I will defeat the Thalmor by... weakening the empire by forcing them into a war in Skyrim
I will defeat the Thalmor by... weakening the empire by forcing them into a war in Skyrim
The imperial soldiers in skyrim were already stationed in skyrim. It's a brother war.
If you side with him and the stormcloaks, then yes the thalmor forces are eventually weakened and repelled. The idea that you shouldnt try to unite your country and just leave it broken and infiltrated by a forgein colonial power because it might "weaken you" when you HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVADED AND LOST is such a fucking cope holy shit. He was 100% right and the lore proves it. I dont remember if it was the card game or something, but there is some piece of lore that takes place after skyrim that confirms that he saves skyrim for the thalmor
What are we fighting about?
We will defeat the Thalmor by... letting them fuck us over
If empire wanted to defeat the thalmor they wouldnt cuck themselves to elf jews so easily
It's a stupid conflict. An empire that was capable of rule wouldn't start a civil war to enforce the shameful accords of a previous loss that they resent. A Nord wouldn't expel the Empire just to begin another war (no soldiers were expelled from Hammerfell). The correct move is to avoid the quest and let it all blow over. Either Ulfric dies and the hostility is redirected towards fighting the Dominion, or he lives and his forces are reintegrated into the military.
The Stormcloaks are useful idiots to the Thalmor, who are actively encouraging the rebellion
Or better the LDB takes over since he is the best of both worlds and has right to rule Skyrim and the Empire at large.
The empire didn't start the civil war, Ulfric Stormcloak did when he killed High King Torygg
Then convert his supporters and let his popular support collapse. His claim was clearly not universally supported in spite of the duel.
Yes, and Lenin was supported by Germany, for the purpose of weakening the Russian Empire during WWI. How did that work out for Germany in the end?
Or, temporarily pull out troops and let his collapse happen on its own.
I mean 51% voted for Brexit so useful idiots aren't just in videogames.
This Anon would rather be a Vietnamese sweatshop worker than Korean businessman.
The empire is already dead, the line of the Septims was extinguished, Hammerfell already left and the remaining Empire itself is already occupied by the Thalmor.
The best thing the Nords can do is secede from the Empire and bring back teaching the Thu'um to all Nords as a rebellion against the old ways of the Grey Beards which is the other part of the Stormcloak rebellion people don't talk about, that way they can halfway pose a major threat to Skyrim being occupied by Thalmor and their client state the Empire. Empire cucks need to realize that the bloodline that actually kept the Empire together is gone and the Thalmor already won
The Medes Dynasty is based!
Wrong, the Empire is a literal vassal state of the Thalmor and is enforcing the Thalmor's will causing the Empire to break apart. It's weak, it's dying, and it's occupied. Your support of the Empire is like supporting Vichy France
Yes. And people will clap and cheer the entire time while he butt fucks their country.
Nationalists are retarded.
He killed Torygg through mutual combat as a challenge to his throne , of your High King is a weak little bitch then he's not a true High King
through mutual combat
uses the voice to disintegrate him
wow, what a strong man
he definitely worked hard to get that power
How did that work out for Germany in the end?
About as well as it did for Russia.
Nationalism is retarded
Imperialism is based!
You do realize it's a fight between two competing monarchies over control over a section of land and people, right? He's not but fucking the country, he's trying to pull the wool over everyone's eye away and reveal the fact that the empire is already dead. If it's at the point where you can't openly worship talos which is enforced by the Imperial Legion - it's dead. Hammerfell already left, the Legion lost the war to the Thalmor, and now the Emperor himself is a weak vassal of a much stronger entity. Also the Thu'um needs to be brought back into a central role in Nord culture and warfare , the Greybeards are wrong
This is why America needs to take over the world like it's currently doing through economic warfare.
hurr leave me alone I wanna do absolutely nothing significant in my little country that provides 0 benefit to humanity
If you supported the black ships entering Japan, you support the Empire and you support America.
Name once of this working out in history. There actually is one good answer an Anon gave me but nobody else has!
When has a region balkanized away only to take on a stronger agressor to the original nation.
This is why America needs to take over the world like it's currently doing through economic warfare.
kek
uses the voice to disintegrate him
Yes, as he should. Why does the High King of Skyrim NOT have that ability? That's half the point, that Thu'um does nothing but make the Nords stronger and in a time of crisis needs to be brought back. The culture of the Nords needs to reformed not around loyalty to the empire but to its own traditions and powers which have been lost since the empire itself is already gone.
Nationalism is retarded
Imperialism is based!
This but unironically.
Are those my only options? You decided that since I think nationalism is stupid I must support imperialism?
When has a region balkanized away only to take on a stronger aggressor to the original nation.
I don't think Skyrim is trying to create its own empire and destroy the Thalmor it's just fighting to make itself a fortress against the Thalmor and claim their own way of life while vastly revolutionizing their cultur . In which case, I can name the American Revolution as a clear and most of the nationalist movements that disintegrated old European empires
Kamala lost
You decided that since I think nationalism is stupid I must support imperialism
In the civil war between a nationalists secession element and an imperialist loyalist element where you choose the loyalists, yes I do think you're choosing the imperialism as well.
Oh you're talking in game. Yes, the Empire is superior.
America didn't hold the revolution to fight a stronger 3rd power. That's my point, balkanization won't make you stronger while you are being threatened.
It's almost universally the opposite, hence divide and conquer.
The Thalmor thank the stormkeks for their contribution in the Altmer subjugation of the lesser races
How does a stormcloak victory stop the thalmor from destroying the last towers?
I would be willing to support the Stormcloaks if Ulfric weren't such an arrogant, petty little bitch.
Can't worship their own God because they objectively lost their way
Hammerfell gone
Septims dead
Are literally enforcing Thalmor laws in their own lands
Cuck mentality
Is tes 6 going to be yet again about thalmor vs empire vs locals but this time in hammerfell?
That's my point, balkanization won't make you stronger while you are being threatened.
Nobody who borders Skyrim is part of the Aldmeri Dominion and Skyrim isn't going to go all the way across Tamriel to invade the Aldmeri Dominion either. If the Empire wasn't a bunch of corrupt incompetent chucklefucks they would've just let Skyrim secede and continue to worship talos while retaining good relations, but because the Empire is a Thalmor Occupied Government or TOG , they are literally acting as agents of the Thalmor in Skyrim.
The closest comparison would be the American Revolution imo
Nords got hit with the FAFO.
missing the point
Which was that Lenin who was sent by the germans turned Russia into a superpower which buttfucked and occupied Germany for half a century. Thalmor realistically could face the same situation with Ulfric especially if the demigod Dragonborn sides with Stormcloaks.
The empire is brown.
The Nords are white.
The choice is obvious
I will import infinite redguards
Hopefully it's about that one septim emperor's return from Akavir coming back to Tamriel , probably no civil war this time though since the Empire isn't in Hammerfell nor are the Thalmor welcome either.
True, but in your example Russia was still idiotic to turn against their emperor. They would of been better off killing Lenin on site.
Germany did pay the price though, though there's no balkanization in your example vs the Skyrim dilemma where a region broke away.
Not just that but by rebelling against the Greybeards and making the Thu'um normalized in Nord society again he would make them all insanely powerful so whatever bullshit magic the Thalmor have access to almost wouldn't matter when your enemies can disintegrate you and warp across the battlefield with just their voice
Yes, you made it even more clear. Another point for the Empire.
kek, I mean Bethesda does ho out of there way to make them the least criminal race. I never see them in a skooma den.
The Thalmor having any sort of sway or power is retarded anyway.
"A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided"
Browns are natural slaves
None of this would have ever happened if Dagoth Ur had just gotten what he wanted.
The empire is brown.
This implies brown women.
Go Empire!
Disgusting thing to say.
Ever notice how nothing is the Empire's fault?
don't keep tabs on any foreign powers that might threaten your rule
severely underestimate your biggest enemy and pay dearly for it
allow some of your cities in your own province to fall to pirates
sign a peace treaty with no demands
allow your biggest rival to have massive amounts of influence on trade within your borders
don't lift a finger to quell rumors of rebellion in the province that not only provides the most soldiers fro the legions, but has also historically supported every previous empire until their collapse
allow death squads from your adversary to patrol within your boarders and kill your citizens because of a treaty you signed
Nothing the Empire could have done honestly, they're innocent.
he definitely worked hard to get that power
Yeah? One of the big points about the LDB is he can learn in seconds what takes non-Dragonborn years to learn.
Stop saying this shit. The Thalmor are encouraging CONFLICT. They want a constant drawn out struggle that leaves literally everyone but themselves weak. The whole point of the civil war is that the Dragonborn ending it quickly for either the stormcloaks or the empire is bad for the Thalmor.
To be fair, with the fall of the Septims and the Oblivion Gate Crisis, the Empire just started to rot from the inside over time.
As a Dunmerfag it's my moral and social obligation to shit on the empire
He's right though. Brexit has been a net negative for the UK regardless of politics.
Only able to do it because of a dragonborn suddenly existing for the first time in centuries
There should have been an option to side with the stormcucks but kill ulfric and have ME in charge. I want me to be the boss.
Yeah he was a thalmor plant who was supposed to upend skyrim with years of civil war and violent unrest.
Then he or the imperials got a literal demi-god on their side and instead of a fractured dying skyrim the thalmor now have a unified and battle tested one.
I love it when elves eat shit.
based
I fucking hate Argonians
It’s not that deep. This game is exceptionally poorly written. There is nothing to extrapolate.
The Thalmor are not ready for war, it's heavily implied in the game that the peace treaty is only to buy time for the Thalmor to marshal their strength and numbers while they use skullduggery to weaken the Empire in the meantime.
So yes, the last thing the Thalmor want is to go to war before they are ready.
And the lore of the game also implies that the Emperor took the terms of the treaty when they had the upperhand and let the Thalmor off the hook.
they became the defacto leaders of all of Europe?
Not everything's about big brained political maneuvering, sometimes you just gotta do what's right. The Nords were completely within their right to tell the weak ZOG empire to fuck off.
Two more weeks until the Empire drives out the Thalmor from our land, trust the plan fellow nords!
If Jiub hadn't exterminated most of the Cliff Racers, they'd end the Thalmor and Imperial threat.
Dumb, the best outcome is the swiftest victory for either side, possibly with the Dragonborn emerging as leader. Unless he's canonically a servant to every single Daedra, that might be a problem. He is certainly at least a genocidal psychopath, but that's par for the course.
he definitely worked hard to get that power
He did. He meditated for years on High Hrothgar.
Give me one good reason why I shouldn't side with the Thalmor
Because they don't have hot brown elf women ready for a good dicking.
I side with the Dwemer, they'll save us!
You're not an Altmer
No
There should've legit been an option for the Dragon to just take the crown themselves. Not only is it basically their right but by the endgame they're powerful and famous enough single-handedly that no one's gonna stop them. A united Skyrim/Empire under the Dragonborn's banner + the Dragonborn's direct power can mog a Thalmor war.
For the same reason you shouldn't kill yourself right now even though it's the easiest way to guarantee no future suffering
Because they're basically Mythic Dawn wannabees who are going to get their souls dominated by daedra if their plan to destabilize mundus succeeds
These are posts generated by AI on behalf of a Western intelligence agency.
You are a subspecies useful idiot to them if you're not an Altmer.
because it's not what a white man would do
no one cares that much about ingerland
the empire already allows the thalmor to dictate policy and enter their lands. they are already defeated.
but muh second war
yeah right
guarantee
Is it really? There might be something much worse waiting beyond.
Might even reincarnate and have to do this all over again.
Even though the High Elves are LITERALLY Fantasy British people
So he showed up, shouted at the last king, and declares himself king because of that... why can't I shout at him and become king?
Also why can't I kill the fighter's guild?
it influences the people who read the conversation, even if casually so, and it costs almost nothing to deploy such AI. the intent is to make a young white male demographic that is receptive to nationalist ideals to not be hostile towards the EU.
you may have noticed a lot of "pro-EU nationalist" types of reels on instagram lately. same thing there, that's the latest angle (likely the U.S?) is trying to influence young white men with.
they're more like the Chinese than anything
when you enjoy the early game but hate the late game
I will defeat the Thalmor by oppressing all my client human kingdoms to the point of secession, killing humans, paying tribute to the Aldmeri Dominion, fighting an extremely protracted and costly war in the incredibly hostile and logistically costly and strategically worthless Skyrim, and being a massive fucking faggot
BRAVO TITUS MEDE IV
Empire
foreign
No.
That's the Akaviri races.
I wonder if the Thalmor have an unregistered public affairs committee?
Because the world banded together to punish them for brexit.
no one cares that much about the EU
It was "nasty" and ruthless but that was the whole point.Torryg was basically a child still, and a brainless puppet propped up by snivelling Imperial knife-ear worshipping bitches.
oh no
consequences
that's not fair!!
the EU is the american empire's method of "legitimate" control over its european vassals. this is self-evident due to the EU's undemocratic nature, which basically leaves federal level decision-making at the hands of unelected beurecrats, whom obviously are taking orders from american intel agencies.
even in the fantasy world everything these people do boils down to racism
how do you not get tired of it?
They like the "petty squabbling" but the Stormcloaks actually succeeding in a "clean" victory is the worst case for the Thalmor. The Empire outright invited them
why didnt the champion of cyrodiil just solo the entire elf army?
Oh my fucking god, its been 14 years already, dont you fuckers have ANYTHING better to do? There is just no fucking way this gets discussed literally every fucking day, this gotta be AI posts
Because, patterns and stereotypes exist for a reason.
He was dead by that point.
Because he became a daedric prince and got ego-wiped.
the people that complain about AI and bots every thread sound more like bots than the posts they complain about to be honest
what even is the deal with the thalmor? did they exist during the time of Oblivion? Whats their goal?
sorry, I made a mistake
no one cares that much about Europe, I forgot that the EU wasn't just a synonym for it
i just finished skyrim for the first time last week
No country should want to be in the EU. The EU is literally why Europe will cease to exist in our lifetime.
Because they'd actually have to fight in the most inhospitable place on Tamriel (bar parts of the Black Marsh) instead of being invited for tea and crumpets. A direct invasion of Skyrim from Alinor would be a logistical nightmare and keep in mind that the Nordic legions reinforcing the Imperial city absolutely decimated the Dominion's forces (to the point of a rout) but the Emperor was a little bitch and surrendered (due to fear of losing his personal power)
this is an ELDER SCROLLS board and will continue to be so
They were more of a fringe group that were mocked. They held to some extent before the Crystal Tower fell during the Oblivion Crisis, but a lot of shenanigans and assassination and shit happened that caused a lot of strife across the Thalmor/Third Empire in general and it all popped off with the Stormcrown Interregnum, which would lead to the Mede Dynasty and the ultimate falling apart of the Empire.
This. It is major cuck talk to say that Skyrim needs the Empire to protect them from the heckin scary Thalmor when the Empire already lost. The Imperials are the rats onboard a sinking ship.
they lied about being the ones to end the Oblivion crisis(they'd have an aneurysm if Altmer had to publicly accept that a Septim became an avatar of Auri-El) to take over Summerset after the Oblivion Crisis. Then they lied to the retarded Khajiits about being the ones to bring back their moons in order to take them over.
They also surrendered at the battle of the White-Gold tower despite the Aldmeri forces literally fleeing from the Nord legions
Also a reason why Morrowind, particularly Vvardenfell is largely untouched due to the Red Mountain, general terrain, and rampant diseases that spread.
Stormcloaks
racist
weak
gay
technologically backwards despite sitting on literal gold mines of technology
culturally retarded
The Imperials winning will make for a superior Skyrim in the long run. Skryim's backwards culture needs to be civilized. They're practically apes.
I would take the Nord more seriously if they cared more about Nordic traditions instead of dick riding Talos.
Your country
Skyrim has been part of the Empire for 2000 years by that point, you're talking as if the Empire conquered Skyrim 10 years ago.
Empire
Stormcloaks
The redditmans choice. The thalmor are the only correct choice. Think about this logically. The world has stagnated under the rule of men. While every single race of mer has progressed the world rapidly, whether it be regiously or scientifically. Men in this scenario are literally analogous to africans, living in the ruins of civilizations they couldn't even conprehend.
then yes the thalmor forces are eventually weakened and repelled
Isn't that Dovahkin's doing?
How much will the empire give to the elves before it's time to fight back?
They will
The high elves are literally Jews (even right down to their belief that they wuz kangz and godz and shieet, and even worship a god of time called auri-EL, and reality is suffering because one nigger had to do manual labour once, and they're full of inbreeding defects) that just happen to wear a vaguely fantasy "futuristic" ancient Greek skin and have declared themselves the spiritual and racial enemy of the descendants of hardy men from the harsh north that are filled with the vital spirit of a god of "will". I'm honestly not sure how Todd got away with that one (probably goes over people's heads)
You should have been able to go full race traitor and throw your lot in with the Thalmor. But Skyrim is barely a role playing game so Bethesda couldn't be assed to put effort into making it.
Under the Septim Line the entirety of the Empire thrive for thousands of years. Under the Mede Dynasty its a group of retards. Thalmor spend most of their time trying to fuck the entirety of the world through war and starvation.
This is the real ultimate redpill. Men are a dead end in Elder Scrolls. Mer and Beast or bust.
Speaking of dead ends aren't the thalmor fucking their moms and sisters?
t.TIDF
The Thalmor had already invaded Skyrim, they had death squads running all around and presecuting the Nords.
The Empire did fuck all, Ulfric was completely right to do what he did.
I'm honestly not sure how Todd got away with that one (probably goes over people's heads)
because ironically enough they get associated with Nazis instead of with Jews. Even though they hate all the European-inspired people of the setting, especially the Nordics.
This is spiritually the inverse of reality in the TES universe
its hard to get immersed in the story when you are the most powerful person there is. i mean you're the fucking dragonborn, why can you not take a position of power yourself? the dragonborn should have more options available to him. meanwhile compare it to new vegas, where you are just a courier so it feels more immersive to be in the middle of this massive conflict over the dam.
...Yeah, they're based, what about it?
It's not a vassal state, it is simply sticking to the signed peace treaty. The Talos ban wasn't even being enforced until Ulfric sperged out and forced everyone's hand.
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS BRO THEN JESUS WILL SAVE US (I MEAN (((Akatosh)))). We'll beat those darn Jews I MEAN ALTMER by handing them material victory on a platter and then auri-EL will punish their souls forever because they're his chosen or something. That's how we win bros by worshipping their gods
Under the septims the empire thrives
Like I said stagnates. The world just stands still. Meanwhile the dwemer were pushing at the bounds of reality centuries before. The dureni were exploring and conquering centuries before that. The ayelids built structures that could only be described as artifacts to modern day men. They altmer are still living in cities that modern men would blow the minds of modern day men. Hell even the dark elves beat man at their own game by discovering how to become gods through a padomaic way of living. Meanwhile mans greatest claim to fame is tiber septim, a guy whose greatest feat was that he was in the right time and place to stumble on to a Dwemer artifact.
Joining our organisation is highly beneficial
The benefit is we don't break your kneecaps
Where I come from that's called a protection racket
don't care
didn't ask
Hircine, guide me to the nearest innocent bystander so I may kill them for fun
the emperor committing suicide is just the first step of the plan
Everybody conveniently ignores that in the Thalmor dossiers, they explicitly say;
Ulfric is useful AS LONG AS the Civil War continues
A Stormcloak victory should be avoided AT ALL COSTS
The bottom line is that the Empire is praying they can somehow turn things around despite being forced into a ceasefire after the Capital battle. Aligning with the Empire is you, the player, choosing to stick to the current, failing system who cannot even keep it's own provinces in line. You, the player, deciding that the best option going forward is repeating the same old thing which already sundered the entire political coherency of Tamriel.
Ulfric on the other hand is breaking away from the status quo. Doing something that is immediately detrimental, in order to secure the religious and cultural freedoms of the Nords. Once accomplished, he plans on following suit that the Redguards did, successfully, and taking the fight directly to the Thalmor. Because they themselves know if Ulfric manages to rally Skyrim under a united front they will become a major problem.
If you choose the Empire, you are literally a boot licker who would trade freedom for security.
Skyrim belongs to the Nords.
I support the empire usually, but that’s because I usually play as an Imperial.
For Cyrodiil’s sake, the empire cannot be allowed to fall. Its location within the center of Tamriel is a double-edged sword, forcing it to be either the center of an empire projecting power over its neighbors, or else an eternal battleground, dismembered and laid to ruin by those same neighbors as they fight to take the center.
As an Imperial, that’s my family and my people at stake. The loss of Skyrim would all but ensure the fall of the empire, and so this cannot be allowed.
That said, I fully intend to use the political clout I gain from leading Tullius to victory as a springboard to claiming the imperial throne. Titus Mede II will likely be dead within the year, and as a Dragonborn my claim is divinely ordained.
The LDB usurping the empire and founding a new dynasty is Cyrodiil’s best case scenario.
Cool what has man created in the elderscrolls? They even worship a god of LIMITATIONS, man. There entire belief system is a one that worships destruction and the degradation of all things.
in order to secure the religious and cultural freedoms of the Nords
why should I care about Nords
This. It pisses me off that I couldn't kill Ulfric and make me the leader of the stormcucks.
Unfathomably based.
Additionally, the mer do not reproduce as fast as men, meaning they were still recovering from the losses they took during the great war by the time Alduin returned. Not even counting the losses they suffered in Hammerfell. The white-gold concordat was a bluff to intimidate the Empire and use it as a proxy for propagating their influence and gain time. Same reason the Thalmor aided the Stormcloak rebellion, so the Empire stays crippled while it wastes lives and resources into Skyrim, but they themselves never wanted either side to win the civil war, ESPECIALLY the Stormcloaks because in that case Skyrim would not bend the knee to the Summerset Isles and the Thalmor would be at war with yet another province.
And Skyrim is a strategic point. The province is surrounded by snowy mountains and the ocean to the north, meaning that if they wanted to reach Skyrim they'd have to climb tall snowy mountains or travel through the Sea of Ghosts.
In case of Stormcloak victory in the civil war the Thalmor have:
Near zero chance to infiltrate the province
Zero political influence within it
An enemy fully enraged at them and rebuilding without having to stretch resources across the continent
The Last Dragonborn as well as every ally of his (vampires, dovah, etc.) as enemies
In case of Stormcloak victory, Skyrim rebuilds at a steady pace. The Empire ALSO rebuilds at a steady pace, since it doesn't have to share resources with Skyrim anymore, which means TWO more enemies to the Thalmor start rebuilding.
Ulfric was right. The Emperor was a coward. Hail Sithis.
There entire belief system is a one that worships destruction and the degradation of all things.
The Thalmor literally want to unmake the world?
no but really do you fucking know who I am? I'm the dragonborn. so why should I not be the one in charge? I just just be allowed to kill everyone if they refuse to let me be in charge. elf or nord I dont give a fuck. I'll kill them all.
the elves created half the towers though. the only towers that are actual intention creations rather than features of the natural world are the ones created by elves.
the last dragonborn will disappear into the wilderness and you will like it
I dont remember if it was the card game or something
it is, it's also been confirmed that Hammerfell will be kicking the last remnants of thalmor in tes6, so the empire doesn't even have a single excuse to exist
No Empire can exist on Tamriel without the Nords. Every single Empire that has ever been created in Cyrodiil has been backed up by Skyrim. And typically it's only when after Skyrim joins does the Empire come into its full power. Happened with Alessia, happened with Reman, happened with Tiber. The Nords are the only race of Man in Tamriel have ever established an Empire on their own and conquered other provinces on their own. The Imperials have no such accolades and it takes literal divine intervention + Nord assistance for them to get ANYTHING started.
Nords are the true Men, from whom all other Men are descended.
According to? Also lets just say I conceded that point. Whats the problem? The world is a limitation, whereas before everybody existed as immortal spirit concepts. A small reminder that even the gods that men worshipped want to go back to it, but they can't because lorkhan trapped them, and he did it by killing himself mind you. Imagine actually worshiping a fag like that.
why should I care about the Imperials or for that matter, Man
uses Nordic combat technique in Nordic duel
Yes very unsportsmanlike.
he definitely worked hard to get that power
He trained with the Greybeards.
See
So how long of a time skipp will we get in the next game between Skyrim and Hammerfell? They will want to handwave as much of Skyrim as possible I assume.
I think Lorkhan's ideal is that through limitation you could become something greater than the Aedra, and he was potentially right. Dagoth Ur and Miraak were potentially close to usurping the god head's dream.
lol it was castles, the mobile slop that copy pasted descriptions straight from wikia
By the Nine, you're one of (((them))).
weakening the empire
*dying empire. Ulfric is popular because he defeated the forsworn who were running an independent country. The Empire can't even hold on to its own territory. They can't do shit against the Thalmor.
I should care about Men because... they are Men
I don't get it.
THALMOR, CUT THIS MAN'S BALLS OFF.
Say how come I can't join the Forsworn? They have pretty cool hats.
he definitely worked hard to get that power
He did though? The Greybeards tell TLD it takes years for practice, meditation, and dedication to learn even a single word in a Shout and Ulfric knows the entire Unrelenting Force shout. He did objectively an factually work hard for that power.
sikret thalmor document states in clear english that "Ulfric is a Thalmor agent"
retards: HE'S A TRUE SKYRIM PATRIOT (please overlook the altmer living in windhelm and the thalmor embassy being intact in any scenario)
Reminder Ulfric won.
One of my biggest issues with Skyrim is how much they ignore the Nordic pantheon. I mean they mentioned Shor, Kyne, and Ysmir but never do much with it.
are you retarded? nords would be more then willing to help Cyrodill in fighting the Dominion (as an independent kingdom) IF the imperial cucks actually had the balls to do something
He dossier says ASSET, not agent. You know who are also unwilling assets to the Thalmor in this conflict? The Empire. It's always amusing that when the dossier comes up it's never brought up that Ulfric has cut all communication and is hopenly hostile to the Thalmor by their own admission.
exactly
The thalmor is the empire
It's not an ImperialCHAD's fault that the writing is bad albeit
"Ulfric is a Thalmor agent"
show us where it says that you lying faggot
It's been over ten years since I played it But I thought it was pretty clear Ulfric was controlled opposition.
I think you misunderstood the creation story, but that's besides the point. There's no guarantee any man or mer living in Nirn would even exist if the world were undone. Even if that were the case, what you're asking for is human instrumentality/3rd impact type shit.
his source is a tarot card
kek
typical delusional stormcucks
He did work hard in that he trained in the traditional way for years. He was also well within his rights to challenge and kill Torygg since thems the rules but rightfully everyone was pissed he did it regardless. Because atleast half of Skyrim understands that that’s not how a civilized place works and a government where leaders can just kill others is insane. They’re not barbarians anymore. And indeed his retarded nordgger moment plunged the country into a civil war that would have assuredly fucked everyone involved had the Dragonborn not miraculously surfaced at the same time.
Maybe if circumstances were different Ulfric’s plan would have had merit but without the Dragonborn he would have screwed both sides.
yup it just proves that all the imperial cucks are just retards who have no idea what they are talking about
youtu.be
Will the Hammerfell song manage to top this?
well you are wrong
dagoth ur
Was nowhere close to level of the aedra let alone the godhead
Miraak
A certified puppet of hermaeus mora.
The biggest acheivements that we know about are Vivek and co, and even they were beneath the molag baal. The youngest of the daedric princes. For all we know they could've just returned to their original spirit forms by escaping lorkhans trap. Also "lorkhans ideals" are the retarded ramblings of men trying make sense of what happened. Lorkhan is the soul of sithis. His limitation is very much meant to be final.
Either way, asset or agent, the Thalmor seem pretty clear that he's fucking everything up for Skyrim. I guess we can debate whether he's doing it deliberately or not.
i was impressed they managed such an outstanding rendition of a pre-existing theme that more people associate it with nords than anyone else.
I sided with the stormcloaks as an argonian mage all those years ago for a few reasons.
1. The imperials tried to kill me at the start of the game
2. The imperials are working with the Thalmor
3. I felt sympathy for their cause, they wanted to be free from the nation who is oppressing's them and demanding they stop worshiping their god.
I didn't really care about the empire beyond skyrim, once they were beaten back whatever happend to them was no concern of mine.
I will defeat the Thalmor by... giving them our land, reconstructing our entire society around their needs, and just all around bending over for them whenever asked.
But you believe one day the Empire will rise!
you are literally wrong and everyone who got that impression from that dossier was retarded. literally just go read it
legion wasn't even enforcing talos ban, it was an open secret, this was before thalmor sent the death squads
(((certain))) nords throw a tantrum because they can commit idolatry just fine, just no boasting about it too loudly
this sets off the thalmor autism and they send in the death squads
ulfric is righteous and retarded, the most dangerous combination
he is not controlled. ideally he would cause chaos but never amount to anything. staging a successful revolution is extremely bad.
Misunderstood the creation story
Did I? Everybody wasnt just minor fragments of the different aspects of anu and padu, trying to figure themselves out?
Theres no guarantee
There wasn't a guarantee that any of the etada would survive the creation of nirn either, didn't stop lorkhan and still doesn't stop savages from worshipping him. I'll take my chances with the world that doesn't have suffering or loss thanks.
why can't more towers be made?
the psijjic order got the eye of magnus, it'd make a good core stone for a new anchor point.
That dossier is literally fake you retard.
Hey here's this document that if found or exposed could potentially expose our biggest asset in this region and swing things very much against us.
Should we put this dossier in a vault or guarded or just fucking burn it?
Nah let's just leave it on a random table in the middle of nowhere where any random chucklefuck can find it lol
2 more weeks
If you kill your enemies, they win.
It's probably the case that TLD is canonically a Nord, like the Nerevarine is probably a Dunmer, and Champion of Kvatch is probably an Imperial. So naturally TLD would be connected to Nords.
The towers were made by mer, the altmer likely being the only race that would know where to beging constructing one again.
The psijjic order
Is a majority altmer order.
TLD is a khajiit
nerevarine is an argonian
cok is an orc
i played skyrim when it was released and never finished it
i want to get into elder scrolls and learn all the lore
what game do i play first?
No, but 26 years have passed since the Thalmor subverted the Empire.
I'm going to play MW for the 1st time. Pick my starting minor and major skills for me.
Companions: I never heard of this guy.
I'll take my chances with the abyss
Worlds are made to be lived in. Destroying this one doesn't mean there'll be a new world created after, and it certainly doesn't guarantee a life free from suffering if a life at all. You don't kill yourself just because "minor inconvenience". Life is all about taking the good with the bad.
people who say "ulfric is a thalmor agent" is the biggest argument as to why people should not be taught to read.
if you can't understand what you read, you become a danger to society.
you should just be enslaved and forced to do physical labour.
he's fucking everything up for Skyrim
lol are you being stupid on purpose or what?
He is fucking everything for the Thalmor the moment he wins and gets rid of the compromised imperials. The only reason he is in the dossier is because Thalmor considers the civil war as an advantage and that's why they are doing everything in their power to prolong it indefinitely BUT as soon as Ulfric wins he would become a number one enemy for the Thalmor in the north of Tamriel.
I swear to God people who support imperials have the mental capacity of a child.
Also the Empire is a weak, outdated and crumbling entity handicapping most of the provinces under it, an alliance of independent nations united under the same cause would be a much better way to fight the Dominion effectively.
He literally tells you he's a fucking retard in the afterlife.
And all of them are stealth archers btw.
That depends on the dragonborn siding with him. I'm referring to starting the civil war in the first place, or are you going to claim that's bad for the Thalmor somehow?
side against him in the quest
kill him
has remorse beacuse his actions got his people killed, could not have forseen that (you) the dragon born would be born after no one like you existed for thousands of years
you anon, are the real retard.
worlds are made to be lived in
You mean planes? And no, Nirn is not the plane in existence.
life is about the good and the bad
Such a cucked mentality. You're literally lifes bitch at this point, trying to find sense in its sensless beatings. It doesnt have to be this way anon.
Do you think he just started the war without intending to win? You're fucking stupid. He jumps at the chance to have the dragon born help him end the way literally as soon as possible.
And probably a cannibal
In relation to Alduin ending the fucking world. Doesn't make his stance is wrong in relation to normal human/mer concerns.
The best settings exist when its denizens are allowed to be racist
I will defeat the Thalmor by... sucking their dick and quietly waiting to definitely do something at some point
imperials really think like this
or fucking burn it
let's forever get rid of this important strategical information whose contents are key for our success
Where else would you hide key information within the reach of the highest ranking officer for your cause, if not in a fortress near the capital of the empire "allied" to you where no one but those of your kind and for your cause can enter?
This reasoning of yours is akin to
the germans were retarded for sending coded messages during the war, why would they even put sensitive information out there?
because they needed it to succeed too. they were counting on the code not being solved, just like the thalmor were counting on the security of the facility, which was pretty tight.
how does retard chamber actually works? what purpose does it achieve?
I had a lot of time to play skyrim when the site was dead so it's still fresh in my mind right now.
Even if the dragonborn didn't exist and the whole dragon crisis thing didn't happen Ulfric would win after some time because the imperials simply can't spare the resources and manpower to fully invade skyrim and leave other provinces (which are also facing unrest) unguarded AND turn their back to the Dominion and you know the Thalmor would take that opportunity instantly. This is exactly why the Empire is destined to fall apart.
I will defeat the Thalmor by... alienating non-Men as second class citizens
Ulfric does NOT know how to run a country
bring back teaching the Thu'um to all Nords as a rebellion against the old ways of the Grey Beards
that would just prompt one of the old bags to come down from their mountain and voice-kill anyone espousing that philosophy
racism is extremely fun as well as correct
It's more likely the Thalmor just win without DB intervention
I'm Pro-Thalmor, always have been, always will be.
Not really because the Thalmor is facing a similar problem although on a much less dire scale
If the redguards could do it why can't the nords, why do imperials love living on their knees?
real
I don't really see why their conquest of Skyrim would be impeded by a much weaker Stormcloak faction once the Imperials have their fill and leave
They are? Because last I checked nobody knows what the situation looks like on the isles but going from the fact that they have justicars on every corner of tamriel, things can't exactly be bad.
basically what mao did in china between the nationalists and japan and it worked
even in the fantasy world everything these people do boils down to <insert thing I have a complex about>
So why do the elves hate humans anyways?
If the redguards could do it why can't the nords
the redguards did it WITH the empire, they didn't declare war on them like the stormcloaks did
The better question is why wouldn'y you? They seem like assholes.
People who say dumb shit like this are the same people who pick Yes Man ending in new vegas because "I am teh player I'm da strongest!!!"
Thalmor can into combat and magic. Redguards can into combat and magic, and they're on home turf. They win if the Thalmor bring it to them.
Nords can only into combat. They'd get raped without magic, thuum mastery would work well enough but it takes lots of patience and practice, and the nords have convinced themselves they're proud of being brutish, thick skulled and impatient, so they'd get nothing done in terms of progress.
It's like the Thalmor have a stake in perpetuating this stereotype of the Nords, that all of them are like the companions who are just strong idiots, and in turn they're proud of that image. "Strong Nord Women" are a Thalmor psyop. It's time for Nords to wake up and look back to their clevermen ancestors fondly.
The Stormcloaks and the Empire need to be abolish, Dragon Cult needs to be reinstated, bring back unironic Dragon Priests, make Nords Atmorans again.
It's true in this case. The leaders of all factions are assholes.
They are? Because last I checked nobody knows what the situation looks like on the isles but going from the fact that they have justicars on every corner of tamriel, things can't exactly be bad.
leader of the resistance who can kill people by yelling at them
eh let's just stick him on a prisoner transport with three nobodies
Skyrim was so fucking stupid, holy shit
Objective civil war outcome tier list
Top Tier
Dragonborn OC becomes emperor regardless of who wins and fucks over the Thalmor.
Big brain
Stormcucks win and become a powerful independent and united Kingdom. Quite literally the only one as Hammerfell, Morrowind, High Rock, and Cyrodill are far from united.
Low IQ
Empire wins and now have a hostile region of Skyrim that hates them that they need to Garrison troops to and will have very little recruitment in future wars unless the war reaches them. Just as the Thalmor planned.
Because humans have been trying to exterminate the Elves for around 3,000 years. The ones in Cyrodiil have the excuse of fighting their oppressors but the Nords just like mass murder.
PREACH-
that all of them are like the companions who are just strong idiots
Woah woah. We want MORE awesome werewolf cults, not less.
Since the dragon born is the only one who can resolve the civil war and is easily the most powerful entity in skyrim at the time. Doesn't that mean that whichever side the Dragonborn chooses to side with is the morally correct side? Since might makes right, if the Dragonborn kills the imperials then that means the imperials were on the wrong side and vice versa.
The lore of these games seems fun/interesting, is morrowind a good place to start?
But I dislike Ulfric and the Nords personally.
smart play, same way the us achieved succession from england by forcing them into a war with us at the same time as france. the empire is free to leave and not fight the war if they want
Redgaurds are as backwards towards magic as Nords though.
Oh my fucking god, its been 14 years already, dont you fuckers have ANYTHING better to do
an TES game remaster just dropped, why would people be talking about the series story again suddenly????
Morrowind is the best place to start. I hope you enjoy yourself mate
The empire sent an entire legion to help defend their desert shithole while the other half of the thalmor army headed to cyrodil. The fact that they were defending IN A DESERT, on their hometurf, against an island nation with the backup of an imperial legion, and they only managed a stalemate; tells you how grim things were. Muh swordsangers btw.
none of the main story events of morrowind, oblivion, or skyrim matter in any of the other games. pick whatever you want
Do you think if the game devs knew 14 years ago that people would still be arguing about the civil war questline that they would have put more effort into it?
he doesn't want werewolf wizards
you barely even get any lore in the games, it's too fragmented and shit from reading random 2-3 page 'books' to be understandable. the only way to understand the lore is just by reading wikipedia and watching long youtube videos from people who have pieced it together
What are some good degenerate mods?
Thoughts like that are why I'm happy the Creation Club is a thing. They can't fix base Skyrim but they can canonize fan attempts to do so.
the line of the Septims was extinguished
We should have let the Wolf Queen come back and take the throne
do you think TES6 will introduce anything interesting
Yes. You will be able to achieve true enlightenment and become Todd himself
They would have to march an army to the other side of Tamriel on foot (which means total humiliation of the Empire) or launch a gigantic naval invasion, (which the nords would be in a great position to repel and would certainly get non-direct or direct help from Hammerfell, Orsinium, Morrowind or even maybe High Rock and Colovia) also the supply lines would be a nightmare for the Elves unless the Empire just gave up and became a province of the Dominion.
Besides all that would mean the already volatile situation in Valenwood could become a full scale revolt or at least a massive reinvigoration of the Bosmeri opposition against the puppet government.
Man, I was so hyped to read Potema Septim's biography and it was so...underwhelming. They make her out to be this super badass archmage but in reality she was just a second rate Game of Thrones character
the patrician way is to just hang around in these threads and construct a coherent image in your head from all the posts. then just pick the side you find the coolest/has the most seethe-provoking potential and strawman the fuck out of everyone else. if anyone calls you out on not knowing shit just keep making stuff up, the fragmented and schizophrenic nature of the lore is to your advantage here
the thalmor got buck broken so hard by the nord legions they fled
I'm happy the Creation Club is a thing.
what im wondering is why Talos didn't incarnate and wipe them out
I don't think so. It will certainly add things, but it's a crapshoot if it will be anything worthwhile. I remember the added lore and retconning that Elder Scrolls Online did a few years ago was pretty controversial and its not as if Bethesda has been on any sort of hot streak for the past decade. I don't really have high hopes for TES6
real reason? so the game can happen. if talos came back it would completely ruin most of the story of skyrim.
lore reason? hes probably too high on his own shit to care about petty mortals now that he has achieved godhood.
She is a super badass archmage, if she were brought back fully she would have nuked Solitude. She's crazy though
when fromslopware does it
:)
when The Elder Scrolls does it
:(
and you aren't even right about it, the lore is very well presented in TES compared to most game series
what im wondering is why Talos didn't incarnate and wipe them out
To much of a pussy. Best he could do was send the Numidium (Mer weaponry) to job to them.
My Imperial Dragonborn was pretty evil so she'd probably let her resurrect.
With a Voice wielding power Of the ancient Nord Fart
I tell you I tell you, the Dragonborn Sharts
if it aint made by BGS then it doesnt count
If you mean lorewise, I doubt it, maybe if they grow a pair of balls and make it so
empire collapsed, thalmor march into imperial city, ulfric gets assassinated and skyrim becomes an even bigger mess with ulfric loyalist and anti ulfric factions, plus refugee imperial soldiers being a third wheel
orsinium having had enough and invading high rock, total breton genocide
hammerfell being in a tense situation expecting total thalmor mobilization against them at any moment
among this the last swordsinger emerges, an avatar of HoodNig
If however you mean mechanically, totally. these have been p much confirmed
ship sailing, building and combat
settlement building
more souls-like combat
Any boomers? Is this an ok starting build in Morrowind?
Imperials are the superior, civilization building chosen people of Akatosh and must control as much of Nirn as possible. Nords are backward hut-building luddites that deserve to be ruled over.
I feel pretty bad for Elisif
Empire-fags will always say this shit when the alternative is even worse
I will defeat the Thalmor by...Having an eternal war that weakens both Skyrim and the Empire, which is explicitly stated to be the goal of the Thalmor
orsinium having had enough and invading high rock, total breton genocide
nigga, Bretons destroyed the orcs everytime they tried to chimp out
he did, he is the dragon born
yuup
uses the voice to disintegrate him
No? All he did was push him over with the classic fus combo, and stab him while he was down.
which the nords would be in a great position to repel
Idk about you but I wouldn't say barely surviving a stalemated civil war because the foreign empire was no longer sustainable (assuming it ever stops being sustainable and Imperial sided Nords don't stop fighting after the Empire pulls away a few resources) is a great position
would certainly
Citation needed?
also the supply lines would be a nightmare for the Elves unless the Empire just gave up
Which is almost guaranteed...
Besides all that would mean the already volatile situation in Valenwood could become a full scale revolt or at least a massive reinvigoration of the Bosmeri opposition against the puppet government.
AKA it becomes Skyrim 2.0?
Really, all the cards are stacked in favor of the Thalmor. There's simply no way a Skyrim that alienated the Empire and destroyed itself over it could survive a Thalmor invasion.
thalmor glowie hands typed this post
Ulfric is a massive pussy when you think about it
stroll into Solitude demanding an audience
as a well respected Jarl you get it
challenge the duly elected High King to combat
he accepts(?)
Shout at him
either kill him with the shout or with a cheap shot after he's clearly not ready
run away
Play the game retard kun, only dragon borns get easy shouts everyone else has to train for years in some snowy shithole with nothing but old men
Besides, don't you think it's poetic he used the unique way of his people?
Ulfric is a massive pussy when you think about it
Wins an honorable duel by the law of the land
Somehow this makes you a pussy
Being a master at martial prowess and a fucking ancient superpower that takes DECADES of intensive training is the opposite of a pussy.
cheap shot
shouting
Do you have any idea just how hard Ulfric must have had to train to be able to shout when hes not a dragon born? The monks in the mountains spending all of their life so that they can do it should give you a good idea. He killed him with a highly specialized and highly trained skill after the king AGREED to combat. He AGREED to combat. Its not Ulfrics fault that he trained so hard to be able to shout.
If torygg can't beat a Z to M1 combo he doesn't deserve to be high king.
Using your super special power against a guy with just a sword is pretty weak dude.
super special power
How do you think he got this power retard kun
No? It's literally what is intended by a duel to the death, the stronger party wins.
Ngl in the event of a stormcloak victory I doubt Cyrodiil (it can’t really be called the empire at this point) would be willing to work with Skyrim in a war with the Dominion unless their own backs are against the wall. At least not for a few decades.
Realpolitik aside, Imperial popular sentiment is going to be heavily anti-Skyrim for a while afterwards, both due to the Legionnaires/Legionnaire families who lost their friends, brothers, fathers, etc. in the civil war, and the loyalist nord diaspora that would likely end up fleeing Skyrim to escape political persecution.
If the Dominion is about to destroy the whole fucking world then yeah they’ll probably work together, but Skyrim and what’s left of the empire will likely otherwise not be fighting jointly in any other capacity.
In fact, if Skyrim picks a fight with the Dominion on its own, the Empire has everything to gain by letting the two of them bleed each other dry, probably with tacit support of the Stormcloaks since they’re the underdogs.
you know remember it's actually a pretty common display of vocal skill to break a crystal glass with your voice alone, ie irl thu'um
you know remember pyramids, built before the egyptians you know today settled the area
Tonal architecture is real. We just shrug it off as fantasy but it exists, we have tangible proof.
Todd is trying to rile the Aryan in all of us to overcome the bindings of what we were told reality is comprised of.
We could really shout away everyone in our path if we set our minds to it.
There was no murder! Ulfric challenged Torygg. He beat the High King in fair combat.
Such as our way! Such as the ancient custom of Skyrim, and all Nords!
they killed him because he spoke the truth...
Idk about you but I wouldn't say barely surviving a stalemated civil war because the foreign empire was no longer sustainable (assuming it ever stops being sustainable and Imperial sided Nords don't stop fighting after the Empire pulls away a few resources) is a great position
a country in full war-time economy is in a great state to mobilize and arm itself once the internal conflicts are under control and the people are facing an external threat
Citation needed?
logic is an alien concept to you I guess but they all share a single goal: not getting zero summed and genocided by the Thalmor so I think it is safe to assume they would do everything in their power not to have their entire world deleted also if you wanna go only by citations this and any other similar discussion is pointless since skyrim is a videogame written in a vague way setting up the scene for the next game in the series
Which is almost guaranteed...
Citation needed?
AKA it becomes Skyrim 2.0?
if you mean it being stuck in a civil war then no because assuming the resistance got rid of the puppet king and the bosmer collaborators there is no way for the Thalmor to fight and win a war in inland Valenwood since it is an actual magical jungle that can be controlled by the Bosmer. That is why they had to resort to usurping the throne.
He just had to skedaddle out of Solitude immediately after. Definitely not a coward or anything!
Things were so much simpler when the Tribunal told me to huff skooma and siege Red Mountain
Dude was getting his ass kicked by a teenager and then decided to cheat by using an ability only accessible to him. "Duel" my fucking ass.
Oh yeah, big manly man to kill a guy and then run off.
entire city starts attacking the good guy for no reason
what did you want him to do?
WTF you fought me with all your might and killed me?
Fucking CHEATER
In our DUEL TO THE DEATH
The world is meant to be unmade. Why do you think Alduin was created?
only accessible to him
Genuinely a skill issue
You don't have to be Graybeard-tier autism, learning ONE shout is fair expectation for any nord worth his salt
Why do you think the dragonborn came to be, and triumphed? The world is clearly not meant to be unmade
that is true the relations would be strained but remember that they share a common enemy who literally wants to genocide all of them, just look at how the allies were ready to ally with and rearm Germany after WW2 because of the Soviet threat looming in the east and that wasn't even a comparable threat level to what the Thalmor wants to achieve
only accessible to him
and like half of skyrim's ancestry in the draugr tombs
if those nameless jobbers could learn them so can you
Okay fags I installed Skyrim mods again. Recommend me some good mods, specially ones that make women pretty and sexy. Barbarian/amazon variations of vanilla armors or outfits are welcome but I don't want literal porn stuff where they're just using string bikinis and thongs. I want to feel in a medieval metal power fantasy
Do we have rape mods for AE already? Also, looking for shortstack mods.
I'll play as a nord guy ofc
I don’t recall anything stating that Torygg was doing well in the duel. Afaik most accounts frame it as Ulfric just opening with the shout to knock him down and then stab him.
teenager
milkdrinker
This is unrelated to the gay nord shit, could Dagoth Ur beat Mehrunes Dagon? Almalexia did
That's what teenagers looked like in the 90s
Almalexia is full of shit
have you seen korea
Alduin said "nah nvm I want to rule instead". Paarthurnax said "kill him because he's not eating the world" I guess he would have been fine with that if he did.
a country in full war-time economy is in a great state to mobilize and arm itself once the internal conflicts are under control and the people are facing an external threat
Are recovery and damage foreign concepts to you? A country in wartime economy can't function forever.
they all share a single goal: not getting zero summed and genocided by the Thalmor so I think it is safe to assume they would do everything in their power
If you actually think the countries will ban together against a common threat when they haven't before just to save Skyrim you're crazy. They are not as invested in Skyrim's survival, no matter how much of a good decision you think it is.
Citation needed?
Did you miss the part where the Empire is still playing goody goody with the Thalmor? Of course they'll let the Thalmor fuck with Skyrim as much as they like. They pulled out in this scenario. And this is a scenario where they pulled out, after all, not one where Skyrim is left a wasteland because two retarded factions just kept fighting; aka, this is one of the better scenarios.
because assuming the resistance got rid of the puppet king and the bosmer collaborators there is no way for the
Big fucking assumption, there.
Korea is literally dying out because living there is hell you retard
brazilian mutts memeing this absolute dogshit of a drink as something good will never be not cringe
Mutt's complex is real.
who are you quoting
Why would Almalexia lie to me I'm the reincarnation of her husband
He showed in no uncertain terms how far Skyrim had fallen precisely by how he could literally one-shot its """"high king"""" It was the whole entire point.
duly elected
More like handpicked by the Empire (like always)
The LDB is named Ysmir and Stormcrown. In many ways the LDB is Talos 2.0.
Then you have no problem with me spiking Ulfric's skull into the courtyard.
The Empire of Tamriel isn't a modern day nation-state with a single all-encompassing deracinated identity.
Skyrim has been its OWN country for those 2,000 years and a part of the Empire ONLY for its own benefit. If it's no longer to its benefit, why shouldn't Skyrim resume compelte self-rule?
More like handpicked by the Empire
If he was, then it really makes you think that the one guy who would've supported Ulfric was actually the Empire's handpicked puppet.
really makes you think the empire is retarded
using ancient nord war magic in a nord duel to determine who should be the high king of the nords is le bad
this is an attack on "our democracy"
Just because they fill the same role for the player doesn't mean they're mirror images of each other. Tullius is a general. He doesn't rule anything other than a small part of the imperial legion
training to fight against a couch potatoe to see who's the better fighter is pretty weak
hold wrestling title belt (because it's all fake)
get an opponent who doesn't give a shit about the execs' demands and obliterates you
he doesn't get the title belt in this scenario because it cost the producers money
You are the bitch for whinging about how a position that demands combat prowess actually demanding combat prowess.
Galmar may have a little too much influence on Ulfric's actions. Doesn't remove his agency, but it is what it is.
Either side winning is fine by me as long as its not drawn out. I'm pro-Shor though so that's my bias.
Yeah good point, he should have massacred the city instead, that would prove he's a good nord and rightful leader
The empire had victory in their hands right when the dragonborn and the dragons appear and fuck it all up
Of course. You seem to forget that nords are retards, so when they see someone flee they think he's weak but had he stopped to slap around everyone they would've made him king on the spot.
Ulfric's problem is that he got Imperialized during his service in the Legion.
He was going to hit them with the ol'
I yield, I yield! ...Never should've come here!
but he wandered too far out of detection radius
Nords aren't retarded they just like the anime isekai slow life mixed with a good fight
I only care about the strength of morrowind and the prosperity of the Dunmer.
It all goes back to Lorkhan in a lengthy and confusing explanation that I'm not 100% sure I can fully articulate.
-10 INT on average
not retarded
Uh uh.
Are recovery and damage foreign concepts to you? A country in wartime economy can't function forever.
it's a civil war on a medieval scale not a total war wiping out millions of Skyrims citizens and the damage is not as big as you are making it out to be, we can see in the game that the cities get back to normal relatively soon after the sieges and only a few houses get damaged since neither side wants to destroy them.
If you actually think the countries will ban together against a common threat when they haven't before just to save Skyrim you're crazy. They are not as invested in Skyrim's survival, no matter how much of a good decision you think it is.
No I am not crazy but you are if you think that rational, sentient people wouldn't band together when facing an enemy who wants to exterminate all of them. They wouldn't be just "saving Skyrim" they would be securing their own existence.
Did you miss the part where the Empire is still playing goody goody with the Thalmor? Of course they'll let the Thalmor fuck with Skyrim as much as they like. They pulled out in this scenario. And this is a scenario where they pulled out, after all, not one where Skyrim is left a wasteland because two retarded factions just kept fighting; aka, this is one of the better scenarios.
General Tullius is an open (as much as he is allowed to) opponent of Thalmor so if even the leader of the Imperial forces in Skyrim is saying this to your face then you can bet there are imperials that see the writing on the wall of the empire fracturing and them being ready to fight the Thalmor alongside the independent ex provinces. Because let's not forget they don't want the Dominion to win and dominate Tamriel since it would mean their deaths.
Big fucking assumption, there.
no not really just listen to what Delphine has to say about what is happening in Valenwood
It's clear that you either don't remember anything from skyrim or never actually fully played it
I am not crazy but you are if you think that rational, sentient people wouldn't band together when facing an enemy who wants to exterminate all of them. They wouldn't be just "saving Skyrim" they would be securing their own existence.
damn so you're saying the Empire should ally with a free Skyrim against the Thalmor? that's what I've been saying.
Cum, Nerevar, cum. Cum and look upon the cum
The empire (and everyone else) losing to the thalmor is inevitable, that's when they create Pelinal to kill all elves and send him back in time to kill more elves when he's done
this, if the Stormcloaks get what they want then Cyrodill will be objectively weaker when the Thalmor come knocking again and Skyrim will be next
Indeed.
The mortal races are small shards of E'tada spirits. Lorkhan's goal for Mundus was that every one of these small shards would recognize itself as their own individual being in front of the towers. Being fully aware of yourself grants you the state of CHIM, which is, in fact, something far greater than the Aedra, Daedra or any other E'tada or primordial being. You become aware that all of reality is a dream and disconnect yourself from it completely, becoming, basically another Godhead who can create another dream.
Yeah, Lorkhan's ideal is to overcome limitations and become greater than you've ever been. It also seems like a reproduction ritual since it would produce more Godheads. It's kinda like sex, but on a much grander scale. In this scenario you're a sperm cell.
melvin!
The way you guys are talking maybe we should have just let Alduin win and let the Thalmor deal with it
Because Alduin defied destiny and decided to rule instead. He will return to eat the world
If the Imperial Legion withdraws from Skyrim to defend Cyrodiil, Cyrodiil will be less defended
???
it's a civil war on a medieval scale
So? It doesn't matter if the infrastructure is untouched (in a scenario where the DB speeds things along btw), there's still tons of lives being lost and people growing fatigued. You simply can't ignore the huge effects a civil war will have on the people, ESPECIALLY an extended one.
but you are if you think that rational, sentient people wouldn't band together when facing an enemy who wants to exterminate all of them. They wouldn't be just "saving Skyrim" they would be securing their own existence.
Then why haven't they successfully done so for the Empire? Or Hammerfell? Why would they do it now for Skyrim? Sure, in a perfectly rational world they would make the best decisions possible. The world is not perfectly rational. A perfectly rational Skyrim wouldn't be fighting the Empire in the first place so they could deal with the Thalmor.
General Tullius is an open (as much as he is allowed to)
Bingo. They're going to pull out of Skyrim, and then obviously not prevent people from going to fight Skyrim.
Because let's not forget they don't want the Dominion to win and dominate Tamriel since it would mean their deaths.
And yet they're too stupid to fight the Thalmor to the very last man, apparently. Why do you think Skyrim's freedom is so important that everyone will be risking their lives for it as their best chance? Their best chance already passed. The Empire's going to let the Thalmor walk all over them, and then the Thalmor will walk all over Skyrim, with little competition.
no not really just listen to what Delphine has to say about what is happening in Valenwood
What do you mean? Do you think it's guaranteed that they'll succeed? If so, you're naive. It's not even likely.
the lack of an alduin route is just another roleplaying failure to add to skyrim's list
I prefer this sweet-spot of eternal Balkans. It's more realistic and fun to play around with than gay shit like WoW or other generic fantasy crap where everyone is best friends and there are zero race issues, but it's not quite a Warhammer power trip where everyone is a genocidal, comically evil piece of shit as set dressing for giant men in colorful armor with daddy issues beating the shit out of each other with WMDs and war crime sticks. I mean there's a whole section of the Horus Heresy where the edgiest character possible plays hide and seek with a paranoid schizophrenic on his ship for like a year, it's hard to take it that seriously.
In TES, something about it's more realistic relations is just more appealing. Everyone's fairly racist, everyone has some legitimate reasons to be and some not-so-legitimate reasons to be, some people overcome that and end up being friends or fucking anyway. You're free to do either or both things at once and no one will look twice at you. If you were to try and act like the average House Dres member in more generic fantasy settings where racism is evil, you'd be worse than the main villain. If you did any less than that in Warhammer it's treason, and you're already considered a degenerate for merely whipping the slaves and not crushing them into paste with an industrial orphan grinder.
That said, it's also fun to completely justify the stereotypes by being a thieving Khajiit gypsy tweaking on moon sugar in public.
What is Cyrodiil even doing at this point in time? Are the just consolidating power before pushing back the elves or just becoming more isolationist?
What are the other minor skills?
Also, if you really want to cheese it for your first time, pick up Short Blade. There's an Ebony Shortsword buried under the ground on a hill overlooking Balmora, it was meant to be stuck in the ground but it was buried by accident, but you can still grab it at the right angle. You may need to toggle wireframe to see where exactly it is once you're up there. You can do this incredibly early into the game.
Jobbing and cowering, unless Dragonborn saves their asses. Really, in a neutral run, Thalmor victory is basically guaranteed. Everything is in their favor.
Nords are backward hut-building luddites
Anon, human writing is attributed to the nords, in specific to Ysgramor. The Nords were also the first to create a human magical college, magic was mostly an elf thing before them, the Nord sorcerers were literally called Clever Men.
Based.
Stormcloak victory!
a Warhammer power trip where everyone is a genocidal, comically evil piece of shit
Once again Warhammer fantasy mogs by having both the middle ground and the extreme of race relations in harmony with each other
So what's Vivec up to these days
Past tense does a lot of heavy lifting here. They were great. Now they're nothing more but a bunch of backwards savages. They either adapt and advance or die.
duly elected High King
conveniently ignoring that the Moot is an election among the Jarls
Subverting a hereditary oligarchy really isn't that bad.
If more elves were like Malekith I'd play elves more often
the empire is thalmor's bitch though
you kicked both the empire AND the thalmor from skyrim
if the stormcloaks got their way they would just kill all the elves thalmor or not. that's based as fuck. i can't not sympathize with that
It’s not even the Nord-founded Empire of the Septims though, it’s just the conquests of some Colovian dickheads. They can’t even light the dragonfires. There is literally no reason for the Empire to exist in the 4th era other than keeping the genocidal Thalmor out, which it has failed to do.
The options are really:
Skyrim stands and fights the Thalmor, blaze of glory style
slow death under Imperial rule as the Thalmor outmaneuver them politically consistently
skill issue is not a excuse
You do the same thing after accidentally killing a chicken while trying to save the town from the umpteenth dragon, people in Skyrim are just aggressive cunts and will slam their beloved spouse's head into concrete over a battleaxe you drop in front of them. You just gotta get the fuck outta there and come back to pay the bounty later.
the best choice is to never advance the quest so you can continue to kill thalmor patrols
nothing
I guess zoomers really do age like shit.
So why can't the player kill Ulfric in a duel to become High King?
accept and build a district for the most racist elves in tamriel after their shithole blew up
Sorry to pop your preconceptions but stormcloaks wouldn't further the cause of elf genocide for the sake of elf genocide.
What do you think the canon ending is gonna be? Dragonborn united Skyrim
GAME starts
empire decapitates 3 people before ALMOST decapitating you
you enter their city
they decapitate a inocent doorman cause they are buthurt the guy won a duel
empire in skyrim are little bitches, the empire died with Uriel Septim VII
yes but i saw a homeless guy and a drunkard being racist
Ulfric apparently turned Torygg into a Fallout Bloody Mess with FUS ROH DAH
And all we get is a PhysX push.
Fantasy is definitely still in that sweet spot, closer to the edge but acceptable. Guess it depends whether you prefer guns or opioid cats in your setting.
the imperials are led by a woman lol. no way im siding with them
if you get the dragonborn dlc you get a upgrade to the fus roh dah that desintegrates people like the laser in fallout 3
same animation too
Nordcucks are lucky the Thalmor fucked with the Cyrodill border, had the Empire been able to muster its full strength the Empire would have sent a full invasion force into Skyrim and castarated every nord man and proceeded to impregnatate every Nord Woman with the superior MED BVLL
oh bloody sir, they are bloody lucky bastards sir
cant deal with some bitchy elfs that you kill by the DOZEN the entire game
wants to defeat the chad nords
lmao
imperialcucks are funny
Canonically the Dragonborn just does the main quest and dlc quest, no?
i think it stops fire that can get in the lines from reaching the gas chamber.
I would probably support the Stormcloaks if they had actually unique armor instead of merely having town guard hand-me-downs.
The Dragonborn might become a Dragon Priest under Mora, replacing Miraak
kills alduin
kills miraak
never returns septimus' cool box
refuses to elaborate further
leaves
The way Ulfric speaks and his voice pisses me off, so I always side with the Empire and then deny him the privilege of being executed by the Dragonborn.
we already know
God of limitations
Who ?
I really don't buy any other account of the duel than Ulfric's, because of what we know. Like we GET that Shout, very early on. Everyone else in the court says Ulfric fucking vaporized Torygg with basic bitch Unrelenting Force. Ulfric says he ragdolled Torygg and then just stabbed him.
I'm willing to believe Ulfric, and discount the other stories as the court members merely being THAT degree of sheltered nepo babies that Ulfric making a loud noise disoriented and panicked them, causing them to greatly exaggerate things. That or they're unapologetically lying about the circumstances of Torygg's death to curry sympathy, which makes Elisif and her court actually contemptible characters. But I doubt Elisif is really milking Torygg's death considering everyone in Solitude says she's just a puppet for Tullius, and she seems generally clueless about actual politics. Hell, when we enter the Blue Palace for the first time, she IMMEDIATELY gets overruled by her own steward regarding sending soldiers to a cave full of fucking necromancers.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Ulfric doesn't have access to Hermaeus Mora's library.
forced into a ceasefire
The Aldmeri army was literally routed by Nordic reinforcements and the Imperials still surrendered
Why is the magic system is TES so shitty?
anyone being able to learn anything and not having a world where eveyone is persuing the path of arch mage makes no sense.
beat Ulfric
Tullius whines about being tired
Makes you execute Ulfric, but forces you to use Tullius' sword so he/the Empire get credit
beat Tullius
he seethes about this being what the Thalmor want (which isn't true)
tries to moralfag about right/wrong, and accidentally calls Stormcloaks the good guys in the process
Ulfric lets you kill him for a better story
This alone should tell you which side is the correct choice.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Ulfric doesn't have access to Hermaeus Mora's library.
maybe he sold his soul to the nigger squid too
You know, considering we enter Sovngarde, a realm of Aetherius, I was expecting them to make another Dragon Break happen like in Daggerfall and make some weird chain of events play out, like Ulfric becomes High King but somehow Skyrim remains in Imperial hands or some shit. Or at the least, say the war ended with Ulfric just saying fuck it and seceding from the rest of Skyrim, bringing the war to a ceasefire or actual end and allowing both Imperial and Stormcloak players to have their side "win" in lore, because I know Bethesda historically fucking hates multiple endings with only one of them being canon.
you said something, bro?
Even the "Cyrodilic" Empire was basically created by Nords, and it's no accident that the war ultimately pits the Altmer (the most "merish" mer) against Nords (the most "mannish" men)(Auri-El vs Lorkhan/Shor; Anu-El vs Sithis; Anuic vs Padomaic)
Nerevarine is an Argonian
HoK/CoC is an Orc
TLDB is an Altmer
Just because the universe thinks it's funny
I'm the only person I know who played an Orc for Oblivion. We are a very underappreciated people
not everyone can learn everything. In the earlier games with racial divisions non-altmer, dunmer or bretons are pretty shit in general at magic, and even among those the magically talented should be a minority. The average joe can't use magic at all. It's not because your character wakes up on the carriage to Helgen with flames and healing on his list everyone has it too
Love this man
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IIRC, Shor stopped Akatosh and company (excluding Kyne, Mara, and Dibella, who are regarded as Shor's wives) from doing something even worse with reality. Forget what, to be fair, so feel free to disregard.
people who play orcs in fantasy games are only marginally less retarded than people who play dwarves
That's Atmorans(WSH analogy ?) if you're going to split hairs (though technically that's not quite possible as there were "Nedics"/"Cyrodilics" (EEF/ANF analogy? HG ?) on Tamriel before the Atmorans "migrated"). Then again "Nords" are said to have "spawned" from the Throat of the World directly from the coupling of Kyne and Shor, after Kyne "breathed life into them" (and possibly migrated to Atmora which is "frozen in time"). It's possible these "Nords" diverged into Atmorans and those that stayed on "mainland" Tamriel diverged into Nedics, the Atmorans backmigrated to Tamriel and became the Nords with small amounts of mixing with "native" Tamrielic men. I suppose if you deep dive all manish races (except Redguards - or at least "pure" "Yokudans" - they're from a different universe sort of maybe) are descending from several different Nordic admixture events in varying proportion.
black people are alien colonists who genocide multiple native races
how did kirkbride get away with this
Shalom
Lorkhan is the astrological concept of Pluto or something similar?
yeah well this retard is saving your ass
Ulfric takes the crown
Skyrim and the Empire stage a succession concordat, forcing the Thalmor out of Skyrim, which gives Skyrim it's Talos worship back as well as giving the legion a place to covertly build a new fighting force without Thalmor interference
Sure, the Empire probably could outright release Skyrim at any point, but the Thalmor is probably doing everything they can behind the scenes to prevent another Hammerfell
controlled because he was against the empire and not thalmors at the moment
Willing assets actually
he did it by killing himself mind you
In both human and elven creation myths, Lorkhan's heart was torn from his chest as "punishment", he didn't off himself any more than Epstein did.
The Empire is no longer protected by the dragonfire because Martin closed Mundus from Oblivion forever, so the Dragonborn has no claim to the Mead Empire because there is no longer a pact with the 8 (9) divines
yeah and how they will get something when the INVITED FUCKING THALMORS into major skyrim cities and obeying every fucking order
stay with the Empire
only have to fight the Thalmor
secede from the Empire
now have to fight the Thalmor and the Empire that is forced to enforce the concordat
The exceedingly prideful are the most easily manipulated and the most stupid.
You don't understand, he's going to take that Thalmor cock so hard and he's not going to make it easy for them, he'll clench his butthole and milk their balls dry
How mad would you be if the next elder scrolls skips ahead again like another 300 years and the Thalmor threat is old news having been defeated as an off screen lore thing?
he doesn't understand WHY they banned Talos worship
i would be happy about it because the whole thing was kinda gay and i didnt really care about it to be honest
This only proves that all Nine Divines were on Ulfric's side.
Shadowkey
why?
You're shown, but not directly told, everything you need to know about him in the game's intro sequence. You were all captured crossing the border. He was fleeing Skyrim, remember how bad the stormcloak situation is before the dragons shake things up, and is ultimately a coward that was running away from a flopped rebellion.
Ulfric is downright "progressive" in his treatment to non-Men, even Altmer. When in reality they should all be told to fuck off and stop looking for free shit
a random dunmer becomes the next Amaranth
It retards
Falling into banditry and civil disorder to my understanding.
It is notable that Hadvar is relatively unsurprised that you tried crossing the border if you make an imperial DB.
No, they were captured at Darkwater Crossing, (You) were captured at the border as the prison train headed for Cyrodiil
The Empire doesn't seem to be scrambling to invade Hammerfell, or Morrowind, or any of the other provinces that seceded before. Nor is the Thalmor, for that matter. After the war is over, it's more likely that Skyrim and the Empire would at least try to cooperate. For one, the Emperor felt comfortable enough going to Solitude, which can happen even if the city is under the imminent threat of a Stormcloak siege, or even entirely in their control. Another is that the Emperor's cousin was going to marry into a family of pretty prominent Stormcloak supporters before the whole Dark Brotherhood thing. The main issue for the Empire is that they won't be able to just take resources from Skyrim, but now will have to trade for those or negotiate deals. The marriage thing is likely meant to be part of those negotiations, you have the son of a guy who helps to bankroll the Stormcloaks and a priestess of Talos marrying the Emperor's own flesh and blood, who also has control of the East Empire Company. No fucking way that isn't some kind of trade arrangement, at least a little.
Actually now that I think about that, the climax of the DB questline was probably a dead giveaway that the Stormcloaks were always canonically meant to win and the story moves forward to independent allied provinces taking on the Thalmor.
Why is that glass not full of delicious I mean DISGUSTING piss-skin knife ear piss
anon let me tell you something, mmmmm mmmm YOU WERE ALREADY FIGHTING THE THALMORS AND THE EMPIRE
implying it isn't
It's unironically parallel to the real life situation of Jews and men (even though I'll get banned for saying that and I don't know how Todd got away with that) and I'm not just talking on a material geopolitical level but a "deeper" spiritual level. The TL;DR of it is essentially "WE WUZ KANGZ and shieeet and it's men's fault that we had to do physical labour once or something". There's genuinely strong analogy to the IRL Semitic "mysticism" that again roughly comes down to seething about how they've somehow been sundered from their divinity and it's somehow everyone else's fault and want to return to a state of static "spirit". Lorkhan meanwhile has some cryptic but obvious comparisons to the "deeper" reading of gods like Odin with the whole breath of life and "will" thing and how life is a big hard struggle to reach a forbidden esoteric knowledge, even the whole outlaw/king simultaneous dichotomy
I like Altmers for their autism, but HOLY FUCK the Thalmor is full of retards
papas & mamas make you a comfy planet to live on
one of them even swears to protect said realm from stupid daedra
another gladly explains that you cannot reach divinity without seeing the bars of your cell hence only mortals can truly ascend, to Dream, if they're based enough
meanwhile the altmer
NOOOOOOO IT WAS SO GOOD TO BE PRIMORDIAL SPIRITS WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF PURPOSE OR TIME I WANT TO DISSOLVE INTO NOTHINGNESS THIS LIFE IS SO STUPID
therefore we need to delet the only 'oasis' of sentient life in the middle of grey maybe
I'm so fucking mad
what is providence
routs your entire army with ONE (1) Nord legion
Not sure where this fits in, but wasn't it lore that High Elves undergo ethnic culling of their own kids to ensure only desirable traits are passed on? Like they'll have a decent number of kids and just kill most of them because they weren't literally perfect to them. I recall hearing that in Morrowind.
The Toddhead is the final step, beyond Amaranth
I think it's worth noting that it was stated multiple times that the elves aren't really metaphysically special. All the men and mer came from Nirn. They were never primordial spirits in a way Thalmor wants to meme themselves into. Aka they're just mere mortals like men.
There is nothing wrong with them wanting to break the reality prison matrix and reunite with the divine essence.
They can to kill themselves with approximately the same result. No need to drag everyone else in it.
mechanically interesting
The trend would not project such a deviation; there will be two skills - UNGA BUNGA and ZAP BOOM, two attributes - Health and Stamina, two spell effects - damage and heal.
Why did he do it
Do what, exactly
thanks idiots now i want to play skyrim
They'll go to an afterlife. It's not reversing the created complex which they've been integrated it.
What do you think the Last Dragonborn is (he's also an aspect of Akatosh)
Ask mehrunes to erase them from reality with his razor
nobody knows
Mundus
i hate mundus
To give you freedom
empirefags lol
The fact that Altmer are naturally proficient in magic gives some truth to their claim. Magic comes from Aetherius and so being able to control it means you have some connection to the divine. Nords used to be proficient in magic too, but that time has since passed and they choose to shun it altogether
he was a retard but at least he didn't try to cut my head for absolutely no reason, even the horse thief had a reason.
Almalexia could definitely beat me in a duel of SEX
Would Alduin eating the world achieve the Thalmor's ultimate goals ?
industrial orphan grinder
Lel
are naturally proficient in magic
Because of their genes and age. Altmers barely allowed anyone without said magic talent to exist, and the same genes passed down to bretons. It's not the case with dunmers or especially not with bosmers.
Unfortunately false, the Stormcloaks are practically "moderates" and Ulfric isn't even a racist
before pushing back the elves
One day dude, maybe next year, trust the plan
surrenders to Elves that literally fled in terror from a single Nord battalion
surrenders to a defeated routed army
No wonder Titus Mede hired the DB to assasinate himself
Martin was the last decent emperor
Because he's gay lmao
martin was the last emperor
titty mead is not my emperor ok
fucked a 16 y.o. dunmer girl
gay
it was up to the Nords to resolve the Dunmer refugee crisis and the Markarth Incident on their own because the Empire has been incapable of protecting and caring for its subjects for over 200 years
Not entirely true, though not entirely false either. Any Nord can learn the Way of the Voice by studying with the Greybeards, given enough ambition and dedication. My shouting Torygg to the ground proved he had neither. However, it was my sword piercing his heart that killed him.
Nord women are the second most racist on the continent
Yeah that's a pretty fantastic starting build. You'll quickly get an unbreakable amount of HP.
Just be sure to buy an actual sword from the trader instead of getting trolled by the dagger in the Census Office that you don't have the skills to use.
Humans were created by Shor/Lorkhan, the god that also masterminded the birth of Mundus, which caused most of the Aedra to die and/or decay into mortal beings, like Elves.
The Altmer believe that by destroying the Towers and unmaking Mundus, they can become Aedra again. They won't succeed, and their final fate will be absolute annihilation by Numidium's hands, at the end of the Fifth Era.
Technically they're all "Elnofey" (?) descendants but what likely differs is what spirits they're "descendants" of, with mer being "Anuic" and men essentially being Lorkhan's favoured bet having that "spark" in them to ultimately achieve Amaranth but keep in mind it was supposedly a Dunmer that extracanonically pulled it off. So there is a metaphysical and spiritual difference but depending on what way the lore is interpreted they literally have a "direct" common ancestor and diverged or had a "further up" common "metaphysical" ancestor and are ultimately "birthed" by some divines anyway (for example Nords supposedly being birthed by Kyne and Shor - though that seems to be intended to be read as "mythical" and metaphorical)
Because of their genes
where do you think those genes came from?
It's not the case with dunmers or especially not with bosmers.
Dunmer were cursed by the Daedra and Bosmer are that superficially resemble elves
he wanted to make a giant mech or sometrhing and make morrowind great again
It was a funny prank
Worked for Hammerfell.
I wish Nord women were real
literally the "my ancestors :)" maymay
Everyone except for argonians are of the Ehlnofey. All the spirits are of the same nature. There are no daedras and aedras. Only the spirits who helped to build Mundus and those who did not.
Elves are retards.