Is magic in Elden Ring as OP as people say it is

Remember when Stars of Ruin wasn’t ruined? I remember.

Inb4 “you stars of ruin fags and rivers of blood fags were killing pvp reeeeee”

0 people care about pvp lol

The only right kind of PvP is the natural kind. Let people come to YOU. Fuck invasions. I hate looking like a living sack of coagulated period blood.

Same as every other FromSoftware game

Like 4 to 5 good spells worth using

80 other meme tier or absolute dogshit spells you should avoid like the plague

No one cares either way.

Magic is so busted that even carian slicer is just a melee build with much better dps than most weapons in the game.

80 other meme tier or absolute dogshit spells you should avoid like the plague

This wouldn’t be the case had casters not taking back seat in these games. If Mike Zaki had his way, there would be no pure casters at all, like in Bloodborne. He likes his magic martials more than his mages.

Like, I always thought it was hilarious stunning / knocking down a player with magic momentarily makes them immune to magic spam.

eldritch cosmic horrors killed by poking them with a stick

miquella becomes a literal god and all he does is shoot yellow sparkles at you

No, it's really not.

Since when was Stars of Ruin anything but trash?

Full INT with a bunch of infused melee weapons is one of the best builds in ER period, yes. Both pve and pvp. Although for pve it kinda loses to blasphemous blade in sustainability.

This Thing landed before the Beast
I wonder what they think of each other

It wasn’t trash before the nerf. It had the best tracking in the game. Now the spell below it (Star Shower) has better tracking and it sucks.

Kind of, not really. You have to get good at dodging and playing very differently. The nuke spells don't stay on target as well as you'd think. It's just different. I found my glass canon build to be more challenging than a tank melee run.

I found my glass canon build to be more challenging than a tank melee run.

You’re supposed to pop a summon

meteor staff + rock sling or whatever is pretty great. hit all 3 rocks and it knocks chunks off of boss health

glass canon

You can easily have 60 vigor, 38 mind and 80 INT before even hitting the DLC. It's very easy to have an HP pool comparable to melee characters as a mage

Depends how you play and if your build matches your playing style. You can make everything OP in this game, there's no secret to being OP, you just have to git gud.

You shouldn’t need 60 vigor as a pure caster, is the thing.

Yeah, but my magic run was my first and I ran through it pretty fast. By the end I could take two hits, maybe. I didn't invest a ton of time.

No build needs 60 vigor.

I threw rocks, moons, and the basic ass glint shard comet w.e the whole game, lol.

HE HAS AN OVERSIZED SWORD AND THE STRONGEST SPELL KNOWN TO MAN

The forced hybridization shit is what ruins these games for me. Miyazaki loves his martial wizards a bit TOO much. It’s like he has a Gandalf or Odin obsession or something. He thinks all wizards should be mace wielders. Christ, even Big Hat Logan uses a shield in DS1.

Yeah, this right here. This webm is just silly looking. Why are you even using a sword?

In this game ALL characters need 60 vigor. I'd argue if you go ng+ and higher, once you hit softcaps for your build you should dump 40 more points into vigor for extra 200 HP, it's by far the biggest game changer in ng+ and beyond.

You are really trying to push this narrative hard lol.

In this game ALL characters need 60 vigor.

lol 52 is the sweetspot. 8 more points into another stat can change the game immensely, especially if you put those 8 points into endurance.

Malenia and Rellana evade the comet, you're full of shit

Endurance is one of the biggest dump stats in ER given how cheap the rolling is. At worst you need enough to hit 50 poise for pve.

……..”Push”? You do realize that 99.99% of the enemies in this game are magic using martials, right? Pure casters are sourced to a single group that only wear different hats.

I am sometimes shocked by how blind you guys are. Never mind the lore illiteracy.

why are invaders so bad at the game?

yes and no, you can one shot bosses but it requires preparation

Or you can just slang spells from afar and not get hit. It's fun being made of glass. Just gotta position and move well.

LOL, you need to pop a summon, retard. If you’re a glass canon who doesn’t pop a tank ash, you’re an idiot. Even Rennala in her fight is using ash summons.

You can up your spell damage by like 100% by stacking various talismans and hats and spells. Absolute destruction.

I actually killed Rellana before she did her two boob moons crap.

Poise doesn't really matter to me as much as the increases to the defense stats. I think it is 26 endurance that puts you at 72.0 equip load that lets you wear some pretty heavy armors combinations. Depends on how heavy your weapon choices are though.
Cool narrative bro.

you need to pop a summon

do not reply to me again

fauxfans always cry when people tell them how to play to their build's strengths.
It always makes me chuckle.

I don’t like how Azur and Lusat’s armor aren’t heavy and don’t give the player a lot more defense, considering you can’t do anything to their npcs.

Forget glass cannon. Imagine a slow walking diamond cannon. Like the heavy armor Seath’s Channelers use in DS1.

it's really rarely brought up how most of the magic you get is dogshit with few op bits here and there.

Low IQ wizard players spotted. What sort of cloth wearer gets up and close to the fucking dragon? Again, even Rennala is using summons.

Just say you’re been brain rotted by the “you didn’t beat the game” memes. Did you know Miyazaki said he abuses every option in the game when he plays at all?

They are the heaviest robes in the game anon. Lusat's armor pairs with the crucible knight armor for a reason.

wow, you take criticism very poorly lol.

Not. Heavy. Enough. Not. Enough. Armor.

Because again. Nothing you do to Azur or Lusat does anything. They are literally diamond.

It trivializes every boss in the ga-AACCKK

I get very angry whenever I confront ill logic, yes.

I beat the game as a wizard without using summons. It's just not very fun. You just put up glint blades and roll around a lot. Which is easier than melee as you don't need to be near the boss, just focusing on dodging.

Its still a wizard robe at the end of the day anon. Wear armor instead of robes if you want armor. It is a simple concept.

You being mad is fine anon. It only affects you not me.

No. Cast time is too long and all bosses have scripted reactions on cast initial frames. This game is about weaponart spam.

It’s not fun because it doesn’t let you plan or think, like an actual wizard should, in the heat of combat. You summon ashes to tank as you setup your magic spam.

I’m not sure why so many people think being a wizard is just like being a warrior who doesn’t think and just slashes.

Nah. You shouldn’t be taking any damage wearing their former bodies. The game should just root you to the spot or something.

It's a shame fishbowlhead has so much clipping, it looks cool.

And that's the best spell in the game. It's fast, it has huge damage and costs almost no mana. That indicates how dogshit "classic" spellcasting is.

characters are immune to damage

their bodies you wear aren’t immune to damage

Doesn’t add up

Amazing how low level spells are more efficient than the high level spells. These games suck at magic. It just looks cool. That’s basically it.

Rennala’s moon should make you immune to damage momentarily, but it doesn’t.

I'm not too happy with the outfit I ended up making because of that exact reasoning. It is hard to find anything it looks good with if you want to mix and match armors like I do.
Same with Sellen's head but I like the outfit I made with her head I use it a lot.

Why do you level any stats at all if beating the game at base level is possible?

Reminder that pumping into Intelligence AND Mind is the way to go.

spellswords are cool, fuck off

That was the case since DS1 lol. Island monkeys can't into magic. They just don't know how to make it fun, that's why all their action games are about ooga booga melee fights.

Vigor is the skill stat. If you’re skilled, you don’t need to worry about health/damage.

This feels like cheating

Elden Ring is so fucking retarded with its cosmological prioritizing.

Staring at the moon is more intelligent than staring into deep space? Really? REALLY??? Is Miyazaki a Sailor Moon Uber femininity fag or something?

Were they even THINKING about any of this?

misunderstanding basic lore this hard

not a good sign

They are, but not when they’re everywhere and shoved down your throat, or are better than the actual wizards.

Wouldn't all that just make it easier? I threw lots of cold moons without issue.

depends on if the boss feels like being a drooling retard or not

go in and try to use meme azur beam build

boss immediately side jumps and casually walks up to slap my ass while i'm beaming

next run in after choking and falling for the simple 'i delayed my attack lol' for the 100000th time

do the exact same thing

boss casually walks towards me through the beam and dies

it's just random as fuck

The lore literally says the moon is shit compared to deep space lul Miyazaki is just a cringe feminist. Like wiccans and neo pagans that think the moon is equal to the sun. The academy was clearly a men’s club too before Rennala changed shit.

This entire game is feminist up the ass in fact.

The only way to go is a battle mage or Paladin to make it fun.
Hybrid builds are where it's at, even at softcaps they're strong enough to beat the game and by newgame+ they're downright broken

This is pretty true.

trying this hard

oh dear

The full moons aren’t actually efficient, they’re meant to be openers. Spamming Comet does *significantly* more damage due to how slow the moons are. They just chain better.

Both me and my buddy from these webms are experienced invaders from early DS1 days. Even a competent invader gets shit stomped, i think we only lost like 3-4 times in several taunters tongue runs.

Elden Ring is a bunch of vague concepts that sound cool put in a fantasy world for world building with no elaboration whatsoever, most was not used and wont be used in depth

roleplaying as a carian knight and using the glintblade spells is infinitely more fun and entertaining anyways

The female variants of enemies are legit stronger than the male variants. Cope.

Elden Ring is tranny/fem, while Sekiro is manly/masc. This is just how it is.

she's still trying

kek bronies are hopeless.

I did moons, rocks, comets. Ez enough. Just a lot of rolling and running, lol. Endless kite. I think rocks were most useful to me. Love me some purple rocks.

It's probably because the moon is implied to be an intelligent patron, selective about who gets to behold it. All sorcery is alive, or acts like a living, seeking form of life, in-general, however, and npcs like Sellen and Ymir even say as much. The Eternal Darkness sorcery attracts spells like flies. Azur's signature sorcery might actually be more quality than Rennala's own, since it takes up three spell slots—and there are only 3 three slot spells in the game, DLC included. I really don’t think stat costs are a foolproof method of assessing prestige, and it’s like assuming Bayle is above the dragon lord because his spell costs more. Gravity spells are also the most massive, or obnoxiously potent, compared to spells above it. Astel’s Meteorite puts Rellana’s Twin Moons to shame … lol … the latter couldntake out a small village, the former literally buried a continental civilization. It is the true rain of destruction. The moons are just… special… and they aren’t at all foundational the way the primeval is.

Hybrid builds are dogshit too. There is no synergy or combos in hybrid playstyle.

I did same strat but spamming adula's moonblade.

But I have a PENIS. The overwhelming feminism is just grating, anon. This world is legit built on femininity. So many vagina metaphors…

she's still kvetching

oy vey

I was too scared to get close/sucked with it. 1 or 2 hits would do me in. Those stupid homing missle shrimp gave me more trouble than anything, during my magic run.

the moon is implied to be an intelligent patron

I don’t know why people think Rennala > Azur/Lusat when their staves actually end up becoming better than her’s at high Int + Mind, especially when used together.

Do people actually complain about costs of spells? I very rarely do after getting to 60 Mind. Flasks constantly refill.

Is this the mighty boosh?

What do you even do in this situation?

You disengage the fuck out and seek an ambush or a gravity kill. But a minmaxed melee + caster is nearly impossible to win against as melee invader unless they fuck up big time.

The difference between Rennala and Lusat in terms of damage is like 15% but for an insane FP cost difference. Blue flask restoration caps at 38 mind.
If you go to NG+ and beyond, it's far better to shoot for 80 80 int fai and use prince of death staff with even higher spell buff than Lusat

Yeah, even when people jury rig combos, FromSoftware makes it impossible to perform. My biggest issue with spells is that we still do not have a hot key or spell keybinds. Cycling through spells 10 plus years later is still retarded
I do not rike it

yes

Though Count Ymir instructed Rellana in the sorcerous arts, he abandoned his allegiance to the moon. "It was merely the closest of the celestial bodies. Nothing more."

yeah the spell cycling and not having a way to go backwards really sucks dong

oops i missed my spell, guess i'll just cycle the whole thin- oops missed it again, haha, it's my own fault might as well cycle agai- oop, there it goes again, haha

And the spell that creates a microcosm of a miniature universe only costs 42 int

BRAVO MIYAZAKI

It's another Jeremy Eric thread

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Experienced invaders

Those panic rolls

Faith is for fags. Pure Int is for chads.

Stats have no impact on lore.

honestly the whole gods+stars+cosmos bullshit really triggered me in the wrong way
and of course typical fromsoft storytelling means there are no concrete answers

The moon literally has a black hole surrounded by microcosms in it. Nothing can say what it really is.

The moon literally has a black hole surrounded by microcosms in it

Schizo. The dark moon attracts stars while the full moon repels them. This is what they were originally going for. The dark moon is actually being reformed in Ranni’s ending.

ER light rolling is safe as fuck, it only becomes an issue if the opponent hard pressures you with a good roll catching weapon like pata.

It should still take more brainpower to understand deep space than the fucking moon.

i myself am an enjoyer of the less good, but spectacle spell.
That big holy attack spell, elden star, is such a massive waste of mp.
Like a giant "Fuck you look how big my mana bar is"

If you hold down the cycle button it will go back to the first spell you slotted. This is about it, though.

Lol, I forgot that show existed. Ty.

Yeah? Well they should.

Going back to ER after Wo Long was fucking painful in that regard

42 is the answer.

Moonlight is the messenger of love!

Rellana is more powerful than Rennala right?

Probably. Rennala was more of a scholar I think. Although changes are she could just nuke Rellana with some advanced magic if she didn't have brain damage at the moment.

“Yey. Gurrrlll power! The moon is female! :))”

Miyazaki would probably get along with those cringe Wiccan types.

No. Rellana’s and Ranni’s spells both make it clear that they needed Rennala there for them. Ranni and Rellana didn’t find their moons alone.
Being a scholar in the universe gives you the ability to shoot lasers. I’m not sure if it means you’re weaker than others. In fact if anything it should mean the opposite.

Please stop trying to do this to yourself.

the price we pay for anonymity

“Like, zomg, her spell is 2 points higher, that means she is SOOOO much better!”

I hate Rellana as a character so fucking much.

It's mostly because of how fucked the defense system is ever since DS3. It exists to make small hits be smaller, and keep big hits big. So all the multi-hit multi-projectile spells are automatically dogshit until you pump their stats up to an absurd level.

Probably not.

She has two moons, not one moon, so she is double as strong.

this

I hate how they gave us a third fucking moon spell instead of some new cool cosmic shit

Guess you missed Ymir and Metyr entirely.

I wanted a big ass cosmic spell, anon. Not some pathetic petty cosmic spell. Where’s my Lasting Microcosm? I want a spell that’s deep space and costs more than the fucking moon. Fuck you.

Metyr should have dropped a spell. Not another stupid finger bonker.

I like the teleport spell but it's kinda useless in pve.

I killed Radahn with 3 casts of Impenetrable Thorns before it got nerfed so yes I'd say that's really broken

Where’s my Lasting Microcosm

Now that I think about it. A spell that summons a lingering microcosm you can run around, or into, for defense (also constant ticking damage) would have been cool.

Too bad Miyazaki sucks at spell making.

I don't think any of the spells in this game were playtested before release lmao.

Unless you do some cheese strat like that big laser thing not really.
Probably easier than melee for some bosses because you can keep distance but not that big of a deal.

They always do the spells at the very last second. Always. Their goals have always been martialism first, magic third.

Ask yourself why there’s only one unique pure caster boss in the entire game.

There are more than 1

The dlc was crazy like half the spells just sucked complete dick and did double digit damage meanwhile a couple spells would just annihilate everything. I'm guessing fs justdoesn't have the time to playtest shit until people are complaining about it.

crucible thorns was meh

crucible bloom sucks

rain of fire sucks

divine feathers sucks

spira sucks

that floating skull spell sucks

microcosm was meh

mantle of thorns is a joke

rings of spectral light is meh

cherishing fingers is almost pointless

miriams vanishing is only useful in pvp because it breaks lock on

furious blade of ansbach was awful and now its still bad but usable

minor erdtree COSTS SEVENTY TWO FAITH for what is essentially just another warming stone

roar of rugalea was god awful, but got buffed into actually very good

bayle's flame lightning isn't really worth the animation time

bayle's tyranny is actually decent but doesn't hit for as many times as it should for some reason

rotten butterflies sucked but now its okay if you have summons taking aggro

midra's flame of frenzy was awful and is still bad

divine beast tornado was awful and got buffed into a decent state

meanwhile

gravitational missile and impenetrable thorns were insane at the start

And the basegame felt like this too. Half the weapon classes sucked fucking nigger dick at release for like a year meanwhile moonveil was already in a godtier state.

It's like they have ten billion dudes each independently balancing weapons but nobody plays the game

And it does, because stats have no impact on lore

Can't go down the dragon path without the required faith or arcane.

I hate how we don’t get access to those ricocheting sorceries the catacombs wizards use. What the hell. They look so fun it’s not fair. Actually, a lot of enemies in the base game are using projectiles the player doesn’t get access to. Which sucks. I wanted those singular death skull sorceries to go along with a death magic builds—but noooo. Those poison mages use a similar poison themed projectile.

I wanted those singular death skull sorceries to go along with a death magic builds—but noooo.

It is on a tool.

The black and white ones? The black and gold ones are different.

I don’t like how they nearly cookie cut the spells this DLC.

14 new sorceries
28 new incantations (14 + 14 because incantations are a mix of miracles and pyromancies)

Finger sorceries were originally meant to be int + arc too, but they scrapped that due to lacking variety.

They were lazy.

Its all the same shit anon. If you want a single projectile spoopy spell it is linked to a tool already in the game.

really wish we got those black flame incants the monks use and there wasnt any new black flame stuff in the dlc either

really wish we got those black flame incants the monks use

We do.

I remember even in the base game I was looking at the way Juno moves and thinking "why don't they give melee this sort of mobility?"
It would've made consort radhan fight at least playable.

"Full INT"

Uses Vortex of Putrescence

It’s from Gideon right?

Pre-dlc? Probably. Post-dlc it's pretty bad outside of maybe broken ass night sorcery. Bosses are just too aggressive now, and rolling is more of a crapshoot than ever.

gankfagging

Opinion safely discarded

He has 1 but most of them come from killing the monks themselves. Only move we don't get is the skinny guy's big explosion.

So the anon saying he wants their spells didn't even kill 1 of them in his playthrough?

Spiral Shard wrecks big bosses

they use a black catch flame and also like some black flame slash that we dont get

FTH is better.

No they don't.
GSGS has the blackflame slash built in. Anon simply didn't play the game enough so he missed all the spells and functionality they had.

Is there like a data limit they had in mind or something? I’m just going by what said, since the 14 + 14 + 14 thing is weird and suspiciously even.

Why is it so neat? They could have easily put a lot more spells in the game. Easily.

Thorn sorcerers have a thorn swipe that would have been nice for faith sorcery.

um ackchyually you CAN get that spell…

Okay now what about the dozens of ones we can’t get

I think you got me confused I'm talking about pic related not the nobles.

Ahhhh that is my mistake then. I getcha now my bad.
You ever use their mace? That R2 is funny as fuck.

ROOTIN' TOOTIN' TIME BOYOS

just admit that you panic rolled anon, you're still good at the game

Weaker than ailment builds or, the ultimate, greatshield fat build.

I never noticed before that they have beards

Why do people care about the lore in any of these games?
I get that DS1's storytelling was novel, but the plot of these games are just the same things over and over again.

DS1's storytelling was novel

It was arguably just as shit

That's just INT with fai tax.

No, status is OP as fuck.

but the plot of these games are just the same things over and over again.

They do this on purpose. Miyazaki is an idea man. He repeats themes and ideas in all of his games. The wide brimmed big hat transcends any singular game.

No. jump attacks are better than any magic in the game

The wide brimmed big hat transcends any singular game.

Big Hat Ranni :3

I thought int was garbage until i got the stone throwing spell and the night shard/night comet.
These spells make int builds viable against enemies that resist magic and against all the input reading spin to win ADHD enemies.

Enemies that dodge are easily dealt with by using

A) Invisible-night spells
B) Tracking spells
C) AoE spells

It's really good. To me, and I only care about how I feel.

I don’t know why people think Rennala > Azur/Lusat

Do they? Azur and Lusat are one of the few “no you can’t kill them” characters you come across. They’re above you. Rennala is still 100% human. Azur and Lusat are much more “evolved” than her.

Magic is strong, but I wouldn't call it overpowered.

For deleting bosses, the strongest ash of wars are better than any spells or incantations.

Is magic in Elden Ring as OP as people say it is

i once tried to see if night comet is as brainless bullshit as i heard. never used it again and went back to the fun melee spells

yes, that's what i'm using, night shard and night comet

This is why I hate health bars. It feels so artificial as fuck.

It's unlike any lore in any other game because it feels like a puzzle that you solve over the course of playing the game, when you make progress you get new item descriptions which act as new pieces to the puzzle.

It’s not a puzzle. I bet you not even Miyazaki gives a fuck about the answers.

I don't really give a shit if there's "one true meaning" that the writer had in mind, speculating about the lore while I played was half the fun for me.

Mechanically? Yeah, certain spells break the game. There's a lot of great ranged options and INT builds are flexible enough in their cheese, though if you wanted buffs and support that's Faith's job
If you're talking about lore I actually think ER mages are pussies. Nothing they do is impressive and none of their research seems worth it

In PVE yes. In 1v1 pvp, not really. Even in PVE, i wouldn't really say magic is op. It's just boring. You don't have to engage with enemies so much as you just have to make sure they're never close enough to you to hit you. I will say the DLC seems to specifically fuck magic users with how aggressive enemies and bosses are.

Yes. Carian slicer alone can carry you through the whole game.

The big spells are mostly just there to make your fights look cooler if you're good enough with melee and smaller stuff. Like the other anon said, you can use Elden Stars and it's basically a passive so you use it and go back to playing the game with your int-scaling weapon.

speculating about the lore while I played was half the fun for me.

It’s not really fun when 3/4 of the fanbase has media illiteracy.

*faith
Forgot. Both apply though
Carian's main advantage was their knowledge of how the world really worked.

Everything is OP in Elden Ring.
Except Deathblight. That shit's ass.

If you're talking about lore I actually think ER mages are pussies. Nothing they do is impressive and none of their research seems worth it

Are you being retarded on purpose
They literally btfo Leyndel, *twice*
Carians are retarded and anti-science, tho

Isn't this still meh besides keeping stagger bar up which other stuff do better

It’s been buffed. It’s now arguably better than founding rain of stars, which is legit bullshit since it takes up two slots.

How does the opinions of the fanbase affect my personal playthrough of a singleplayer game?

killed

It's still alive, it teleports out when you beat it up.
That got buffed into something decent.

That was before Renalla got mindbroke by the cock. Since then the college has done nothing, they sequestered themselves from the world and do nothing all day

That spell is like the anti-warming stone.
It is good for casting over yourself and forcing an engagement in the hellfire.

Cool spell, however:

Because retards ruin everything

Since then the college has done nothing, they sequestered themselves from the world and do nothing all day

You’re not paying attention to what’s going on are you? They literally regressed back into their primeval roots, and they placed the old drapes back over the main seat in the debate hall. They are literally shoving crystals to their faces.

That Rennala has no crown of her own makes me think this too……….

How do retards ruin my personal playthrough of a singlerplayer game?

The academy locked her up its obvious they took her power seat from her in reality.
Cuckoo knights aren't a coincidence - cuckoos go into other nests and kick out the eggs of the bird that lives there.

lol, owned

And here I was just making cuck jokes at their expense

Cuck jokes 100% apply to her and her family in lore. It is kind of funny.

Frankly in the DLC I found the opposite was true. I had very few opportunities to use spells and found myself falling back on quicker sword strikes and guard counters.

Cuckoo birds actually relate to the egg that is the sorcerer’s soul, taking over host bodies.

A portion of the academy is still pro-Rennala, too.

A portion of the academy is still pro-Rennala, too.

The Lazuli still weird me out

No. Magic peaks early. Most of the people who think magic is OP have only played/seen early game mages, or very specific setups like the Comet Azur Mogh one which doesn't work on most bosses. Late game it gets a lot harder because of how fucking slow magic is even at 80 DEX (or equivalent), meanwhile enemies get a lot faster and more aggressive.

Magic has always been overpowered

I think castspeed maxes out at 70 DEX but the rest is spot on.

Yes magic is always broken in souls games. DS1 had Dark Bead which could literally oneshot most bosses, it functioned as a sort of shotgun effect. I came across a guy on youtube who was trying to oneshot every boss in Elden Ring, and part of the rules were that he couldnt use Comet Azur because that makes it too easy.

Makes it too easy to oneshot bosses.

It's boring but powerful like usual although slightly less boring than previous games.
Being able to just Indiana Jones those fucking Horned Warriors in the dlc with comet was very satisfying though.