How do we save the JRPG genre?

Metaphor is better than all of those thobeitever.

Demon's > 3 > 2 > 1

soulslop

stagnatedmon

obvious bait

picture is gen 1-3

thinks anyone is talking about nuPokemon slop

Personally for me, gen 3 is the peak, gen 4-5 are the last decent gens.

demons = 1 = 3 = sekiro = ER = AC1-6 = BB < 2
its all the same game

Soulsslop was never good nor will it ever be a rpg. It has no characters, quest lines, choices, nor level scaling. It's just an action game lite in an empty world.

its all the same game

And that's a good thing!

Replace top with Fire Emblem Three Houses or Xenoblade. Sloppy action games don't belong.

great thread

quest lines

it does

choices

It does, in the huge amount of build variety and some quests

level scaling

level scaling is almost always shit, Souls implements it a lot better where there are areas you are meant to tackle earlier or later, but in general, it never feels like you aren't meant to be in an area. The enemies also never feel bullshit or spongy as is often the case for games with leveling systems that aren't highly linear.

Worst example since Fromsslop is just a worse brand of Bethesdaslop.

People will claim this is bait but it's 100% true. 90% of JRPGs are just really bad, they're the Japanese equivalent of movie games, but with worse combat and even more of a slog because they're 60 hours long. There's a reason why the best JRPGs aren't actually JRPGs.

But they totally get good after 50 hours bro just trust me

say what you will about Todd, but at least each elder scrolls has been different disregarding re-releases

westoid inspired action games

JRPGs

It's not even remotely like Bethesda games at all you retarded fucking zoomer. How are you this wrong about two of the most popular franchises? Do they just look the same when you watch them on twitch you fucking mutt?

The appeal of Souls is in the combat and the level design. Bethesda has terrible combat and a big open world, and the appeal is almost entirely in the freedom and interactivity with the world.

Pokemon was always bad
I'm tired of pretending otherwise out of nostalgia.

His games are bug fests but at least they offer more than the same repeated emptiness of Fromsloppa. Quest design in Fromslop is fucking nonexistent.

These are the normieslop people who hate JRPGs play

I vouch to put DMC 3 there as a JRPG.

bugs in games is a funny thing.
on one hand they can be frustrating and gamebreaking, on the other they're funny and bordering on fun-enabling.
Toddlikes manages to get a mix of both, easily bandaided with a mod or console command

Choices and interactivity is what matters most in RPGs something souls really lacks. They're not RPGs. Something like combat is secondary.

you again? we've been through this already, V rising is NOT an ARPG, its a survival crafter

Holy shit, FromSoft has actually buckbroke this entire board. Anon Babble went from considering Souls games masterpieces and them dominating top 10 of all time lists a decade ago to now universally reviling them, I guess because... they're popular now or something?

FromSoft won. Larian won. Cry and die mad about it.

17 games

trinity

First, you need to actually go play more than the lowest-common-denominator of JRPGs before you ask that question.

based pic
ttyd, bloodborne and hgss are the pinnacle of the genre

excel spreadsheet simulator

wow… so ‘“fun”. you really showed us.

bait

Pokemon is a one game

You're talking about CRPGs. If choices and interactivity is the hill you are going to die on, then almost no JRPGs would qualify under that criteraia, same with something like Witcher 3.

Reality is that sense of adventure, exploration, freedom, intricately designed world, open-ended combat are what makes an RPG to most people. Zelda was actually even considered an RPG to most all the way up to and including the N64 games. Souls not only has that, but also tons of traditional RPG elements like stats, leveling, different builds, classes, itemization, etc. It's unquestionably an RPG, it just has a strong focus on exceptionally done combat.

You would know what you said isn't true if you actually played a JRPG instead of listening to memes and fake narratives manufactured by people who don't like JRPGs and feel that the genre somehow needs a savior.
Same shit you see when people complain about shmups being "too short" or rating God Hand 3/10.

They were always shit and Demon's Souls flopped hard. Journalists and ecelebs just hyped them up and began the biggest astroturf operation in gaming.

Replace fromslop with monster hunter, and replace pokemon with Dragon quest

Expedition 33 trannies are insufferable lot of shills besides the Ubishit ones.

gay little chibi icons in a row

select attack from spreadsheet list

watch 30 seconds of animations play out

I could not imagine a more gay and boring game

roll slop

jrpg

Tendie shit

jrpg

Pokemon

still stucked on Dragons Quest 1 system

Pokemon games are fucking garbage only manchildren love that shit

Fromshovelwareslop

good JRPG

You fucking casuals have no taste.

Idk why but I really like the ffx combat system. The ui is very good, the mechanics all work exactly like you’d want a turn based system to function. Without any weird gimmicks almost except for a few qte events with wakkas special move or whatever. The pacing of the game is also very good, I enjoy it all the way through. I could probably play that game a ton more without being bored. It could be improved with more character customization options, i really like the path of exile approach to status ailments and immunities and think it would translate really well to a more item and spell oriented jrpg. But maybe not I dunno, im hesitant to touch ffx at all just because of how much better it is than every other jrpg by a mile. I hate character specific items I guess id like to put whatever weapon on yuna that I want. The poz in ffx also isnt as bad as usual. So yuna really means you nah, because you dont get to date a woman. But Rikku is named after reincarnation, so you can play her again in ffx for an eternity in a simulated hell where a monster has captured your soul and forces you to look at pictures of sex and stress about eating enough food.

says the fatlus/squaretroon

t.died during the tutorial of Etrian Odyssey 2

Souls games aren't RPGs. They're action games with lock on.

le most hardcore RPG series of all time is actually le casual!!

Shut the fuck up you retarded shitter. Just blurting out nonsense with no basis in reality. This level of cognitive dissonance is really just insane to me. If Souls hadn't blown up in a major way, it would absolutely be remembered as one of the hardest and most unforgiving games of all time.

Even to this day, there is not a single game that is harder on its default difficulty just to beat and see the credits. Even comparing Souls to the hardest games on their hardest difficulties, there is *still* almost nothing out there harder. Literally just NG2 on MNM (the hardest action game in existence), is all I can think of. Even something like DMD with S-ranks is way easier, you would need to be talking DMD SS-ranks or BP all characters for the difficulty to even be comparable. Then you consider all the insane speedruns/challenge runs in Souls like SL1, no roll, no upgrading, no damage, the game is just the deepest rabbit hole you can imagine in terms of difficulty and replayability. Just such gold standard timeless design fundamentals.

Post your clears so I can laugh at you.

my spreadsheet simulator is so high skill!!

makes me lol every time
no wonder you hate souls, you can’t hide behind a menu in them

With more J'RPGs

"Pokemon was always bad" posters never touched competitive once in their life and it shows.

I like how everybody ITT can agree that PM64 is the fucking bomb

they're barely action games, they're exploration games with a shallow action element.
thats why they're exciting on your first playthrough.

Souls games are painfully American/westoid so they're WRPGs.

notice how the two proper traditional jrpgs just happen to be made by nintendo

I slightly prefer SMRPG

PokemonShowdown is so great.

Also people who shit on Pokemon really need to play contemporary NES/SNES JRPGs and realize how much better Pokemon is, at least in terms of everything except story/writing.

competitive Pokemon

lmfao this thread

you can't do le ebic air juggles on retarded training dummies, so the games are shallow

meanwhile....

single enemy slowly lumbers towards you

is one inch from you, doesn't attack

juggle him in the air with flashy animations while he just sits there helpless like a training dummy

after 20 seconds of whaling into him, the damage sponge training dummy is finally dead

during this time, the other training dummy enemies have only slowly lumbered five feet closer

DMC is such a fucking piece of shit series.

How about you fix your dogshit niggers infested woke game first muttards?

Don’t bother.
DMCissies have been poisoning the well in regards to action game discussion since forever. You will never get them to realize their shit ass games are often shallower than the ones they constantly cry about.

Take that WRPGsloppa from the top and replace it with Dragon's Dogma or Octopath Traveler.

meanwhile

undead hollow approaches

hold r2

his attack bounces off

spam r1

repeat
heres a boss scenario

see wind up

press circle at the right time

follow with r1 spam

repeat

Dead Space 2?
Really???
Did Anon Babble play the same game?
Dead Space fucking 2??

12 to 36 hours is the optimal length for a jrpg

dragqueen’s dogfart

the epitome of westaboo sloppa albeit

Make them shorter. Get rid of difficulty spikes that require doing side content to progress through the main story.
I don't see how anyone can defend Persona 5's length. That game was incredibly boring.

Stop merging RPGs with other genres. I don't want action RPGs, rhythm RPGs or whatever other genre you can just slap some stats and abilities on. RPGs should be RPGS and should be just insane amounts of stat/gear/ability/class stuff. No action input or any other form of gameplay style beyond the idea of figuring out the best combination to solve the problem in the game.
People that are good at RPGs don't want to lose because they fucked up buttons. People good at action games don't want to lose because they're sword is a low level. Keep them separate. At least for the gameplay

Souls is your hitbox vs. theirs in open, 3D space with free flow movement. You can dodge the attacks any way you want, you can put your weapon anywhere you want, it's just about getting your hitbox to line up with theirs. Enemies are aggressive and will independently attack and overwhelm you. Actions actually have commitment and you can't just cancel out of them with an instant parry or i-frame dodge/jump.

Most action games are fundamentally different as they are about magnetized attacks, both for you and your enemies, movement and positioning matter very little, enemies will circle around you patiently waiting their turn to attack, and you can instantly cancel out of almost any action with a contextual parry some instant i-frame dodge/jump.

Add onto that a massive variety of well-designed enemies and bosses that are aggressive and pose unique dangers with large movesets, incredible level design packed to the brim with secrets, hidden paths, and shortcuts, a generous amount of build variety and playstyles, RPG mechanics that are actually balanced and satisfying and don't lead to spongy enemies or one-shot kills, and a co-op/PvP system, and it's a no-brainer why Souls is as big as it is.

so you want dragon quest?

Get rid of the diet Bethesda products rollfests and replace them with actual Nippon games.

No, 40-50

thats a whole lot of words for saying r1+roll spam

Yes

Yes. Dragon Quest is the creator and grandfather of this genre. It is the game that defined JRPGs.

SOULSBORNES AREN'T JRPGS YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD

based, i remember trying one of the old DQ years ago, it really nailed the sense of adventure and progression without becoming to absurd.
something final fantasy failed imo

retards complain about Souls being "rollslop"

despite almost everyone playing through Demon's, Dark 1, and Dark 2 with heavy armor, shields, and fatrolling

despite rolls not even really being a prevalent playstyle until Dark Souls 3

even then, you still have to carefully time your rolls, have limited i-frames, carefully consider positioning, and it's just one tool in your toolbox

MEANWHILE....

DMC has always had a spammable jump that gives full i-frames to apex

attacks have zero commitment and can just be jumped out of at any time

gives you barely any lateral movement whatsoever, is just basically just a "take no damage" button

almost all the fights in the game are balanced around this jumpslop spamming

samefag zoomer retard. No one with an IQ over 70 who has played both series would ever reach that conclusion.

almost everyone playing through Demon's, Dark 1, and Dark 2 with heavy armor, shields, and fatrolling

no one did this.
dark souls 3 is the worst one due to how generous the i-frames are and how little your build matters.

try playing on dante must die to see how well your statement holds up

n-no, my bethesda-lite rollslop is high skill actually

loving this fromdrone total meltdown

There is a mode that you only get 3 saves the entire game on the hardest difficulty.

Character action games are dead. Just accept it with grace and come to terms with the fact that progression systems and pseudo RPG elements are the new meta.

poketards...

What's amusing is that people lose their shit when you show them a quality JRPG that did the same thing, and countless other normalfag-defeating design choices.

Demons, DS1, and DS2 are 3d Dungeon Crawlers with a Zelda combat system instead of being turnbased or doing the grid dance.
Bloodbone cause a paradigm shit in design which all the games have followed since to applying more focus on the action part and less on the Dungeon Crawler Roots.

Healslop

no one did this.

Yes, they fucking did, you fucking zoomer. I played these games extensively around launch and 100%'ed them. Aside from the specific exploit of the DWGR, which most people didn't know about because they played at near full encumbrance, rolling was almost a complete nonfactor in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, and even in Dark Souls 2 it was usually only mentioned in the context of ADP.

try playing on dante must die to see how well your statement holds up

Dude, I have beaten DMD with S-ranks (not SS-ranks which is way harder), as well as BP all characters. Souls games are still harder, again, unless you are comparing specifically to DMD SS-ranks or BP all characters. But if you're putting self-imposed challenges and qualifiers in, then Souls challenge runs absolutely mog anything you can do in any DMC game in terms of difficulty, and it's not even close.

but bloodborne is just dark souls with more aggressive r1 spam and a struggling 20fps

Sure, you can heal as much as you want during any given turn with no restrictions, but if you're playing poorly enough that this is a regular occurrence for you then no amount of healing is going to save you once you've run out of cash.

Yes, they fucking did

you did, and thats why you think they're harder.
once you unequip all armor and rely on the very generous iframes, each and every miyazakislop game becomes a breeze.

only jrpgs players can look at a turn based and an action game and think theyre the same genre

You can date this image to before sseth's god hand video by the lack of god hand. Anon Babble really are sheep lmao

Not at all. BB absolutely destroyed the identity of the games and was the worst Souls game by a country mile

30fps with massive input lag is totally unacceptable in a fast-paced action RPG

huge lack of item variety

huge lack of build variety

no shields and a complete lack of armor and weapon variety

huge lack of magic/pyro/sorc/miracle variety

lack of environmental variety. Way too many dark, dank, gothic labyrinths

PvP is practically nonexistent

items go up in price way too fast and way too high. Killing a boss midgame gives you enough blood echoes for a measly 2 (TWO) sedatives

can't activate lamps as a checkpoint or use it to respawn enemies

have to fast travel twice instead of just being able to fast travel directly from lamp to lamp

a lot of shortcuts still require 2-3+ minutes of continuous sprinting to get to the boss (this was acceptable when the focus was primarily on level design, and the bosses are more puzzle/Zelda-like, but BB has started to become more bossrush focused)

some cheap and just overall annoying mechanics (frenzy ohkoes you unless you have 30+ vit and full health, and even with tons of frenzy res, you have to spam sedatives)

a lot of bosses are just too weak and underwhelming

sometimes killing a boss (amelia, BSB, etc.) arbitrarily opens a door halfway across the world with absolutely no indication that a pathway was opened at all, let alone where

multiple enemies are reused multiple times with just higher HP pools. Overall lack of enemy variety as well

chromatic aberration

chalice dungeons are repetitive and uninspired

whole game has serious balance issues that never existed with Souls. Some grunt enemies do arbitrarily high amounts of damage, while big, slow guys in the same area do less than the smaller grunt enemies. Tough enemies drop few blood echoes, while easy enemies drop loads. Seems to be bizarro balancing all across the game and especially in chalice dungeons

Spamming r1 isn't a real challenge. Normal difficulty DMC still blows souls challenges out of the water.

ah yes i will pick this over bg3 any day.

Demon Souls flopped hard therefore Elden Ring isn't one of the most resounding financial successes of all time?

i wasnt that far off considering thats the one soulslop game i havent played.

Make them online similar to Dragon Quest X.

no bro you don’t get it
sometimes I have to press L1 or roll too when the boss does it’s incredibly slow massively telegraphed attack
this is incredibly high skill gameplay even though casual normgroids can complete SL1 runs without issue

Normal difficulty DMC still blows souls challenges out of the water.

No the fuck it doesn't. Normal mode in DMC is a fucking joke. Stop talking out your ass and acting like DMC is this uber hardcore series just because you've never played it.

Even on DMD, even with *S-ranks on DMD*, DMC is still nowhere fucking close to Souls difficulty. You would need to be talking about DMD SS-ranks (S-rank in every single category) or BP all characters for the difficulty to approach Souls in difficulty. And may I remind you: Souls only has ONE fucking difficulty level, while DMC has like a half dozen and DMD requires you to beat the whole game first.

Nothing in a singleplayer jarpig is as hard as pvping a human opponent on showdown unless your ELO is fucking terrible.

Lol, OP has way better taste than most JRPG fans. It's actually amazing how badly people who like this kind of game underappreciate the good qualities of games in the genre that actually have some kind of good gameplay. Instead they constantly claim that all kinds of random heaping piles of junk are what *actually* have good combat.

This is actual bait, or just another example of an ignorant JRPG fan with poor judgement.

Souls difficulty

is non-existant, those games are punishing if you miss your one button input by a double digit frame.

DUDE MY SERIES IS SO HARDCORE

meanwhile even roasties frequently stream themselves beating the supposed hardest bosses blindfolded and using DDR dancepads

souls is a joke for fake gamers

Japanese RPG devs need to stop pretending that they live in a bubble where RPGs have not changed at all in the last 2 decades. The best RPGs have done their best to emulate the experience of a large open-ended tabletop campaign where the world reacts to the player and how they want to play the game. Unfortunately a lot of developers (Square) are learning from the wrong place and copying Ubisoft's open world slop formula. The Elder Scrolls series laid down the foundations for what makes a compelling open world RPG, and Baldur's Gate 3 showed just how far you can go with the original CRPG formula.

The RPG genre is so big now that there's a lot of directions it can go, but Japanese made ones feel like they are locked into a very narrow focus, for better or for worse. I think the light RPG genre (often misconstrued as "JRPG") is going the way of the point and click adventure game. It's not a dead genre but the time for its heyday was in the 90s and early 2000s. It's a genre defined by its limitations, which makes it a great option for new game developers learning the ropes, but it's become niche and there really isn't that big of a market for them anymore, which is why Japan has largely moved on from them.

The one huge exception is Pokemon because Pokemon fans have no standards and have been gaslit into thinking Game Freak isn't one o the wealthiest game devs on earth and that they're actually a tiny struggling indie studio with no resources, who barely keep the lights on only because of the unconditional love and support of the fandom.

This is just a symptom of lots of people playing it.
No one plays any versions of DMC in 2025, so no one has time to get bored enough to do those kinds of retarded ass challenges in DMC, let alone get max ranks on DMD.

choices

Just the potential option to kill most NPCs at any time gives it way, way more actually meaningful choice than most eastern RPGs, and the way it actually pulls this is way more elegant and better thought out than just about any western RPG. This genuinely makes it more of a 'real RPG' than most games.

it's the best game of the series in fact

Japanese RPG devs need to stop pretending that they live in a bubble where RPGs have not changed at all in the last 2 decades

It's retards like (You) who unironically believe this who need to stop pretending that they live in a bubble where this is somehow true.

copium

Blue Reflection already did, feel free to buy the DLC right now.

Nothing from Japan comes close to the scale and thought put into the Elder Scrolls. Fromslop tried but the devs suffer from doing the same shit every time and vague lore delivered in one method of sticky notes and killing off npcs for no good reason to save them from acting out their shitty writing.

Those are people with thousands of hours in the game with the most optimized builds who know the full moveset and all the timing. It's like speedrunners who can beat ultra hard NES games without taking a single hit of damage or even blindfolded.

it's now considered "coping" to acknowledge that a lack of challengers setting increasingly new bars and creating new challenges results in a stagnation of a game's meta

Here, you dropped this picture of you playing Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.

pic

the only competent one here is paper mario the rest is average at best

And we calls those people "trannies"

Elden Ring felt like a waste to me and I don't know why it's so highly praised. Even as a Souls game it's bad, the enemies and bosses just behave in stupid erratic ways because the no-lifers who can play DS1 on a Guitar Hero controllers will complain that it's not hard enough if they beat a boss without memorizing all of their zany and illogical move sets. Erd Tree was the absolute worst, fuck that expansion and fuck everyone who was polishing its knob, it's the worst Souls game as far as I'm concerned.

An open world RPG without settlements and NPCs is such a bizarre concept, and From did not nail the landing, not even close.

He’s busting out the ‘jak folder

Yup, I won this one.
Back to the sharty with you.

Souls

average at best

putting Elder Scrolls as the pinnacle of RPGs

acting like FromSoft attempted to copy Elder Scrolls

what the fuck is this thread? This is the most lazy and retarded bait I've read in ages.

They objectively did rip off Elder Scrolls.
Elden Ring is just Skyrim with rollslop mechanics mixed in to trick you into believing you are playing an action game when it’s still the same shallow open world wrpg slop.

You're currently on an internet and in a world where people believe without a shred of irony that COE:33 "saved" JRPGs by using a gameplay feature that has been used in JRPGs since 1996, and possibly even before that.

Sony threw money at Fromsoft hoping to replicate Oblivion's success and failed with King's Field and Demon's Souls. Journos were wise enough to see that they were trash and gave them the deserved ratings.

skyrim zoomie still samefagging

CRPG is not the only type of RPG in existence and not all RPGs have to fit this mold. Bethesda is not even a good example of a CRPG as the mechanics are threadbare, the quests are mostly fetch quests, the exploration is just copy-pasted caves and forests, and the interactivity/reactivity can't hold a candle to the best of CRPGs.

They're more RPG than anything Fromshitware can come up with.

Why no skyrim? Are u a dumb dirty nigger?

That was Sony's original intent with the greenlighting Demon's Souls in pre-production; it was an obvious point of comparison just because it was one of the biggest RPGs of that era, not necessarily because the design would share similarities. Regardless, that is very far from how it came to be in reality.

Skyrim invented open world and all open world games are Skyrim clones

kill zoomers

It's simple
Return to turn based

Skyrim developed by Bethesda in Maryland

Japanese RPG

Skyrim

better than Oblivion or Morrowind

you are a retarded zoomer and should die.

Skyrim didn’t invent them but it did put them on the map and that’s all that matters.

OP ruins a thread by including wrpg crap in his pic

Skyrim is spiritually a JRPG just like soulsslops are spiritual WRPGs

Skyrim has too many choices and paths to be considered as turned based Jap crap.

U when u see that J before RPG

Dirty dumb disgusting dike cunt

cope
Soulsslop is reddit. Skyrim is Anon Babble.

For most people, jepg just means final fantasy.

Even if you literally only play shit from Bethesda, both Morrowind and Oblivion had massive interactive worlds nearly a decade before Skyrim. Skyrim's RPG mechanics, quests, and interactivity are garbage compared to Oblivion.

what the fuck are you even saying? JRPGs are traditionally linear and turn-based four niggas in a row games with pre-made characters and little interactivity. Oblivion is open-world, open-ended, single customizable character, high level of interactivity and freedom, with real-time combat.

Where the FUCK are you getting similarities, or is this just more low effort bait/zoomer retardation?

can’t kill important NPCs unless the story calls for it

choice and character building does not matter, you can be archmage without casting a single spell

tons of coomerbait

Skyrim is by all accounts a JRPG.

Illiterate retard. I prefer WRPGs/CRPGs. The few JRPGs I enjoy are all non-traditional.

JRPG discussion on Anon Babble 2025

What fucking happened man? Why is it so fucking terrible oh wait it's because of election and Twitter tourists

JRPGs= Turned based, preset characters, party system, happy colors and endings

WRPGs=What ever third person combat slop is trending, make your own character, you fend for yourself most of the time, colors are muted brown or one toned, and most endings are shit

Pokémon

It's actually sad to see Anon Babble turn on Souls like it has. I witnessed it all in real time too, from the comfy Demon's Souls threads where it really felt like we found an honest to God hidden diamond in the rough, to seeing Souls blow up and just continue to get great game after great game, to now where the contrarianism has reached its peak, and we are being flooded with election tourists (2024, not even 2016), brown people, third worlders, and twitter outcasts who shit on Souls and praise Skyrim and spreadsheet shit.

Are you implying that all these Souls games are a single game who keeps remade ad infinitum?

SMT? You mean dragon warrior monsters im sure.

Because this is the first year an actual good JRPG came out since 2001. It's a shock to some people's systems.

Great game after great game

Your dark souls 2?

I was down so bad I played honkai star rail to get a turn based fix

>Souls

>average at best

i'll be quick

combat is a mediocre dance between roll and slash over and over

crap storytelling, ignoring muh vague deep lore or muh spoonfed everything, the story is a mismatched bunch of dark fantasy tropes, item descriptions are not interesting it's all a poor excuse to have a semblance of a story

visuals, meh landscape, again, generic dark fantasy stuff with a few exceptions

i could go on but eh...

Yes, it was a spiritual successor to King's Field and was a masterpiece. I miss those days when I had genuine joy and excitement for new games, and couldn't stop playing. Haven't felt that since DOS2.

Pokemon was always excellent and is completely right. Just Red/Blue alone mogged the absolute fuck out of every contemporary JRPG, and people rightly loved it for plenty of good reasons, but the kinds of people who are embarrassed by Nintendo games being good have revised history and have to act like their darlings, like Chrono Trigger for example, aren't actually basic and limited compared to what Gamefreak were able to do on a fucking Gameboy.

Pokemon is like Goldeneye, in that it was a genuinely huge advancement for the genre and well respected by devs, but fake 'hardcore' genre-fags have to act like it was always some embarrassing thing that was just liked by kids at the time who didn't know any better and was otherwise crap.

one souls game is ok, it does something cool and isnt derivative.
copy paste it and it stops being cool and becomes derivative, hurting the previous titles.
blame miyazaki for discovering the copy paste shortcuts

Oh hey look another FF tard

Make it more obvious that you've never played it why don't you?

Wrpgs are turn kino nowadays while jrpgs are actionslop

1. remove anime art styles (final fantasy is semi passable)
2. hire western writers

there's a demand for mature jrpgs with minimal weeb humour, dating and metaphor proved it. even persona fans wish it was more like metaphor and expedition 33

Only top in an RPG, and barely so
Pokemon was never good btw

It is the game that defined JRPGs.

Lol, I wish. It it really was, then JRPGs would be full of adventure and discovery the way it is, but instead they're barely like it at all and feel like it's more respectable to be restrictive moviegames.

Souls only has ONE fucking difficulty level

Why the fuck do people consistently ignore that Souls has several levels of NG+, in much the same way DMC has?

Iron keep sucks. The now standard expansion was a difficulty increase and overall downgrade. Dlc is too hard.

It's amazingly overrated compared to the rest of the series. It basically is what 'killed' the series, in terms of turning it into "beat everything by pressing a button when an enemy attacks, what's the stamina meter for lol".

The chinks and gooks copied the formula and improved which was something Fromsoft never did and still kept repeating the same mistakes over and over hoping to see whatever unfocused shit sticks. Bethesda at least changes up their samey formula from time to time.

I never played the DLC of any of the Souls games (except BB, but only because I didn't get around to actually beating it until years after release). I 100%'ed them within the first month or two, and I'm not coming back a year or so later to replay games, as I don't really do that.

I did replay Dark Souls 1 a few years back, just because I always found it to be the weakest game in the trilogy and wanted to see if I was missing something. I was planning on beating the DLC, but I was so burned out after just the base game that I never bothered with the DLC, just uninstalled as soon as I beat the final boss.

But yeah, base Dark Souls 2, non-SotFS, playing that shit around launch, couldn't put it down. Fantastic game,.

nigga u didnt play the ds1 dlc.....

"trinity"

17 games

Mario 1 is absolutely way more technically challenging than any Souls. Souls never demands you move through obstacles while controlling your momentum like you do in it, let along has you play through such huge stretches without respite and resetting your whole progress through the game after only a few mistakes.

JRPGs were already saved

You would hate soulsslop if you love video games.

so instead of counterarguing my points you went on a retarded tangent, lmao
to add another minus to rollslopa, crossbows sucks, well all ranged combat is an afterthought in favour to roll-melee everything or magic
fuck it, only swords and axes, spears also suck ass
add to pic a few hundred hours of pirated ds1 and a few less on elden ring

and heres a photo of a man playing that game.

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10/10 jarpig gameplay

Even if you really believe that, people can still beat Super Mario Bros blindfolded or with one hand or whatever else... That's my point..

Trvke.
Soulsslops are the antithesis of fun. You can easily gauge whether someone is a real gamer based on their opinions on From.
Everytime they gush about Dark Souls or Eldenshit you can safely bet they are normiecattle with generic taste that only plays fotm garbage.

Literally me
Well tekshcinally, it's LB+LB+Square+down a few times+X or RT+Up

Because this is the first year an actual good JRPG came out since 2001

Imagine how ignorant on every level you'd have to be to actually think this. This is what pretentious French shilling look like.

Bethesdashit is a step above putrid garbage like soulssloppa and Fromslop. You never belonged if you liked a reddit series like soulsborne.

no dude this weeb shovelware on the DS only three other people played is actually the pinnacle of the genre

ok lol

play hundreds of hours of a game

but dood I hate it and it sucks

just another attention whoring faggot posting bait to farm (You)s. Fuck off

started with Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring

just another normalfaggot retard bandwagoner. Fuck off

Also, you can do almost every type of run in Souls and it is still fun and balanced. It's one of the few games that really strikes that balance due to just having really strong fundamental design.

Bow only is absolutely viable, although most people will use it as a complement to melee. Magic only is obviously very viable, and there is a huge variety. 1H is viable, 2H is viable, shield is viable, heavy armor is viable, no armor is viable, fatrolling is viable, fastrolling is viable, light weapons, heavy weapons, spears, axes, swords, all viable. Hell, you can even do shit like SL1 or no roll and the game still holds up extremely well and makes you think about fights in entirely new ways.

Lol I'm not even claiming anything close to that. The shill brigade is dead set on acting like Final Fantasy was somehow the only thing in the genre that mattered or was any good and that that it just 'died' shortly after the PS2 released. Like, lol

This is amazingly pathetic. Ask your handlers for better material and inform them how shit their strategy is.

DUDE YOU HAVE TO PLAY DARK SOULS BRO IT IS LE HARDEST GAME EVER

Fine…

Play it

Almost put to sleep by how fucking easy and boring it is

I’m sorry but genuinely the only explanation is that soulsloppers barely play video games. There is no other way you can genuinely believe they are deep and innovative when in reality they obviously are extremely shallow to anyone who has played more than five games in their life.
I’m guessing the only other shit you play is Overwatch and Fortnite.

i said the series is average at best

duud u haet it!!11

lmaooo what a braindead fan, here's your last (you) enjoy it

combat is a mediocre dance between roll and slash over and over

see Literally the best combat of all time, best enemy design of all time, best boss design of all time.

crap storytelling, ignoring muh vague deep lore or muh spoonfed everything, the story is a mismatched bunch of dark fantasy tropes, item descriptions are not interesting it's all a poor excuse to have a semblance of a story

Just say you're a brainlet who needs everything over explained to understand. Nobody gives a fuck about story in an action or adventure game anyways. Souls is an RPG in the exploratory/player mastery sense, not in the CRPG sense, where there is a focus on story, worldbuilding, characters, and quests. It's still there, but it takes the backseat.

visuals, meh landscape, again, generic dark fantasy stuff with a few exceptions

100% absolute delusion. One of the absolute most beautiful and varied games out there with incredible environments. Not to mention the level design is bar none the best across not just RPGs, but gaming as a whole.

I honestly just feel bad for people that can't appreciate Souls, they are actually subhuman inferior beings. Stick to your capeshit and Skyrim, retard.

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kek they really tried to lump gen 3 in with the greats

Fromdrones having another melty itt

be a bandwagoning normie faggot retard

play a game many years after release

have preconceived notions about "muh GIT GUD!!!" when difficulty was only there to engage you with the combat and make triumphs more satisfying

have preconceived notions about "muh bossrush!!" when bosses were always secondary to the feeling of adventure of carefully navigating and exploring the dangerous levels

Sounds like a personal issue.

Also, yes, Souls is harder than almost any other action game out there, not necessarily by intentionally being difficult, but by the overwhelming majority of action games just being surface level spectacle shit.

Even to this day, there is not a single game that is harder on its default difficulty just to beat and see the credits. Even comparing Souls to the hardest games on their hardest difficulties, there is *still* almost nothing out there harder. Literally just NG2 on MNM (the hardest action game in existence), is all I can think of. Even something like DMD with S-ranks is way easier, you would need to be talking DMD SS-ranks or BP all characters for the difficulty to even be comparable.

Then you consider all the insane speedruns/challenge runs in Souls like SL1, no roll, no upgrading, no damage, the game is just the deepest rabbit hole you can imagine in terms of difficulty and replayability. Just such gold standard timeless design fundamentals.

holy wall of seethe

Something I wish jrpgs would do is take more notes from western rpgs and as skill checks and variety in random encounters. Like you could encounter merchants in the field and could either rob them or engage in dialogue and trade. encounter a rigged chest and your intelligence/dexterous characters could take a shot disarming it.

Gen 3 was the peak

Imagine trying to come at the absolute undisputed King of both the action genre and RPG genre (Soulskino), when your favorite RPG is motherfucking Skyrim.

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aww shit, sorry bud, i just pressed the iframe button and your entire post missed me.
better luck next time.

pokemon

good JRPG

I could write an academic essay on why pokemon games are not good and just take advantage of how reckless your common consumer is with their money, nostalgia and the shallow but loved gimmick of monster capturing/fighting.

Gen 2 was pretty damn good, especially compared to literally any other GB/GBC RPG. Unless you were a really big Harry Potter RPG fan.

jrpgs = rpgs made in japan & the rest of east asia
wrpgs = rpgs made in the rest of the world

It's awful, bit I honestly don't blame most shitposters here because those games deserve the shit they get.

Reddit souls

cringe

I could write an academic essay on why pokemon games are not good

You could but it probably would just be several pages of nonsense since I doubt you have the experience to speak objectively

OP's fault for including shit games on the pic. We would be just fine with Mario and Pokemon posted.

Yeah no, that's fucking stupid.

wrong

you have never played a dungeon crawler in your entire life

He's a sonyfag trying to give Bloodborne credit it doesn't deserve, ignore him.

I wish create a character was more allowed in JRPGs that weren't Fromsoft games. I get having a central and easily recognizable avatar to promote your games and sell your worlds. But I wish I could make my own FF protag (outside of MMOs), or Trials protag, etc.
But in the stories prior, it makes sense. All FF characters since 3 have their own stories and arcs.
Even a game as loose as Ys, is STILL about Adol.

More sexy women
One male main character

Then play Jrpgs that let you customise your character instead of complaining.

No, I'll do both.

Just know that every time you see someone use the term "slop" it's a brown inhuman creature. Especially if it's a Bethesda fan, those ones are objectively not human.

Tendies latching onto souls again

ofcourse, they're getting an exclusive elden ring game after all

Lol based

even persona fans wish it was more like metaphor and expedition 33

lol lmao even

There’s plenty of stuff that deserves to be called slop, anon

but Souls games don’t. They’re all generally pretty great. It’s the bandwagoners that are hit or miss

anon, copy pasted games are literal slop

Soulsbourne

Paper Mario

Pokemon

The trinity of actually good JRPGs

Holy shit, just say you hate JRPGs.

Nothing from Japan comes close to the scale and thought put into the Elder Scrolls

Bethesda games have no thought put into it. Only mindless combat, worthless fetch quests, and dogshit writing. You been blinded by "Bethesda magic" into thinking Bethesda games are some masterclass of RPGs.

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