FUCK YOU

The old hags. Sexual predators.

get fucked doned

It's human nature to struggle, to fight.
Any fake utopia fails to consider this: no matter how much you try to remove suffering from human lives, eventually they will reintroduce suffering themselves, because suffering is a natural part of conflict, and humans need conflict against something to feel alive.

This. He got his miracle when his GF forgot about the trauma and he had a chance to start again. He was so focused on the welfare of others that he forgot about himself.

hitler did nothing wrong

good points but consider the fact that transexuals would be considered real women in maruki's reality

Oh you have a passion but can't make a living of it?

Let me remove all attachment to that passion that'll fix things

Btw there's someone obssed with you so I'm going to change your cognition so you like them back

Maruki doesn't fix things outside of the PT's he was trying to entice, he just makes it so you no longer consider them issues.

Joker was asking for it

Yup, true... *rapes you*

When everyone you have ever loved is finally gone
When everything you have ever wanted is finally done with
When all of your nightmares are for a time obscured
As by a shining brainless beacon
Or a blinding eclipse of the many terrible shapes of this world
When you are calm and joyful
And finally entirely alone
Then in a great new darkness
You will finally execute your special plan

yeah, like every time they forget the existence of the jagd zones

If hitler was accepted to art school after his passion for art, ww2 wouldn't have happened.

of course it would. everyone knew the war was going to blow up again when WWI ended. "twenty year armstice" and all that. it might not been the specific kind of Nazis specifically but with the Versailles treaty there was definitely going to be a war again and fascists were very well positioned to take control. Hitler getting accepted would just mean a shitty watercolor painter exists and someone else goes on the history books as the dictator.

it's human nature to avoid struggle

Maruki would solve all of your problems by having you go to sleep and never wake up again :)

No, he is basically pulling off the Messian EDEN project. His ideology is in the lighter side of the order of the messiah, which would be against solving the issue by killing everyone since they want a world of pure joy and righteousness rather than a world devoid of suffering. Suffering is ok for the Messians as long as it serves the greater good since they always strive for the millennium kingdom. They kill people en-mass, but it’s simply because of the logic that they would reincarnate into a purer world

people wanted hitler for his charisma, risky decisions, and unique propoganda, there were a fuck ton of nationalists and anti-semites in post ww1 gemany but were dogshit and lacked his conviction.

His rejection changed his identity and path.

He wasn't a symptom of the war, he was the catalyst for ww2. He's not a replaceable cog.

I blame meth.

He literally does exactly that to Joker on one ending, anon. Maruki flat out thinks it's best for you to sit on the sidewalk all day and do nothing rather then taking any sort of risk that could lead to suffering. He would eliminate suffering by turning all humanity into puppets.

yawn, i am not going to read all of that shit, Maruki was just a more retarded Madara/Cypher

He wasn't a symptom of the war, he was the catalyst for ww2. He's not a replaceable cog

not at all. There were other charismatic demagogues at the time, Hitler was simply the one who won got to take advantage of the powder keg that Germany was. Literally everyone at the time was saying the Versailles treaty was unpayable and going to spark war again. And antisemitic propagandizing is the oldest trick in the book, if it wasn't him the country would have followed someone else to leak all its rage.

Hitler wasn't owed shit. If he wanted to go to art school he should have made good paintings.

but if-

Right, give me 10 million dollars or I will lead the USA into WWIII in the future

yeah germany was a powder keg but hitler was the spark

He was fucking brutal, charismatic
other people couldn't match him even if people hated jews

Sure Germany may still have had war — but without Hitler, no Holocaust, no SS death cult, no fanatical push into Russia, no Final Solution
It wouldn't be ww2 without him

That's nice and all, anon, but the real reason to reject Maruki's BS is that Maruki himself is a weak, fallible human faggot instead of a kind, all-knowing god capable of granting humanity what he intends to. Not only will he fail to provide humans fulfillment and happiness, he will eventually either die like any mortal would, or assuming he gains some form of immortality from enacting his plan, go insane given enough time. tl;dr he cannot be trusted with humanity's future, no matter how (or especially because of how) tragic his story and pure his intentions are.

Japs are just too droney to get it. Adachi was right too, but he's presented as if he's wrong. It's a societal issue

yeah germany was a powder keg but hitler was the spark

and there would have been others if he wasn't there.

He was fucking brutal, charismatic

so were other people, just a bit less

other people couldn't match him even if people hated jews

someone slightly less charismatic would have won.

Sure Germany may still have had war — but without Hitler, no Holocaust, no SS death cult, no fanatical push into Russia, no Final Solution

the push into Russia would still happen, their ruling class fucking hated the commies. other, equally fucked up things would have happened; just the occupation of Poland had 20 million+ people die, for one.

Maruki's solutions are utter dogshit, he will never grant you your real dreams, just concessions. He couldn't even save his own fiance without destroying his relationship with her. It's not even about escapism being unhealthy, Maruki doesn't even let you have TRUE escapist happiness.

Adachi is a little bitch. Imagine complaining about talent and other people having it easy when you literally live off taxpayer money to do fucking nothing all day.

ain’t reading all that cope, marukifag

No you don't understand, Dr Maruki, my best friend getting raped made me a stronger person!

what about how Maruki decided that only he was allowed to make all of your decisions for you and you had to accept it?

people who are talented get by easier on life

yeah bitch that's what talent means
Adachi had no room to complain anyway, his life is the easiest fucking shit in the planet. by his own admission he has been fucking around since college and joined the cops just to have a gun. boo hoo he's got a guaranteed job in a little town, woe is him.
hell, he literally won the magic power lottery. he could have become a worldwide famous celebrity with that power, he didn't.

OUR OWN MIND IS A BUNCH OF CHEMICALS THAT REACT TO THE WORLD AROUND IT

no you see we LIKE suffering, we get off it even!

Even ignoring the fact that he was a fallible human who was trying to enforce a flawed idea of peace onto the world, best shown by how he brainwashes Kasumi back into Sumire if you agree to his plan even if she's gotten over it, the fact of the matter is that this is the Persona universe. If you accept his offer, sooner or later some false god that wants to wipe out humans for being too weak to survive outside of a dream world is going to want to come along and kill everyone.

therapy is escapism

What?

So his ideal reality was just that meme of the people hooked up to the VR heroin station?

Shiho never got raped, just forced to train hard and then was going to get benched unless Kamoshida got to rape Ann.

there are easier ways to say you're geh

The point is your life IS real. You do not live in a videogame world, you don't have magical anime gay powers. You're you.

So learn to deal with it and be a good person despite it all you faggot.

That's THE POINT.

Louis from Metaphor was a better antagonist.
For the most part, before his full on plan gets revealed.

Louis

Louis Cypher

Come on Atlus

So then going along with Yaldabaoth or Izanami is fine?

Exactly. Persona's always been about confronting suffering, not evading it like a coward. Maruki thinks he's doing people a favor, but he's just putting a pretty cage around them and calling it happiness. Growth only comes from struggle—take that away and you’re left with hollow dolls smiling in a fake paradise.

Why did Maruki revive Akechi, an unrepentant mass murderer? Seems like that wasn't necessary to make a happier world

Because Joker regretted not saving him and wanted him to live despite him bringing misery to a lot of people, which further shows the imperfections in his ideal world.

abloobloobloo, didn't read

Nah. Like his unthiefed Personas tell us, that's some gnostic garbage. The good ending is all about trusting God no matter what and taking time to look at circumstances from a deeper point of view. He talks to the party members in the fight and the thieves get to shine. Yeah the thieves, real characters with motivations and goals. Them holding back the final attack are moments that made gaming great. These freeloader fake gamers hyping up some lazy first person game, pure idolatry, want to come in and not acknowledge the show don't tell PEAK JRPG greatness that is P5R. Every time I sit down and play with this game with someone else, just whatever in game day, they love it in the most respectful way. They go on to to decide to repent from their casual ways. Turn off dubs, care about the quality in games, make games about gameplay first.

Why would it be fine? They may be divinities, but they do not fulfill the other criteria I mentioned.

The thing that people miss, and something the game doesn't really show you very well, is that its MY choice and MY escapism. In a see of shit I have my own desire on what I want to do to escape.

Maruki wanted to help people reach that, but the problem is that he's just one guy and even with god powers had to specifically will each solution. That'd be far to much to do for every single individual in the world so he created a kind of decision tree. The whole point of his dungeon was to show how scenarios need to be filtered into a these specific outcomes.

The game barely touches on this fact that he needs to make these decisions in this manner. It doesn't really show you that he can't just magically say "everything will be perfect for you!" because though he has the power to do anything, he must be the one to decide what it actually is that he does. Its because he can't specifically assign the exact flawless conclusion that people must find for themselves, its why he picks the decision tree route. As you progress you see that though his powers can do anything, he makes mistakes and flaws and gets called out for them. He really is just a nice guy that means well but of coarse is not perfect.

Because of these flawed decisions not everything is possible. Weird stuff happens and as shown in the game you start to see contradictions or people that have essentially become entirely different people because of it. It becomes the standard Persona 5 message of will you accept my limited world even if its in some ways better? Its basically just a different variant of the standard ending, but instead they don't instantly view Maruki's world as in crap like they did with Yaldabaoth's. Its the same old question of will you chose the possibility of suffering for potential.

So Maruki won't make YOUR dreams come true, he'll just change you to want something he can do. He won't make your waifu real, he'll just turn you into a normie.

Wouldn't they be transformed into biological women in his reality?

lawfags are content with being lobotomized hypnotized drones so long as they never ever experience a negative emotion

If you want to permanently end all future suffering, KILL YOURSELF it's the fastest way.

Lawfag cope

DIDN'T READ LOL
Do you really want 1 guy to control everything?

Why does this matter if you're happy?