we are making an FPS and it currently is the late 00s/early 10s and we need a hero rifle
but it needs to be even more tacticool than the classic M16/M4 family
We are making an FPS and it currently is the late 00s/early 10s and we need a hero rifle
Got you bro
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So?
ACR with holo
Heres your tacticool M16 replacement bro
the go to "more tacticool than an M4" rifle from that era actually was the XM8 and there was a timeframe where every game would have it
honorable mention to the XM29 OICW too
bro this is going to be the future of assault rifles
reality: lmao here's SOPMOD/URG-I for your M4s
Correct gun, wrong variant.
You can't play an early 2000's shooter or watch an action flick without one of this showing up.
I wish they'd bring back the LR-300.
Block IIIs are actually really cool and would be a way better replacement than the xm7.
Lel and that's not even the newest variant.
The difference is that the XM8 and OICW were dead ends and its declining presence was evidence of that, while the HK416 actually got high profile use and adoption. Its legacy was sealed after being used in the bin Laden raid.
Hell the HK416 and XM8 were practically contemporaneous and both showed up in early 7th gen military shooters like Tom Clancy stuff.
I'm honestly surprised the g36 lasted as long as it did.
These backups sights look like they could be snapped clean off by any average retarded grunt just by shoving the gun through a shooting hole in a barricade, during a firefight.
Xm7 is the dumbest shit. Why not just adopt ar-10 instead of paying for the r&d for a new gun and ammo plus the logistic issues of having to issue a new rifle and 3 different rifle ammo?
The armor penetration doesn't seem to worth the fewer ammo for each soldier and increased weight.
Nobody even uses iron sights in this day and age anymore. It's all LPVOs or eotech with magnifiers.
My beloved
Him and the G36 carried me in combat arms
no m1 Garand in a gun game
no buy/play it
I just don't see the XM7 taking off, 5.56 is a tried and proven cartridge that works just fine. Switching to a cumbersome platform chambered in an awkward round is just pants on head retarded.
I hope the XM7 doesn't take off either. It strikes me a terrible idea in every metric.
Lpvo looks way too bulky and more fragile with fewer fov. Is there a significant advantage of it over the acog beside the increased magnification variable?
late 00s/ early 10s
you had 2 flavors of smg to pick
Sig needs to make their money back from all the ND lawsuits.
Why not just adopt ar-10 instead of paying for the r&d for a new gun and ammo plus the logistic issues of having to issue a new rifle and 3 different rifle ammo?
They already did that. Multiple times. The M110 was a total piece of shit half the time, so they adopted an HK417 to replace it, then immediately went back to a slightly upgraded M110. I don't know how the HK shit the bed, but it had to be pretty bad for the military to go back to KAC.
The armor penetration doesn't seem to worth the fewer ammo for each soldier and increased weight.
The 6.8 round is genuinely impressive. It is pushing the same velocity with the same bullet weight as .308 gets from a 24" barrel....in a 13" barrel. The m110 is nearly a 20 lbs hunk of shit when you get a suppressor and optic on it and it's still nowhere near what the 6.8 is capable of.
Realistically I think the XM7 is a poor choice as a general issue rifle. But up the barrel to 16" so they can ease off the absurd pressure a bit, throw in a match barrel, and you've got the best DMR ever made and it's not even close. The round's ballistics are fantastic, it's like shooting a laser gun, there's so little drop at range and it handles wind well.
Oh, and if they could get someone other than fucking Sig to make it that'd be even better.
No it's just your just your average meta highspeed tacticool gear that all the cool glowies and larpers are using these days. Anyone with functioning braincells would know that the ACOG and shit even the specter DR work better.
Seriously what the fuck is going on with the firearms industry these days? Look at this looney toons ass shit.
Dark horse pick here.
The final version is a massive pile of shit, how did they fuck up so bad?
The bald fuck in charge didn't want to pay as much.
You forgot about this. Either complete piece of shit or meta slur farming tool.
What gun is this?
Has anyone adopted this? The kriss V seems like a pretty solid PDW.
My favorite CoD and Rainbow Six Vegas gun for the era.
G36
This but for TOZ-34
It's supposed to be a rifle for fighting near-peer threats, basically the assumption that Russian or Chinese soldier would be as well-armored as an American and you'd need a more powerful rifle to punch through it. Really they just wanted a rifle that shared ammunition with a better machine gun.
But honestly, yeah you're right, 5.56 will probably still remain the most useful cartridge for the next few decades.
Let me guess, you NEED more?
Pathetic.
I thought it was mostly because the US is anticipating warfare to be more long range in the future with less urban horseshit like in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Sadly none that I know off. Shame because it looks cool af and is one of the only two .45 smg on the market.
I need less.
let me guess you need more?
Yes.
Obligatory post
It is pushing the same velocity with the same bullet weight as .308 gets from a 24" barrel....in a 13" barrel.
gets CTE from the recoil of missing your shot while I fill you with 77gr OTM from my urgi/mk12
nothin personel
I want a Anon Babble fag to tell me why the P90 isn't a complete work of art and basically the best PDW/SMG ever designed
P90 CAN SUCK MY COCK
complete work of art and basically the best PDW/SMG ever designed
It is by virtue of it not being affordable
Because the US made an AR version of it
gimme what the israelis got but cooler.
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IMAGINE
Isn't that the bazilian FAL chambered in 5.56?
yeah but I mean from a design standpoint
why the empty magwell?
I can't think of a single game where an M27 was the default rifle. I can't even think of a single game that HAS an M27.
Oh fuck the lever action got me good, can’t stop laughing
SMGs as a concept are bordering on obsolete nowadays. The market for medium sized SMGs like the UMP or Vector was eaten up by intermediate caliber carbines, why bother with wimpy pistol calibers when 10.5'' barrel ARs are a dime a dozen? The only remaining market is subcompact little phone booth guns for people like tankers (the reason the Skorpion exists) or maybe MAYBE if you are some super 1337 oper8or that wants the extra quiet that suppressed subsonic pistol rounds give you.
Black ops 2, BF3 and 4 had it.
FAT FUCK
from a design standpoint
I don't know, what I do know is that Strike made a chassis for it
It's an FNC, not a FAL.
I wish they'd bring back the LR-300.
Would it be really better than your average AR-18 derivative?
It's the story of the M-14 all over again. No matter the performance of the round, less bullets per soldier will always be a bad thing. Also the owner of Sig is a Jew named Ron Cohen, so...
It's a pretty good SMG, the biggest problem is the mag, which can be quite finicky, due to its peculiar design.
Downward ejection
Because it's a conversion and that's actually the ejection port.
Imbel makes a similar version, it was featured in max payne 3.
It's the default rifle in Bad Company 1 and the 2025 starting rifle in Black Ops 2
Because they made a pistol that can shoot p90 bullets.
That's an M468
forgot pic
Reeeeeeeeee
Bold choice. I didn't realize IKEA made firearms now.
I thought the fish was the default in BC1.
BC1 was 17 years ago
Here's the best fictional gun every put in a sci-fi setting.
That's BC2 and even then the "M"416 is still there
Here you go bro
No it's not, it's literally called the 416 in game.
Afghanistan
Afghanistan is the catalyst for the xm7 development as the long mountainous terrain renders 5.56 from 14.5" m4 impotent compared to taliban's PKM and SVD. But still....they should have just upgrade the 20" barrel m16a4 with telescopic stock and full auto mode instead of wasting billion dollar procuring a new rifle and billions more supplying it.
Then they can put those extra money to gift extra salary for the grunts and solve the current military problem that is low recruitment rate.
Soldier sure have been paid like shit since the beginning of civilization, but at least they can loot and rape whatever they can after a successful campaign. Soldiers now can't even engage an obvious target that was obviously scouting them. Who would want to be paid like shit just to be a living target with less freedom than a medieval era peasant infantry?
a complete work of art and basically the best P̶D̶W̶/SMG ever designed
this exists
IKEA
A dude from Florida is in charge of Grendel.
If Heckle and Kock didn't go full retard with proprietary attachments, would we be living in a truly post AR15 fish gun world
Anon... it was sarcastic...
living in a post AR15 world
I don't want to live in that world.
Can't believe that Gearbox was too lazy to scale the magazine size in their shitty visual overhaul.
SMGs as a concept are bordering on obsolete nowadays.
The problem with very short carbines is the huge blast, they're a pain to use indoors, unless you use a suppressor.
inb4 pussy
WHAT??? YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK LOUDER SON
The M27 was the starting rifle of the support class in BF3.
A dude from Florida
Anon...Look up where George Kellgren is from.
no no, you were right anyway.
we need a gun for not so shitty enemy faction
thanks, i hate it.
Probably not because SOPMOD was already in the works, the path of least resistance, and again the HK416 was in development right on its heels.
Learning about guns is so damn tiresome, why is there like 10000 variants on the M4??? why adding a different barrel makes a otherwise pretty normal rifle to be called a carbine??
Why does fucking adding a underrail change the name of the gun so much??
why am I a retard???
sviiden
Oh shit. Sometimes my sarcasm turns out to be real.
416 is all you need.
If there's one thing DICE got right it was the USMC switching to the 416 platform. I think marsoc still uses the M4 though.
Is it as heavy as it looks? Or was it a reverse hk416 that it's lighter than it looks?
SMGs are basically back though since some of those AR PCCs are confirmed to work with that new FRT.
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It's actually light as fuck (3.5kg = 7.7 pounds).
PDWs will fill a niche, usually security forces and what not. SEALs I think still use the MP7.
block II > block III
It's all plastic. There are heavier BB guns.
Meanwhile my AR weighs a pound and a half less and isn't a plastic piece of shit.
Not really but more because it's interesting technology but doesn't warrant the effort towards replacing existing submachine guns. Same as why it took forever to sort-of replace the M16/M4. Hell around the same time the PDW concept was being tried out they developed and adopted the M4 carbine.
you need to arm someone with something small that doesn't take up space? Have a handgun
you need something a little bigger but still uses handgun rounds? have a submachine gun
you need something with a little more power but you still need some maneuverability? We got a carbine rifle for you
Like talks about, it's pretty much a solved problem barring some massive new development in weaponry.
There's use cases for PDWs, the adoption of the MP7 and P90 is testament to that, but not enough to warrant mass replacing of existing submachine guns and also having yet another fucking ammo type to account for. Hell, the Vector just uses normal ass pistol cartridges rather than some special PDW ammo.
At least they get to pad out the SMG category in multiplayer shooters.
There are also lighter all steel rifles. An AK is lighter. It's heavy as fuck for what it is.
ATTENTION
fuck ya mudda
ATTENTION
yeah
It's weird that at the height of GWOT themed triple A shooters none of them feature the later SOPMOD block variants.
they're a pain to use indoors, unless you use a suppressor.
Isn't that borderline every gun ever made, even pistol caliber small arms.
t. only shot rifles with hearing protection
based
Why the fuck does that look like a Halo gun
where’s fat fuck Ash @?
I got one of these for my AR-10 a few weeks ago. Apparently they're marginally worse than actual ACOG but for the price difference I hear you can't beat them. Problem is it's a discontinued model so good luck finding one.
Everything H&K made after ditching roller-delayed blowback is an AR; just an AR-18 instead of an AR-15.
why adding a different barrel makes a otherwise pretty normal rifle to be called a carbine??
A carbine is just a short rifle, that's the distinction.
Why does fucking adding a underrail change the name of the gun so much??
It typically doesn't. The M27 IAR isn't just a monolithic upper, it's a short stroke piston upper and a different fire control group.
why am I a retard???
You're probably not, you just have a tenuous grasp on the English language.
in hell inshallah
would be a way better replacement than the xm7
Dusting off the BARs or Colt Monitors in the museums and giving them a polymer furniture would be a better replacement than the XM7
Fully kitted out Austeyr.
Bullpup supremacy.
why is there like 10000 variants on the M4???
Murica's domination over the western world, which made the AR-15 and its derivatives the standard.
why adding a different barrel makes a otherwise pretty normal rifle to be called a carbine??
Tbh it's a quite arbitrary distinction. If 14.5" is a carbine, would 16" be short enough to be considered a carbine too? Don't think too much about it.
The M27 IAR isn't just a monolithic upper
The m27 doesn't have a monolithic upper.
It's not that hard once you stop being underage. I remember being confused with all the numbers and letters and classification back in 2007.
That's kind of already a thing.
We already modernized BARs as a matter of fact.
At the height of GWOT Natick and Crane arsenals weren't paying Activision to put their guns in a game.
Q who?
Something about the way the HCAR looks bothers me.
Sure, it's got a polymer shell just like a SCAR, an AUG, or half the ARs out there. Some of us just like something a little different than the same old rails and angles.
BAR is making a comeback
lever guns are a making a comeback
What the fuck is going on with companies modernizing outdated platforms?
It doesn't have a monolithic upper anon. There's no just about it-that's not a feature it has. Retard.
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lol
lmao
These things are total shit piles btw, the suppressors are poorly welded together and the uppers have a habit of breaking prematurely.
it's the late 00s/10s and we need a hero pistol
M9s are played out, Glocks are too widespread, we need a weapon for the sophisticated operator
and not just any 1911
You'd swear with how often they showed up in everything, Springfield was paying video game devs and movie/TV production to show heroes using their handguns.
Now say sorry, bitch.
BAR is making a comeback
It isn't. It is a collector's piece, just like the Wildey Auto mag getting made again.
lever guns are a making a comeback
Thank Commiefornia gun laws
Now that he's run off with his tail between his legs, what rifles actually do have monolithic uppers? I can only think of that one the SAS use.
I really feel for commiefornians, the laws are so cucked over there.
A lot that aren't ARs, but LMT holds the patent for monolothic AR15/AR10 uppers. There were a few others in the past that made them, but they stopped when LMT threatened to sue. So it's Colt and Colt Canada, both of whom license the patent from LMT, and LMT. That's it.
To be fair, the M1911 is still a super popular handgun, and if your story is at all "near/semi-futuristic", stuff like this was a way to really create a recognizable weapon profile but give it a modern edge. It just so happened to coincide with tacticool.
Pistol calibers generate far less muzzle blast. Just stand right next to an unsuppressed SBR when it shoots and you'll get it.
You don't realize how heavy those battle rifles are.
The MK23 cult proves that videogames can influence people.
We need a cool looking gun. >we need a gun that misfires and doesn’t look that cool for the Jews
Say no more.
What is a monolithic uppers?
you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
Cod4 had one too.
The handguard and upper receiver are one piece instead of two.
We need a handgun for a leet operator
Let's give him the 1911 Operator
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