I am convinced that most of this series' fans will never be happy with what Nintendo does with it

people still complained

Of course they did, nobody expected Nintendo to remake the first NES game but with gmod abilities and less enemy variety.

Zelda's biggest strength is that every single entry feels different from the last.

It's biggest strength USED to be*, the last unique game that wasnt botw/recycling botw again was Skyward Sword in 2011, or Link Between Worlds in 13 if you count the 2d games. Until they give up botw the Zelda series we know is dead in the water and has been for over a decade
No I dont count the new one I cant even remember the name of, it's shit that's still trying to force botw's design while pretending its not botw

As a huge Zelda fan myself, the only time i wasnt happy about these series was at Triforce Heroes, instead of getting another great game like ALBW for the 3ds we ended up getting multiplayer slop nobody asked for...

I agree with you but I don't think it was their intention. TOTK was meant to be a DLC and then Covid hit production. I think if not for Covid we would have already gotten a new fresh entry in a fresh Hyrule.

Oh I just read your post after commenting on Covid myself. Yes, I think people are tired of the BOTW Hyrule and rightfully so. A new Musou game is not helping. I love the series and I loved BOTW/TOTK but the series was good for how fresh each entry felt, and now it feels like we're stuck in this era.

I only dislike SS and TotK.

OoT was fantastic
MM was also fantastic with its gimmicks and world
Wind Waker looks nice but the game itself is kind of a chore. Only game in the series I've not gotten every Heart Piece in.
Twilight Princess kicked ass after the intro. Damage taken is low but they fixed that in HD at the very least.
Skyward Sword was alright, it's like a bell curve in quality as the 2nd chunk of the game is amazing but the first and last chunks are meh.

I can go either way on the totk dlc idea, but you forget that the Age of Calamity games exist too, so even if that happened we'd still be having the same problem. I can understand a dlc getting too big and being made into a new game, but you dont unintentionally make 2 spin offs that are also bumming off botw while also bumming off another spin off they already made

I have a problem with this image, I don't think the oracles are accurate physical representation of the Golden Goddesses. I think their statue in Twilight Princess is more accurate to how they were depicted in Ocarina of Time.

Yes. I agree. The spin offs contributed the most to me feeling sick of the aesthetic and that Hyrule.

I always thought they made the TP depictions with the idea that they'd be used for that one cutscene where Zant takes over first.

I want an evolution of OoT, not Aonuma's rehashed slop.

Funnily enougu, I can ask you the same thing: Do YOU want BoTW recycled over and over? That's the thing with Aonuma, he's creatively bankrupt and would never make a proper iterative sequel like Koizumi did with MM.

derides TotK for being derivative of BotW

but praises MM, which reuses nearly all of its assets, mechanics, and gameplay from OoT

you must be 18 or older to post on Anon Babble, little dude :^)

You need to stop blindly attributing the everything you dislike to Aonuma and ignoring the fact that he is involved in every game since Ocarina of Time.

I am convinced that most of this series' fans will never be happy with what Nintendo does with it.

Well no, because they keep putting out stinker after stinker. That's their fault, not mine. They teased with the Space World demo forever ago and never delivered, and they never will. So fuck 'em.

Necessity is the mother of invention. The reason MM was so good was because they had limited resources and time.
I wish developers would get that through their heads. Use what you have and set hard deadlines, stop delaying. If it's "incomplete" ship it anyways; have your audience wanting more

So, you just want OOT recycled over and over?

Yeah. No need to fix what isn't broken.

Note that the repliers did not answer your question.

Then you don't like the series, it's been 25 years since the space world demo. Move the fuck on, faggot.

709584142 (Shitposter-kun)

TOTK is the same exact game with the same gameplay and mechanics on the same fucking map even
MM re-uses the gameplay and about half the items but EVERYTHING ELSE is different.

You probably already knew that though and just wanted (You)s.

Do YOU want BoTW recycled over and over?

No, but there's no indication they'd be doing that. The next big game will surely be set in a different version of Hyrule and will probably have different mechanics.

Brutal FPBP

Oh no, he's retarded and thinks replying to a post is an upvote...

This is a common refrain you hear from a lot of Nintendo fans. Nintendo or Nintendo-adjacent companies like Gamefreak will release dogshit and when you call it out the fanboys always say, without fail, Y-YOU WOULD NEVER BE HAPPY WITH ANYTHING NINTENDO DOES

Different people have different opinions? that's wild

You're right when it comes to Pokémon. Zelda, unlike Pokémon, has good games.

I'm older than you zoomzoom, MM is more than what you lazily reduce it to.

Miyamoto was responsible for OoT.
Koizumi was responsible for MM.
Aonuma is responsible for everything wrong with the series. He tried to retroactively shit on MM with the changes to MM3D.

You will never be a woman btw

Oh not a child, just an ESL then.

BotW was an amazing game but I feel like TotK and Echoes of Wisdom were let downs

Because they keep making trash.
All we want is Ocarina of Time over and over again, its that simple.

What did MM do to evolve the OoT formula. I guess there's the more complex schedules that NPCs have, but that's mostly thanks to the repeating 3 day system, which surely you don't want them to rehash with every game.

seething tranny calling someone else a troon

Before you join the 41% please provide me with elements that are Aonuma influenced and give me proof that Aonuma was behind those elements! No one has ever been able to do this, Tranny, but I know your kind is autistic so why don't you speedrun this little task before you speedrun your life!

maybe they should stop making shitty games

All people wanted was to not have their hands held at every step of the way and BotW does that yes
But they did NOT ask for

The shittiest weapon durability system out there

Little to no enemy variety

Get rid of all the fun items from the series

Getting rid of the interesting stories with "find your memory" cutscenes

interesting side quests

Actual DUNGEONS

Yeah pretty much killed all of what 3D Zelda fun

not as long as they keep injecting DEI into it

we want more top downs like the original as well, but new games and not remakes

we want more top downs like the original as well

No we don't, I'd rather have Zelda 2 sequels than boring ass easy ass top down Zelda slop.

Been replaying link between worlds and Im surprised how much I still like it. It's piss easy but the really fun kind, and they still managed to let you do shit out of order and in your own way without having to do what botw does

Yeah because thats what majoras mask was, fucking retard

It's piss easy

You don't say? Not like every top down Zelda is a piss easy boring slog.

I was happy with everything before botw.
This guy's a retard nigger, WW is goated.

You're a retarded nigger just like him if you were fine with Skyward Sword.

FPBP

Skyward Sword sucks but it has the rustic charm of the early '10s

This screams to me as something that was playtested and then slapped with "corrections".

Yep. I love Majora’s Mask, but only because of the unique mechanics and dark atmosphere. Later Zeldas don’t have it.

chop chop, we're all still waiting on you to deliver on

True, but Fujibayashi has made a lot of dumb decisions too.

I understand this notion. It happened earlier in the series with Toon Link being in nearly every Zelda game, from Wind Waker up to Tri Force Heroes.

Now imagine this but throughout the entire game. That's what Skyward Sword is like.

Switch version fixed that, thankfully.

fpbp
Fuck Aonuma, I'm so sick of his shit. All the best Zeldas are the ones he didn't have a major hand in shaping.

Zelda's biggest strength is that every single entry feels different from the last.

where were you when they were recycling wind waker's aesthetic every game?

Show us what Aonuma contributed that was bad and proof that it was Aonuma's contribution. Begin with Majora's Mask, the first game he had a lot of influence in.

BotW

Kino! Fresh! Great game. Love the exploration. Love the towns and messing about there. Love the systems at play like rain making climbing more difficult, lightning being attracted to metal, flaming grass being used as an updraft, and so on. It felt like an epic adventure with unlimited freedom. 9/10.

ToTK

Literally no one and I mean NO ONE wanted this. No one buys a fucking Zelda game to build brown bricks with minecrap. Especially not building brown bricks with minecrap on a map I've already thoroughly explored. And no, the empty dark pit of nothingness doesn't count as a new area to explore. 4/10.

Echoes of Wisdom

Doesn't even feel like a fucking Zelda game. At all. I was so insulted by it that I dropped it after 4-5 hours. It has this eerie soulless feeling that I can't shake. 4/10.

The age of BOTW and how much we've been in that world has made people forgot how awesome and exciting the new things were. I remember when we were talking about how cool it was to carry around a Stalfos arm as a weapon and it kept moving on your back.

Breath of the Tears is a one and done experience, please nintendo give us music's and good dungeons next time

Nice try, Majora's Mask was primarily Koizumi's baby.

You mean twice?

Aonuma designed all of Termina outside of Clock Town.

What are you talking about? Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom sold more than anything. All we're asking for, is to gives us some more fleshed out dungeons, and higher difficulty. Is that really so much to ask for?

i only want more top down zeldas. i dont like the 3d ones that much.

He couldn't name a single thing

Every time.

Minish Cap

Four Swords games

Phantom Hourglass

Spirit Tracks

Tri Force Heroes

To be fair to WindWaker Link he never got a real home console sequel like OoT -> MM or BotW -> TotK. Those are all 2D spinoff/handheld shit. And his simple style does work really well for 2D.

OoT establishes a good formula

Majora does something unique and different

Wind Waker is blatantly unfinished

Twilight Princess plays it too safe while hiding in the shadows of ALttP and OoT

Skyward Sword goes full retard by having a condensed Great Sea in the Sky that's just as empty with a segmented, heavily gated linear overworld with a focus on 1:1 combat

BotW goes full open world while gimping dungeons and puzzles

TotK just staples vehicle creation on top of an existing map

EoW decides to follow the "figure out puzzles your way" so every dungeon ends up shit and it managed to run worse than the Link's Awakening remake

Zelda doesn't need to be giant sandbox. It doesn't need Garry's mod.

All I want is more enemies and actual dungeons in a BRAND NEW WORLD. I don't care if they keep the stupid Koroks and Ubisoft towers. TotK did a miserable job of building upon BotW.

You know what feels the most hollow in BOTW to me? Quest rewards. In OOT you'd help the cucco lady and get an empty bottle. An empty bottle was huge, it meant progressing the main quest as you needed to catch a fish, it meant space for bugs, potions, fairies, and it was the reward for interacting with NPCs and the world.
In BOTW the cucco quest gives you what, rupees? You used to get heart pieces, bottles, items, things that mattered. Now heart pieces are shrines so exploration feels less rewarding, you won't find a piece of heart or an item. You'll find a disposable thing.

Aonuma

What is that, yo?

Are you Irwin?

I didn't consider it very awesome even when it came out. Just felt like another sandbox game with some "wow cool" moments, but they didn't carry the game.

yes, just keep making OoT and ALttP over and over again.

*sucks on a lime*
Hey Mandy

totk tried to fix this but the retarded devs made the rewards the same exact amiibo gear from botw so you end up doing a whole thing for just pants that aren't new

Can I spend a week in the Koizumi produces all Zelda games to this day timeline?

Other than nu-zelda being ass open world slop.

Skyward sword had cool ideas just people were sick of the formula.

Link's awakening is an amazing remake.

I keep asking for more TP and they seem bent on giving me not-TP

Probably because they keep doing things that aren't the things I like? I want more like LttP, OoT, MM and TP because they were good. Nice settings, nice characters, cool setpieces, novel ideas. Instead...

lttp but more chibi

TP but bad

make-your-own-fun ubislop with nuts&bolts build-a-car

I'm not saying there's not some decent elements in these games, but all in all I'm just not terribly interested in any of them and I refuse to apologize for that.

YES! that's what we've been saying for years.

Skyward sword was the only one I was disappointed with and never finished it back then. Otherwise I've been consistently happy with new zelda games. I got SS HD for my birthday this year and am gonna give it another chance, or at least power through it because it's the only zelda I haven't completed

fi is dogshit but at least SS has some good dungeons unlike WW

I want Nintendo to use their MASSIVE FUCKING PROFIT MARGINS to make another proper pixel Zelda with the tightness of the Oracle games but the sexy visual style of Minish Cap
but Nintendo hates spending anything but the bare minimum possible whenever they can get away with it so they can dump the majority into stockholder profits and the top brass' coffers

WW's dungeons are soulful and atmospheric as fuck. I still get chills in the Forbidden Woods.

FPBP
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The only dungeons I remember are the Ancient Cistern and the Sandship.

Link's awakening is an amazing remake

toddler toy art style

more fucking kindergarten woodwinds because we didn't have enough with Yoshi

framerate issues the original didn't have

Dampe is worthless

There was also the Skyview temple, Fire sanctuary, Earth temple. SS had the best dungeons in the series. The only bad one was the mining facility.

No bud I WANT Majora's Mask iterated on.
Like this idea of mine pastebin.com/XypAqyS5

mining facility

That one had AWFUL music.

Oh finally someone with some balls. Let me see what you got.

To anyone checking this, skip to line 26 if you don't want to read really generic Zelda fanfiction

I wrote that so fucking long ago, christ

idea

It certainly is an idea. You forgot it has to be made into a game with all the mask stuff.

Yes. I want the OoT formula and the ALttP/LA/Oracle format repeated ad nauseum. How is this so hard to understand?

I read your fanfic, anon. I quite enjoyed it.

I forget what the thing even said for the most part lol. I wrote it ages ago. I remember it was "Majora's Mask but the mask equips to the sword and transforms it too"
I wrote it on Anon Babble's old Zelda general on no sleep

Time to read it again and possibly cringe.

Alright I'm reading it, how would you implement the mask swapping if you're doing it constantly you need to avoid having TOTK's menu problem.
Questions about the plot. If Link dies then he cannot be the Hero's Shade in Twilight Princess. Also this takes place after BOTW? The Yiga being there.
Ganondorf reincarnated? He doesn't really reincarnate.

biggest gripe with nu-Zelda is the inventory system and item usage

get to the bomb/arrow part

T-thanks. I don't even remember most of it so I have to read it again myself.

I enjoyed it. The part about the female genderbent Link traveling back in time to have lesbian sex with Ruto, before using the Great Deku tree to give you magical wood to impregnate her? That part was a little weird.

All Nintendo has to do is retread Ocarina of Time for eternity and everyone will be happy. Notice that the complaints and dislike for OoT, MM, WW, TP, and SS are much, much less than all of the Zelda games not done in that style.

Key combos? Idk.

KEK

The next Zelda game should bring back Kinstones.

most of this series' fans

old fans moved on to Dark Souls, the new fanbase is ecstatic with BOTW and BOTW 2

After a certain point it basically becomes things from BotW and TotK, but with masks instead of a tablet. You even came up with a mask that just calls a horse.

I've never played a Souls game. Are they worth the effort?

Also this takes place after BOTW? The Yiga being there.

Eh as far as I'm concerned you can do whatever you want with Zelda elements.
Hang the "timeline". Espeically if you're going to Termina

If they actually made a good game in any one of those styles I would be happy.

They're easy, just with an obtuse learning curve.
If they were actually ball-bustingly hard, Dark Souls wouldn't be so popular and Elden Ring wouldn't have sold 30 million copies.

I remember NOT liking the signals BOTW was giving so I wrote this thing up.
It's hilarious if I ended making all the same systems anyway. I probably had something else in mind. idk

I cleaned your image for you, champ.

Thanks, fellow Groosechad.

The next Zelda should bring back cute Kokiri girls. Looking for Deku nuts.

Absolute Madlad.

They are like the Sonic fanbase desu

This was pre BotW mind you. Right on the cusp of it. The menuing debacle wasn't known to me yet but, yeah, the arrow thing as I presented it would need work huh?

I play both, Souls doesn't scratch the Zelda itch.

Zelda games haven't scratched the Zelda itch since Twilight Princess.

Turns out Aonuma really gets us

Every single game in the series caters to a slightly different group. You have core themes and similarities but each one doing it's own thing is why the series lasted 35 years and still persists. It will keep doing so.

Not true.

FPBP. Fuck Numanuma and his homosexual boyfriend.

LOL. No, Majora's Mask was completely made by Koizumi because Numanuma shitted his pants went they told him he had to made a sequel in just 1 year. To save his ass, Koizumi's game was cancelled and he was transferred to work on MM, where he did everything.

As the co-director along with Eiji Aonuma, Koizumi was heavily involved in many aspects of the development of Majora's Mask. This included the design of Link and his transformations, the direction of the story, and writing the script for the character events. The concept of the falling Moon came to him in a daydream.[5] The three-day cycle was carried over from a board game he had been developing in which the goal was to catch a criminal over the course of a week.[6]

MM is Koizumi's baby and Numanuma was assblasted so hard by it he literally retcon'd Termina out of existence saying it was just another retarded Hyrule. He's an incompetent moron but he was given reign of Zelda because he's Miyamoto's nepobaby.

SO, you want to play a Souls game. Do you want to play:
Classic Souls?

Dark Souls 2

Open world Souls?

Elden Ring

Peak Souls?

Bloodborne

Non-From Souls?

Lies of P

Pick the one you'd like and play it. If it doesn't click, then just drop Souls entirely because, while there is some differences between them and some will argue about the specific order of them, they are all pretty much like the above. If the archetypical souls above won't do it for you, nothing will.

I've never read more cope before in my life

Holy fuck you are a massive retard. Just play Dark Souls fucking 1. Christ.

recommending Dark Souls 2 instead of Dark Souls

why

Aonuma designed most of Termina. This is publically available information.

he's Miyamoto's nepobaby

But Shiggy gave Mario to Koizumi

I wanted them to continue the Majora's Mask type sequels, given all the cool stuff that game introduced. Wind Waker, TP and SS could have gotten sequel games that had their own gimmicks and added some variety to said formula.

Wind Waker 2 became TP, though PH and ST were good games

TP2 became Link's Crossbow Training

Skyward Sword came out too late to even have a sequel considered

The long development cycles are not helping Zelda, they're harming them. and it's because of Majora's Mask being so crunch-heavy that Aonuma is spooked on not having enough time to develop a Zelda title, but it's that same tension that gave us Majora the way it was in the first place. I think one of the higher-ups needs to put pressure on the Zelda team(s) so we can get something that was brilliant and made on such short notice.

For all the talk of freedom, BotW and TotK are very restrictive with how you can use weapons.

Based anon

They have forgotten about 2D Zelda which is the core of this serie.

What do you mean? A new 2D Zelda just came out last year.

turns your 2D Zelda into TotK

core of this serie

lmao
go to the corner play your little minish cap junior

want Nintendo to expand on OoT like WW and TP, but actually finished and with a unique setting

they keep rehashing ALttP and take six years to dump trash all over BotW's Hyrule

I agree with you except in the case of totk, I personally loved botw but totk was just botw 2.0 and felt as such.
Very cool pic btw, made me nostalgic.

I just wanna say that I DESPISE the Link's Awakening funko pop artstyle.
Bring back the ALBW artstyle.

Brother you could have picked a better example...

This is what killed the sky and the depths for me. The moment I noticed that all of these old maps from exploring the sky give me a slightly browner pair of pants than the last one all while being basically unviable w/o glitches since they need STAR FRAGMENTS to upgrade, on top of the fact that you still can't dye any of them? Exploration became a checklist right then and there because there was nothing of worth behind it all

They didn't forget 2D Zelda. They ruined it too.

What the fuck she's cute.....

Trust the plan, the next one will be fresh.

The tech demo that ruined everything...

If they took the new formula, got rid of shrines, had real dungeons, had real rewards like that for side quests, and replaced shrines with organic areas like caves, it'd be fixed

This looked like garbage.

Cope and seethe faggot. Numanuma couldn't complete Zelda in 1 year and Koizumi had to do everything for him. The result is the best Zelda game ever to exist.

His role in Mario is minimal compared to his role in Zelda. But he was brought after the absolute disaster Mario was at the time. They put out the massive turd and failure that was Mario Sunshine. Then Koizumi came and saved their ass writing lore and creating more characters in Mario Galaxy (Rosalina is Koizumi's character) and he was brought again in Mario Odyssey.

Miyamato is a pathetic faggot who think games should be retarded shit for babies and he opposes writing history and atmosphere in videogames. While Koizumi is a good writer and character designer.

that one depths coliseum where killing all the Lynels just gets you Majora's Mask

they couldn't even make up a set

I dropped the game right there.

Miyamato is a pathetic faggot who think games should be retarded shit for babies

Ironic considering he hated Wind Waker and Aonuma had to hide it from him.

Bring back the ALBW artstyle

It looked shit in both 2D and 3D

Everyone keeps telling me that Link's Awakening remake is great but I just can't bring myself to try it because of the artstyle, it really is the ugliest most unappealing shit I've ever seen and I can't look past it

Yeah, but it still put expectations in the minds of western fans that Gamecube Zelda would continue to expand upon what OoT and MM were doing.
So when WW was revealed, it led to unlimited outrage because "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ZELDA GAME FROM SPACEWORLD!?!?!?!?"

This. Caves or ruins that have indoor areas. Underground forts. Doors that need keys. Make returning to the overworld feel like taking a breath of fresh air.

This was perfect as an artstyle. What the fuck were they thinking with EoW using the LA engine? That style makes Wind Waker look realistic.

I feel bad for anyone who brought the amiibo for BotW, their investment was made redundant with an extra $10 price hike. You know they made the requirements for upgrading your armor high in order to artificially extend the play time. For me, when I finally gained Biggoron's Sword and remembered the game I was playing, I sort of stopped right there. Way to devalue THAT weapon of all things.

i liked this one

Nah, tech demo or no tech demo Wind Waker's direction would have gotten backlash. You'd probably just have gotten Melee Link screenshots rather than tech demo screenshots spammed over and over.

You posted the three worst artstyles in the entire series lmao

/thread

pack it up

retard

that's 2 more good dungeons than wind waker has

soul

the eternal WWfag cope

What is this, Gyaruo Link? I dig it.

In a complete reverse. I know many people that like that they are not just making 2d games that are 100% ALTTP over and over, or 3d games that are OOT over and over.

The core idea of exploration, puzzles, sword/magic/accessory combat, focus on music, hot slutty teen princess that needs saving, etc.

The complainers are the minority. Series still sells more every time they change the formula.

Obviously. It was a failure and everyone at the time called it for the piece of shit it was, and said ti was a involution to everything Zelda was (which is true). You can search magazines from around the time and everyone hated WW. Only after years of coping Numanuma apologists and Reddit manchildren have managed to only slightly improve WW image.

For all the talk of freedom, BotW and TotK are very restrictive with how you can use weapons.

No, lol. The weapon combination and environmental possibilities in BotW and even moreso in TotK are incredible. It's approaching on RTWP DnD levels of permutation and tactical potential. You can bait with food from stealth and leave a jelly nearby, open by hitting the jelly, weapon merge your own weapon with the dropped weapon of a still alive enemy, light a fire to escape the rest of the mob, summon an archer to plink away while you recover... It's really good and I eargerly await your "this other game does it better" reply

Miyamato is a pathetic faggot who think games should be retarded shit for babies

Friendly reminder that he did damage for Star Fox Zero post launch by saying you could enjoy it if you were a child who didn't know shit and it's "fun with friends"

I think personally Star Fox is a really fun game if you sit down and play it. I think, for example, an elementary school kid who plays it without any preconceived notions, I think it would be really fun for them. I think it's also really, really fun for siblings to play it together.

What fans want is for Nintendo to build upon OoT and MM while having an overworld as well designed as Botw. Combine traditional Zelda with the good things from Botw and then most people would be happy.

Too bad Aonuma is a giant faggot that wants to jerk off Skyward Sword and Botw/Totk and ignore everything else in the series.

Revisionism. OLDfag here and LoZ fans have complained about nearly every game after the first one released.
Zelda 2 is still to this considered the black sheep and the wide criticisms it got from not being enough like the original is why a Link to the Past took next to nothing from 2.
Many people criticised OoT at the time of its release for leaning too far away from the design principles, namely freedom, of the original Legend of Zelda title. The nostalgic turn around is so crazy to see because I can't even remember the last time I heard anyone dare retry those old criticisms of it nowadays.
Majoras Mask got hit with the same but also for not being enough like OoT in size/lacking content and the tone shift turned a lot of people off at the time.
I remember so many people hating on OoS and OoA at the time for having "boring puzzles"
People refusing to accept change from their personal favourite title being so consistence in the fan-base is probably why Wind Waker's story is the way it is.

All I want is for Link to be consistently left-handed again.

Also stop wanking the Hylian Shield as a legendary shield, it's not, it's generic knight gear for Hyruleans. And make it big like it was in Ocarina of Time again. Link's shield in Majora's Mask is a small shield and it's similarly proportioned to him as the Hylian Shield is as an adult for a reason.

sex with all 3

This. I keep coming back to TOTK because the fuse system is so fucking amazing.

This some ignorance. You are ignoring the Zelda focused game that just launched. SS is hardly talked about.

TOTK had tons of dungeons and things to figure out gated behind specific other things like OOT did. People called it restrictive.

nta but "weapon combinations" in totk are ass, there is nothing fun or interesting about killing a lizard and then gluing his tail onto your sword to do +3 more damage before it explodes in 15 hits

How and why are you on a video game board if blind?

sorry bro, 6 years of dev time is only enough to add 10 sky islands and an inverse topology underworld. asking for something like actual zelda dungeons is a ridiculous ask with that little dev time

Doing 3 more damage

You mean getting a whip effect to your weapon? And if you attach it to a boomerang it's a whipping boomerang? Even your bad example has more potential than just 3 more damage.

You are ignoring the Zelda focused game that just launched

That's because that dogshit game already got memory holed

the daily bloody seething about it on Anon Babble suggests otherwise

That's because that dogshit game already got memory holed

Yeah, TOTK is still more relevant than the latest Zelda game.

NOOO STOP CRITICIZING MY FAVORITE VIDEO GAME

Many people criticised OoT at the time of its release for leaning too far away from the design principles, namely freedom, of the original Legend of Zelda title. The nostalgic turn around is so crazy to see because I can't even remember the last time I heard anyone dare retry those old criticisms of it nowadays.

OoT was the best selling Zelda by far at the time. Zelda was never 3d Mario, where the 2d games sold better than 3d. 3d immediately supplanted 2d AND made future 2d games sell worse.

That said, I don't disagree there were people complaining about it (empty Hyrule field, literal copy paste caves with completely random bomb/rain on this seemingly normal area/rock/tree) and, yeah, locked progression that easily could have been more open). But they were clearly a minority that didn't compare to the amount of people loving it from the start.

Majoras Mask got hit with the same but also for not being enough like OoT in size/lacking content and the tone shift turned a lot of people off at the time.

Yeah, this is true. People forget how much people complained about only 4 main dungeons back when the game came out. There's a reason it sold even worse than Wind Waker coming right after the best selling Zelda game ever at the time. It just wasn't seen as the "next big Zelda game".

The worst part about guys like Miyamoto and Aonuma is that they're never punished for their failures. They run a series to the ground and never get demoted. While people who save their disasters are never treated with the merit they deserve. Nintendo was lucky for a few years but now their nepotism has finally caught up with them.

OoT was the best selling Zelda by far at the time

So are BOTW and TOTK. Yet here we are.

NOOOO IT'S MEMORY HOLED BUT I CRITICIZE IT EVERY DAY MOM SAID I CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

TOTK had tons of dungeons

No it fucking didn't. It had almost the same amount as BotW. And every dungeon was designed with the same 5 lock system.

I liked Minish Cap, anyone else like it?
youtube.com/watch?v=oxQkt7x0C6U

What does it say, when the critics talk about it more than the "genuine fans"?

I am livid I had the carpet pulled with echoes of wisdom, I wanted a new 2D Zelda with full movement control, better bosses and a gated open world. Instead, I got 5 mintues of that game in the prologue and had to play as fuck ass Zelda. I need the playable Zelda meme to die. Now it looks like the buttslut is heading the new warriors game I wanted a sequel to. I don't want to have to wonder if Link will be playable or not in future games, shit makes me mad.

I think he's referencing the caves?

Miyamoto ruined Zelda with his dumb URA Zelda promises. This is the same generation Miyamoto torpedo the N64 by forcing the console around SM64 and OoT.

Not an arts&crafts look.
Not open world sloppa.

It's not hard to follow these two directives.

It means calling yourself a critic because you shit your pants on Anon Babble every day is incredibly charitable

You will never be Siskel & Ebert doxxing film directors they don't like on national television, you can't even be angry about the things you say you love in the right way. It's just seething, it isn't anger at all, just brainless whining

I hope you've never criticized an EA or Ubisoft game.

Best 2D Zelda game

There are minor dungeons around the world hidden like one inside a tree, one underneath central Hyrule, etc.

Where is anyone "shitting their pants" ITT?

Aryll's telescope not pointing properly

Ralph's eyes melting into the side of his face

This shit reeks AI slop but it looks too detailed for it. Doubting someone poured hours into drawing to make weird mistakes like this though.

Calling the caves dungeons would be a fucking stretch
Some were literally just the room with the frog. I wouldn't call the fucking hole by the tree in OoT's Kakariko Village a "dungeon"

It was alright when I was 12.

be me innadepths

trying to unlock all of the lightroots

end up in the Hebra region

stumble upon a massive chasm in the dark

get startled by the giant silhouette of a winged creature in the inky abyss

activate a nearby lightroot and jump down to investigate

turns out it was just fucking Colgera again

That entire area is such a massive disappointment.

Can't and won't even take responsibility for your own lukewarm posts

This image is older than AI. It was made before Skyward Sword came out, they had a teaser for it which they added in the image.

Because that's how Japanese culture works. Respect your superiors, because they can do no wrong. The most anyone can do to make them stop fucking everything up is to shove them off to other positions, like how Miyamoto is now an entrepreneur for Nintendo's IPs and has next to no involvement in the games. But sometimes even that's not enough, as evidenced with Donkey Kong being redesigned, and the Mario Movie becoming the turning point of that redesign.

Didn't that end up becoming Hyrule Warriors?

The weapon combination and environmental possibilities in BotW and even moreso in TotK are incredible.

And only a few of them are viable late-game.

You can bait with food from stealth and leave a jelly nearby, open by hitting the jelly

Baiting with food becomes redundant and you'll want to use that food for a dish and chu jelly is only good if you're using fire and ice on a respective enemy of the opposite element or an electric jelly to knock a weapon out of an enemy's hand, and you would want to keep your pristine weapons anyway instead of using the worn weapons every enemy has.

weapon merge your own weapon with the dropped weapon of a still alive enemy

That weapon will break faster than the material you would fuse with your base weapon.

light a fire to escape the rest of the mob,

Phenomenal in BotW, by TotK it wasn't anything special.

summon an archer to plink away while you recover... It's really good and I eargerly await your "this other game does it better" reply
BotW did it better because it did it first.

Middle one is shit, the other two are great

Grezzo is more forgivable than the main Zelda team. From what I read and watched, the team was small.

What's this nigga talking about?

Pretty much, if I wanted something different I'd play a different franchise, funny how people claim the OoT formula ran its course but it's ok for From to make 7 Demon's Souls clones in a row and every other developer emulating rollslop

I'm not a fan of the dungeons

YOU'RE SHITTING UP THE THREAD STOP IT NOOOO

You'll survive.

No, it became Breath of the Wild

THIS IS YOU IN ALLCAPS AIIIEE

pathetic

The enemies become damage sponges with terrible AI and no reward for killing them, so the whole endeavor is redundant.

No. That was just a tech demo build for show purposes, it was never meant to be a fully realized game/remake. You had some camera controls and such to see the scene playing from various angles and test the real time lighting effects. That was the only point of it.

The original Hyrule Warriors' original proposal apparently was closer to a standard Zelda game though, but Nintendo pushed to make it more musou-like at its core and minimize the Zelda elements to not step on the shoes of the main series.

They did the same for Faceball on the Virtualboy, it got cancelled because it looked a lot like Mario Kart which they cancelled anyway.

Going by the blessing shrines in TotK, that would count as a dungeon. Pathetic, I know.

Pre-BotW Zelda had issues but at least it retained a semblance of an identity, BotW's success made Nintendo sell out the franchise to normalfags and secondaries, now it's either ubishit, musouslop or funko pop shite, not to mention we've been in the BotW setting for 8 fucking years, move the fuck on already!

totk had zero dungeons. zero

That's not even what redundant means and seeing it twice within 2 minutes from supposedly different posters makes me think this is some dead internet shit

Is it really that hard for Nintendo to combine traditional Zelda with open world Zelda? I'm genuinely asking.

The gerudo desert temple was almost a dungeon. Every other "dungeon" was not a dungeon though, yeah.

more like nintendo never figured out we just want more of this

and no, twilight princess is not more of this, kys

Is ACfag melting down in this thread?

Impossible. Fundamentally at odds with each other

THE GROOSE IS LOOSE

People give arguments against TotK

HURR SAMEFAG DEAD INTERNET

You have to learn how to handle other opinions, this isn't healthy.

Your complaints are redundant.

Daily reminder that only 20-25 of nearly 50 blessing shrines come from "move a green crystal in the overworld" quests. That means that there are half of them shitting up normal exploration

It's actually very simple: I want a real Zelda game with good gameplay.

OH YEAH, BUT WHAT'S A REAL ZELDA GAME HUH?

A game where you explore a moderately sized semi-open world, talk to quirky NPCs with distinctive designs, solve puzzles, challenge dungeons, find items, and fight memorable bosses with coherent mechanics.

The most irritating instance of this to me is still TMS#FE. Nintendo's producers telling Atlus' after seeing the early SRPG prototype they didn't need another FE since they already have Fire Emblem, so they should do something different and Atlus-like.

But the Wii U never even got a Fire Emblem game outside of TMS#FE.

the main dungeons in TotK are basically just Divine Beasts again

but without the rotation gimmick

Yes.

We tink dungeons are boringu. How bout more Korok seedu?

tears of the kingdom killed the series for good, its proof that breath of the wild was good by accident

In my opinion (as worthless as it is), they should hire more people to put out more Zelda games. Grezzo trying different things is a good thing. The worst part about BotW and TotK were they took too long to come out.

"Skyward sword had cool ideas just people were sick of the formula."

Both of these statements are false, the fact that zelda needed to evolve due to being blown out of the water by contemporary games like Oblivion and Skyrim didn't mean that they needed to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Fuck you, faggot. Twilight Princess was awesome. Majora's Mask is just muh deep wacky quirky adventure about depression. Suck a cock.

How is it impossible? All they had to do was combine the 200 shrines into 8 actual dungeons and both sides would have been satisfied.

In what way? Instead of shrines, have underground dungeons that are item based.

only pedophiles with a bestiality fetish like TP

I don't get why they think even the dungeons themselves should have clear non-linear rooms. If it weren't for that you could combine both easily.

Grow up.

I'm still pissed that they didn't make ancient zora waterworks the real water temple. It was right there but they went with boring sky island with low gravity

Twilight Princess is based for making Ilia's sidequest optional.

With the SMT branding made much more sense (Persona was a SMT game). The biggest mistake was doing nothing with the FE branding.

The issue is that they don't want to structure dungeons in a way where you have to go through several rooms to get to the middle and then more rooms to get to the ending. They want the dungeons to be just like the overworld, everything is kind of "open" and you can choose the order you go in the rooms. I don't know why they think this matter, but ToTK made it clear they see it as core element of BotW/TotK type freedom.

he doesn't know

Samefagging is rampant, proven recently before Anon Babble went down.

Because making the perfect Zelda is the easiest shit imaginable.

Gated Progression with 3 sets of 3 dungeons, story bits in between.

You can still explore most of the world, some areas are blocked off by dungeon items

Dungeon items return, but are now core tools that interact with the game world and not just single puzzle mechanics. Ex being the hookshot, perhaps with an upgrade, you can sling around wooden object like crates.

Lock off the final boss, early final boss is such a shit anticlimactic idea

Offer Hero mode at the start because finding shrines feels pointless when main story content is has shit damage output compared to optional lynels.

Weapon Durability is now weapon sharpness, use whetstones to sharpen tools

Ideally, if they kept weapon durability, find a way to make the master sword a starter item you upgrade throughout the game 5+ damage at a time from dungeons (What they should've done with TOTK)

Bring back iconic NPC designs because the mii creator npcs are husks of shit from a butt.

World needs more interesting encounters, not something you can put on a checklist like korok seeds or Addison signs. How about a secret grove with an exclusive knight boss that will teach you a new skill if you best him?

Make it so shrines are gone and are just now natural parts of the world like small dungeons, 20-30 of these.

Spirit orbs can now be obtained from sidequests as well as mini dungeons. Side quests offering exp in a way would make them more valuable and potentially more high quality.

Take away the shit design of boss stunning, TOTK was really bad with this. Needs to be more combat oriented, but with item use to deal extra damage, but not trivialize the whole damn fight.

Zelda team just refuses to do it because Nintendo no longer is interested in making the best video games, they are just chasing toy tik tok trends with TOTK and EOW. This series in just two games has become a self depreciating joke.

TotK had the chance to fix locations in BotW that were disappointing. That knew temple with all the Guardians that ended with a blessing shrine? They really just removed every single Guardian there and slapped down a few Bokoblins around a tiny fire. The rest is EMPTY. I have zero faith in Aonuma.

Really dude? That's your retort?
You really can't handle anyone criticizing TotK.

I'm still pissed that they didn't make ancient zora waterworks the real water temple

I was hoping for that too. I guess it would've been similar to Lakebed Temple though.

The most important part about growing up is finding the joy in life as it exists, which is why I like BotW and TotK and you're complaining about them. I would say that it is you who needs to grow up, but that would be
redundant.

Most long time Zelda fans have migrated to Fromsoftware games. Only people who like Zelda now are Minecraft Zoomers that don't know any better.

Because making the perfect Zelda is the easiest shit imaginable.

Do it, nigga.

ACfag is the only one who hates TOTK and BOTW

No he isn't.

I genuinely think the main character was Midna. Midna is much better than any Zelda iteration ever. There could be a Zelda game without Link nor Zelda, I just think Nintendo won't revisit that idea again.

did you know that different people have different opinions on each of the different games in the series? what a shocker i know

botw

fun beginning but needs more linearity, dungeons, and proper items. the durability mechanic is hated for the wrong reason, the weapons don't break fast enough, you get way too many of them

eow

haven't played it but i'm glad to see an original 2d zeld after over a decade, dunno about the furniture mechanic though that looks weird

ss

great innovative game with some major flaws that should've been ironed out in the sequel
want to ask me any of my other zelda game opinions? i'll answer ya man

Oh nonononono....

Yup, he's the only person in the entire world who dislikes those games. No one else. They're otherwise universally beloved by all the billions of people on earth.
Anyone that isn't ACfag, hating BotW and TotK? Unheard of. Impossible. It MUST be ACfag samefagging.
Just like how every ACK! post ever made is from IAkemi. There's ZERO conceivable way anyone else could ackpost. They physically CANNOT ackpost. It's just INCOMPREHENSIBLE to them, ONLY IAkemi can ackpost.

Phantom Hourglass and Link II aside, the rest of the series has been phenomenal

Zelda's biggest strength is that every single entry feels different from the last.

Zeldafags actually believe this, then clap like seals when they get the bombs/bow/boomerang/hookshot/hammer/master sword/red-blue-green orbs

they don't want to structure dungeons in a way where you have to go through several rooms to get to the middle and then more rooms to get to the ending.

So why are the shrines designed like that? They're completely isolated upon stepping in.

Yup, he's the only person in the entire world who dislikes those games

No he isn't.

the weapons don't break fast enough, you get way too many of them

Boomerangs and polearms breaking fastest when thrown when that's their primary purpose is retarded.

Prove it??

No thanks??

this is literally all they need to do.

seething pokefag

Back on topic

Genuinely Nintendo should bring Midna back.

I just want Zelda to have spooky areas again.

People who complain about durability are legitimately retarded

He was being sarcastic

Nah, the one smart thing BotW does is gets rid of the obnoxious sidekick characters. They're all game ruining shitstains that need to fuck off.

TOTK enjoyers are discriminated against more than white people.

Instead, I got 5 mintues of that game in the prologue and had to play as fuck ass Zelda

I love how Echoes really wanted to push the garbage "combat" where you just spam enemies with barebones AI and stand back, yet they feature a mode where you essentially just become Link and the game instantly becomes decent again.

Weapon durability worked the best in Eventide Island and Master Trials.

The only reason Twilight Princess exist is because everyone shitted on Wind Waker so hard that Numanuma had to try and "go back" to the Majora's Mask formula, with a darker ambient. The difference is that Twilight Princess is not dark at all, and the story is stupid and mediocre. Majora's Mask was not depresive, if you really played it, is an amazing game full of feeling. You constantly save Termina's from their dark fate, actively making their life better. Like when Link's bring back spring for the gorons, which would have died otherwise without him. Majora's Mask Link is a real hero. While Link in BoTW and ToTK is a homo twink.

Zelda took their place, Midna is still more enjoyable and relatable.

Why would you be sarcastic to defend a troll?

God why the fuck did they let us play as Link in the prologue and he plays so fucking smooth, it's like the best top down controls I've ever experienced, only to give us Zelda.

Anonuma had NOTHING to do with Twilight Princess retard, that faggot only makes kiddy shit like Wind Waker and toon games.

No, TP's art style is based on the backlash. Hyrule and Midna were decided from the get go when it was a direct sequel to Wind Waker. They were going to go back to OoT game design anyway.

scrolling through a million samey, worthless items isn't fun

just being Link is fun

They knew. Otherwise they wouldn't have even included this.

it was heartrending when she left and it wouldn't feel as special if she just unceremoniously returned somehow
actually yeah i agree it was fine there, really it's less of a problem with the mechanic specifically and more of a problem with the general map layout

I fucking love ALBW. It and OOT are literally the best fucking Zelda games jesus fucking christ I want an HD version so bad. It did just about everything correct in terms of game design and is a better open Zelda than both BOTW and TOTK

Move over Dark Souls

Peak zoomer.

AAAAAAAAAH AONUMA THIS BOSS IS FIGHTING BACK AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A GIANT EYEBALL WHAT DO I DO

I always think of CD-i Link whenever I see Ravio.

Breath of the Wild takes place so much into the future and it could really be anyone. Her concept art on the WW art style looks different.

Anonuma had NOTHING to do with Twilight Princess

The wolf transformation was literally his idea. Miyamoto was even against it initially.

To be fair, hitting eyeballs is really satisfying.

Relax anon. The trolls can't hurt you here. You're safe.

i tackle his dungeon after helmasaur king every time i play through lttp. he's tricky sure but early titan's mitt is too useful to pass up

Anonuma had NOTHING to do with Twilight Princess retard

Aonuma has since led the production of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess,[9] Phantom Hourglass,[9] Spirit Tracks,[9] Link's Crossbow Training,[9] Skyward Sword,[9] A Link Between Worlds,[10] Breath of the Wild,[11] and Tears of the Kingdom.[12]

The average Numanuma cocksucker can't even do basic research, kek.

Rare Miyamoto W, he's still stinky.

Zelda 2 is still to this considered the black sheep

It was popular and loved by many on release. The 'black sheep' narrative was only put out years later. Many people would have preferred a game more like the original, but it it wasn't such an odd one out until that idea came about retrospectively. Games like OoT and Smash Bros absolutely took gameplay ideas from 2, and the magic system and even the most basic lore that people mistakenly think is from the OG (like there being three triforce pieces) is from this game.

Many people criticized OoT...for, namely freedom

I can't even remember the last time I heard...those old criticisms

That's because this whole like of argument is wrong and retarded and only LttP diehard nostalgiaheads even try to make it. OoT is the second MOST non-linear game besides the original out of the first couple of decades of the series. AoL, LttP, and LA are all more restrictive and less freeform than it, and LttP is even more handholdy heavy (you don't even discover dungeon entrances yourself lol). People with this specific complain are just idiots who have no idea what they're on about.

Anon, Aonuma was the director. We have pages of Iwata Asks with him and Miyamoto discussing development.

That does look like those imp things from Wind Waker.

I just brought a potion.
Sucks how the sword upgrades don’t matter for this fight but it’s whatever.

Actually, looking back, kind of surprising with BotW throwing references to everything, there were no Twilis anywhere.

damn OP that's crazy that different people like different approaches to zelda I can't believe they don't all think in a hivemind like my fellow GODstation chads

At least you admit you're a troll. That's progress in my book.

Nope. I don't fucking buy it.
The faggot responsible for Wind Waker did not create Twilight fucking Princess. The dev team is huge I'm sure other people were responsible for it.

Hell, we have a key note speech he gave in 2007 where he talks about the production troubles and even admitted at one point he walked out of the development to go stick his nose into Capcom's business because they were making a Toon Link game.

How about they make it about the hero's journey again?

That was every single game except the new ones.

Why would there be? They were forced to be in Hyrule and for the interest of everyone to destroy the mirror.

ignorance is bliss huh

These guys?

Helmasaur King is Dark Souls too.

You'll survive.

He literally give in from pressure by Nintendo of America. What are you talking about?

i-i-it's not true because I don't want it to be true!!

nintendoworldreport.com/feature/13087/eiji-aonumas-gdc-2007-presentation-the-fate-of-wind-waker-2

At one point, I had heard that even Wind Waker, which had reached the million mark in sales, had become sluggish in North America, where the market was much healthier than in Japan. I asked NOA why this was. What I was told was that the toon-shading technique was, in fact, giving the impression that this Zelda was for a younger audience and that, for this reason, it alienated the upper teen audience that had represented the typical Zelda player. Having heard that, I began to worry about whether Wind Waker 2, which used a similar presentation, was something that would actually sell. In addition, because we knew how difficult it would be to create an innovative way of playing using existing GameCube hardware, we knew what a challenge it would be to develop something that would do well in the Japanese market, where gamer drift was happening.

That’s when I decided that if we didn’t have an effective and immediate solution, the only thing we could do was to give the healthy North American market the Zelda that they wanted. So, at the end of 2003, I went to Miyamoto and said, “I want to make a realistic Zelda." Miyamoto was skeptical at first. I was so focused on changing the look of the game as being the solution we were looking for without coming up with a breakthrough game idea, and he advised me that “If you really want to make a realistic Zelda, you should start by doing what you couldn’t in the Ocarina of Time. Make it so that Link can attack enemies while riding on his horse using the Wind Waker engine, and make your decision based on how that feels." This is something that went against everything that the staff had been working on and I expected to come as quite a shock to the team. Surprisingly, my entire staff was enthusiastic about this change, and the project on which progress had slowed was given a much-needed jumpstart.

Wind Waker is for adults.

Yeah, those guys. So if it's true that TP was going to be a sequel to WW and Midna was already planned as a character, I can see that.

Thanks! How's this hiding thing working btw? Any success or did I immediately spot you anyway?

nah he's easy man, just keep pummeling him with no remorse and he goes down in no time flat

The faggot responsible for Twilight Princess made Skyward Sword too.

Artificial difficulty but with a fire rod and 1/2 magic, you’ll burn ‘em down.

They're good games but nowhere near as difficult as their reputation suggests, give the trilogy a shot and see if you like it.

His tail aimbots you.
Thank god for fairies and potions. Those don’t really matter that much in later games but they’re essential in the earlier ones.

Don't worry guys, I'm working on an indie game that captures the true spirit of Zelda. Inspired by my desire to romance the Zelda girls since I first played Ocarina of Time.

imp MIdna is possibly derived from a miniblin

Sheeit, I never thought of that before.

You faggots are the most insufferable niggers.
Zelda has always stuck to a certain look for a time then moved on.
Link's Awakening and the Oracles heavily resemble ALttP.
WW brought FSA, PH, SS, MC, Triforce Heros. Tingle's Rupeeland.
TP had Link's Crossbow Training.
Hyrule Warriors was a blend of TP and SS by and large.
Zelda's art style always phases into new shit eventually. Calm your arse down.

Fighting these fuckers was so satisfying, almost every weapon you had could take them out.

The problem with modern Zelda is its over-obsession with open endedness and freedom. Sometimes a little linearity is okay. Sometimes a little item gating is okay. You don't need to immediately access the entire overworld the second you start the game. Most modern dungeons and shrines and puzzles are designed to never require much more than "put ball in cup" because they're afraid of you stumbling upon it before you have the necessary equipment.

The best part of old zelda games was seeing a puzzle or a strange object you couldn't interact with yet. You couldn't just magically fly past it or brute force your way through it because the game wants to make your own fun. Sometimes you have to just note it down and come back.

BOTW, Echoes of wisdom and TOTK never have those kinds of moments. Everything has to be the same base level of milquetoast, so it all ends up being forgettable.

You'll survive.

I'm working on an indie game that captures the true spirit of Zelda

Let me guess: it's heavily based on ALttP/Link's Awakening and ultimately does nothing unique or well enough to make anyone recommend it over what it's based on. And has 8-bit music despite not being 8-bit.

It also features an underlying message about depression and my childhood!

No, it's more influenced by OOT's mood. Also it's a turn based game so I'm translating the combat into that format to the best of my ability.

The greatest boss of all fucking time except for Trinexx. Aonuma could never.

do you not get all the heart pieces? it's fun to go around the world and collect stuff

I am currently. The game isn't Medieval. It's sort of a mix of Paper Mario and Zelda in a way, so it's certainly odd in presentation. I would like to get to a Zelda like game in the future, but to just ripoff Zelda wouldn't sit right with me.

I had like 9 hearts.
I didn’t have the flippers yet but that’s besides the point. He does a lot of damage and 2nd phase he does combos. Also I didn’t know the bombs worked but now I do.

meme 'fight' that just wastes time

He did do that though.

This was the only good fight Aonuma made except for Zant and Koloktos.

TotK did a miserable job of building upon BotW.

another day, another seething anon
6 more years

i remember getting knocked off the edge multiple times

It's not TRUE timewaste unless something happens that resets the entire fight and puts the boss's HP back to full health again.

Took you 200 posts before you spotted me. So sorry.

It's sort of a mix of Paper Mario and Zelda

oh fuck off
don't tell me it's paper for no fucking reason like bug tales and born of bread

GODstation scholars got to experience the absolute peak of 2d style zelda

we literally can't stop winning

That sounds interesting, I'd love to see it.

Aonuma was burned out from being in charge of Minish Cap, TP, and Phantom Hourglass at the same time. Miyamoto had to step in. 1st half of TP was Aonuma. 2nd half was Miyamoto. Notice how all the wolf shit disappears in the 2nd half of the game? Because Miyamoto hated the idea.

And yet I spotted you.

completely fair anon.
There are improvements to be made, but personally I enjoyed all 3 games greatly.

An hour late lol

It's usually over too quickly to notice, but the Zant fight music and all the remixes for the various stages are pretty damn kino, especially the Blizzeta segment.

I do think TP was a good compromise for the GameCube. Still can appreciate the Wii U version having a harder mode if you have the Ganondorf amiibo.

Take notes, Aonuma. This is how you make an eye boss. Not. Probably the worst boss in this game. Kholdstare was better.

Anon, you're underestimating the backslash Wind Waker received. They were forced to do Twilight Princess out of damage control.

Notice how all the wolf shit disappears in the 2nd half of the game

and the dungeons get better
and items get more gimmicky
and all the NPCs get the boot

I vaguely remember this. Didn't Miyamoto have to "upend the tea table" to get the game done?

there are "people" actually poring over every single image looking for an excuse to call it AI

even images from fucking 15+ years ago

I get not liking samey AI generation but what the FUCK is wrong with you, retard? You're actively going out looking for somewhere to invent the problem just in case it doesn't exist there

This is how you make an eye boss. Not.

Eye bosses will never be THIS bad

that boss is awesome retard

Not really. It took one post and 2 minutes of me being in the thread.

Ice Palace is a good dungeon.

Based. Fuck Aonuma

You gotta feel bad for Miyamoto. Aonuma fucked everything up and everyone blamed Shiggy for it. And Japanese humility meant he just had to go "ah yessu dat was me who did the thing so solly prease accept my thousands aporogies"

I-i was only here for 2 minutes

lol

I guess you're the only one who noticed, since nobody else is shitting their diapers over the critique i put out.

The second half of the game was the worst part of the game. This is why more people over the years liked Okami over Skyward Sword.

zoomer hands typed this

Based and fact-pilled. The realest post in this thread

that's a nice framerate you have there

would be a shame if something were to KILL it

and all the NPCs get the boot

Kind of. That group of characters tied to the lead up for each dungeon all get unceremoniously shoved in briefly and pretty quickly swept under the rug (until they 'save' Link from a basic mob of enemies at Hyrule Castle). I think it was mostly the lead up City in the Sky this is noticeable? The whole Ilia memory quest bit.

This is why more people over the years liked Okami over Skyward Sword.

I'll never understand this. Okami literally holds your hand more than Skyward Sword and it's just as linear.

I don't, Miyamoto did much more harm to Nintendo than Aonuma.

Once they find out it's you they'll shit all over you. Like I said, messenger, not the message. Glad you learned something today.

I hated them so much as a kid. They gave me anxiety since they're fast, swarm you, and can run up walls. Especially in the second run of the Forsaken Fortress when you're sidling across the gap and they're trying to attack you.

until they 'save' Link from a basic mob of enemies at Hyrule Castle

Yeah I wanted to fight those monsters fuck off.

Removing NPCs and shoving gimmicks didn't make the game better, (IMO because it's okay to disagree about these old games)

Hey, those enemies could have done a whole 1/2 heart of damage after two hits.

once they find out they'll shit all over you

Two more weeks, amirite?

No you didn’t.
Go kill a golden darknut.

A CHALLENGER APPROACHES

This blew boomer’s minds in 1992. It blew mine in 2025z

we will never get another 2D Zelda game

But why?

If they didn't just gently take turns with their slow, well-choerographed dives, or constantly miss, yes. What a toothless game, even the jankier mobs in Cave of Ordeals fell flat. Oh well, it's a babby game.

MINERU OWES ME SEX

Reminds me of Terranigma.

No that mostly comes from Paper Marios leveling system and slight goofy areas and vibes, it's fully 3D action adventure game with items, overworld progression, dungeons and lots of boss fights. Gameplay currently is similar to Kirby and the Forgotten Land. The artstyle is somewhat inspired by wind waker. I know that can be off putting, but I think my character designs will really shine with the look (They don't look like WW characters)

we just got one

Twilight Princess had really cool Darknut designs. The titular one in Temple of Time is the coolest one and then the ones in Hyrule Castle and Cave of Ordeals are good too but the Temple of Time one has a cooler helmet and sword.

The resistance was such a nothing group. 3(?) of them basically just stand near where you're supposed to go. They never actually help people. Shit, you spend more time with Telma.

It's crazy how bad they killed this series. It used to be my favorite but now I get mad just talking about it. BoTW was good, but it shouldn't have been the staple moving forward. They should have 3 teams, 2d, 3d, and open world. Fuck Aonuma

Hero mode and Ganon amiibo is the way to go, if you do a 3 heart run on top of that it's a totally different game.

It's Aonuma that is the problem.

yet you love his first game Majora's Mask

N-not enough people played Cadence of Hyrule please understand desu

Just throw Deku Nuts at it.

We got one last year. What are you talking about?

mogs the last 25 years of Zelda effortlessly

I think he meant one that wasn't just a BOTW retread.

You can visit them before lakebed and if you do, all of their dialogue changes because they tell you to “get lost” so when you’re evesdropping with wolf link you hear them say they were rude and then they all apologize to you in each of their meetings, except for reverse Hitler stache who isn’t there.

have to use hookshot on each individual blob

vs being able to use bombs, deku nuts, hootshot, or just hit the eye without even removing the blobs

Link to the past is so god damn outdated it's not even funny. lol

Meant for

It's up to you. I can't control your trolling habits. How did it feel fitting into a community and commenting along side fans instead of shitting on the entire fanbase in a vile pledge of vengence on Nintendo fans? Do you prefer thia version of you or the one who trolls 24/7?

his first game

his

Friendly reminder that

transformation masks

3 day cycle

moon falling

the NPC events and schedules

were all Koizumi's ideas

Anon why are you bothering?
you are dealing with retarded nigger zealots that have a compulsive need to forever shit on Miyamoto and Aunoma.

I don't care, I liked all of the Switch era games.

Resistance

emotionless Goth(?) Girl with bangs uwu

Nerd that can softlock your game, SHAD-MAN

owner of GOAT IN farm, owns hawk

old man, I think he bombs dodongos?

At least Telma was top heavy

Yeah well this fight sucks too. Best part about beating it is being able to get the EPIC Golden Sword.

now I get mad just talking about it

LMAO imagine being this pathetic.

They're like a fusion of OOT's Iron Knuckles with WW's Darknuts.

I just wish they hit harder

but hard mode

Bandaid solution

To me the Zelda games were always about exploration, finding hidden secrets, puzzles, using items to solve problems, etc. The combat has never been the draw. Big open worlds are just shallow and uninteresting to explore, simple as. I won't play another Zelda game unless they make more interesting worlds to explore again. And it would be nice if they put actually challenging puzzles in the games.

How did it feel fitting into a community and commenting along side fans

Except I criticized Zelda by saying things like "i didn't like the new dungeons or game mechanics". You just admitted that it isn't shitposting to say this, and it looks like nobody cared about the messenger.

Don't bother, people who blame Aonuma for everything are zoomers parroting their favorite youtubers.

sues them for ripping off Star Fox and Zelda

This guy was so cool

Shit, you spend more time with Telma.

I cared more about Telma than the entire group+Link's village dad and not just because she was a plump, fat titty Gerudo with a massive ass and dick sucking lips

No one talks about it

People keep talking about Zelda

Hmmm...

The ganondorf mode mostly just makes the early game and Lanayru twilight harder.
It can build up in Cave of Ordeals but the Darknuts are just “poke after they attack” in first phase and then spam super spin attacks or side roll swipes for 2nd phase.
The most annoying enemy in TP are the ganks of the ice soldiers but it doesn’t matter in base game or normal hero mode.

Was she even an actual Gerudo? I thought they were extinct by Twilight Princess.
I know the fortune teller is a sheikah alongside Impaz. Remember Impaz? That was a character that existed.

THIS NEW INDIE GAME DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T WITH THE ZELDA SERIES

play it

it's...okay

remember very little

Many such cases.

He thinks Nintendo sues anything starfox related

It's like the only series that genuinely deserves their C&D purging too, yet the glaze over it.

The best Zelda in the entire franchise I am talking about the character herself

but she is a crazy bitch in here

Can you fucking blame her? Anyone would’ve lost his mind instead of sitting down and praying for the hero to save her

The GREATEST 2D Zelda boss of all time. You cannot get better than this. Hell yes.

She has Gerudo traits. We don't know what happened to the Gerudo in TP, some people believed they are the tribe that became the Twili.

Except I criticized Zelda by saying things like "i didn't like the new dungeons or game mechanics"

What's your point? That's game discussion. You are only ever attacked when you lie or make it obvious that you are ACfag. Like I said, the messenger, not the message, was the problem. And here you thought we couldn't handle criticism. Glad to prove you wrong.

She looks like one and her dress has a similar pattern. I assumed by TP they race mixed too hard.

Skyward sword was the beginning of the end

Dark Souls is easily the closest thing you'll find to the "spirit of adventure" you get from OoT. There's nothing else where you have all these strange mechanics you have to figure out, you're genuinely not sure if some random thing is actually the key to some significant secret and any part might end up leading to some new section you didn't know about initially. No Zelda fan should sleep on Dark Souls.

Why did they make the bosses retarded easy for the rest of the series. ALBW is the only game that also had normal bosses.

Calm down, Renado...

i can't remember anything about this game other than zelda being a ghost, is it possible to emulate it on melonds without too much hassle?

That’d explain why she’s fat. I thought Gerudo couldn’t get fat, they’re all skinny.
BOTW had fat gerudo though.

that's game discussion

So it's not lying. which means you were wrong before. Also, still not seeing that tidal wave of hate you spoke of. Glad to prove YOU wrong.

No I want aLttp recycled over and over.

Spirit Tracks had trains in it.

No we don't.

Renado doesn’t actually like her. He said he couldn’t stand being around her probably because his previous wife died or something idk he’s Native American.

I remember when people shat on Toon Link for being NOT THE REAL ZELDA REEEEE and turns out his games were my favorite
Nice image btw

too much blame
too little credit
Aonuma for president.

I believe they are genuinely afraid
They had to know about the horny fanbase

where did I say "we"

My bad nigga, I misread your post.

No you're still a known liar and troll. That will never change and it's a reputation you will carry for life, and one I'll make sure other people know as well. All you can do is be better at hiding your identity, like in this thread.

*ahem*

Congrats brothers, we had a normal Zelda thread that didn't consist of Zelda Female posting as a crutch.

I’ve heard the CDI games are actually pretty hard but I’m never ever going to play them.

Sounds like nobody cares but you.

It's alirght, I hope they make other kinds of games too.

Skyward sword was the last good Zelda game

I disagree with you but I respect Skyward Sword enjoyers so I need to kneel.

Fine by me.

They're hard for the wrong reasons. The ones that play like Zelda 2 have retarded hit boxes, no post hit invulnerability, dogshit controls used for platforming, and awful level design.

And yet it still has 6 dungeons.
You faggots can piss and shit over this till you die, but BotW had 5, TotK had 6.
And trying to make the number a contraversal point is beyond retarded.
WW is rarely bitched at for this. Same for PH. MM.
You cunts just want to craft up excuses to be mad.

Her being a crazy bitch is what makes her the best Zelda, I like how she'll attack you if you hit her phantom enough

You're not anyone's brother here.

The updated version they recently put out isn't so bad.

Zelda 1 could never
Zelda 2 could never
OoT could never
Wind Waker onwards could never
Majora’s Mask final boss was better but this is the best Ganon. Kneel, Aonuma. You suck at video games.

People have issue with the quality of the dungeons. And IMO nothing tops the Oracle games. They were the last to truly retain that magic.

True

Nobody cared by the time Hyrule Warriors came out.

Hur dur people will never have fun with unfun things nintendo does for stupid reasons.

No shit sherlock. It's not people's job to be happy with subpar game slop that actively tries to be unfun.

It's Nintendo's job to make fun games that people will like... and they'll never do that because Nintendo is allergic to fun and good design and prefer poorly implemented novelty to hock half assed crap onto society.

Honestly gaming would be better if they just died out and indie devs took over spiritual successors and made decent games... but it's not like Nintendo is the only doing garbage. It's a problem with capital and intellectual property that has the emergence property of creating slop producers...

Miniblins were the most interesting thing WW came up with and its bizarre how the series just forgot about them. Like, Bobokins were originally a WW invention, they weren't even a thing prior to that game, and yet the miniblins were the far more interesting enemy since it's not normal for something so fast and hard to hit to assault you in groups in a 3D Zelda. But the series now treats the Bobokin like it was always the main 'staple enemy', which is boring.

Another proof that Aonuma has almost nothing to do with MM is that he left the (now defunct) remake of the game in the 3DS in the hands of Koizumi. Besides leaving it completely out of the official Chronology.

WW is rarely bitched at for this

The most common complaint after the sailing is always the dungeons.

Same for MM

Nice revisionism. It was always criticized for having less dungeons than OoT.

Are you seriously counting that shitass 5 minute hallway to ganondorf or that massacred Hyrule Castle enemy spam slop?

I just want romhacks but with a big budget so we get more interesting mechanics and more complex and bigger dungeons. I don't know why it's so hard to get something like this.

It isn't at all but Anon Babble won't ever have an earnest discussion on this topic and you know that.

I miss fishing in Zelda games.

BotW had 5, TotK had 6.

BotW's 5 were better. Which is sad because they were not that good.

BotW and Tears not having fishing was a baffling decision.

Hyrule Warriors

I doubt most hardcore fans even acknowledge this game’s existence
Didn’t help they made multiple versions between wiiu, 3DS and iirc 2 versions in Switch

Why was Link trying to stop Ganon from unflooding the world?

nta and no idea what they did for totk's but botw's final dungeon was the only good one. although von camelhousen wasn't terrible either frankly, if it only it were longer

Hyrule Castle is the only good dungeon in all of BOTW and TOTK.

Because a talking boat told him to.

WAIT WHAT? I didn’t play them yet but I could’ve sworn I saw pictures of fishing minigame
I definitely mixed it up

There’s bomb fishing.
Not actual fishing.

Worth it because the first half is the better part.
The biggest complain was the Triforce pieces, it was so bad that Aonuma apologized post-launch. Makes no sense WW is on NSO when the remake made that part much shorter on the Wii U version.

Same.
You know what was baffling to me? That TOTK with so much disposable equipment, is the game with the least threatening Like Likes. They don't even eat your shit.

Yeah, they ruined what was a pretty damn good dungeon in BOTW. They tore it in half, but it in the sky and they make you run around the castle and fight 5 waves of enemies, the boss fight of the area is just a modified version of a boss you fight in the overworld. It's actually embarrassing.

How much sea water did Link drink before the boat started to talk to him?

Twilight Princess is the last good Zelda with the most Chad Link read the manga if you want to know more about this and Midna big fat ass make the game more cooler

Quarter hearts were always dumb. You should just take half a heart or a full heart.

Insane guy from long before your time shows up and wants to recreate Pangaea what do you do?

Doubt you played Twilight Princess.

You just collect fish like other items
There's no fishing rod or fishing hole despite all the towns and even a dedicated fishing region

Link ate a few funky looking mushrooms growing in Tingle's prison cell.

we've known for years anti zelda faggots are samefagging tards. So good job.

Ask him what the cost is
If he's doing it for free, let him go for his life

link to the past

links awakening

ocarina of time

majora's mask

oracles

wind waker

minish cap

twilight princess

These games are all great. Nothing after this ever reached these heights.
Breath of the Wild and its sequel are technically good games but are fundamentally so different that they don't interest me.

Skipped on Hyrule Warriors 1 and played Age of Calamity. Really didn't like the gameplay.

I did best Zelda game since Ocarina a shame that everything sucked after that game

Poor Ilia had to settle with >Shadman.

She was a bitch anyways.

I don't know why Bokoblins became the staple enemy when octoroks were that, even winning the Perfect Attendance award and then Twilight Princess shits on that accolade. Wind Waker ruined Zelda, that was Twilight Princess. It was the second resurgence of Zelda in terms of sales at the time. Wind Waker actually kept Zelda niche and I'd actually humor Zelda being on hiatus vs. what we have now.

Imp Midna is suppose to be ugly, it's a bad thing and she almost died. Your description is based on fanfic.

Agreed.

Most characters personality in that game was trash for the most part.

She got cucked by Midna

Octoroks are impossible boss monsters.

BEHOLD CHILDREN!
The acts and speech os a zealot.
What choking upon endless streams of internet lies and moronic seethe does to a man.
Don't be like this sad sack of fetid waste.

steals Epona from you without hearing your story

locks herself and Epona inside of Ordon Spring

have to sneak your way in while Colin explains what happened

"grants permission" to let you use her

Ilia was a better character when she had no memory.

don't just cut off the dialogue there man

staple enemies are a lame idea in the first place, there should be more new enemies if anything
people used to complain about mario only having regular goombas and koopas when there's plenty of different mooks and there's no reason zelda has to make the same mistake

Most modern dungeons and shrines and puzzles are designed to never require much more than "put ball in cup"

Okay?
And?
Every puzzle since Zelda1 was 'push block on switch' or 'shoot switch with bow/seed/sling'.
FFS the jump to 3d took the PUZZLE element out of the fucking PUZZLES. By giving you the solution the second you step into the room.
It's just simon says at that point.
Least BotW and TotK do have puzzles as you need to figure out the solution on your own with the tools at hand, and no alternate solutions are not explicitly a bad thing.

The best part of old zelda games was seeing a puzzle or a strange object you couldn't interact with yet

I'll agree to this point for your first zelda only.
Playing OoT and seeing the eye switches in Deku Tree, or bomb walls in dudongo's cavern, or hookshot points gives you an instance of intrigue and curiousity....eye switches in forest temple for bow....not so much. So you already now know you'll get a ranged tool to solve this (and if you went to kakiro village shop you know its a bow + arrows due to them on sale). Same for longshot...just having 20% more range is kinda really....fucking meh. NOW. Granted. Double/Twin Clawshot in TP WAS very cool because you can now spiderman cling all over. (please fucking dear GOD kill hookshot for twin clawshot, it's so much better. I loathe the hookshot now because it is vastly more limited).
But following above if you played OoT then go into MM, you can tell swamp temple will be bow pretty fast so the excitement is muted. same for pirate fortress and hookshot. snowhead temple you can easy guess you'll either get fire arrows (bow on menu already has 3 slots for element) or din's fire.
At some point over playing this series you understand what item is coming and while interesting the pure joy/surprise is vastly muted.

Zelda 1 didn't have any puzzles.

Zelda 1 didn't have any puzzles.

Grumble, grumble

I would genuinely like to see a redux of this cunt in the new game.
Same for Deku Toad.

It's just simon says at that point

And the majority of the shrines aren't?
TotK is even worse because more shrines give you a pile of stuff to work with
How is a shrine better if you can rise through the floor instead if hitting the switch

The most annoying enemy in TP are the ganks of the ice soldiers

what if

lmao

we brought back freezards

lmao

bombs, arrows, swords dont do dick

lmao

only ball and chain

also that is just marginally smaller than their own range

lmao lulz

God.
I just fucking hate those things so fucking much. Even redeads are easier to kill in TP.

LA, ALTTP, OOT and MM are the only good games in the series. Take away the Zelda name and you'll realize how mediocre the series is except for those 4 games I listed

Those fuckers ended so many of my runs

seasons/ages are also top tier

And yet you fags still accept MM 4 dungeons (or 5 if you want to count a full moon run) just fine.
Don't go moving goalposts bitchboi.

Hyrule Castle in BotW is a fine dungeon with how you explore it. Stay mad.

you shithuffers will be contrarian about any damn thing.

agreed. TotK should have made it easy with fusion, but oh well. Hopefully the next game.