Redfall

At some point around dishonored 2, Arkane went stupidly woke, and had their key talent flee for other companies.

The game was boken and the world was empty and the studio didn't grasp what makes vampires cool in the least and it ran like shit while looking terrible and had cringe dialog and a boring backstory and bad enemy design and ...

The whole thing was fucked and the best part was Xbox & Acti-Blizz tried really hard to pretend that it was okay and they're going to stick with it. IT was the first real slop flop of this generation.

Why did it go down like that?

I read that the Austin studio was entirely upset with the merger and demoralized

They already knew it would be shit by the time MS bought them so they cut their losses and released it in a broken state

Austin Texas liberals

MAGAs of course.

Just look at the goddamn poster and compare it to the other coop shooters.
Rather than some survivors ready to face the near hopeless odds, you’ve got some smug fucks standing over a completely anaemic enemy like a trophy.
You can see the completely fucked priorities from the word go.

Be Phil

Trust studio you acquire for billions

First thing they do is Redfall

Second thing is Starfield

I can't believe Bethesda hasn't been gutted from the top down like 343. Playstation is no better and Intergalactic is the first peak at what investing in liberal cities for creative projects nets you.
At this point western development exists solely as a tax shelter for big game publishers. They should know by now these cities only get you radical left retards making projects for themselves.

wrong

? It's clearly a success #blm

Says the pagpag eater lemao.

redfall was already basically finished when MS bought them

Wait for the holidays we're happy people with families and jobs.

There was no match making lol you could only play online with other people you knew who had the game

And they trusted Bethesda to not put out a turd. Just look at a single piece of art from Redfall and tell me that made sense.

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Forcing it to be a multiplayer looter shooter
Would've been great as a traditional Arkane game
Vampire RPG set in a New England style town sounds kino

The developers themselves pretty much said they didn't want to continue this game. It probably started differently, but were forced to go that way by a third party

honestly? too much fucking around at the studio.

bunch of shitskins on the cover

gay purple

one look at this and you can tell it's a shit game

Just look at a single piece of art from Redfall and tell me that made sense.

They probably fed MS bullshots and focused slice videos. From the right angle Redfall looks decent. Especially the environment direction In which case MS should be pissed they fell for the smoke/mirrors and it's a wonder Harvey Smith hasn't been publicly outed in a humiliating way.

blue hair trannies

Forcing a dev with experience at exactly 1 type of game to suddenly make a cooperative 4 player online shooter.

Just fucking retarded. Fuck microshit and fuck snoy, forcing every dev team to make the same exact bullshit in a giant gamble shotgun approach where they knew 9 of every 10 would fail and they'd just shitcan the studio. Seriously fuck them.

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microsoft loves gay nigger shit so they didnt need to lie

2 pajeets

Ugly niggress with an afro

Manfaced tranny

Oh wow, it is such a huge mystery why this game failed.

'fraid 'o

MS knew what they were buying. Redfall is the same as taking on Bethesda's debt in the transaction.

Harvey Smith

what's this hack working on now?

White feminist millenial women who live in california and new york.

I don't even understand why it even has an open world town
All of the missions lead you to linear levels
The open world is essentially just an area to traverse between missions

I remember playing this for one day with my friend and we we're like "wow this game is basically incomplete"

think about how cool a slasher movie villain simulator game would be after playing naughty bear

DbD comes out and turns to total shit

think of how cool a van helsing simulator would be

just a dude in a pointy hat researching, hunting and killing supernatural creatures by capitalizing on all their weaknesses

redfall happens

Every time I think of something I'd like, a finger curls on the monkey's paw

Arkane made games that weren't profitable for years because they had people at Zenimax protecting them and letting them make immersive sims, otherwise a completely dead genre in the AAA.
Either because they couldn't be protected anymore or because Microsoft got involved, they got told to make a live service game. They didn't really want to make it, so it was shit. They instantly started developing on an immersive sim after it released only to get canned because their "money maker" project flopped.

make a cooperative 4 player online shooter.

Redfall is literally a story driven game with co-op function sprinkled in. The game failed because no one wanted to play as Concord characters.

I doubt it cost anything to put out Redfall after acquisition cost. That gave them justification to close the studio.

The Van Helsing movie tie in game for ps2 is actually really solid. It's like a Devil May Cry-lite.

Nah. The story was put together with lazy ass tableaus and 90% of the missions reuse the same assets and structure. The 4 player looter shooter /open world aspect was clearly the focus with everything else being an afterthought that they ran out of time trying to implement.

EA canceled an almost complete thrill kill back in the nineties when they bought the studio because they thought it would harm their image.

take developer known for making finely crafted single-player immersive sims

force them to pump out multiplayer slop

What went wrong? Bethesda and Microsoft.

Name three other examples.

Redfall flopped but I don't think anyone really noticed. It was ignored more than anything.

darkfall
duskfall
nightfall

When a company buys another company the company being bought does everything possible to make short-term profits in order to pump up their valuation. That's what Bethesda was trying to do with Redfall. Problem is that since they're retarded business majors they thought they could simply copy other successful games (make it multiplayer live service!) and it would automatically pump out money.
So yes Redfall is a result of the acquisition even if it wasn't Microsoft themselves making the decision.

Starfield was genuinely a bigger hit to Bethesda's image than Redfall. People had low expectations for Redfall from the first trailer so when it turned out to be crap nobody cared. Starfield being extremely mid after the horrible launch of Fallout 76 has people very nervous about Elder Scrolls 6.

bethesda also has this weird base of counter-contrarians that will accept literally anything as long as it's the bethesda formula (because there's no competition) and go "um it's not THAT bad and I'm REALLY sick of people just mindlessly shitting on these games" whenever anyone criticizes fallout 4/skrumm/even starfield

think of how cool a van helsing simulator would be

just a dude in a pointy hat researching, hunting and killing supernatural creatures by capitalizing on all their weaknesses

Witchfire does a decent job at that, I guess

Yes but MS already knew it was shit that would flop, that was factored into the acquisition price. My job is working on these big corporate acquisitions and they do tons of due diligence. They knew what they were getting with Redfall.

Anon was talking about the classical portrayal of Van Helsing, which originally was a normal oldman with enough experience and tricks under his sleeves to hunt down vampires. The closest homage to this version of Van Helsing is ironic enough, Geralt from The Witcher, he can't rambo toe to toe with vampires and has to use tricks to defeat him.

I know. I was just recommending a game that I think is underappreciated and had nothing else to contribute.

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godfall
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daggerfall
dreamfall
crowfall

What went wrong?

The box art tells you everything you need to know

90% of the missions reuse the same assets and structure

You just described most of Arkane games. Most of enemies you fight in Dishonored are just bunch of humans, reskinned over and over again. It got even worse with Prey, where the enemy variants were just big alien blobs and small alien blobs.
Redfall even has side quests given from npcs, final boss, ending and everything you see from a single player game.

i can do this forever

kek

Robert Altman was the founder of Arkane

The same guy who directed Popeye and MASH and The Long Goodbye? That's actually wild.

Why the fuck was this post deleted?

No, Arkane's founder is Raphael Colantonio, same guy directed Dishonored 1, Dark Messiah and Prey.

Assets refers to more than just the character models (and reskinning an NPC/enemy is arguably not 'asset reuse'). Dishonored levels felt distinct from one another and outside of elements that would be 'reused' in reality as well (eg., apples, cigars, etc...) the environments did not reuse assets very much at all. Certainly not to the extent that Redfall did.

The goy knew, shut it down.

the jews
every time

So what the fuck is that article saying then?
"The death of our beloved chairman and founder Robert Altman"
I know about Colantonio but thought maybe Altman was a 'founder' in that he gave the studio money when it was first starting up or something.
I know game journos are scum but a 100% complete bold faced lie about a person's role in a company is uncommon even for them.

Robert Altman is co founder of Zenimax. Zenimax owns Bethesda and Bethesda owns Arkane.

The modern audience

Why are the black women on these covers always given such smug expressions, and are paired with the color purple? Every time.

As it turns out if you try to make your videogame employees make a game they don't want to, the talented ones all just walk out the door.

The reality is that videogame devs are extremely opinionated people that are underpaid, but are tolerating that underpaid position to work on something they enjoy. Your engineers could make more money programming for some soulless banking software company, the designers can get hired elsewhere if they know people (and they do), etc.

So basically the studio heads (Retarded suits who think owning the company on paper means owning the company in practice) tried to herd cats to predictable results.

You can blame modern corpo art teaching for that. In most of art classes and courses, they teach you how to draw a super detailed nigger and super vibrant coloring over anything else.

also curious about this, sick of it desu

people don't seem to want to pay money for 90% of a videogame

I played it on gamepass and had fun.

Return to form for Arkane.

no the fuck you didn't
i got a free copy when i bought my 4090
the game is ass

Shitty games go down better when you can play them for free.

If you can play games for free you still don't pick bad ones.

Microsoft forced the devs to continue making the game when they said that it would release like shit unless they remade it from the ground up.

Microsoft wanted a few scapegoats for the Activision Blizzard acquisition. Thats all there ever was to it.

Microsoft forced the devs to continue making the game when they said that it would release like shit unless they remade it from the ground up.

This statement implies Arkane was creating dogshit without Microsoft's influence.

Because that's the truth. I'm all for shitting on Microsoft but Redfall was entirely Bethesda's creation. The only mistake MS made was not releasing it for free.

Californians and New Yorkers

Vampires

Awesome

New England setting

Cool

Arkane

Alright

Diverse group of protagonists

Well...

Multiplayer

Uh...

Looter shooter

Fuck.

That poster told me everything i needed to know. You weren't being clever.

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I don't think Bethesda wanted them to make an absolute abomination. This company have always been prioritizing single player games and if you look back at Redfall in retrospec, the game is not even that big of an arena looter shooter, it still had single player campaign. Perhaps gamers nowadays knew better and stop consumming these aggressive nigger worshipping slops disguised as artistic games.

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It got even worse with Prey

Prey devs made a really cool enemy ecosystem. The "not enough" enemy variety hivemind-speak is really fucking dumb.
It crumbles completely when opposed with - compared to which game, and that's just a tip of the iceberg, not to point out the obvious, that it's not a fucking doom.

The "not enough" enemy variety hivemind-speak is really fucking dumb.

They are shape shifting aliens, in theory they should look the most diversed. Even the player's character is one, too.

It was so bad that most of the studio left because they didn't want to make it lol.

And you were right to do so

hot girl with afro > ugly girl with weird puff hair

Xbots and Arcaneshills

NTA - why was it being made in the first place if it so obviously sucked?

it probably seemed like a good idea in the planning stage

one letter

j or n?

Does there ever come a time in development where they check if the game is actually fun?

Greedfall

fun is problematic

It's a barren unfinished game that should ahve been scrapped 4 months into production.

nothing

A lot. And I genuinely think tokenism was a part of it. But also it was a single-player game that was forced to pivot to SaaS partway through its development cycle. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there was a situation like Colonial Marines where the abysmal AI can be tracked down to a typo somewhere in the code

Vampire

Demonic monsters of the night and hates sun light

She has a glowing halo and cartoony giant hands

What retard designed this?

Is that what they teach in business school?

starfield was bad but it still sold really well according to microsoft unlike redfall

It feels like Dishonored was Arkane's biggest fluke ever because none of their later games reach the similar level of success and critical acclaim.

vampires

Based

new england setting

Based

arkane

Based

multiplayer

Based

looter shooter

Based

diverse group of protagonists

God fucking damn it

It wasn't a fluke. Dishonored was made in France. Arkane Austin worked on the worst parts of D2, Prey, Fallout 76, and Redfall was their first fully inhouse project.
The problem was Arkane Austin and Harvey Smith being overrated. Competent designer. Shit leader.

It's genuine truth the Peter Principle is killing western games. These people needed to stay in engines making games. Not put in charge of multimillion dollar creative projects.

Nobody, apparently.

As always, the wrong question. They are not making a propaganda game for X audience. The important thing is to make a product that does not target the straight white men audience, everything else is irrelevant.There are two ways to do this:

'original' IP

redfall, concord, dustborn

contaminate an old IP (usually "sequels" or remasters)

homeworld 3, baldur's gate 3, kingdom come deliverance 2

Anon, Arkane's staff nowadays are the type of people Mark Kern usually make fun of. If anything, he is right, gamedevs nowadays have been too invested in politics, especially American's Leftwing.

the important thing is to make a product that appeals to know one

Nothing about the multiplayer looter shooter aspect prevented it from being very similar to Arkane's other games' level design. Nothing about it being open world prevented it from being like Arkane's other games' level design in regards to accessing various building and areas. There is absolutely no reason why the higher ups direction to make a co-op shooter resulted in the bland, boring shit Arkane created. They already had workable templates to adapt from Mooncrash and Death Loop.

Redfall is shit because Arkane wanted to spend more time designing their DEI crew and making a statement about capitalism while throwing a shitfit about having to include a couple features they didn't want in the form of co-op multiplayer and diablo loot. Arkane's twisted priorities resulted in decent talent leaving, and incompetent talent too stupid to just boot up older games and go, "How can we put some of this level design into our Gothic New England town?" and then do it. Nothing about what the executives wanted included prevented or was incompatible with the game still being an Arkane game in essence. Which tells you all you need to about Arkane's professionalism and why their games had been steadily becoming more and more shit prior to Redfall.

You are such a retard. You fell for the excuse. What, exactly, about the optional 4 player co-op prevented the game from being like a normal Arkane game? What, exactly, was so incompatible about Redfall's few online and looter shooter features, prevented the game from being similar to Arkane's other outings? Don't bother twisting yourself into a knot, the answer is nothing. They could have still had the complex level design, the cool powers, etc, etc. They didn't have that because they decided to prioritize the wrong things while whining that executives wanted a couple features that didn't get in the way of anything.

It's been done better by plenty before. Nobody wanted this genre and it just looks unappealing, without even a known IP to get attention.

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