Bungie is fucked

it was never going to take off

Arc Raiders

I've never really played BRs or extraction shooters much, but that game looked kind of fun, and also it looked beautiful. (watched streamers playing it)

It looks really bad on twitch when your new game has 600 viewers

I saw Pestily (the Tarkov boomer with CCV in the thousands) complain a lot and then rage quit the game after his shots weren't registered. Seems like they didn't even pay streamers to shill it, they just gave them access and then prayed for the best.

Nothing we've seen from either Arc Raiders or Marathon suggests that either of them have solved the "kappa problem." How do you keep players engaged and playing the game for long periods of time without wipes and repeatedly grinding for an arbitrary reward?

There needs to be some sort of greater metagame than just doing the series of fetch and kill quests the game gives you. Something people can get invested in. Because "find 10 sprockets and extract with them" ad infinitum isn't gonna do it.

Yeah there needs to be an endgame. I think an easy solution would be to have season specific cosmetic rewards that would require a kappa-level time investment to unlock.

An ongoing story tied to quests with anime girl skins as rewards.

I don't think changing the nature of the arbitrary reward is a solution.

Perhaps if there were some sort of ring that slowly closed in on the players

Just actually watched someone play ARC Raiders for the first time and it looks amazing. That's the direction extraction shooters should be taking. Slow, purposeful gameplay with a focus on atmosphere and sound design. It's what I wanted Marathon to be.

Marathon is literally concord 2.0. An ugly slow paced hero shooter that doesn’t appeal to anyone.

Shit this is the most genius concept of all time let's put it in everything.

the arbitrary reward works better than any other solution. letting people work towards new permanent rewards will make the game actually feel worth playing

Reminder snoy bought them even after they went on the pro abortion twitter tirade.

slow shitty movement

no proximity chat

slow as fuck movement

dumb fat feminists in charge of it

clunky, slow, shitty movement

im gonna say it again because i want to hammer this point home SLOW, BAD, NOT FUN, MOLASSES MIXED WITH SAND TYPE MOVEMENT

This. My friend who’s obsessed with looter shooters dropped it after playing for 20 minutes due to how slow it was

arc raiders is basically nu-battlefront if it was an extractor shooter

If this was an extraction shooter set in the Halo universe, it'd probably be gettting a better reception.

However, Bungie is stupid.

They don’t own the rights for halo retard

I predict that marathon will have less top current players at release than arc raiders but will retain more players after a few months, the only game the embark devs did was the finals and that game is deader than destiny 2 at its lowest points, they just can't make a game stick, the finals was super hyped and no one fucking plays that game
Halo is a dead franchise

They could always use the british version, 'ello.

Niggita sort of solved this problem with EFT by including the rpg elements, detailed weapon customization and hideout upgrades. I only ever played SPT, didn't touch multiplayer at all, and the game had enough content to keep me entertained for 60 hours. By the time the game hits 1.0 it will probably be the only extraction shooter sloppa that is playable and enjoyable as a PvE experience, even before Forever Winter.

An old battlefeild backend dev is working on arc raiders and also worked on the finals. Thats why the games run well, it just takes one person on the team that actually is a real programmer.

That's the point. They sold off their cash cow and tried to make another, but failed to capture lightning in a bottle twice.

That makes a lot of sense. 5 seconds into watching the game it immediately reminded me of those games

I mean why not destiny instead, they actually own that IP and it's not considered as big of a joke as halo currently is. It would be more boring than using the marathon but it would sell more to destiny players, it would be way more boring though so glad they didn't do it

The worst part is the game was originally gonna look more like halo but they changed to the gay zoomer artstyle instead

clunky, slow, shitty movement

thats the biggest problem. It doesnt fit the bright, energetic artstyle at all. The artstyle is 99% of the marketing around this game and the gameplay doesnt match it all. Its even bigger downgrade than the shitty match 5 mobile games

The finals has some cool elements like environmental destruction, the art looks odd to me tho

just play apex

We're right, we tell them they're wrong
they tell us we're wrong and proceed to bomb, again and again and again and again and again and again

Even the visuals don't match what's in the trailers, in practice it was washed out colors and blurry as fuck.

it looks like destiny

Didn't he just get outted cheating at chess or some shit?

I'm immediately turned off by the copycat overwatch UI, looks like shit, there must be a reason no one plays it. Every single content creator talks about how the finals is the best arena shooter ever but no one plays it, maybe their checks didn't bounce like Bungie's did?

bn

what made you think you need to add that "n" next to b? fucking retard

Mom, I posted it again

Arc raiders was surprisingly good. Felt like I was playing graw again and I fucking loved it.

arc had 80k+ viewers on twitch today. Marathon currently has 326. its over

That's literally fanart of the OG marathon games, what are you talking about retard
He cheated on some chess tournament and thought no one would notice lmao
They never sold it, it was always Microsoft's, and destiny is also a cash cow anyways

Arc Raiders and Marathon both seem to be positioning the pve encounters to be raid like end game challenges.
I think it's a good idea, the scorpion thing in Arc Raiders looks cool I want to kill it

Marathon had 180k when the alpha released
Related to this, I think the reason marathon doesn't have voip is not because of "toxicity" and because squads would just team up to do these big PvE encounters, it's already happened with arc raiders, and I assumed happened with marathon in closed play tests, I still think they should add it and balance it some other way

Marathon had 180k when the alpha released

arc wasn't out yet, also didn't take more than a day for everyone to see how shit it was and bounce to other games

Marathon had 180k when the alpha released

that's what "from the studio that brought you halo and destiny" gets you. then they saw the game and noped out real quick

whats sony gonna do with bungie now? this latest flop will enable them to take full control after all

Or they could have just made a halo fps because the regular multiplayer shooter pool right now is quite shallow. We have fucking tons of hero shooters, looter shooters, extraction shooters, battle royale shooters, tons of "not your typical fps game, here's our gimmick" shit. Funny military shooters are sparse now.

that image is ancient you sperg

hopefully give destiny to a better studio

they paid 3.6 BILLION for this

Is this the worst acquisition in history?

They didn't take enough risks in the gameplay department. Trying to make it approachable for Apex or Destiny players makes sense, but there just isn't enough else to make it compelling. It could still be something, but I doubt they get the time to make huge changes

Trying to make it approachable for Apex or Destiny players makes sense

Apex players just want to play Apex
Destiny players just want to play Destiny

Then just invent a new ip and call it 'Ring land' or some shit.

played the tests of both games. if you think marathon's movement is slow and clunky wait till you play arc raiders.

Could this game kill Bungie if it flops hard enough?

Yes. They were already going bankrupt with destiny selling billions

MAD as FUCK over a single letter

R

I was an apex player i was hoping to jump to marathon but unfortunately it sucks

Imagine if someone made destiny, but with actual content and none of the gay space fantasy shit

Sony paid billions for this studio btw.

the funniest part is that Sony bought them for a premium

what is actual content for destiny?

Destiny sure is a unique one. It's like they tried to make it as bland as possible in purpose.

I still can't comprehend why they spent that much to not even own them

more baddies to shoot at, ideally some being sexy women in big suits of armour, more vehicles to drive around in, more maps, more stuff to loot that isn't just an icon in the most hostile UI ever designed

How do they lose money on Destiny?

Destiny is just Borderlands but extremely boring thematically. I wish there was something between the two, not super wacky but not dull as fuck either.

they should add it and balance it some other way

You just have the raid boss enrage and go apeshit when it's repeatedly getting attacked by multiple teams and detects they aren't fighting each other. People will use that to troll but you can find ways of fixing that too

Bungie can't be killed, destiny still makes money, they can just work on it forever. There is no way Sony isn't actively working on expanding the IP with something like the cyberpunk edgerunners anime. Even much smaller IPs like borderlands get movies now, and destiny actually has an interesting world. They'll make destiny forever which is what they didnt want to do with Halo, truly cursed

Both of those games are way past their prime. It's one thing to try and compete with a game when it's still got a huge playerbase, after it's died down it's far more doable.

I'm more pissed off knowing my s-o-y cousin, who feverishly LOVES Destiny 2 and Bungie shit, yes, even the bad Halos, is going to fucking love this piece of shit game.

By having 300 devs working on destiny and 600 working on other random projects, it's unsustainable and was probably some kind of scheme or scam so they could sell the company for more than it's worth, and it worked. It's not like destiny didn't make money, it was that it didn't make enough to sustain itself and like 5 other random projects

making a game that is a niche within a niche genre of shooters

thinking you’re going to get normies to play extraction

competition of just one or two other games can drop your player count dramatically because of how small the player base for extraction shooters is

very few people willing to watch or participate in your beta tests

they should have went back to the drawing board over 5 years ago

Its not cool, its not sexy, it doesnt have a new novel concept. There doesnt seem to be anything special about it other than that typical floaty bungie combat, which is comfy, but probably not enough

Buy forcibly making it worse with every addition made. They hade the formula near perfect by the end of 1

Borderlands is worse than destiny in every single metric. Seriously why do people enjoy this shit, the gunplay is atrocious and the comedy is just reddit the game

Sony buys ex Bungie dev studio

Loses $400 million+

Sony buys Bungie

Loses $3.6 billion

Was Bungie a Microsoft Trojan horse this whole time?

Kneel.

to be positioning the pve encounters to be raid like end game challenges.

This sounds like it'd be good on paper but in practice really annoying if you need bloodlet through 2h+ of PvP just to take one stab at a PvE map. Not even accounting for whether it has dogshit balance and is overtuned to obliterate you in 5m or undertuned so that dogshit normies don't get filtered and denied getting do the "loop".

NTA but it's better in a lot of respects in my opinion, destiny may have better gunplay and a more tolerable story, but I prefer the actual setting of borderlands, most of the guns feel like gritty industrial weapons, rather than the iphones you frequently get in destiny, the loot generation actually has some dynamism to it and you can get some really silly items whereas in destiny they feel 99% homogenous

Arc Raiders

I swear this game was in open beta 6 years ago and then promptly cancelled.

Well Destiny wouldn't even exist without it lmao. I don't care for the wackiness but the gameplay is so much better than Destiny.

Master Chief? You mind telling me what you're doing in that studio?

Sir. Finishing this fight.

The setting of destiny is undeniable super interesting sci Fi, not sure what's wrong with it. I think borderlands gun look like dogshit and destiny's still look more varied even though they recicle the same model 20 times. Yeah loot in borderlands is more differentiated since it's not an 8 year old live service game with a pvp sandbox this is to be expected

Bungo has made a total of ZERO good games

Arc Raiders shits on Marathon

expedition 33 shits on avowed/wokeguard

gaming is healing. smaller studios are the way.

I think that would be the concord studio that was promptly shut down. At the very least, they can fire the bungie management and string along destiny for a few more years

Incredible. I disagree with literally every point you just made.

The finals has a 24 hour peak of 19,896 today according to SteamDB. I suspect that's a higher peak than Marathon will ever have at launch. Hype for the game is like on the level of Suicide Squad.

It's kino. I have a feeling it's going to release this month or next. Hopefully they add another skill branch and more guns

Actually looks like concord art style/colors in this image lol

Marathon could be worse than concord and it would still beat those numbers

Man, Arc Raiders was fun as hell.
Really sad when the play test ended
Hope they announce the release date soon. Shame there was basically no threads up when the playtest was ongoing

I don’t really get the point of extraction shooters. Do you drop in, find cool weapons and then leave with them? Then what? Why would you go back in with them?

to kill other people and make them lose their stuff

not sure what's wrong with it.

interpersonal melodrama takes precedence over the setting

Ok but why not just play Fortnite or something. It’s the same concept

having valuable loot that you could lose makes combat way more meaningful and so becomes more fun. Also you can take everything off players you kill. basically fights are more intense

Why is no one talking about how the current reimagining of marathon has nothing to do with marathon?
Was the schizo time shit memory holed?
I thought a new generation of kiddiewinks knew how cool marathon was because of Red Vs. Blue.

Halo is a dead franchise

Because Bungie stopped working on it.
They were co-dependent.

lets make the ugliest looking game ever made

???
i dont get it?
did they think ugliness is a selling point?

also, why an extraction shooter?
there's like 5 people intersted in this genre in the entire world.

Why is no one talking about how the current reimagining of marathon has nothing to do with marathon?

How has your year long coma been, sir?

Wrong, Destiny 1 was great. Destiny 2 is where it all went to shit

I think the point is having more stakes in each fight. I'll try marathon when it's in open beta and see if they have actually made the first good extraction shooter. The negativity against this game looks manufactured and fake, none of the people who actually played the game said it was bad, just that it had some issues that can still be fixed, the question is will they fix them before the game releases or will they fix them 1 year after it release like destiny 1 and 2? Time will tell if Sony can tard wrangle Bungie

You don't understand.
Extraction shooters are so popular now, we're gonna make the big bucks!

Marathon infinity has several timelines, one goes into Halo, the other into Destiny and another into nu marathon, the more you know

went to shit right here to be precise

destiny 1 was great

I know this is a joke but it's funny that it's literally only Tarkov. That's it, that's the only big extraction shooter in the market, the closest second is Hunt and it has no players

cant wait for concord 2.0

extraction slop A vs extraction slop B

you're retarded if you care about either game lmao

GOOD

leaks suggest open playtest in June and release in July

none of the people who actually played the game said it was bad

None of them said it was good either. It’s the same bullshit people did with concord. They’ll say “well….its not bad..” because they are too scared of upsetting bungie

Any media or trend I don't like I just ignore until it goes away. I unironically have no memories of the following:

gamer gate (no fucking idea what happened and I think the narrative kept changing over the years

facebook/instagram/twitter

MLP

hazbin hotel

bobs burgers

any media released from 2016ish - 2022

any of the resident evil remakes or games after 5

anything about gacha games which when I was a kid were called gachapon and had fun toys inside. Now its just gambling and mental illness

the identity politics of the 2010s

the last few elections

almost any pop music or movies released during my lifetime

any of the publics sentiment on minecraft from b1.7.4 to now

this includes whatever the dream kid did

I could go on.
I forgot destiny existed. This is still a flimsy excuse to ruin an otherwise great fps.

he also proceeded to unsolve the problem by making all that shit not worth doing at all since it goes poof every 3 months and whenever they feel like it

It introduces some form of stake into the game.
If you've got something to lose, it makes your victories substantially much better.

In theory, it makes games far more fun. Early Tarkov was genuinely top tier. The problem is, we can't have nice things. The general public are degenerate scum and will always find a way to ruin it. The entire concept becomes corrupted through RMT, as it becomes easy to ascribe real world value which then when the game goes live it very quickly becomes inundated with Chinese farmers and cheaters.

1.0 won't have wipes in the only mode that matters (PvE)

having valuable loot that you could lose makes combat way more meaningful and so becomes more fun.

Does it? If anything it'd just encourage you to play extremely safe and campy (boring) because the risk of doing anything else is just too high

Marathon is a non existent IP, you retards talk about it like it was on the level of Doom back then. Nu marathon isn't "ruining" anything boomer. No one knows about it in 2025

let me just list all these things I can't remember

anon...?

in fortnite all of the gear stays in the map no matter what, you don't keep anything if you win and you don't bring anything you own in at the start

In an extraction shooter, every time you load in you're taking a risk by bringing your own equipment. If you get killed you lose everything, and by killing others you can take their stuff while they seethe. You're either arguing in bad faith or so retarded you shouldn't be able to breathe by yourself if you can't see the difference

Arc Raiders looked like this before trannycord was even a thing, retard

playing EFT for its PVE is the most retarded take I can imagine

Source?

it came to me in a dream

people play EFT for the guns and attachments. it's a mil-LARP for autistic people. pve vs pvp has no role in what they get out of it, which is attaching obscure pieces of equipment to their favourite gunfu

Yep, thought so.

I reckon they will shadow drop it next month during Geoff's Summer Game Show like they did with The Finals and The Game Awards

did you also dream about seasonal wipes being a thing or not?

In an extraction shooter, every time you load in you're taking a risk by bringing your own equipment. If you get killed you lose everything, and by killing others you can take their stuff while they seethe.

I can only see this going one of two ways
1. Top tier gear is only marginally better than basic stuff and you rarely bother taking the valuable gear because the potential cost of losing it is too high relative to the benefit
2. Top tier gear is massively better and kitted out players keep killing poverty players before they can reach the same level, ensuring they can never progress

If you asked me to be specific about what any of that shit is I'd just call it faggotshit and move on.
If I don't like it and it isn't important it might as well just not exist especially if I don't have to interact with it in any way.
I literally forgot destiny was a game.

why would I need to dream about that when it's been officially confirmed

they never did

Until the cheater problem is solved (which it never will be) It's the only way to actually have fun with the game.

Of course wipes are a thing, the genre can't properly function without them and I say this as someone with over 1000 hours in Hunt which doesn't have wipes and it's retarded as such

the genre can't properly function without them

Why?

Destiny originally had a ton of promise, for me they died after I finished the destiny 2 campaign and realized it was just the same disappointing game again

implying I said anything in your post

All I said is it was a good fps. Go jack off you sound so assmad for no reason.

yep, I didn't say it was a good model, just that I have the basic comprehension to understand how it's different from fortnight

Wrong, Destiny 1 was great.

The latter is what happens in Cunt Showdown.

the genre can't properly function without them

complete retarded gaslight
Wipes were only a thing because tarkov had no fucking content and adding and tweaking progression broke everything.
It was never intended as an actual mechanic and the genre can perfectly function without it especially when arc raiders is trying to sell you battlepasses with in game items included which would be an absolute scam otherwise

because it removes the entire thrill of the genre when gear no longer matters and everyone's using the best stuff available all of the time and doesn't care if they die because they can immediately buy/craft/unvault the same exact high end loadout over-and-over

I mean the game is out in September, I'm to assume the open beta would before that

This The only enjoyment I get out of Tarkov is looting new funs and slowly decking them out while also leveling up my skills and building my hideout. I don't care about dunking on "timmies" or being a "chad" or screaming "LET'S FUCKING GOOOO" at the top of my lungs after shitting on a trio with my Mosin. Give me the oozi nein millimeter, the 12 gauge autoloader and the phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range and let me listen to the ASRM sound design while loading it, I don't care about any of the rest.

call it marathon

it’s not marathon

I mean there’s one issue

It can, it's just people have been warped by the early access model and have become Sisyphean cucks as a result.

understandable
I played destiny quite recently and even still my only real memory of it is this pre-release concept art

They rushed the deal as a desperate counter to Microsoft's buyouts. Yes, they actually took Microsoft seriously enough to still be scared of Xbox at that point.

I don't see the problem with that, that's how it works IRL too.

No because you're forced to extract before timer runs out which forces you into PVP because you share same extraction with enemies. Plus if you want to make any substantial progress you need to go to highly trafficked areas to loot where you constantly engage in PVP.

Them deleting basically all of Destiny 2 was still so retarded. They should've just made a Destiny 3 at that point, as well as released Destiny 1 on PC. We would at least all have a proper trilogy to play, flaws and all. Destiny is a completely broken, unfixable IP. I hope Marathon does them in.

releasing at the same time as the likely month of your biggest competitors's wipe will roll around

EL
MAO

ive got like 100 hours on tarkov and never touched pvp at all. i just played modded SPT. the ai mods you install basically make the bots indistinguishable to human players. plus questing and looting ai is all simulated as well.
SPT > EFT

It never stops pissing me how much better the idea is than the finished concept is with Destiny

if they are smart they release it soon because summer is when most people can play fps games 24/7.

Source?

Yeah and now, they're going they're unironically about to lose a potentially serious lawsuit because they deleted content from althe game and the only way they can prove it existed is through YouTube

September 23, 2025

It's on the store fronts

Is this 7.62? I've been meaning to play it. Marauder was awesome. Any recommended mods?

Nah, not having wipes is fucking dumb

t. can use the very best gear forever in Hunt thereby removing most of the tension where the genre thrives

They deserve it. Also it's so bizarre how they did this so shortly after the game turned free to play. There was a period you could play everything before Forsaken for free (iirc) and it was actually a pretty good time. Those DLC stories might have been kinda ass but at least it and Red War did a good job of introducing mechanics to new players. Ever since then Destiny has had a terrible onboarding experience. Bungie are fucking retarded

it's wrong, there is no date yet. 2025 is the only official word.

the ai mods you install basically make the bots indistinguishable to human players

lmao no they don't

was probably some kind of scheme or scam

i love how you retards still don't see what is going on right in front of you.

THE TALENT IS GONE.

There is no scheme, there is no evil plan. The gaming industry has been filled with people who can't make games do to shit like DEI. We are witnessing the fall of a part of society due to incompetence and low skill. It's that simple. This is a cross all industries btw

Everything you need to know on the /&tg/ rentry:
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In Bungie's case, it was a mix of DEI and the CEO firing people so he could free up a few million from the Sony acquisition money to buy old cars.

they really still pay nolan north stupid money to record about 50 lines of dialogue a year and all of that dialogue is just state the obvious shit

Yeah they know it, Sony is probably already making the preparations to fully absorb them.

Thanks king

I know people would bitch but it seems silly paying a voice actor to pretend to sound like an AI when you can just get an actual AI to do the voice now

This, most of the boomers retired, the few skilled millenials are getting gaslit out of positions and all the generations below are inept tiktok bred fucking retards

What is more curious, is this Arc Raiders game released yet? Is this Marathon released yet?
If not fuck off marketers.

I get that you guys don't play games but the witch queen and final shape expansions were some of Bungie's best campaigns and they were released recently, how can you say the talent is gone?
They have some Halo OGs at Bungie still, like the halo 3 guy that was in the marathon reveal and the current destiny director is pre halo and looks EXACTLY the type of trustworthy white nerd you want at the helm

If PvE EFT is shit why is there always butthurt people saying Niggita ruined the game by adding it ?

The best part of all this? Sony's still not out of the woods even after Marathon flops and the dust settles from it. They still also have Fairgame$ coming up.

the problem with extraction shooters is that they don't realise why tarkov is popular. Then they do a half assed job copying it, mash it together with some mediocre shooting then try and live service the hell out of it.

then when it inevitably fails they learn nothing. $40+ for a lame duck extraction shooter with full battlepass and FOMO cash shop

I got into both playtests and for me it simply came down to Marathon was a lot more fun in groups and dogshit solo and ARC Raiders was a lot more fun solo and kind of trash in a group, so I'll happily play both of them

I think Nolan ghost sounds kino, he sounds like a dorky but reliable and competent "person", AI can't replicate it's soul

To the guy that got the drop on me and started shooting me and I responded by saying "hold on. I'm jerking off" and then proceeded to kill you, I'm sorry

This game so so fucking dead on arrival, Why the fuck would anybody willingly choose to buy Marathon over Arc Raiders?

people think anything is destiny is quality

You have such low standards in your life that you actually believe this. I couldn't imagine having that low of an expectation. How the fuck do you live day by day?

Get some standards and principles you braindead NPC zoomer retard. Destiny is creative trash. There is nothing there. You are so used to trash that you think slightly less smelly trash is brilliant.

Actually, I want you to kill yourself. You serve no purpose to humanity

Thanks for signing all your samefag fud posts with tranime

Leave sharteen.

They're getting rid of all the woke shit now, that's the reason we haven't seen it yet lol

Ok

They need to just silently cancel that game and absorb the studio into other studios. They HAVE to know by now that it's going to be a total loser.

players dropping off a cliff

still cant get an invite

I hope they kill off the gay destiny couple (Osiris and saint) they really out stayed their welcome and everyone fucking hated them in the vex episode after the final shape, insane drop in quality

They're getting rid of all the woke shit now, that's the reason we haven't seen it yet lol

anime website

Where are the people who made Halo:CE, anyway? Surely none of them are still with Bungie.

but anime is normie tier now

The First Descendant had a better artstyle than this.

because third person is cringe as fuck for a supposedly competitive shooter

There is literally no reason to make arc raiders third person other than to sell skins

Based and sivapilled
Ignore all of the haloman faggots

The funny thing is Marathon alpha was supposed to be under heavy NDA with no footage sharing but after Arc Raiders started with no NDA and fully streamable with zero limits they had no choice but to remove the NDA hahaha, embark keeps winning, plus proximity chat is in Arc Raiders but not in Marathon because muh toxicity. Bungie is an american studio and Embark from sweden, really makes you think what the hell is going on with amerishart companies

We fucking did it bros.

and what did they release inbetween those 2 expansions anon?

I say add more random encounters, more players, more RNG (everyone loves gambling), and personally, I really like stats like in dark and darker. So you can min-max certain attributes like speed or health or looting speed on the gear pieces, etc. I get it this game has a shield not individual pieces of armor and isn't a fantasy RPG, but anyway.

And marathon is considered competitive while they have abilities like wallhack and invisibility?

Maybe

I never said that, I think Marathon looks awful, but a third person extraction shooter is absolutely retarded

Marathon will fix everything!

I find it funny that ubisoft had it with the division 1 dlc survival and that was fantastic.

I need to be able to see muh character

extraction shooters are not competitive shooters at all

what do games like this and Concord even spend the time and money on? Concord was just some models on a map doing TDM, no real programming and scripting required.
Marathon has some AI bots at least, but they've literally ripped animations from Destiny and probably tons of other baseline work like gun handling, networking infrastructure, etc. no other intensive programming required. afaik even the "hardcore extraction loot" aspect is just icons you hand in to menu bounties. it's not all functional items and Anon Babble autism like Tarkov, which also has complicated body and health modelling, ballistics and armor, base building progression, etc.

i'd say it was all a huge money saving exercise to have customers buy into a shit genre with zero work required, aside from asset creation, but they are still somehow costing 100 millions over many years (and not selling).

this shit makes CoD look high effort. it might be the yearly sports game of FPS, but they still ship with entire campaigns, PvP, BR, zombie co-op, etc.

Lightfall which was dogshit filler crap, they aren't consistent, but they do release good content, my point is that if there were no talent there wouldn't be any good content at all

I think its because third person makes it easier to understand what's happening when giant enemies are around

No it works for arc raiders cause the movement and parkour system is surprisingly great

Cheating in multiplayer games should unironically be a crime punishable with prison time

Agreed, cheaters are such a massive problem these days, the cheat providers also get filthy rich, put these scumbags all in jail already.

Bungie is literally suing cheat providers and apparently it's working

Agree in theory. As the second real world value starts being attached it becomes tantamount to theft. Problem becomes detection and enforcement combined with that level of government intervention will literally destroy video games as we know them.

I don't consider progress until all XIM users are beheaded.

genre where rat camping is already enticing

make it 1000x easier by making it third person so you can just corner peek freely

it's dumb and I guarantee the biggest point of feedback several months after launch when the new game smell has worn off will be people asking for a first person playlist

still buying it

this does nothing, look at warzone, these fake e-thot whores literally make a living out of cheating in a video game and nobody is doing anything, we live in such a fucking clown world where people get away with being criminal pieces of shit... don't even get me started on crypto

the only appeal for me its the big robot rest of the game its boring looting and shooting drones and players like you re in ucraine

this is already the biggest critic but what can embark do about it? it's pretty much set in stone that this game will forever be a 3rd person shooter

make robots want to eat your ass if your seen as "camping"

give players tools to notice if someone is hiding somewhere

Corner peeking with shotguns will still be very strong though

I just want Arc Raiders or another game to kill Tarkov

I just want someone to mash stalker and tarkov together so I can stop playing other games altogether

shotguns are already the best weapons in the game without including corner peeks

Good, fuck Bungie. Marathon looks like shit and Arc Raiders at least has some potential. Plus its made by The Finals guys and that game felt really smooth to play.

GAMMA?

spend half a decade completely alienating your fanbase with destiny 2

rerelease destiny 2 with a paintjob and be surprised nobody is interested

The gameplay is totally generic cookiecutter out-of-the-box unreal engine blueprint FPS
Why don't these games try something unique, to make it actually fun to PLAY? Did they forget that games are supposed to be PLAYED?

more br/extraction shooter gay shit

Cool. How about a normal team shooter? No, 5v5 assfaggots/heroshooters for retards disguised as shooters aren't real shooters.

Please look forward to Niggita's next project, Russia 2028.

I just think it's very funny they took this series that anyone who talks about it talks about the story and the gameplay as a compelling single player experience, and they thought hey let's just ignore the reason anyone who knows this series likes it.
Why waste the IP like this?

Oh poor naive anon. You know full well games are just the secondary addition to an $80 cash shop.

because the CEO that buy expensive cars can rape and fire anything he wants

i just want more clones of helldivers 2 with more players and different gimmicks

One part of me wants Arc Raiders to shit all over Marathon, but another is still mad that Arc Raiders was transformed from something more akin to Destiny or Warframe into an extraction shooter.

clones of helldivers 2

On an engine that doesn't run like absolute dogshit? Sure. Hell, you could very easily adapt the Helldivers formula for a game set in Vietnam. Play as LRRP or some other muh speciul forces, get dropped in as a Huey in the middle of the jungle, kill some Charlies and wait for extraction.

deleting Destiny 2 content

To this day I still can't believe they did it and tried to gaslight everyone how it's good and necessary. Also sunset weapons. Jesus what a joke of a company.

the finals exists and is free, it's right there

Marathon is going to bomb simply for the fact that unless it is delayed, it's going to release right around the EFT 1.0. If Niggita isn't retarded he'll get his ducks in a row and make that coincide with an eventual Steam and EGS (lol) release.

Honestly Arc Raiders looks not different. Just another extraction shooter just not neon green nor do you have abilities. Both suck shit but what does Arc Raiders have over Marathon that matters. Besides not having a dogshit corpo cyberpunk art aesthetic.

I remember you fags defending Bungie being shit and blaming it all on Activision for everything bad with Destiny 1.
And now that they're free you're saying the Activision version was good? Holy fucking mother of all cope.

the finals

Which part of that post did you not understand?

Just give me Tarkov without the cheaters and the jew devs milking every penny from their pay piggies for a p2w leg up

Man I just want a new big FPS to play. I want these games to be good but this looks like the definition of mid. Bungie are supposed to be FPS kings at least for casual fun what are they thinking releasing something that's objectively inferior to Apex a game released years ago that kind of sucks ass itself?

Blank check to make any online shooter

Makes watered down hero shooter with no balance and barely any player vs player

D1 was not great, but it was new
Vanilla was a horrible experience but there was some novelty in strikes and raids. From there, most expansions introduced something that, albeit bad/mediocre, was new and hard to find in other games. Trials was gorgeous when it launched; now in d2 it's a much better system but it's been played out so much that it lost its charm (apply this last phrase to literally EVERYTHING in destiny, except maybe raids)
The destiny community has been chasing this d1 nostalgia feeling without knowing that the game will never go back to those times, especially considering what an abomination of nature the thing has become over the years

That's actually what Tarkov was suppose to end up being when the game fully launches, the idea was to just smash all maps together into a huge open world map.. but they dumped that entire idea pretty quickly

Finals is class-based lol, not a hero shooter.

it's not hero or assfaggots. It has multiple game types and is just a normal (and relatively fresh take on) team shooter. are you specifically looking for large battle like BF? otherwise you sound like some generic bad faith andy

This game is out?

It's called PvE lil' bro. Any PvP extraction sloppa is going to have yuge amount of cheaters simply because of RMT, get used to it. Not to mention, if you sole enjoyment out of a game is shitting on other players then it's probably a bad game to start with, even Tarkov the patient zero has redeeming qualities besides being le chad simulator.

It's a small team sweatfest with absolutely stupid gamemodes. It's anything but a normal let's say 12v12 team shooter.

was Bungie ever a good company or was Microsoft just exceptional at wrangling in their retardation and forcing them to stay on track?

AI post.

if you sole enjoyment out of a game is shitting on other players then it's probably a bad game to start with

??? What kind of boomer retardation did I just read. Stop typing and tab up Oblivion again, holy shit

this needs to be delayed by at least 6 months so they can implement actual extraction shooter mechanics
simply no way it stands any chance at all if it releases this year

Tbh I appreciated that Finals is a bit different without being different in only the worst ways (contrasted with hero slop) but I do understand what you mean. There's just a real serious lack of decent 'normal' shooters nowadays. CoD is a fucking disaster of mismanagement, obnoxious clashing aesthetics and fucked up retention mechanics. Battlefield is still in the shitter and nowadays full of microtransactions as well. Everything that is at all doing decently is some variety of hero shooter, BR or extraction shooter.

TDM

Point Capture

KoTH

I mean sure the "gameshow" mode that they came out with originally is "stupid" to a lot of people but otherwise it's got the generic shit all shooters do.

The main reason pretty much all shooters now do 4v4/5v5/6v6 is because it's easier to design smaller maps and if you're going to jump up you may as well do 40v40 and target BF. You're looking for a format that doesn't exist anymore because the market showed developers that smaller teams are both more popular in general and also cheaper to produce content for

extraction

slow

purposeful

sound design

So Hunt Showdown?

I don't play Destiny. Can someone explain the lawsuit to me, please?

Hmm. I guess I could pirate Tarkov and then download SPT. SPT says it checks for official game download, but I'm guessing that's just to cover their ass?
I really don't want to give BSG money

This artstyle can only look good in curated shots like the one you posted. Minimalism thrives on intent, but you won't be able to curate the shots the player actually sees in a free camera game, so during gameplay marathon looks nothing like this at all. During actual gameplay it looks like you forgot to download CS:Source.

The short film they posted is good, but having all those high-quality advertising materials in service of an extraction shooter/apex legens hybrid is just laughable.

No it's not to cover their ass you need to literally download a pirated copy of SPT if you want it to work.

I just don't care for the zoomercore Finals seems to goes for. If it was a more grounded game then maybe it would feel better to me but I'd still rather have a normal 12v12 shooter.

CoD is a fucking disaster of mismanagement, obnoxious clashing aesthetics and fucked up retention mechanics

CoD is a disaster period. The last CoD I really played and enjoyed was WaW. The last Battlefield I actually liked was V and it wasn't perfect either so basically I've had nothing to play since like 2020 when they killed V off.

The main reason pretty much all shooters now do 4v4/5v5/6v6 is because it's easier to design smaller maps

No. The reason is these retarded devs are obsessed with muh balance and muh esports dogshit. It's also popular with normies because in these smaller team games the biggest retard can still get carried by 4 or 5 people who have half a brain and still believe he contributed to a win.

Boy do i have a shitty russian game for you, they even had a trailer on last TGA of all things and nobody still gave a single fuck about it.
youtube.com/watch?v=hPfdONIcZOY

What? It states pretty clearly you need an official copy of Tarkov for Single Player Tarkov to work

You know, this confirms concord's artstyle can work if you're not making a hero shooter. In a hero shooter heroes should be cool or weird or hot, larger-than-life. This kind of lumpy realistic sci-fi-hobo core artstyle really works in an extraction shooter when you do actually play a rat hobo with sci-fi gadgets. Character creation and customisation helps too.

Turokframe from Spacemarine2 devs soon.

smaller studios are the way

It's all people. Arc Raides studio (that also did Finals) has some ye olde battlefield tech guys, so their shit looks good and runs good.

I thought you meant it to cover their ass and they don't actually check. They do check if it's a legit copy.
Last time I downloaded SPT pirated it was on cs rin, I don't know what's the state of SPT nowadays.

i dont want that gayer exoprimal bastard child

That's literally fanart of the OG marathon games