Fallout

Don't worry, I won't have you lashed to a cross like the rest of these degenerates, it's useful that you happened by this Fallout thread.

mutants rising is all I have to look forward too

Ave. True to Caesar :)

what is it?

Fallout 4 really tried to make the legion again with the institute and failed.

I'M THE WANDERER

YEAH I'M THE WANDERER

I ROAM AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND

Imagine siding with Joe Cobb who wants to murder a whole town because some guy you tried to murder got away.

fallout 2 total conversion that's been in development for decades at this point.
I think the main questline is finished but who knows how long until we get a 1.0

Powder Gangers sound like a K-Pop group

A furry is calling me a degenerate? That normally only happens in loli threads.

Titans of The New West

The Institute actually had an entire interesting motivations and lore in concept and they dropped the ball.

Multiple infighting factions

Sabotaged the CPG, the fo4 version of NCR, years before the player arrives, by sending a synth assassin to kill their entire government in a meeting

nobody at the institute knows who ordered this, or if it was even ordered at all institute leadership wanted to help the surface, decide not to after this incident because the surface now hates them and soon they hate them back

could have gone in many interesting directions with this and their backstory, the FEV program, synths, revealing the institutes true goal of going underground forever, none of this is expanded on

people treat me weird for preferring FO3 to FO4 but even with 3's basic story I still prefer it to 4.

Even to an undermanned, undersupplied and disorganized NCR military, they would not be a road bump in an open fight

Quantity over quality or something. It's basically the equivalent of thousands of low IQ Germanic apes rushing into modern day France over the Rhine, Romans couldn't do shit. Replace Germanic apes with Caesar's Legion and Romans with NCR.

the whole history of Legion is couple decades old, you meet legionaries who were fighting against the Legion before being forced to join telling you "Ceasar burned my house down and enslaved my wife, I will give my life for him"

Kind of makes sense though.

that old faggot burned everything i had

might as well join him and burn other people's shit

Legion is cool and cringe at the same time. I prefer my idea of Enclave remnants uniting tribals cunts and wreaking havoc anywhere they can out of pure spite.

The railroad makes the absolute least sense, their only concern is how you treat your toaster and past that they have no lasting plans for the Commonwealth and everything would remain exactly the same

I like Moira too.
As flawed as they may be, the Bethesda Fallouts have far more cutesy female characters, like Moira, Piper and Curie

true

in concept

yeah and they dropped the ball by making their actual motivations fucking retarded and having no way to view them other than evil and hypocritical. They claim to want to be left alone, but they keep sending synths to fuck with the commonwealth.

No my main issue with them is their solution to "save" the synths literally kills them. It's supposed to be a moral quandary but... living in fear that will be stopped once the institute gets destroyed is surely better than dying and a new person inhabiting your old body? Like I don't think it's a bad decision if the Synth themselves agrees to it, but the Railroad keeps pushing it on them as if it's the only "safe" option when Acadia and for the most part just keeping it a secret also exists.

Not to say Fallout 4 didn't do anything right. Far Harbor was great and the factions in it do a much better job being morally gray. Nick Valentine rules and I like the fact that him very obviously being a synth makes him ironically liked more by the town since there's no ambiguity on what he is. Honestly most of the companions are really good.

For me, it's Nat.

They were at the Hoover Dam before the NCR and control all of Arizona and parts of Colorado and Utah. Not to mention they only treat the tribes like that because they need to civilize them while the settlements that aren’t living in the dirt can more or less go about their business while paying tribute.

you meet legionaries who were fighting against the Legion before being forced to join telling you "Ceasar burned my house down and enslaved my wife, I will give my life for him"

No lorelet you those that fight and lose either are killed and battle or get crucified. Who you meet are the indoctrinated children of those warriors.

from roleplaying perspective, there is no reason to join Legion whatsoever

Aside from wanting to play as a group that doesn’t do any of the stupid shit the others do.

They exist to be just Raiders in red armor. Even Chris Avellone apologized for how he wrote them and for making them joinable

Post hoc apologies from someone trying to save face. They’re no worse than any other faction in the series.

Tell me you have sub 100 hrs playtime without telling me you have sub 100 hrs playtime.

The Legion is winning in the Mojave because their soldiers are fanatics who obey orders to a fault and will never retreat, and the only man the NCR had that actively exploited the Legion's way of thinking has been relegated to a desk job and is so demoralized he's actively sabotaging the NCR's efforts in hopes of getting the NCR to withdraw. Meanwhile the Legion has spies embedded within the NCR command that have been there since before the NCR even knew the Legion existed. The reason they aren't a very engaging faction to join isn't because "muh slavery" "muh women's rights" r*ddit tier bullshit, it's because there's really nothing for the Courier to do besides tie up a few loose ends for Ceaser (and cure his brain cancer).

And yeah, Chris Avellone is a retarded hack who didn't even write the main quest which was mainly John Gonzalez's work

I prefer FO3 to 4 because the atmosphere and tone were far closer to the first two games than the weird colorful visuals of the fourth game.
The combat is ass but does anyone play these games for the combat?

literally who

Actually no, you're right anon. Fuck the haters, Bethesda at least was decent at making memorable characters in Fo3-Fo4.
Debatable at how "deep" and "well written" they might have been, but Three Dog, Nick Valentine, Moira Brown, Moriarty, etc. There was memorable characters in Bethesda Fallout games.

They’re no worse than any other faction in the series

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Oh, you're serious?
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Cope legion autism fanboy cocksuckers. You will never live in your legion larp fantasy with your little slave wifey who can't say no and the writers hate you

midwit gets btfo so has to pretend to cackle like a retard to cope

Let me guess you also call the Enclave “le heckin notsees”?

Piper's saucy lil sis, 12yo!

larp

It’s an RPG retard, it’s not live action but you’re definitely going to roleplay.

Nat is cute. I'd always buy a newspaper from her.

brings up nazis and culture war out of nowhere to cope with being a retarded autist

seethe

Its finished? I also have to play Sonora too, loved Nevada, thought 1.5 was lame and Olympus was okay but just a big promo for their game.

not yet. definitely play sonora + dayglow though. it's better than nevada in every way

still can’t argue

cries about culture war despite being the one that explicitly brought it up

Looks like I hit the nail on the head. Whats wrong can’t say how I’m wrong faggot? Maybe go back to your echo chamber and cry about the legion there where everyone that’s disagrees with you gets permabanned.

fallout 1 caravan job

run into mantis group

side with the legion

caesar, lucius and everyone else is still an asshole to me

I did not come back from the dead to be treated like this.

meanwhile bethesda fans:

have years worth of new 76 content coming and have over 20 seasons of updates

season 2 of fallout being entirely new vegas themed and having NCR Rangers in active combat from the leaks fighting to restore the NCR

Fallout 3 remake all but confirmed

Fully realized irl Fallout convention to meet fans

Fallout becoming a whole cultural phenomenon again and getting boosted by the algorithm even by the haters

meanwhile NMA and RPG Codex is dying and one of the biggest fans on Mutants Rising, TorontRayne, admin of NMA, was kicked from the team for being a nazi and a pedophile

BethesdaGODS won.

cries about culture war despite being the one that explicitly brought it up

point to where it was brought up you coping lying midwit LOL I never mentioned anything culture war anywhere.

I've been replaying New Vegas again which I haven't played in over 7-8 years (been replaying the whole series to give it review) Fuck, man I miss the atmosphere amd the vibe. Getting off the boat of Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 is like being forced to eat gruel and then getting a fine steak. It's insane how mich better it is than Fallout 4. F3 isn't terrible but it's full of garbage that makes it worse in many ways except exploration in my opinion. This time I'm replaying the game with Mr. House (never played with his faction) and exploring areas I've never been too before

siding with the stupid retard failure team

the real smart guys realize the reason the legion is rushing west isn't because it's the next stop on the chopping block, it's because they're fleeing the midwestern BOS, which is basically legion but superior in resources, technology, numbers and philosophy. the only serious ending choice is yesman and preserving as many factions as possible to offer up to the inevitable and unyielding midwestern BOS recruiters

point to where it was brought up

In your greentext here you pathetic faggot and you still can’t argue anything I’ve said so you’re just repeating shit I’ve said to you like every retard that gets btfo. But good to know getting called a midwit pissed you off that badly.

be friends with dickwads

be mad they treat you like shit

This is how it works IRL. If you have the right personality, it doesn't bother you.

didn't ask. time to die, tribal.

they would not be a road bump in an open fight

They would if every logistic and supply from Shady Sands to Vegas are known by the Legion... And yes they are.
Also, Kimball appointed Oliver as the general around there, pure nepotism and actually jaleous of the Rangers and he sideline them and his best commander Hanlon on useless turf that no one cares.
Not only that but consider the low morale, caravan merc making more money than a soldier and high rate of desertion with every Legion victory.

the whole history of Legion is couple decades old, you meet legionaries who were fighting against the Legion before being forced to join telling you "Ceasar burned my house down and enslaved my wife, I will give my life for him"

These tribals are violent people who before Caesar were violent and wage war with each other. They never knew any concept of society or any strength against "civilized" men. Their morals are alien to us and the wastes even. See how the Khans are twisted, they arent bad for most of them some are self aware but most got values twisted about strength and honor to their chief. Thats the wasteland, a tribe has stronger bond than a nation and Caesar aims to use this bond to forge an empire.

there is no reason to join Legion whatsoever

Caesar gives you enough reason, he gives you a legit criticism of NCR, rewards you and as a Profligate himself even considers you as a successor because he mints your face to his currency. An honor only reserved for Caesars even at the time of Ancient Rome.

They are supposed to be a killable mook faction.

They are supposed to be an invading army, not a nation.We have no structure of their governement, we only saw their army. Its a bit like a Fallout Sonora situation where we see a Mexican Army but only a governement. We only know they are authoritarian and imperialist.

bethesda doesn't know any characters from fo2 and new vegas, and only 2 characters from fallout 1

Especially silly when you remember that despite seemingly everyone in the NCR knowing that the Legion would collapse without Ceasar, and the camp where he lives being right there, nobody considered just bombing it (they clearly have SOME vertibirds). The Legion doesnt even have anything to counter that either.

The Legion doesnt even have anything to counter that either.

They literally keep their best equipement for the upcoming or elite squads of assassins against (You).
What you see so far in the Mojave are raiding parties whose role is to harass, demoralize and do terror attacks on NCR position.
On the battle of Hoover Dame they take Marksman Carabine, AMRs, Rocket Launchers, Ballistic Fists and Thermal Lances.
One sniper from the Legion with an AMR will destroy a Vertibird.

he gives you a legit criticism of NCR

His copium speech about hating a civilization isn't legit criticism. There's nuggets of truth about the NCR in there but it's nuggets in a giant pile of bullshit.

Caesar legitimately has lower INT than a molerat, the writers were biased against them, and you can clearly tell so because they even deliberately made it so siding with Joshua Graham gives lower gamerscore in the achievement than siding with Daniel. Legion are not supposed to work out long term. They are who they talk about when they say "War Never Changes", just a bunch of ideological zombies.

They know Coffin Willie from FO2 because the entire Kid in a Fridge quest from FO4 is based on him surviving being buried alive for months.

Las Vegas

Have they rewritten the plot to account for NV or are they pretending it doesn't exist?

he gives you a legit criticism of NCR

not really. he argues against the value of democracy in favor of a familiar dynasty, but his whole goal is to politically absorb the NCR and induct their values into his Legion to mirror the Roman empire.
He doesn't want to destroy the NCR, he wants to get rid of the political class and barony and return to something closer to Aradesh and Tandi's presidencies.

leave arroyo in fallout 2 for the first time

encounter Kaga

die immediately

How is it copium? He points out how the NCR continues to fuck itself and how the system was never really true to its own values by pointing out that both Aradesh and Tandi were pretty much presidents for life with little to no actual attempt to vote them out in the senate. Not to mention them blindly expanding to the point they can barely secure their own borders.

Have they rewritten the plot to account for NV

Yes and it has securitrons too, as well as plenty of other Bethesda era references. It's truly the secret form of dominance over the classic fans, enforcing Bethesda Fallout subtly using FNV as a proxy. The epitome of the based power of american gaming industry capital.

Rocket Launchers,

no they don't

One sniper from the Legion with an AMR will destroy a Vertibird.

that doesn't happen either

hate newspapers

That the truth is that when Tandi, a charismatic and influencal leader, was elected every 4 years and for 70 years. NCR had its golden age?
That a strong and populist leader like Tandi is a better form of governement than the succession of corrupt presidents and senate that wage war every where to artificially tax their citizens to run wars that would not benefit their own?
Thats a hard truth, you cant deny by saying it copium.

Because he gives no actual solution. His solution is a poor understanding of cherrypicked philosophy from old books and this is obvious to anyone with half a brain after seeing Nipton that his "Thesis, antithesis, synthesis" is just some ideological gobbledegook. Cause unbelievable human suffering for basically no reason, because the society where Legionary philosophy dictates the post-NCR is one that will kill itself even faster. TV Show hit the fast forward button on what was going to already happen to the NCR and recycled a plot line from Van Buren. Some crazy scientist nukes Shady Sands, which was already going to fall at some point.

Regardless of all that, the Legion is still a dead end, and you kill far less people and cause far less misery in an NCR playthrough than any other.

it takes place in 2261. no idea if anything from FNV will be in the game

What the FUCK was his problem?

tfw no secret ending where you reject the vault salesman and you and your family die in the nuclear explosion

yh thats the thing with dictators amigo, you call out their hypocrisy, you are instantly a greater threat than their closest rival

Avellone is a retard because he put his moral stance above his own work. If you're a professional, you shouldn't be apologizing for making a villain, you make them and let them roam in your fictional world, see what could they do and how far they could go, instead all he did was

hurr durr I want to make this bad guys similarly with irl bad guys thereforebeit I hate them as well and I vill turn them into fighting dummy so that players could beat them again and again. uh wait what do you mean by players being able to become them? they are bad, they shouldnt be joinable!

literal postmodern flaw in display right here

using restoration project

It's copium becase his solution is worse, and he's using that as a weak scapegoat. The NCR being corrupt doesn't justify any of Caesar's actions. It's just a fact of most governments period.

The Galactic Republic government was corrupt, so we had no choice but to blow up Alderaan for no reason and enslave a bunch of the galaxy

You can find it in other media, and likely find the same copium from real life history.

has lower INT than a molerat

It means nothing when Ulysses at 10 Int is a drooling retard.

Legion are not supposed to work out long term.

Caesar himself say by evoking (and by simplify) Hegelian dialetics that he intends to use his Legion to make a big change for the NCR to be more like a dynastic Republic. The long term plan is that, changing history by forcing cultural change through war.
A bit retarded if you want my answer yeah, but its not a very bad idea to reconsider when everything is fucked and the world is ashes. Lets begin again I guess.

Its not blowing up lr destroying, its simply mixing and forcing cultural change. Thats the long term answer.
Even if the idea is bizarre and crazy, in a world already destroyed thats novel idea to apply Hegelian philosophy to rebuild stuff. Its experimental but at this point what could be worse?

So you just exclusively get all of your information from memes? Because he absolutely gives you a solution. He explains how he doesn’t allow room for corruption by making sure he is the only one with actual power and that everyone is loyal to him and him alone and any that show any sign of disloyalty, dissent, or failure get removed even at the highest ranks.

Cause unbelievable human suffering for basically no reason

It’s called war retard and it’s how we as a species have been doing it for millennia. Let me guess you also missed the tagline of the series being “War Never Changes”.

TV Show

Fuck of normalfaggot.

in a world already destroyed thats novel idea to apply Hegelian philosophy to rebuild stuff. Its experimental but at this point what could be worse?

There are better solutions than committing a genocide, maybe? Even Arcade rightly calls you insane for thinking this will work out

On the NCR battle you see them with that or throwing plasma nades or some shit I dont quite remember.
Vertibirds are notoriously bad in combat anyway, thats been established since Fallout as a post war tech. It was never supposed to be used for combat. And yeah, one Anti-Material Rifle who can blow up Power Armor can definitly destroy a Vertibird.

ad hominem

believing dictatorial power is free from corruption

getting this defensive over just mentioning a piece of other media which used a pre bethesda plotline

Opinion dismissed

Aracade is emotional, even then, to get to this solution and world view. Caesar had to see some shit, both as child and man living in NCR and as Follower trying to educate and learning from the tribal.

There are better solutions

Perhaps, but in less than 50 years NCR is already repeating the same mistake as the USA. A massive cultural change is needed to fix its trajectory because under Kimball and his policies, they are heading straight to a wall even more so if they win the Mojave and expand. It will be their death.
The wasteland has to realise that they will never came back to what the USA was. Irradiation, muties and lawlessness in the 24th century made it impossible.
There are others way to live in the wastes, larping as a dead society isnt a viable solution neither.
Caesar brings good questions, but doesnt give good answers. Thats my personal opinion.

doesn’t know what ad hominem means

no argument

actually tries defending the show

Still at it midwit? Maybe try playing the game instead of just repeating shit you’ve heard people say on reddit.

pre bethesda plotline

No it fucking wasn’t, that’s just some gay shit Avellone said to try to tie the show in when it has nothing to do with that and they even have Bethesdas retarded cryogenics shit.

I'm going to wear your head like you wear that dog's

Too based for our world

this, I always feel like siding with Legion then I get to Caesar and shoot him in the face for being a dick