Final Fantasy

if I make 10 Tifa threads on Anon Babble every day, SE will be fine

I don't make Tifa threads retard, I'm just saying it's been fucking 3 decades, move on to another jrpg, you are like that guy constantly crying over his exgirlfriend years later, get over it

That's the ff cycle, 13 and 15 also got a lot of hate threads then people got tired of hating

They need to ditch the numbers and go back to just Final Fantasy or something.

Literally they just need to release a new game that's good and enjoyable without any glaring drawbacks. No shitty ruining of a classic game, no trying to turn it into DMC but brain dead, no crappy narrative, no padded out split into three different games bullshit. Just a solid 8/10 or higher game.

This, ff ip is still strong

I think Persona still occupies a separate niche to FF. Persona is way more "weeby" for lack of a better word. It's very japanese and does japanese culture things, way more than Final Fantasy ever has. Stuff like E33, Dragon Quest, and Octopath would be the better comparisons

I think this would only be a problem if we didn't had at least 10+ games that you can keep coming back to replay, if new players want to engage with the series, they can just play the older games first

not everything is made to last forever

Exactly, persona is a dating sim VN. DQ imo is way too safe, Octopath is trapped in that sprite nostalgiabait shit while Expedition feels kinda like a modern FF.
Besides Expedition33 trying you will not find many FF replacements
It's like with Capcom and RE, they barely have rivals in their horror TPS games anymore

FFT is the only salvageable part of FF and it's deader than fucking Half-Life at this point.

I supported SE for the past 25 years, I will support them for the next 25 years. They give me more FF: I'll buy it. Retards on Anon Babble cry about SE: I'll put them in their place.
And there are many more like me. So move on and play something else instead of complaining and leave me and my friends alone so we can continue to financially support SE without having to listen to you whine.

This

Exactly, persona is a dating sim VN

People who say this either have never actually played a persona game or have some weird anti-persona agenda. The game is a life sim and a turn based RPG hybrid first and foremost. Trying to call it a dating sim or a VN just shows a fundamental lack of understanding about the series.

Get three to four niggas
Put them in a row
Turn BASED

Make a Final Fantasy that actually plays like Final Fantasy again.
Then put the Bravely1 guy to do the soundtrack and it'll sound classic and modern at the same time to catch the wide net of nostalgiafags and new audiences.

You don’t need to pretend to care

they just need to take strangers of paradise and make a full game out of it preferably by a team with no one that worked on 13, 14, 15, or 16. or let the guch make a paper mario combat game. neo fantasian and lost odyssey are good

Online discourse revolves a lot around headcanon and fanfics involving characters, so it makes sense those who never played to thing Persona is about that.
In the actual game the romance part is shitty desu, you get a few scenes and other than that your girlfriend never recognizes you're in a relationship etc. Not even a bonus in combat or whatever.

It's honestly bizarre. I get that people are going to focus on waifus because internet and nerds but like you said, it's such a tiny part and honestly barely even effects anything that it's funny. Though P5r did put a bit more focus on it by having several post-final boss scenes with them I guess.

Cope and seethe, turn nigger.

the only sprg the ps1 baby has ever played

Now pull up sales for the rest of the series

All they have to do is make a traditional turn based game with a likeable cast and interesting world with cool themes and world building and also make the whole thing look like a moving Amano artpiece. Amano’s art is integral to the series’ identity and they have the technology to pull it off now and it will give the franchise something to stand out with instead of the banal insistence on them making things look as realistic as possible. Realism is boring, embrace fantasy.

Amano’s art is integral to the series’ identity

You're really overselling it. Most normalfags played the games without seeing Amano's art.

XI is better than XIV, I fucking hate XIV.
Garo armors were cool though.

FF needs to go back to the live turn based combat.
I don't know about FF16, didn't touch it, but I despised the visuals/aesthetic of it. Overly handsome men and women as if I'm looking at a trailer for a KMMO. It makes me cringe.

What a strange response.

I liked 16. I couldn't make it 10 minutes into 15 though.

Amano’s art is integral to the series’ identity

So you’ve felt betrayed since 7 already

The FF fans have been fucking ravenous with this release

Maybe I am, but it’s still preferable to what they’ve been doing to stand out lately.
Not betrayed, the PS1 games and even the PS2 FFs still felt unique enough (Hell, XII is still my favorite even though I accept people don’t like it) but I feel a shift like making a game in Amano’s style would be equal parts callback while also doing something to make the series standout to potential new audiences in the current JRPG market.

I see the FF brand, I pay anything.
I see someone disrespecting SE, I crush them.

The series has always been a product of compromise. A taste of rpg when you're half a normie with only a console. Then a taste of anime when the internet wasn't quite simple enough for normies. Once everything became freely available, the series lost it's identity.

Pretty much. FFT is so overrated lol

Th remake was leaked

The last good game came out 25 years ago, anon. You tell me. Yes, X was also ass and most definitely the beginning of the end

Is genderbent XVI just Tales of Berseria??

youtu.be/XOqGSkfIRmE

The fundamental problem is that there's a certain group of people who thinks Final Fantasy must be cutting edge tech wise. Besides the fact that Square Enix is no longer capable of being that, we are also in the era where AAA gaming is dying rapidly. And getting eaten by AA1/2A games like ER/BG3/E33. So what's there's stopping Square Enix from making an E33? Probably nothing, except their hubris and refusal to admit that less is often more.

got a PS5 for Rebirth

loved it

bought Metaflop Redditfazio at launch but never played it

just platinum'd Expedition 33, decide to finally try Metaphor

5 hours in, it's just Persona in Renaissance Faire drag

I have no idea why Clair Obscur is being used to shit on FF when it's clearly dunking on Fatlus's whole fucking thing. I'm an oldfag and I always hated all the Compilation of FF weeb drama shit and I can't justify Time Janny shenanigans but I firmly believe that gamers have failed FF and not the other way around. Every FF going forward should have Rebirth's battle system, they just need to cut production costs, shit's probably more expensive than a Marvel movie.

I legit thought it was Berseria fanart before opening.

classic FF retained it’s popularity due to their interesting stories.
The gameplay was never that outstanding.

Focusing on action-combat was a mistake, they should have tried to return to those more philosophical storylines and esoteric worlds.

Japanese boomers are always late to trends

FF16 especially felt like it came too late.

Spirits Within>Advent Children. If they hadn't spent time catering to the HURR DURR I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE DA MOVIE WITH DA SWORD GUISE then we wouldn't be in this mess

I thought XVI was okay.
7R is a fucking mistake though and despite it being a 7/10 game with some charm. It's brought forth a lot of retarded shit along with it. Like I dunno how people shit on XVI but then act like 7R isn't completely retarded and peak slop.

It absolutely can, they just need fresh creative vision

dump arpg slop mechanics, it sucks

COMPELLING STORY AND CHARACTERS - really can't stress enough how this is like 90% of peak FF's appeal

they've done pretty well at beautiful visuals throughout tbf

needs interesting design - the Amano designs for the 90s games are wonderful, its so lacking in nuFF

GoT theme/acting doesn't really work with FF imo. It hasn't been just pure swords-and-sorcery since the 90s because the concept is played out, FF6-X all succeeded because they broke that pattern in original ways

Honestly at this point they would be better just remaking like FF6 or FF9 with E33 turn based mechanics until they can summon enough creativity to write an original game again

FF is the UFC of RPGs

Created landmarks in the genre and was the clear leader for a long time, but by this point has produced slop for years while competitors (like Rizin for MMA) produce fun content that fans enjoy watching

the MTG collab was further proof of that

the ff9 and FFT remakes which will be announce tomorrow is the start of SE's redemption arc

Pretty sure XI bailed out pretty much every project SE made until XIV 1.0 was made to unironically kill it

You're forgetting XV being bailed out by DQXII/Nier Automata

there's a very vocal minority of mentally 12 year olds who defend anything related to the compilation of 7 horseshit (also the schizo who will likely chime in pretending he needs to defend the game or whatever then reply to himself for 99% of the thread), likely the same people who give a fuck about KH mobile games
the public consensus is that the game has decent moments and is overloaded with content, but I'm sure once the third game comes out everyone will either be shitting on what it also does different or complaining about why the first two games were full retard if it plays things significantly straighter than Rebirth

But has any "expanded universe" ever not caused a shitstain in the franchise?
It starts as fans demanding more of a beloved work, then the author creates whatever shit goes to pander to these more affectionate fans, work cohesion be damned.
Dune itself had awful follow-up books.

FF7Remake was ok
FF7Rebirth just feels as if it misses the mark on SO so many things.

Honestly I dunno how the fuck they plan to finish everything off in part 3 unless they cut alot of corners.
There going to waste a huge chunk of it explaining how the time jannys work or how future Sephiroth came to that time line just to mess things up.
We wont get a proper ending. Instead we'll get a 3 hour shitty dungeon with a lame 'All Sephiroths boss' merged final form battle and a bullshit 'The future is what we make it' ending

Has been dead since IX anyway. They need to put it out of its misery already, maybe crank out one barely decent game that tries to honour the series and then move on, it's clear current SE isn't capable of doing FF anymore.

When they chimped out regarding a certain event in the Ancient City instead of adhering to keep it the same or to changing it, I knew they shat the bed royally.
The first thing I thought about was Kingdom Hearts and all its bullshit. FF7 had its share of scifi and magic mumbo jumbo but the story never went that fucking far with parallel universes or whatever they were trying to pull off there.
I was onboard the 7R train until this event and jumped off after that.

Aside from being a bastardisation of an FF7 remake as a concept, how is 7R a bigger mistake than XVI? (I refuse to play 7R but seems like it should theoretically be a better game or at least less of a misstep than XVI)

Didn't SE admit they're pretty much empty-handed for the next two years?

As if current leadership won't guarantee that they're bad.

NTA if anything 7R is a bigger mistake in literal terms, like Square spent a whole lot more in a project divided among at least 3 different full length games that demand consumers to wait for what it seems to be at least a whole decade before it's complete. They banked too hard on FF7 selling millions of copies in the 90s to think a lot of people would put up with it nowadays.
FF16 was a one and done deal and they probably spent a little less.

XV sold more than DQXI and Automata. It's an unfinished game, but it's pretty successful nonetheless.

so these are the type of retards who say ff7r is better

Just finished remake - overall I liked it but there were definitely times where it felt like timewasting to pad out the runtime, e.g.

forced slow walking

walking between gaps/under gaps

side quests (to be fair this replaced grinding which I'm fine with)

asspull ghosts to fill narrative gaps every 5 minutes

Sephiroth *everywhere*, kind of ruined the mystique

The battle mechanic grew on me but I still think turns is more fun

I also realise how much of the FF7 plot I forgot since I played it years back, think I only finished it once

IIRC these slow walking and crouching stuff were to mask loading times into new zones. I'm not very savvy on the technical side, but I've seen it in other games with "seamless" transition zones.

They banked too hard on FF7 selling millions of copies in the 90s to think a lot of people would put up with it nowadays.

They also split the fanbase with the direction they took the story in the remake, so half of the people who would have bought each part initially now aren't interested.

Really its crazy to me how they fumbled their golden goose this badly.

FFXVI being a mistake could be fixed by FFXVII being the best game ever and selling 60 million copies. Even if that is not happening, it is still at least better than FFVIIR fucking up. Cause we are not getting another FFVII remake for another 25 years at least.

There's nothing wrong with the series. All of the games are good.

They made the best part of the game bigger. My only complaint with FF7R is that it's not longer.
I wanted more and enjoyed it alot. Then I played FF7Rebirth......

The game clearly falls apart after Coral Prison and that it becomes rushed.
So much stuff is changed such as some parts being cut short whilst others extended for retardedly long times which aren't enjoyable.

Theres a lot of side quests but by the end you realise they've all been totally pointless and have added nothing to the plot.

Chadley is annoying as fuck.
Cannot fuck mai.
RexXIII retarded voice change.
Weapon is now x2 friendly fish.
Rouch gets screwed over after Junon.
Barrett just leaves his best friends body to rot...walk away...return...its magically buried.
Forcing time janny shit of black v white.
Always having to hunt chocobo in each new area.
Zacks story making ZERO sense.
The different time lines Terminator genesis bullshit.

They didn't even get the ending right. Why dont we see cloud putting aeirths body in the water? Now shes a fucking ghost? Is this meant to be joking about how she had ghost appearances in the OG?

Great places like junon get cut short but jesus christ Cosmo canyon goes on for hours upon hours. Then random extra shit with black guy Gi tribe....

Yes, X was also ass

Opinion discarded

You're aware that Spirits within bombed and almost took the company with it, right?
Anyone with sense knows that the core of the 7 remakes are rotten. People just focus on the few things it did well.

The tactics games are basically expanded universes but all self containted enough that it wasn't an issue. Though I was disappointed after playing the Tactics Advance games that your party was all humans in 12.

My only complaint with FF7R is that it's not longer.

I think they stretched the Midgar section as much as they could. Initially I thought cutting it off at Midgar was a weird choice (rather than just Disk 1) but apparently it is around 1/3 of the original script. Plus the Shinra building is a nice natural climax. Tbh I don't feel it needed quite as much Sephiroth involvement but I can understand it needing to tie more to the overall plot if they're breaking up the games

Reread a synopsis of the original plot and I had forgotten big chunks of it, it was suprisingly complex

DQ is superior in every way to slopshitdicktion shittyshit

Overall it was a nice experience and its definitely better than rebirth.
In all honesty rebirth was just very disappointing to me.
Felt cheap as well how they added in cid and vincent only to screw players over by NOT actually having them playable

my only complaint with ff7r is that it's not longer

niggas

in a row

The brand died when it got nothing but Lightning games for nearly a decade.
The milennials/early zoomers who grew up with the classic games and had nostalgia for them mostly moved on, the core zoomers who are now in the peak nostalgia phase have nothing to be nostalgic the series because all they got was 13 and it's sequels and they were dogshit. No wonder they only see the franchise as a MMO, I don't blame them.

stop fucking bitching about ff being dead when the whole industry is fucking dead

when the whole industry is fucking dead

It's not though, you dumb doomer.

bro it's over. stop coping

FF16 was amazing.
FF7 Rebirth was even better.

If the games are not selling is not due to the quality. I think it's just that FF fans are mostly a bunch of jaded 30+ years olds sissy bitches. Meanwhile zoomers are intimidated by the games having big roman numbers on it like: FFXVI, and don't wan to commit thinking they have to play dozens of games that were made before they were even born.

Waaaah some worthless slop and objectively bad companies flopped, the entire industry is WORTHLESS now!!!!

Unless you're an investor, you have zero reason to give a shit. Fucking doomers are so retarded, I swear.

name games

Anything I list that's actually good you'll just call slop or pretend is awful (because Doomers do this FOR EVERYTHING), so what's the point? Your type ignores anything that isn't AAA as if that's ever been anything more then mediocre and even when those games are decent you just call it shit.

i win sweet summer child

The main series is dead. I trust they will come up with one or two fun low budget spinoffs like Dissidia and Stranger of Paradise, but I don't think they can save they numbered series.

shut up you dumbass everything is dead

Return to the True Fantasy setting of the original five games

Return to Turn Based combat

Bring back the Job System

There, fixed it.

Only FF 1-5 are really FF games. Anything after those fucks with the formula in one way or another, not necessarily in a bad way, but it just isn't the same experience.

all these retard ideas guys

All you win is misery. Enjoy it

I didn't know Square Enix execs were in the thread with us.

captcha: YHS0NY

heh

Go ahead
FF is really not as big of a seller as its fame implies
The Witcher and other western RPGs have always btfo FF in numbers

What makes II and IV more FF games than VI?

Make one last final fantasy like metal gear rising where the villains all get together and form a world marshall type company in final fantasy universe and you go around as jack insulting and killing them all. Plot is all the main villains are controlled by the CEO, armstrong. CEO armstrong is powered by nanomana who wants to give nanomana to every town person so every town person can fight their own fantasy war and no longer live under control of kings and emperors. Have jack come across the heroes and have them all get insulted by jack with jokes making fun of fanboys of their respective games and the games themself. Game ends with CEO armstrong of world mana company convincing jack to join him and end the multiverse of final fantasy of pointless wars but jack kills him cause it would create chaos.

I still don't get why salesfags attached so fucking hard to ff. FF was never a HUGE seller like CoD or pokemon, and it will never be. Besides sales changed, before people could buy different copies of the same games like with all the 50 console releases of RE4, nowadays people moved on to PC so they only need to buy it ONCE, two at most. So yeah one person buying ff1 for

Snes

Gba

Psp

Ps/Xbox/switch whatever

PC

Would count as 5 people, but it's actually one.

Fund it. Also, i demand sexy outfits for Jack

The Gooch has a writer/director credit.

They always want to cite the sales for the games that are including 30+ years of remakes, ports, collections, etc.

FFXV is honestly probably the best selling game in the franchise in fair measurement despite it being a fucking disaster, not counting the mmos

u just kno

The greatest tragedy of his game is not having every single main Final Boss cameo so Jack could punch the ever loving fuck out of them.

FF7Remake was ok

FF7Rebirth just feels as if it misses the mark on SO so many things.

it's quite literally the opposite, dimbrain.
I can't even play FF7Remake anymore after Rebirth. That's how much they improved the combat.

search for final fantasy 7 remake on spotify

first result is FFXVI soundtrack

It might still be salvageable but I think its funny how much marketers are trying to salvage the shit game that was FFXVI

It can be, but it might be pretty difficult to pull off, and with Squares meddling it might be even impossible if they start to push unattainable goals.
Best things i could think of are:

Using a different system rather than turn base combat

Find a progression system that doesn't require a hard grind, and yet its expansive enough to let you explore plenty of options, as well as do an expanded job system.

New setting that explores other themes other than fighting an evil empire, going meta on the story, fighting an evil thats actually pretty fucking scary upfront. Also, not use a medieval setting again, not for this next game at least, otherwise it feels to repetitive

Make it look pretty enough without it taking years to develop (otherwise square and the fans get pissed)

Put cute girls in it, and give people the option to date them (this is completely optional)

Do proper marketing without overspending

Put a combat system relatively to Valkyrie Profile so people feel more active and engaged during combat, because making combos for extra damage during a turn feels more satisfying.

Add optional hardcore mode thats pretty much how death works in Final Fantasy Tactics, party members are now disposable.

People these days would rather just play a "free" shitty gacha game if they have to grind, not pay 50-80 bucks just to grind and regret it later or develop Stockholm syndrome trying to trick themselves that they did jot in fact lost their money by buying a game about grinding.
Satisfying story, satisfying progression, satisfying combat, something new to explore thats actually interesting, not touching the metamultiverse crystal shit so people feel more engaged with the games setting, and most importantly, do not let square put to much pressure and obstacles in development while also not overspending the budget so they do not get pissed off about them going bankrupt over poor decisions in the past.
That last part is the hardest one. Because Square.

He has a point. Why would you sell a game as an srpg when it has zero strategy elements then expect it would sell well or is “the only salvageable part” of the FF brand.
Taking the setting and story of FFT and turning it into a generic jrpg would be a different story however.
Hes essentially calling you out for being one of those guys that thinks the entire game is the story. Job system and strategy was done better in other games including the two FFTA games, infact FFTA2 is literally the peak in terms of gameplay of the FFT series

FF7 and FFX did great numbers I think. So even though they weren't the norm, people still want to believe they are

Im convinced the pixel remaster is the last good (wasnt great but good) final fantasy thing we'll get that isnt related to 14

extend FFVIIRemake universe to include space travel to Planet Spira. FFXVII: X + VII interstellar crossover extravaganza. Tidus, Auron, Wakka, really full FFX party and maybe even Seymour re-imagined with 7R movesets + new unique materia based on FFX summons, blitzball tech, and sphere greed

sphere greed

based freudian slip

people should just abandon this nonsensical idea that everything has to last forever I think

I think we're seeing a return to traditional JRPGs but they have to be games that are based on the fundamentals established during the genre's peak in the PS2 era. E33 is the proof of that.

I want to fully control multiple guys when fighting monsters.

And you cannot really do that with action RPGs. Or MMOs.

Or MMOs.

pets
they can go farther though, i agree

they should just do mecha final fantasy

FF16 was amazing.

FF7 Rebirth was even better.

Both games had horrible combat systems that weren't fun to play at all

FFT remaster is almost confirmed, probably shown tomorrow

It's grifting and for bald millennials to shill their dead youtube channels. People liked ff for the telenovela and handsome characters, salesfagging comes from people who don't even play games, like, who gives a fuck, the average ff boomer doesn't care, at most they care about the whole will Cloud fuck Tifa or Resurrected Aerith shit

they're going to make it worse aren't they

SE will do nothing but reheat their old shit forever. I honestly think XVI might be the last time they try make anything other than memberberries.

Retard

It'll be an ARPG that changes the story to be about future Ramza returning to the past to clear his own name only it turns out he's from a different dimension and he's a snooty rich evil noble.

remake

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port WotL to modern platforms

:O

I liked WotL even less than the original

thats fine. but i don't think charming jank like L I T T L E M O N E Y supercedes the extra battles, classes and the cutscenes. the only VA job in FF that actually improves the scene imho, excluding maybe some FFXIV MSQ scenes