How do you feel about Steam's two hour refund policy?
How do you feel about Steam's two hour refund policy?
Make your game good enough and it's not an issue.
I've been rejected like two or three times in a row so I stopped banking on it
Not a real issue, thousands of games on Steam that are brainless 10 minutes experiences or simple puzzles that rely on repetition, why aren’t they complaining about the 2 hour policy en masse? Just make a good game.
Its great, I've been saved from wasting money quite a few times. Indie fag devs should make sure their game takes at least 2 hours and thirty minutes to complete knowing the 2 hour window is there. You already have most of the work done, just don't be a lazy cunt and work a little longer.
Steam's two hour refund policy is BASED.
It helps people not get scammed into some garbage like this 1.5 hour game.
it may be unfair to devs who are making more artsy-fartsy games, but games aren't movies, don't try to trick ppl into paying for your trauma therapy
90 minutes game
LMAO
even tetris give you more playtime. Trying to charge people for 90 movie game is scam. \
If your 1.5 hour game is so shit that I will never want to touch it again and it's expensive enough that I am willing to go out of my way to refund it, then you deserve it.
fake news, he didn't quit
What happened in the sweltering summer of '58?
2 hours isn't nearly enough to discover whether a game is worth playing or has unfixable technical issues.
Why is your game less than 2 hours long with zero replay value?
fpbp
It's like these people exist exclusively to disappoint.
Castlevania 1 is 30 minutes long
Alien Soldier is 40 minutes long
If they were on Steam (standalone I mean) they wouldn't get refunded because they're super fun and replayable. Make a short game but make it like CV1 or Alien Soldier and you have no problem.
If a game can be fully experienced within 2 hours and has 0 replayability then it deserves it.
make a game not worth keeping
wonder why people decide not to keep it
I think it's good for the consumer and bad for the developer. I have people refund after beating a game and tell me to my face it was because they could even if they only experienced 10% of it.
this, and price the game accordingly. like make it 8 bucks or something. no one is gonna bother refunding for 8 bucks if the game was at least decent.
i bought mouthwashing and finished it in 80 minutes and i haven’t refunded
guess what, the game is good that’s why
also not being a thieving third worlder monkey helps
this, two hours is way too short for certain games
Refunding something is annoying. This isn't someone "not keeping" your shit, it's someone insulted enough by your shit that they went out of their way to have their money back. And that's what wounds them so.
Quits what?
I think devs should stop being so lazy.
churn out shovelware
wööööö why are you refunding???
this. The following games can all be beaten in under two hours.
Cuphead
Ghosts n' Goblins
Final Fight
Contra
Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2
Golden Axe
Castlevania : Bloodlines
Super Castlevania
Maximum Carnage
Metroid
Megaman 1& 2
Metal Slug
Smash TV
Super Mario Bros 1, 2, and 3
Double Dragon
Splatterhouse 2 & 3
Nah, third worlders will try to scam irrespective of your product quality.
Cuphead
Yes when you're good enough but definitely not on your first go 2bdesu
I think my first playthrough in 2017 took somewhere around 7-12 hours? But now I can beat it under 2 hours ez.
But can YOU beat them in under two hours?
But can YOU beat them in under two hours?
yes, as a matter of fact i can. A few years ago i started recording all of the games i beat, and i pulled all of those games from that list.
Yes when you're good enough but definitely not on your first go 2bdesu
a fair point.
no wonder people refund his shit
only their 14 day policy has affected me so far
but that's because their tag system is viewership-oriented dogshit, and they expect you to be already plugged into a bunch of curators to compensate for its shittyness
FPBP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is he just trying to make streamer bait
it's not enough time
Upload the runs to yt and link them here then.
You won't do it because you are lying
oh nooo, this solo developer only made measly 300k dollars from it, how sad!
Attacked by a group of bulbasaur
Nobody beats any of these games in that time the first time around
What does have to do with subject at hand? If people didn't like Castlevania back then they would just give up and return the game, the fact it was and still is a good game pushed people to keep playing till they beat it, or got a Game Genie to hack it through.
If people didn't like Castlevania back then they would just give up and return the game
So, time to beat wouldn't even matter in the first place?
90 minute game
deserved
fuck off and film a movie instead. Leave video games out of your shit
anon beating those games in under two hours shouldn't be unbelievable to you, they're not that hard
well from that list I can actually 1cc Golden Axe very fast lol
Speed run times are not first-playthrough times and to suggest otherwise is pure delusion. A first playthrough of any of those games will take much, much more than 2 hours.
Is simply playing the game competently speedrunning now?
people dont refund a game if it's good, even if it's short
people refund shitty games
The 2-hour timeframe is simply not good enough. It's fine for games that are something like ~10-30 hours. It's not fine for games that are much shorter or much longer. Demand better, people.
$126,000 is the "predicted" refund frequency.
when the game is 90 minutes, that number is going to be a lot higher than the prediction, because the numbers are purely based on reviewers.
these prediction sites are just not that accurate and developers have shown off how wrong they are.
Don't get me wrong, I think the game probably made at least $100k, but I'm sure the developer is probably seething because he noticed that he could have made $200k if people didn't refund the game.
people dont refund a game if it's good, even if it's short
I don't know about on release, but it's $9 on Steam. I'd rather buy food and watch a movie than "play" what is presumably a glorified PT knockoff.
The story is told as a walking simulator or interactive novel; there are no overt threats, puzzles, or challenges. You simply pass through the locations, examine items, read notes, and gradually piece together the history of the campand the people who worked there.
Lmao, this nigga can eat shit and die. His "game" should be delisted. He probably would've made more money listing somebody "playing" through it on Amazon Prime Video.
maybe don't make shit games and people won't return them.
then he should have padded the play time past two hours with pointless gameplay sequences like every shitty walking simulator does
I don't know why you'd want to work in this industry anyway.
make a woke game
get witch hunted by right wingers
make a game with traditional values and anime
get witch hunted by trannies
make an indie game
it won't even sell 100 copies and you wasted several years of your life making something nobody will ever know or buy.
how about
make good game for your target audience
make money
repeat
>make good game for your target audience
no such thing in modern days
Everyone bitches and moans about every game ever made.
Most people refund games if they feel like the experience was not worth the price.
There's tons of half hour games that people arent refunding because the price matches the content
I remember the Garten of Banban developers doing that, then fuming because even with the extra padding people were STILL casually beating i in less than 2 hours.
Yes, once you've reached a certain level of proficiency. A first playthrough of Portal normally takes ~4 hours. Once you know the game, you cut this down to 2 hours easily. That is still speedrunning, even if done casually, and no rational person would consider Portal a 2-hour game.
no, you're not understanding the point. when a company has a target audience (not EVERYONE), then you tune out people not a part of your core demographic. negative feedback from someone who never had any intention of buying your game? simply ignore it.
It has made more money than it's lost.
I've taken a chance on some games that I would never have touched if there were no chance of a refund.
How do you feel about Steam's two hour refund policy?
I use only GOG. GOG has a 30 days refund policy. Steam is for faggot and trannies only.
make a "game" that has neither length or replayability
people refund it (as in, don't want to keep it)
whoa
It's pointless. That core audience will make up lies about the series becoming woke or something.
you'll never to develop the ability to differentiate between passion and superficial interest.
most people don't replay short games either
sorry, i meant "you need to develop"
I don't give a fuck about most people.
Isaac can be finished in under an hour and people still lay it.
lol what a bitch
If they were on Steam (standalone I mean)
Alien Soldier is
store.steampowered.com
well, until December 6th
who CANT beat Metal Slug in under 2 hours?
maybe if you are very shit it might take you 30 credits, but its hard to take more than 2 hours on the game
Yes? Unless you afk for 1.5 hours.
Maybe... Just maybe... Don't make a 1 and a half hours game?
summer of 58
april 24th
september 7th
father's day
This guy is obsessed with dates of something?
Don't make a 1 and a half hours game?
Not a problem for good devs
this isn't someone not keeping your shit, it's someone insulted enough by your shit that they went out of their way to not keep it
Yes
If you make a sub 2 hour game and expect people to pay money for it it better be very good.
2 hours isn't enough time, you can easily go over 2 hours trying to troubleshoot an unoptimized shitty game before concluding it's impossible and you need a refund.
If it's short and good people won't refund
If it's dogshit, you know what happens
I feel that it depends. For longer games or up to a certain price point the two hours policy works fine. For short games that are below a certain pricepoint I think it would be better if it was tied to finishing the game.
it may be unfair to devs who are making more artsy-fartsy games
they can display their artsy-fartsy games in artsy-fartsy galleries full of fart sniffers, steam is for fun video games
I've only used it once and I'm glad I could.
Absolute walking simulator death.
This is retarded.
People will try and save a buck at all ends.
This doesn't connect to your above post at all.
I love it.
Games shorter than 2 hours aren't games at all, but just a sublimation for a loser wannabe movie director.
Crazy how people confidently say stupid shit like this
if that was the case they would have pirated the game
make it 8 bucks or something
I just looked it up. It's normally $9, and currently on sale for $1.79. I don't know if it cost that back when that article was written, though.
Normies only play garbage, I wouldn't want to (re)play it as well.
If your game is under 2 hours it is not a game, it is a movie
You deserve to get taken advantage of for trying to fool people into playing your movie
Piracy has a minimum internet savvy requirement
get witch hunted by trannies
What they gonna do? Hang themselves on a tree in my backyard?
/thread
14 days is too short, it should be 5 years
Dear esther devs remastered their 1h movie and haven't cried about refunds. It's not a problem.
your scam game gets refunded
wow
they can, but not on your first playthrough ever.
What they gonna do?
Dunno. Ask Nick Fuentes
Who?
fpbp
I currently think that I should have a legal right to refund GGStrive and the DLC I bought because the game has now officially not only censored but outright removed features of the game and have failed to fix their servers that are getting worse and the last balance patch destroying any nuance the gameplay used to have.
I have no intention of playing the game anymore for the rest of my life and I have had content removed from it against my will. I should legally be able to refund this product for at least a portion of the cash back. But I won't.
Good. This industry has too many games.
You should have the right.
It should be longer. I refund if I see frame dips since I'm not playing it like that, don't blame them but it is what it is
Skullgirls and Strive are one of the few games where I think it's legally justifiable to refund the game even after hundreds of hours of playtime. Removing content from a game with patches in and of itself should be illegal honestly.
there are a lot of people in this industry now that don't belong in it and throw a hissyfit when that becomes clear.
I bet a zoomer would refund a Castlevania-like when he kept dying.
Only poorfags replay games
fippy bippy, trannies will seethe about this. Also should be 6 hours.
pay game devs what they're worth
that's why I pirate
I don't care either way since I'm not a retard who pretends spoilers exist.
When I make the rare mistake and buy something I don't like, it's never so bad it's worth refunding because i actually looked into it first.
You only need refunds if you're a lazy retard who lets companies brainwash you into thinking looking into what you're buying to see if you will enjoy it is bad.
Anon, third worlder will not even bother buying a game if they plan to refund it.
t.third world shitter
A game like mouthwashing is a mega hit despite being only 2 hours and being a walking simulator you can easily watch a letsplay of.
This, I'll keep a short game if it's good.
Mouthwashing is 30 minutes of a mediocre torture porn served with 90 minutes of pointless filler gameplay to get it past the 2 hour refund mark
these types of "games" would be better off as short movies, but short movies don't sell
Pro-consumer policy, I am a consumer so it makes me happy.
B-But what about the poor devs??
Not my problem, it's their job to convince me the game is worth their asking price. If they can't, then they shouldn't be in that line of work, it's that simple.