Have to do 5.5 million damage with a melee weapon for level 6 berserker

You have to alt+tab as you are shooting. I remember demolitionist needing M32 to cheese, God it was not worth resetting the recoil for some of these challenges. The guns still shoot arcade [bullet spread is disgusting and exists in real life but should be omitted from video games, Ew the barrel is shaking sideways]

firebug's pretty easy in normal gameplay, sharpshooter also doesnt need cheesing because early game headshots are plentiful. two of the very easiest of classes.

on earlier days you could just download SAM; set perks to 5 gorillions value, or close to it, play the game, get done with shitty perks task in a day.

Perk maps would still require so much time, people was reporting them do kikewire devs, and since maps had a requirement, once caught they were put on a black list and stopped to work. It was a game of cat and mouse and I stopped caring about KF1 cause devs were complete idiots by listening the cries coming from autistic and seething faggots

i used to cheat but Tripwire somehow got a stick so far up their ass that they reset your progress if they detect it.

Grenade spam in training maps

thats fine

no its not, you'll have learned how to play the game at higher difficulties long before you get the necessary stats from perks to actually do so and not feel like dead weight

game gets easier the more you play

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

its not a dead weight kinda game

Given how much of a grind it is to level up perks is the outcome really worth it? Do the higher difficulty levels make things more interesting like add more mechanics or is it just "100x enemy numbers, 100x enemy health, 100x enemy damage"

Is there something wrong with the flow of games in 2 or are you continuously moving on in big corridors with no striking map designs to force you to use atypical play styles? Are zeds more rushy? They're flooding the place and it doesn't play like one where you got the sensation they were existing all around you. In this it's like everything is popping from behind the next wall and instant zero in on you.
You don't get to do much door welding outside of in-between rounds when the pod is active. It's even useless on bosses when I recall this being very cool in 1.

Is my memory fucked up? I can remember old games of killing floor where we got to stand our ground and where we did relocate mid round but weren't constantly on the move. In contrast killing floor 2 has me rushing hazardously near aimlessly and frantically through hordes of fags picking whatever corridor because most of the map's are big grids that feel all the same to play no matter where you decide to fucking go.

What the fuck I need some killing floor expert to explain it to me

going from rank4~ to rank6 doesnt really change anything for anyone. you can play highest difficulties without max perks and if you're shit at the game you will still get stomped on newbie modes.

kiting was always viable in KF1, some maps specifically like i remember a some map that i've never seen beaten stationary. firebugs love it, supportos hate it.

You can't stun scrakes with axe until you hit berserker lvl5

not with the starter fire axe you have to rush that other axe.

Bro, I have 40mil Berserker damage.
Them's rookie numbers.

FuckingFaggot: wadwawawwdwawadadawdwa

Still laughing at how bad the phone game KF looked
youtube.com/watch?v=O9sI94eTqZg

Oh, and farmhouse or shopping spree are my favorite maps in killing flour 2, I don't really enjoy the rest. Just so you can picture what kind of gameplay I'm looking for. The maps in this game are too idiotically big, confusing, samey, can't see the appeal.
Give me small and medium maps with noticably different spots making for good events. I played one the other day that was a sprawling underwater complex going on for miles and really what the fuck was that shit tripwire?

sovl

idk never going to play kf2

Source dabs on shitreal shitgine

Kf1 doesn't work on my pc, it worked on my old one, but I play 2 and this is my guy

Why aren't you guys playing scrnbalance?
It's just a straight upgrade over vanilla.

necessary stats from perks to actually do so

5-10% here and there

There are solo runners beating suicidal, you've got buddies with you. I doubt any randoms care at all about your level if you are half-competent.

i really hate the source engine shooting mechanics and kind of always have. wish nmrih wasnt a crashfest, its got some nice chunky melee.

idk never ran a server

idk never ran a server

there's several servers hosting it last time I checked and they regularly have players

i will look in the future but i never noticed balance problems really. commando i guess but they're just kinda fun anyway.

-10% here and there

50% to 100% damage with perk weapons

60% to 80% discount off perk weapons

spawn with a perk weapon

25% ammo capacity with perk weapons

30% reload speed, 90% penetration, 25% attack speed, 40% damage resistance, 25% move speed, 60% carry weight

-10% here and there

except for niche balancing out of stunlocks spawning with a perk weapon is the strongest thing there and 90+% time you sell it immediately anyway. demos need the discounts though, true facts.

spawning with a perk weapon is the strongest thing there

i'm aware it is
its still disingenuous as fuck to pretending some perks doubling their fucking damage is some PoE tier niche bonus

depends on the class, double damage isn't necessarily even a LOT of damage

oh your aug does 2hp instead of 1hp

your medigun can now kill low level zombies in less than half a mag

you can get by with an unperked pistol without effort.

I prefer KF2

i will look in the future but i never noticed balance problems really

the balance changes are pretty minor. I think they buffed commando and firebug so they do a bit more damage to scrakes but that's it. the best part is the added content.

several new vanilla style perks

Bugfixes (dualies now work properly)

QoL changes (cook frag grenades and lasers stay on)

New gamemodes

Harder but more fair spawn waves

Lots of new guns

And you default to level 6 so there's no grind

I'm not sure if I prefer it over KF1 but 2 is still pretty fun.

im already 6 in everything, i think so thanks for telling me now.

oh wait i peeped github and saw

tactical reload for rifles

does that mean the levergat is unfucked?

For the most part weapons should work as they do in real life with +1 in the chamber.

then i am fucking sold, thanks

I like it more because you can sprint and use a gamepad, only thing I hate is the 90GB size, it didn't used to be that big but I guess throughout the years they updated it and added a lot of community maps, also pretty sure it didn't have a server browser, replayed it recently and that's what I noticed

I used to think 30 GB was huge when KF2 just left early access.

you'll have learned how to play the game at higher difficulties long before

I'm going off the assumption that you've gained a few levels learning how to play the game, since the bulk of the grind is on the high end.

It always had a server browser because it always had community server support since the start.

Pyro in KF1

Scully in KF2

My taste is correct

uzi pyro or flamer pyro?

Yes, Tripwire underestimated how much players enjoy camping.
They wanted to make it more interesting. So we got maps that are more interconnected, and zeds can spawn pretty close. The end result is a very chaotic game.

theres a dedicated camper class, idk what they expected

shotgun i guess, i mained medic/support

I mean most people who play london just walk in a circle.

I'm not excited for 3 in the slightest, and I love 1 & 2. If the soundtrack sucks, it's a refund for me. I'm willing to give it a shot.

It does suck if you want to jump in right now but KF1 was played by people for like a decade so it was less of a big deal back then.

you know what i FUCKING mean you little CUNT.
KF1 is more campy, over all, on average, than KF2. Admit it.

The delay and reworking the perks gives me hope that KF3 will be good.

Forgot new zeds

Brute

Disruption zed that throws players around. Covers his face but will expose it mid swing if you rage him.

TeslaHusk

Shoots chain lightning. If you headshot it it explodes killing everything around it.

Female FP

Weaker FP that takes longer to rage but when raged is much faster and won't unrage until they kill a player

Shiver

Weaker gorefast that can teleport around

Jason

Tankier scrake with higher stun threshold

Super crawlers

Similar to vanilla but they can crawl up walls and ceilings and leap huge distances

Pat

Much more intelligent than vanilla pat. Will focus solo players, try to flank the team, and shoots at pipebombs if you leave them out in the open.

There's also an optional DOOM monster pack.

pretty sure old pat used to detonate explosives too

Only from splash if he was aiming at a player. Now he actively shoots them. He also can move while shooting.

In this it's like everything is popping from behind the next wall and instant zero in on you

that's because they are
youtube.com/watch?v=mqxn6at0yxY
See how tripwire fucked up Desolation after the original creator handed it off to them for integration and just how many zed spawns are literally right behind a shipping crate who's only dependency is LoS

i guess i'm thinking welded doors, he loved to pound doors

Do people still play KF? Interesting that this thread pops up today when I randomly thought about the game yesterday. Am I thought broadcasting?

dedicated "yeah pick whatever, its fine" class

everyone picks survavialist

Fuck me I guess.

dunno what a survivalist is but its probably fine

Yeah you can still find servers for all difficulties. Solo is fun too tho

Kf2

Its picked 75% of the time. Its basically just a way to opt out of the class system and use whatever.

Survivalist sucks, I don't know what you're getting at here. It is most definitely not picked 75% of the time. There are a few fun builds you can do with it but the lower damage bonus you get compared to other classes just makes it too generic for its own good.
Why deal 15% extra damage with something like support or demo weapons when I could play those classes and get 25% extra damage?

players really like camping and the welding mechanic?

let's add cheap zed spawns, teleporting zeds, and nerf the shit out of welding

what the fuck is tripwire's problem

Overall same. The atmosphere isn't as good, but the better feel of guns, non retarded leveling system with perks that have a bigger effect on gameplay, and actually starting with a class specific weapon are big improvements to me.

Berserker is so fun

This. I actually like some of the zed-redesigns. They were good, just needed a little more grunge and it would've been perfect, but it's always frustrating when they're that close.
I only have hopelessness towards KF3...

could have made more objective maps if they wanted less camping but lol

KF2's designs are great, but like you said the game just needed a bit more grunge to seal the deal.
KF3's designs on the other hand...

sssssassdfff

if the game's fun the numbers will roll and sooner or later you'll get there
if all you're doing is looking at xp bar you're not having fun may as well quit right there

Just use an off perk weapon, any good zerk will carry around a LAR anyway.

I play with singers active in the audio option when playing KF2.
Judge me.

I started playing it this week again and I see this thread. I didn't see a kf thread for years.
No it's not that weirdly named psychological biais that's influenced by your centers of interest, I think that's bullshit made up by (((them))) so we won't notice how much we're being tracked.

Thanks for confirming my feelings about the game and making me speedrun my dis-enjoyment of it.
I guess it's fun as a mindless head popping simulator but meh it's really brainless and mind numbing, because you just pop heads got it... I miss my pc, mann vs machine and kf1 > KF2.

What are the good maps?

The ones I like

Hospital Horrors, Evil Santa's Lair, and Bedlam are my top 3.

West London only

Nah, KF3 won't be good because it's a completely different game.
It's more like Vermintide / Darktide than KF; the only way to fix t hat would be scrapping the game and starting from scratch.

the only maps I would consider bad are mountainpass, moonbase, offices, steamland, and westlondon in that order.
mountainpass is way too easy, moonbase's low gravity gimmick is just annoying, offices is too cramped and only has 1 viable boring camp spot, steamland is the buggiest and laggiest map, and westlondon because it's ugly as fuck and has terrible zed pathing with crawlers getting stuck in the skybox and zeds spazzing out as they try to walk over clutter in the road.

man the kf2 farm map was so shit compared to this

Offices is kino when you get stuck in the stairway

It's just me or Hans Volter was the voice of the trade pod/match in previous versions of Hans' manor/castle? Now I don't hear him. I'm having memories of hearing him berating me and narrating the rounds years ago.
Why was it removed I picked the map just to hear him

Why do so many people here pretend to play KF1 still?

top floor offices

nah you're wrong it's kino

The fucking cheese cabin.

And isn't he voiced by Robin Downes?
Do we have a mod to replace him with medic?

I'm playing it right now

Neverfuckingmind
behindthevoiceactors.com/video-games/Killing-Floor-2/Dr-Hans-Volter/

I'm shoving everyone talking with a German accent in the medic category

WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?

Are you homos gonna hop on a server and play or not?

I already put 2k hours in I've done everything.

I don't remember asking, faggot. Say less and just admit you're a pussy next time.

I don't remember asking

but you just did

I'm stuck on cucksole. It's a ghost town.
And besides I ain't paying for cuckstation+ services.
So I'm killing zeds alone. Walking the desert.

KF1 isn't on console

The reading comprehension on this board is awful

bedlam is the worst, cant see shit and it takes forever to get to the trader at end of map

Yeah I'm talking about 2. Like I said I miss kf1 atmosphere and pace.

NERVE GAS?

cant see shit

only in the far corners of the map. the two main holding spots, the hallway next to spawn and courtyard, are both fine.

it takes forever to get to the trader at end of map

not leaving 1 zed alive to get to the trader on every map

skill issue

yeah ive realized that back in around 2009 and i used some haxx to unlock all levels

Deepening wall with 30 other people.

How comes welding wooden doors won't stop his gas from reaching us? And why is one feeble +100yo gramp breaking them so easily? Something is odd.

He is wearing his some kind of armor, and I dont think a regular ass wooden door can stop any gas.

personally I just played the game normally a lot with buds
enemy health scales with player count so you technically do more damage with more players

I can't even relate. I got berserker to maximum so long ago. I miss playing with Anon Babble. I know there are threads were people make lobbies here, but it's not the same. Nu Anon Babble is too annoying with their unironic/not clever or funny racism and political bs. This is the old steam group I was part of like 10 or so years ago.

a lvl 3-4 berseker is already really great and easy to achieve

Sharpshooter in KF1 is just fucking par excellence, trying to be Gunslinger or Sharpshooter in KF2 is cock and ball torture, zeds fucking flail around everywhere.

Is KF2 comparable to KF1 or is KF1 still dominating?

KF2 has a lot more players and better gameplay. KF1 has better atmosphere.

KF2 is a monument to nobody from KF1's development remaining. If you aren't put off by flailing zeds, even more overpowered perks, outright bad choices in the perk trait list, Sharpshooter being separated into rifles (Sharpshooter) and dual pistols (Gunslinger) as entire perk lists, and Sharpshooter/Gunslinger's job being made exponentially harder by zeds' tendency to flail around like Anon Babble posters trying to be funny, you'll be put off by the extremely tanky DAR robots that are at thematic odds with everything else go on and like to use a grapple beam on you, armored zeds where you need to shoot their legs out from under them to kill them, Christian metal from the CEO's band, and a complete discarding of the first game's aesthetic and tone.

Nice so at least it's not bad then, I bought it randomly just because it was 90% off

KF2 doesn't have enough welding for me.

That's how pretty much everybody buys it. It's still great gun porn but it doesn't scratch the same itch the first game did, and mechanically it's worse in a lot of ways.

It's fun

KF2 is 100 GB

Yeah that's crazy, recommended system requirements is extremely low across the board and then randomly it's 100gb in size lmao

Cause of all the stupid cosmetics.

Anon Babbleiggers cry about zeds spazzing like parkinson patients snorting cocaine all day and on a cocktail of rejuvenating adrenochrome to make them even more twitchy and here I am playing console version with auto aim off. Because autoaim is so strong it automatically goes on every heads whenever you aim down sight and it makes the game boring as watching paint dry...
You don't know pain until you try to play this shit with a controller. A controller that is drifting I might add.

On rare occasions I briefly consider reinstalling KF2, but then I remember this

you deserve all your suffering for playing an fps on console

Nothing makes you want to strangle CEOs and big suits more than downloading 100GB for cucksmetics you won't ever see the color of because you play offline anyway and can't give half a shit about crates

If you aren't put off by flailing zeds

they aren't that bad

even more overpowered perks

nothing's extremely busted on higher difficulties that makes the game piss easy

outright bad choices in the perk trait list

agreed, there are some stinkers that are literally "why would you ever pick this over the objectionably better option" tier skills

Sharpshooter being separated into rifles (Sharpshooter) and dual pistols (Gunslinger) as entire perk lists

why is this a problem?

Sharpshooter/Gunslinger's job being made exponentially harder by zeds' tendency to flail around like Anon Babble posters trying to be funny

again, not that bad you just need to git gud (sharpshooter has freeze grenades which are extremely useful and gunslinger shoots so fast it doesn't matter how much they flail around)

you'll be put off by the extremely tanky DAR robots that are at thematic odds with everything else go on and like to use a grapple beam on you

agreed on their theming, but they're not hard to deal with you just shoot them in the chest instead of the head

armored zeds where you need to shoot their legs out from under them to kill them

sharpshooter, gunslinger, support, firebug, and demo basically ignore rioter armor, other classes can easily shoot them in the legs to kill them slightly slower

Christian metal from the CEO's band

I think the music is fine, but this one is definitely up to the player's preference

and a complete discarding of the first game's aesthetic and tone

agreed, the game is way too shiny for some reason and absolutely needs more grunge

I know
I'm at that line in the poverty balance where I don't know if I'll get evicted in the near future so I can't fathom the idea of building a new pc that I would need to throw away. My shitty dusty PS4 provides for my gaming needs for now.

If KF1 is so good, where is the KF1 HOST

If I reinstall KF right now will you guys play on suicidal or above without bitching
Im not playing normal difficulty snoozepass

me and all my friends just cheated with a trainer to max rank

if it aint scrn i aint fuckin with it

Mountainpass sucks ass, put WestLondon as a starter

Manor, West London, Evil Santa's Lair, Mountain Pass

ill host scrn
give me a minute to reinstall

listing the lvl 6 values and not the increment up from lvl 5

There is only only balance change that is needed: removing all the grenade-related bonuses support has as it dates back to the first versions where the demo didn't exist. Support has no business being so viable against FP.

You are mostly right, but the

teleporting zeds

was needed. It is simply not possible to balance zeds against a standard speed, standard resistance clunky perk like the demo and against an above resistance, above speed, above regeneration perk like the medic.
Zeds are balanced for demo and as expected without teleportation, medics are unkillable.

It's not like I needed more reasons to hate Tripwire or anything, but thanks for the video.

The amount of added anti-soul gas is absolutely insane.

Get in here boys we're playing scrnbalance
steam://run/1250/connect/archive01.org:7707

I love it. Some of my best KF memories are on this server.
I just wished that they kept the old models for the new weapons. A few years back they "upgraded" the weapon models and replaced them with newer Insurgency/KF2 models. I never liked it. Shiny new models in such an old engine looks terrible. Such a style mismatch.

host

nobody joins

thanks Anon Babble very cool

its 4pm on a monday

scrnbalance

and? you're not underage or browsing Anon Babble on company time are you?

excuses

Its the middle of summer, being underage would mean being free to play vidya

on company time

yes, fuck them

the thing i like about killing floor is the brown london girl who sells shit
the rest of it i could take or leave but she was fun

Iirc, you pretty much had to kite around in the higher difficulties in KF1 unless everyone was really good. If I had to guess, I'd say they forced kiting in KF2 to appeal to the hardcore crowd. But that's just an opinion, not fact.

nongay modshit kf1 host when

retard

not downloading files just to play modshit, simple as

he's right

mods bad because im poor and play on dialup

You are right to call scrn gay but having custom maps is absolute lifeblood of longterm play.

kf1

cool grindhouse sci-fi aesthetic and dark maps that actually necessitate using the flashlight

kf2

shitty neon sci-fi aesthetic and teleporting blind spot enemies in favor of actual map balance

kf3

doubles down on all the shitty things kf2 introduced and now has no identity, looks like modern fps garbage like apex legends

and teleporting blind spot enemies

THEY DON'T DO THIS ANYMORE

I would play but I'm a third worlder and mostly suck.