Tell me Anon Babble, is VR worth getting in 2025...

Standalone means extra weight and wattage that you won't use, plus the tracking is worse than lighthouse.

It's for skyrim which is for mods which is for porn, stop taking mental shortcuts

Is skyrim vr really good? I've been hearing a fair bit about modlists for it lately. Last time I played skyrim was probably 2014.

dont listen to that other fag telling you to buy the bigshart beyond
its a wired only headset with shitty specs
the freedom of not needing a cable vastly outweighs whatever he is trying to shill
get a quest 3 and a proper router so you can play over wifi

Even people that have tried them all prefer the Quest because the lenses and being tether free

if you're interested in VR you should wait to see what Valve's Deckard is later this year.

Just get a Quest 3 and return it after you play the 3 games worth playing. Just tell them it has a dead pixel which is probably true. Every single Quest 3 I've seen has dead or stuck pixels.

This is only true against the BSB, and the fact that it's not the BSB has 99% more to do with the weight than a pcb with a fan on it and a battery. And actually the batteries aren't too heavy because they don't make them big enough. But that's all fine because you get the battery headstrap for $50 and it's better as a counterbalance. All the wired headsets that aren't BSB are heavy, heavier than the quest even. I don't know how, but they are.

wattage that you won't use

????

plus the tracking is worse than lighthouse.

Again in theory, but the top ranks on the beatsaber leaderboards didn't fall for this meme. It's going to have worse LOS but this doesn't matter in practice, VR games don't demand precision when you're putting your hands behind your back.

wait for deckard

If you know how to install modlists, definately, it's one of the best vr games. If you don't know how to modlist it's a time consuming setup though.

Quest 2 is a good entry point if you're a relative poorfag but have a decent rig that you can stream/connect to and play games. They're dirt cheap and are more than enough for most games. Get a Quest 3 otherwise (or maybe wait until a new Valve VR headset or Quest 4).

It's really good with mods, especially if you use magic/bows, but also the mods make melee more tolerable.

depends, do you like the concept of VR?
There's tons of awesome games but they're very short and mostly tech demos. There are very few "complete" games, I mean there's plenty now but that's like nearly 8 years worth of catalogue you'd be playing through, sadly there's not much coming out in the future. Meta has abandoned VR. We have no big games to look forward to. I personally love it, just wish there was more.

Really?
I have some reservations about getting tired of it really easily from playing because of the movement.

You need top tier rig for high res VR and to sustain good framerates. Think 5090 if you're doing high resolution PCVR like i am, that includes adding MSAA on top of your games. However it's all still case dependent, you need to play good looking games to obviously stress your card. It all depends on what res you're scaling up to.
These resolutions:
3072x 3216
^ the 4090 will hold it's own here. Nothing to speak about. It's comparable to the 5090

Then you get here and the 4090 drops off a cliff and dies with framerate
4344x4548
5320x5568
6144x6432

And UEVR is very power hungry which also favors the 5090. This all depends on what you want to get out of your PCVR experience. You can be served fine even with whatever your rig likely is. Just be mindful of trade offs. I recommend you get into it, because think of it is another way to enhance your regular gaming experience rather than whether enough VR games exist in this space right now.

Is it true that an Nvidia card is pretty much required?
I thought I could get away with a 6600XT but my friend said it apparently won't be anywhere near enough to play anything.

Meta has abandoned VR

source

not even for porn unless you're really into eye contact or upskirts like me

Vr is like getting a season pass to an amusement park. Are you really going to go that often? Depends what kind of person you are

the lack of announcements. When Zuckerberg was all in on VR and the metaverse we were getting all these rumors of what's to come, games announcements, etc. All that is gone, what games have they announced? Where is the next Asgard's wrath? Quest 4 rumors like in the past?
Meta has moved on to smart glasses since they couldn't make money off VR. It's sad but true. I love my Quest 3, I just wish there was something new to be excited for.

they literally just posted gorillions in losses for the VR division, they're working on *something*

yeah keep this in mind. I like VR but I suspect most people are like me and after the honeymoon period or that game you can sink 100 hours in you'll replay games sporadically for a few days every few weeks or couple of months. It's not like flat games where there's attractive new content always coming out of a revolving door.

I would say no. I was almost daydreaming about playing Skyrim and Subnautica VR(with all the appropriate mods of course) and when I got to do it it was underwhelming. I was forcing myself yo play, then I saw a flat video of Subnautica and thought "wow, this looks so much butter". And basically haven't touched the VR in half a year now

Bitrate is the biggest PCVR killer by far.
I have dedicated wifi for my PCVR and shit still sucks, even though my PC outputs crystal clear image

I mean its a very different gaming experience and i think everyone should try it at least once but frankly theres a very small library of games that stand out as unique VR experiences. Really most VR titles come to like 2-3 genres: racing, fps, or some variant of rhythm games. Granted sometimes you get Skyrim VR which is actually very cool but those are few and far between and dont offer much too much more than their console version. Still, it is pretty fun, I just wish there was more of a dedicated market for it and it wasnt so expensive for essentially a gimmick at this point. Its also hard to play games for more than an hour without getting a headache.

Lowkey bought it for DOAX3.
it was worth it

"wow, this looks so much butter"

is this pasta?

There's tons of awesome games but they're very short and mostly tech demos.

This. Really cool concepts that kind of just stay as cool concepts.

Does anyone know what warp frog is doing? I'd imagine blade & sorcery 2 but I never actually read confirmation of that anywhere

Is it true that an Nvidia card is pretty much required?

Basically for good frame timings, yes. AMD cards suck shit at that.

If you're gay and into anime women, it's extremely peak.
But also, I've played vr games regularly for years, I have a quest pro, index controllers and full tundra full body tracking. Without changing my diet playing games while standing has gotten me to lose weight, around 20lbs and now I'm
Beyond 2 is new and has great specs. Only issue is wired

I have dedicated wifi for my PCVR and shit still sucks

The wired options are pimax crystal light, crystal super and big screen beyond 1/2 in regards to being somewhere in affordability, it's all still super expensive even for the less budget minded when you break it all down (including almost required accessories for the pimax stuff like headphones).

I'll never advocate for wireless ever and i try to tell people not to do it. But a wireless shill always tries to tell people it's 'fine'. Sorry to hear that you got tricked.

Display port wired is not an issue. Retards being gaslit by faceberg into thinking compressed lossy WiFi streaming is an acceptable way to play PCVR

lack of announcements is real but zuck did put a lot of money into buying vr studios, so they must be making stuff
quest 4 is still 2 years away, but how many games can realistically come out in that time? most vr devs seem to have died. all the best vr content was designed for psvr1 and quest2

next asgard's wrath

honestly the asgard's wrath games are 6/10 compared to real rpgs, dunno why anyone thinks they are the savior of vr...

moved onto smart glasses

not quite, they're developing both ends of the bridge

beyond 2 still has only 1920x1920 at 90hz. The only good specs are weight and oled with pancake lenses

The wired options are pimax crystal light, crystal super and big screen beyond 1/2 in regards to being somewhere in affordability

PSVR 2 with the PC adapter is cheap as fuck and it's specs are surprisingly solid.

I hope that EMG stuff makes it in to Quest 4. I hate that Valve gave up on full finger tracking because everything needs to be Quest compatible. Also I guess it would be the ultimate move to say haha we added it now.

Yeah I'm sure that would work out well too. Having OLED opposed to the QLED in the crystal light might be more appealing for some people.

Them releasing that adapter gives me hope one day they'll allow capcom to port the VR versions of Resident Evil 7/8/4Re to PC

Is vr worth it? Yes
Is vr worth it if you are a fat retard or can't check out which games are good or not?
No
Thank you for your thread.

Biggest mistake you can make with VR is playing HL:Alyx first, nothing comes close

I think this only exists because AR glasses are so small that doing camera tracked hands with computer vision processing isn't going to happen. Why would this be useful for the quest 4?

Also there's no reason to think valve's headset won't have handtracking, but its redundant to track it with the controllers if your computer vision game is good enough.

i play ping pong on it, anything else is a bit of hassle

Why would this be useful for the quest 4?

The finger tracking on the Quest 3 is imprecise as fuck. The demo they had with the EMG wristband had very fine control. Enough that you can move a cursor accurately just rubbing your thumb on a finger. If you don't see the value in having precise finger tracking I don't know what to tell you. If anything it will let me lie down and browse videos without gorilla arms.

I like Boneworks and the Vertigo games as the kind of games that may compliment it well afterwards in my personal opinion. Or just playing Half-Life 2 VR.

Yeah I'll check it out but I can't take people at their word because I hear every day that inside out tracked controllers don't work.

Does apple have this problem? Also it's tech with a timed life, quest 4 is 2 years from now. You could release this wristband and then its obsoleted by better algorithms or a slightly faster soc.

I tried the vertigo 2 demo, and I kneeled out of respect when the glass bubble helicopter thing took off and it was basically a "suck my cock sicklets" moment in VR.

I actually haven't bought it because I was really put off by the blood decals way more than any other game for some reason.

Boneworks is too sandboxy for me and the hologram enemies and textureless levels are very uninteresting but Vertigo 2 is an incredible game for a solo dev. I should pickup the DLC soon

bamham > alyx
alyx is just another vr fps. you played one, you played em all.

The EMG stuff seems like its more software than hardware. I remember someone linked a project where people we're getting decent results from smart watches.

I would wait for the newest wave of headsets to get some more testing or for Valve to release their new headset.

Quest isn't bad because it has a system on a chip and an OS.

That's precisely why it's bad. VR technology is mostly tied to the progress of displays and lens tech which are glacial by themselves, but the inclusion of an integrated SoC and battery means that it is also tied to the much more rapid progress (and degradation) of two other technologies means that obsolescence occurs in half the time or less.
The fact that this also means that the OS is locked down Android shit doesn't help.
Standalone headsets are bad, because they should have just released a handheld computer and battery separately, while focusing on making a capable headset with inside-out tracking.
Even if there were merits to standalone headsets, don't get one that doesn't even have a Displayport output. Wired isn't even that big of an imposition with a half-decent cable rig.
People were assuming that it was going to release early this year. We have no info on a release date.

top ranks in beatsaber

That's because Beatsaber is played mostly stationary with your arms in front. That's an easy tracking scenario for inside-out tracking.
I don't think it's necessary, but AMD drivers are infamously better on Linux which has more limited headset compatibility, so your results might vary.

This mod was amazing, when it worked. I think i may have gotten near halfway through the game until i got to the point of where it glitched out and wouldn't let me progress any further. The mod author abandoned it. Very sad. A much better experience than playing goldsrc half-life with all of it's limitations. Hazardous Environment Combat Unit actually made me sweat like a pig running around on a treadmill. It was an intense experience while it lasted, one i won't forget. The opening prologue was fucking insanely hard if you're not relying on a controller.

That's precisely why it's bad.

This wasn't a statement about industry direction, its about your choices of products to buy right now. "dont buy the quest because its standalone" makes no sense. Neither would "dont buy the quest because it should be something else I would like better"

Also valve is making deckard stand alone for several good reasons.

I didn't even know about this, how does it compare to half life 2's really good mods?

I never like black mesa but hey, I'll try it because its content.

Yeah but almost exclusively for the vr mods and ai converted 3d. Made for vr is usually a fraction of a full game outside of pvp games

my advice for prospecting newfriends is to buy a pico 4, with a quest 2 pricetag yet quest 3 specs.

but muh exclusives

you can find ports of any quest exclusive games on a telegram group called "picoLAND", and there are tools that automatically do the job of converting .APKs for you with one click.

but muh privacy concerns

can't help you there, comes down to whether you would rather get fucked over by pooh or zuck. will always be easier to dns block all chinese urls though.

but muh wireless connection issues, lag, horrible compression artifacts, i dont want to buy a $200 dollar router just to play wireless pcvr

your only options for wired are to either buy a valve index if you have money to throw away on a hobby you're not even sure you like yet (and later upgrade to the bigscreen beyond, keeping the lighthouses and index controllers), or to check out the more affordable pico neo 3 link

"dont buy the quest because its standalone" makes no sense

It does make sense. Quest 3 released in 2023, which means that buying right now will see your standalone headset become obsolete in 1 or 2 years based on Facebook release schedules.

Also valve is making deckard stand alone for several good reasons.

Valve also has a better reputation.

More open hardware, not locked down Androidslop

No constant upgrade cycles, The Index may be 6 years old but it's still not completely obsolete

Forwards and backwards compatibility of hardware in the ecosystem

Ecosystem is supported by multiple hardware and headset manufacturers

your only options for wired are to either buy a valve index if you have money to throw away on a hobby you're not even sure you like yet

PSVR 2

true. and you can even probably find it cheap as fuck 2nd hand on most countries, in most likely perfect condition since there's hardly anything to play on its intended platform. too bad about the lack of eye tracking support on PC though.

how does it compare to half life 2's really good mods?

It's literally running on that half-life 2 VR port. It needs to be installed for it to work, so it feels as good as that game does. The mod is just broken in areas unfortunately. Maybe you'll have more luck than i did. Pro tip: make lots of saves often. It' starts getting less and less stable the further you get into On a Rail. But once you get to the Power UP chapter the Gargantua fight is absolutely glitched anyway and might cause a progression lock there. I still managed to beat him despite the fight itself being more broken than it should, but leaving the area is where i got stuck. I think it's running on an older build of the game and that's why it is the way it is. I think i had to noclip to finish the level or something. It's right after that part the rest of the rail section with numerous fights along the way is where everything falls apart the longer and longer you get into it. So the next section of the game from there on you'll be rolling a dice of how much further in you can get.I would say the average progression if you know what you were doing would be like 18 minutes into the chapter before it starts glitching to the point of no return.

too bad about the lack of eye tracking support on PC though

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It's being worked on

Quest 3 released in 2023, which means that buying right now will see your standalone headset become obsolete in 1 or 2 years based on Facebook release schedules.

This is why you don't skip the context, he's buying it for PCVR. It doesn't matter if it can't run quest 4 games in 2 years against buying a wired headset that can't run any quest games period.

Also the special pleading is cringe, valve standalone hardware can become "outdated" just like anything else. Especially because the ecosystem is open and we could see third party steam OS headsets that release much faster than every 6 years. None of this matters, turn the graphics down. This doesn't even matter on quest because devs have to support quest 2 when they make quest 3 games because there's so many of them.

he's buying it for PCVR

Then it's even worse. The Quest only has access to compressed USB/Wifi data streams and has no display inputs.

buying a wired headset that can't run any quest games period.

You shouldn't support walled garden Metaslop anyway.

valve standalone hardware can become "outdated" just like anything else

It could, we just don't much if anything about it beyond leaks
We don't know much about the headset beyond leaks, but just having a proper Displayport output would already futureproof the headset much more than the Quest, that's not special pleading, it's just a fact that Meta has made its design decisions based on factors that aren't related to headset quality or end user experience.

Meta has terrible financials and they don't make any money back unless you buy software from their store anyway because the headsets are close to or less than at cost.

I think you mean displayport input. I'd like that out of a $1200 premium headset, especially to shut down any complaining I ever hear about it again. But with eye tracked foveated encoding the difference between wireless and wired video is going to get a lot smaller. If deckard can drive its displays clearly with wifi 6 or 7 or whatever they go with, there won't be a future proofing difference between the two either.

just having a proper Displayport output would already futureproof the headset

Microsoft just dropped all support for their Windows Mixed Reality headsets they don't work on Windows 11 or recent Windows 10 updates.

I'm not talking about Microshaft though, I'm talking about Valve.
Even if Valve does discontinue support of SteamVR for some reason, Monado is still continuing development (and is coincidentally also continuing to support WMR headsets on Linux even if I'm not sure about the tracking quality there).

Wireless is so much nicer than the native video feed unless you're only playing racing sims or something. The wire is fucking annoying, being able to freely spin and walk around without worrying about the wire is so much better. I've had wired and wireless and wireless is just so much better despite the slight loss in visual quality

I haven't tried wireless yet, but I haven't had to give much of a shit about turning around because I've been using retractable cable holders.
I'm not necessarily saying that the headset shouldn't have wireless, just that it should be secondary to having a functioning wired connection.

Wireless is so much nicer than the native video feed unless you're only playing racing sims or something

Just gotta bungie your cables and occasionally untangle them i suppose. I've gotten used to it and that's with using a treadmill. Not ideal but the video quality matters enough to me.

There's some pretty good flat VR mods outside of the regular UEVR options. Some people don't know how much it all opens up with modding in general.

Just gotta bungie your cables and occasionally untangle them i suppose

I'm not hanging shit all over the ceiling to play the one VR game that comes out per year. Plus I don't even play roomscale in the same room as my PC. The wireless freedom is clearly better. I just wish someone would make a wireless headset with an OLED, LCD looks like shit.

Is a Meta Quest 3 good enough for someone who's never even used a VR headset? I don't even know if I'll like it and I don't plan on playing Sims. Just some meme vr games and watching content

To name a few flat games off the top of my head that have VR mods: System Shock remake, Cruelty Squad, Ultrakill, The Outer Wilds, Neon White, Halo and Return to Castle Wolfenstein. There's probably plenty of others.

can't imagine even playing something like tea for god or travrsal with wires

Is VR worth it?

Yes

Is VR worth it if you're going to buy some shit wireless headset and run it from a poorfag PC?

lol no

What would you feel like if you had played wired VR this morning?

Get a second hand quest 2 and connect it to your PC to try it out

I played Eye of the Temple over like 4-5 hours without ever taking the Quest 3 off and it was definitely the most immersive thing I've done in VR. The game is designed so well to keep you in bounds I just turned off the boundary altogether and didn't even think about the play space/wires.

Also a lot of games don't require you to move around so it's easy to just move your computer chair back slightly and play seated

pc games don't require you to move

wow

I love my Pico 4 but it really depends on your local prices on Chinese stuff. In some places it's as expensive as Q3. If you can get it for a Q2 price, that's a great deal

Shit people without a PC say

Yeah VR mods are basically memes. I tried playing Morrowind and as cool as it is to revisit those places IVRL, it's just not fun to play in VR. For one reading in VR is a pain in the ass, so is fiddling with menus

it's just not fun to play in VR

Transferring the Morrowind vanilla experience into VR isn't going to make dice roll combat fun. Fun is a stretch even without the equation of VR depending on perspective.

yeah, the quest 3 is a great headset to get into vr with, just on the sort of expensive side. it's lighter and more ergonomic than most headsets, and the optics are great. maybe try and demo it somewhere first before buying

Speaking of Elder Scrolls, aside from VRIK Player Avatar mod and HIGGS what are the essential mod list for Skyrim do you think? i just use mad god overhaul at this point with mantella disabled because i think that kills performance.