But sister, I don’t want to play the piano anymore

But sister, I don’t want to play the piano anymore

guys the game is called Clair Obscur and one ending is dark, shot in shadows, in black and white, and oppressive, with horror movie cuts and sound effects usually used to create tension, everyone looks pained

the other is happy, hopeful, filled with hugs, the crew waving goodye, the sick mother alive and well, the burn victim smiling and facing reality, mom and dad hugged, her older sister there and smiling at everyone, and the game's musical theme is playing

BOY I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS INTENDED HERE IT'S ANYONE'S GUESS REALLY UHH I WOULD SAY THERE IS NO GOOD ENDING HAHA

wewlad

Paintings don't have feelings unless my super cool self-insert does

After all these years, I have finally become the Expedition 33

I don't want the game to end
I don't want Sciel, Lune Esquire and Monoco to die
I don't want Alicia to feel pain at every breath she draws.

They could have meant anything by having Verso and Maelle both crying and the horror sound effect is just your opinion, you can't objectively say a sound is horrific.

This is a kino shot.

everyone looks pained

Everyone but Verso is smiling. And Maelle's face is a bit hard to interpret.

the other is everyone you met during the game being murdered.

Fixed that for you.

Both endings result in everyone in the painting being killed, because Alicia killing herself in the painting like she promised Renoir she wouldn't do is just going to ensure he burns the fuck out of it. She doesn't care because she's an addict and only cares about herself.

tfw I'm older than the real Verso when he died

There is a difference between dying today and dying decades in the future.

Their months have at least 33 days in them so he might have lived more days than you.

Get fucked loser, shouldn't have lied to the party on 20 separate occassions
Enjoy another 50 years of your life lil' bro :)

It was funny seeing Maellefags getting btfo'd so hard about her ending being good that they had to switch narratives to both endings being bad

YOU CAN'T JUST KILL EVERYONE IN THE PAINTING

OKAY ACTUALLY YOU CAN BUT ONLY AFTER I'VE GOTTEN WHAT I WANTED FROM THEM

Maellefags...

If my post ends in 1-9 Maelle fag are right if it ends in 0 Verso fags are right

gustave send his regards

Who said I'm ok with it being destroyed later? But the game only gives 2 options. And of those 2 one is much better because thousands of people get to live decades of extra lives.

And look how happy they all are!
When Maelle is silently crying she's obviously very happy

And their children get to live in fear of inevitable erasure instead.

Verso doesn't deserve to get what he wants after all the people he betrayed.

Maelle dies, Renoir destroys the canvas

She's 16 years old with godlike painter powers. Shut the fuck about having to live in the real world. If Alicia and Aline weren't utter retards they'd manage years within the painting while coming out for breaks.
But no, gotta be theraputic escapism at the cost of your death instead.

betrayed

You're trying too hard.

Happens in both endings.

Alicia will die one day regardless.

Oh wait, so what happened to living longer being better?

In her ending she gets to spend her time in a whole body where she can talk and spend it with her friends and people who love her.

She would be able to do that AND live a longer life if she could just visit the painting in moderation. But she wasn't willing to do that because she's a selfish drug addict who doesn't actually care about the outcome of the painting, only about seeing as much Verso as possible while she dies.

Gustave would've found a way to save everyone.
He would've convinced Maelle to return to the real world, he always wanted a better life for her.
He would've found the way to save the Canvas and all people of Lumiere. He would've worked on a way to free Verso's soul but still maintain their world.
Verso was too old, too jaded
Maelle WA too young and naive
Gistave had enough experience to accept reality, yet spirit to fight against impossible odds and persist and a creative mind to think outside the box. He invented Lumina conventer after all, and without it they would've never made it.

Did you not play the game? Verso betrays his companions all the time. It's his most consistent character trait.

brings everyone back

Hey guys my Dad will come kill probably come kill your children, maybe even you guys I'm not sure how fast time moves here compared to the real world. In the meantime you can be my brainwashed puppets so I can live out my larp fantasy in Lumiere. Even though I absolutely hated living in Lumiere at the start of the game because deep inside I know that I don't belong in this world

I hope they add a Gustave route with DLC.

And then he would've made cute babies with Lune. Because he's the real hero and deserves the best girl.

Based. I hope the DLC is a what-if scenario where Gustave lives.

Oh wait, so what happened to living longer being better?

She will live decades either way. Either inside or outside. We don't know which version will live longer.

She would be able to do that AND live a longer life if she could just visit the painting in moderation.

That's not an ending in the game, so that's irrelevant.

Do you think they would prefer to not live at all?

my brainwashed puppets

Baseless headcanon.

v*rsotards are so filtered. go choose your avengers ending and let us appreciate the canon one. And you will play (le) piano.

She will live decades either way. Either inside or outside. We don't know which version will live longer.

Absolutely incorrect.
Alicia would objectively live for longer outside of the canvas, because after Verso's painting is destroyed she can discover a healthier relationship with canvases and her own art.
Then she can spend hundreds or thousands of years inside canvases over her lifetime just like her parents.
The alternative is a questionable amount of years inside one canvas that gets burned anyway

Maelle's face is perfectly simple imo. She looks happy on the surface but with a sense of insecurity and concern beneath. The animators did a great job with it. She looks like she wants to enjoy herself but on some level is obviously aware that she shouldn't really be there and is destroying herself.

MAELLE WINS

No one's being mind controlled by Maelle and she doesn't need to in order for the ending to still be bad. Verso is forced to continue an existence he hates and both Maelle the people of Lumiere live on borrowed time since either Maelle dies in the painting or Renoir/Clea return to pull her out triggering another period of suffering

because after Verso's painting is destroyed she can discover a healthier relationship with canvases and her own art.

Then she can spend hundreds or thousands of years inside canvases over her lifetime just like her parents.

Will she do that? Or will the trauma from everyone she knew getting murdered mean she will not want to paint again?

Piano playing slave verso

not brainwashed

You can go cope in fantasy land in the game anon, you can't do it in real life

she brings Lumierans back to life, and she herself lives a happy life.
it's all delusions, that's true, but is she really happy as a Alicia? she did some horrid thing that caused Verso's death, her sister and mother hate her, she can't talk, she's in constant pain, and half her face is burned.
she's been living 16 years as a native Lumiere citizen, she made friends and family - Gustave, Sciel and Lune, and on top of that her keeping the canvas alive allows Lumierans to live their lives peacefuly and die like humans, and not like some dogs. she is deliberately sacrificing herself for all those people, to her they are REAL, because she's been there living for 16 years, and maybe to her these people are way more important than a family she has in real world.
besides - in real world Verso's death didn't happen that long ago, and yet gommage has been going for 77 years inside the painting, so if we're being optimistic, Alicia could keep Lumiere alive for at least few generations - isn't it something good?

to painters these are only some creations, illusions, not real things, but imagine if some galactic entity with super powers came to earth and said "well fuck you guys, you are not real and im going to make you all extinct", not cool, right? and imagine if you'd have the power to stop it and save all humanity sacrificing yourself, giving all humans many years of life.

Whether you believe there is a good ending or not depends on if you view the people in the painting as real or not.

Gustave actually died, she didn't bring him back the same way Lune and Sciel got revived. Gustave in the Maelle ending is a fake Gustave created with biases Maelle has. He is basically brainwashed

We saw how someone being controlled looked like with painted Clea.
Verso looked nothing like her.

Source: I made it the fuck up

the trauma from everyone she knew getting murdered

Did you even watch the fucking ending where she sees everyone smiling and waving goodbye to her?

Verso in Maelles ending is not brainwashed, because Alicia isn't strong enough to paint over the creations of others.

It's either the original painted Verso, or a NEW painted Verso done by Alicia.

Of all these threads I've been in, I haven't seen anyone mention that the holes in her face here resemble her burns, even the missing eye. To me this conveys not only that her strength is fading and she's dying in the outside world, but also that even inside the painting, the scars from her burns continue to follow and haunt her, and she is not truly happy at all, she's simply trying to cover it all up with paint.

Or will the trauma from everyone she knew getting murdered mean she will not want to paint again?

Are we getting to the stage where we just pretend to have not watched the endings now?

He would've convinced Maelle to return to the real world, he always wanted a better life for her.

By the time Maelle gets her painter powers she wants nothing to do with Alicia. The final choice is less about her going back to life as Alicia and more handing her body/consciousness over to Alicia. Renoir left the canvas cause he thought he was talking to his daughter when it was really Maelle tricking him into leaving. Verso caught on to her which is why he stops playing nice and they fight.

What was your favorite biome and why was it Sirene?

real world

Depending on how long time passes, if she was gone a month he might have died of old age

she is deliberately sacrificing herself for all those people

No she isn't, by killing herself in there she's damning them. Renoir relented on destroying the painting because she promised she would be responsible about it and not just kill herself. If she would just regularly leave then the painting would exist forever. She knowingly damns them all instead of just taking fucking water breaks.

Seeing your dead friends is a clear sign of a healthy mind

Probably a new painted verso, since his scar on the eye wasn't there anymore.

That seems like reaching, she just has those markings that are showing that she's inside the painting and they don't show her other eye because in the real world she doesn't have it.

Maelle dies, Renoir destroys the canvas

you mean Alici? we don't know that.

besides i want to remind you that it's all fault of Aline who wasn't able to overcome the grief of losing her son. if she wasn't so fucking obsessed with Verso and the painting the canvas would be kept in peace. canvas itself wasn't at fault at all, it was Aline who fucked shit up.
if she wasn't like this, then Renoir wouldn't have to destroy the canvas.
all members of the family could just jump in to the Verso's painting to spend some time with him once in a while, but Aline's grief was too destructive for her and her close ones.

imagine if you'd have the power to stop it and save all humanity

You are not saving humanity. You cannot use this point and then concede that they are all dying anyway
You could even argue very easily that you are damning thousands of worlds like Verso's to complete destruction by breaking apart the painter's family. You are killing potential untold trillions of people by selecting Maelle's ending.

After all the expeditions he saw come and go i don't think he gave a shit about them anymore

The Galacitc being is what God is to lots of Religious people. He decides to give the gift of life and he takes it away, not a big deal.

The Only chance Lumiere has for long term survival is Maelle leaving the canvas and proving to her father that she has enough self control to resist the painting. That was the only way she could have saved the painting, she doesn't give a fuck about the people in the painted world though, she doesn't give a fuck about Versos soul, she doesn't give a fuck about her family. She only cares about living in her fantasy land. That is the Maelle you create by chosing her ending

This is a point Maellefags forget about

You mean seeing your friends parting ways with you in a metaphorical sense, smiling and waving while ultimately disappearing while showing the world outside as the camera pans out?
Yeah I couldn't possibly understand the potential connotations of that

Maellefags forgot all about my baseless headcanon

Renoir relented on destroying the painting because she promised she would be responsible about it and not just kill herself. If she would just regularly leave then the painting would exist forever.

yeah that's my point too man

Aline is also the reason why there are even people inside the canvas. Lumerians weren't originally painted by Verso which makes it so fucked up

tfw both your existence and your fucked up predicament is a result of the same action

Imagine being Clea and being stuck with these fucking retards.

Yeah all those lines from Lune and Sciel about being able to feel Gustave's chroma didn't mean anything.

That's not why Renoir let her do it. He basically did what Lune was talking about, accept that there's a point in every parent's life where you have to let your children make their own decisions (and their own mistakes). Verso confirms it when he says Maelle lied to her father about not leaving forever, and that Renoir could tell. He just couldn't bring himself to destroy his daughter's only happiness, also he just had the shit beaten out of him so he couldn't do much more.

Lune and Sciel were revived because they got gommaged and she grabbed their chroma. Gustave wasn't gommaged, he just got impaled. And not being killed by a nevron means his chroma wasn't maintained in his body like the other expeditioners.

Nigger they explain that Gustave can't be revived soon after Lune and Sciel get revived. Gustave would be one of those zombie expeditionist niggers

Lots of beings in the painting have no free will and are painted to act a certain way. Obviously she drew over Verso or copied him since his scar is gone in her ending. Unless you can think of a reason Verso would want to remove his scar himself

Clea is a psychotic bitch.

It's not baseless headcanon, the reason why Sciel and Lune remember their gommage is because Maelle took their chroma before it went to Renoir. Afterwards she basically creates new beings

It's a visual metaphor you fucking retard.

Gustave wasn't gommaged

His body isn't there if you return to where he died. His chroma was disperesed just like any gommage.

Afterwards she basically creates new beings

This is the headcanon part.

Very shocking, clearly symbolic, and artistic shot in a game full of symbolic imagery.

Nah it doesn't mean anything aside from surface-level and you're reaching if you think otherwise.

Ok bro.

There is no normal death in the canvas - anyone that dies without their chroma being locked in dies in an identical way to being gommaged. Gommage is the natural way for someone to die in the canvas.

Prove me wrong.

her strength is fading and she's dying in the outside world

What makes you think that? What would be the cause for that? Because the ending scene is not in a distant future so not much time passed outside.

but if she didn't go inside the canvas, there wouldn't even be people inside aside from Gestrals, Esquie and Franfran.
She literally created the people for her grief, from memories of real persons. She's playing the Sims.

all members of the family could just jump in to the Verso's painting to spend some time with him

Who are you talking about?

Child Verso

0 interaction in the game or suggesting Aline or Renoir even did, probably because it's just a piece of his soul and they don't consider it him

Painted verso

Brother please, the only one that 'cares' about painted verso (other than alicia) is Aline, and only because she's (/was) sick in the head.

To painters, the people they created aren't viewed as real. Like Clea, to her painted self or Simon. Renoir doesn't care about wiping everyone, though he did acknowledge that painted verso was caught in the middle.
Also notice how Verso never looks at Renoir in his eyes (even in the camp when he's still the curator). He knows he isn't going to be seen as his son or anything more than a sims.

I mean, that's not a 100% hard fact, that's just what I feel based on what I observed from the characters.

What makes you think that? What would be the cause for that?

Playing the fucking game where Renoir's entire motivation for everything is that Aline was killing herself by being in the painting too long because sitting inside it for extended periods starts killing the painter.

Yes, it's a symbolic nod to her real life self staring at the painting. Simple as that. You can think there's more but that's just your headcanon.

Why does Verso not have a scar

Pretty much. Consider that even Clea, who painted the canvas along with Verso, is very "heartless" in her approach to it.

You probably would be too if you had to fight a whole war by yourself while the rest of your family is off playing arts and crafts as a coping mechanism.

Clea clearly inherited all the rationality. Don't know how Maelle didn't change her mind in shame after being mogged verbally by Clea in the endless tower

He could have healed it anytime he wanted bro.

But look, I painted this warhammer figurine to look like my dead son! It's like he's really back with me! I even painted you, and look, you fell in love!

Smashes two figurines together to illustrate them smooching

Haha, young love! So pure! Ihiihhihiihi!

anon don't start screaming and read the whole reply,
what makes you think much time is passed? the ending doesn't happen much later

And he didn't do so for a reason.
So why does he not have a scar in the ending?

I actually thought it was a somewhat distant future. Everyone looks older including Maelle herself, like she's still young but her face looks a bit more full and pudgy like she might look as a 30 year old. Verso's beard is completely white and Lune's hair is slightly greying. I'm only guessing but I saw it as several years passing (maybe 10-15 years) and showing that Maelle has obviously spent too long in the canvas, reaching the point where it starts to destroy her.

me own fukin' son picking the bloody hell Maelle ending

I can't they literally say that at the beginning of the game. Lune is shocked that the expeditioners who were killed by nevrons have their chroma locked in their bodies and don't dissipate when they die. (Clea made them kill this way to prevent Aline's chroma from returning to her and to sap her power)

Not that Anon but thats how it works. While you're in the painting your real body weakens and fails. Aline's power weakened as she spend more time in the painting and Renoir was able to destroy more and more of it as a result and Aline didn't have the strength to reverse Renoir's gommages.

Probably for symbolic reasons? His family is gone and he's now being held hostage by another god-like being

This is speculation, but Alicia is clearly much more of an amateur painter than Aline or Renoir, it's totally possible that she'd be killed by staying inside much faster than they would. Also her body is burned and weak.

and why did he keep it all that time but decided to heal it in the scene where he is visibly uncomfortable and Maelle has creepy painter eyes?

It's what made me catch on the nature of the world real quick and many people miss it completely.

The gommage is bad because it kills a lot of people

But no one questions or considers it weird that they're disappearing into flowers/petals.

Gustave disappearing is a big hint too.

I don't give a FUCK if you suffer for all time.

I don't give a FUCK if your every breath is misery.

I don't give a FUCK if you hate me even worse than your own miserable immortal life.

Sit the FUCK down

And play the FUCKING piano.

The conversation about the scar was with Sciel, not Maelle, so Maelle didn't know he deliberatly kept it. He doesn't have the scar because Maelle is a dumb bitch who thinks she knows whats best for everyone.

his family was gone before real Renoir gets kicked out of the painting. If you don't bother doing Act 3 side content his family is still in the painting. If he was gonna remove it willingly it would have been soon after painted Renoir dies

I just want Lune to be happy:(.

I won't lie, I'll always be a Versofag but that look of betrayal on Lume's face at the end was a fucking gut punch.

I picked Maelles ending because surely she wouldn't just go full on escapist fantasy, right? Surely they would find a compromise that didn't mean destroying the last thing they have left of Verso, right? They'd never let something like this ruin their family and lives, right?!

I should have known better. Clea best girl.

Should have trusted Verso's gut feeling.

I don't think so considering up until the very final moment he believed he could succeed in forcing Verso's soul to stop painting, the scars would become meaningless only after his plan fails

But no one questions or considers it weird that they're disappearing into flowers/petals.

Not that anon, but I think the people did know though. If Lune can tell the husk of expeditioners were still having some chroma, it'd make sense for them to identify petals = chroma.

Also, as a fun fact, I'm pretty sure most people that finished the game didn't even understand that the petals had different colors for a specific reason.

It's more likely that they didn't notice or think anything of it.

The only thing is the boy that sits with Maelle didn't age.

Yes anon those bases of the discussion.
The discussion was about the how fast she weakens since the ending to me doesn't look like it takes place much later.

This is plausible

how is it meaningless, his scar is sentimental because of his father and he thinks it looks cool. He would never remove it, the same way Renoir never removed it

I realized as soon as the red and white tree turned pure red when real Renoir arrived.

Painted Verso has naturally grey hair, but he dyes it black.

And keep in mind, Lune has most likely a kissless virgin prior to fucking Verso. That hurts even more.

Verso is only perceived as having the "slightly good" ending because people are very eager to overlook the cost to make themselves happy. Millions of expeditioners sacrificed everything for decades, Lune and Sciel were the last of the whole civilization and miraculously managed to save their future, only for Verso to betray them again and kill them like he killed everyone who ever trusted and loved him. There is zero justice in it but it ends on such a higher note than Maelle's ending that it feels like even the developers wanted to conveniently forget how tragic it is.

Verso dyes his hair anon, the reason it's white is cause he isn't going to the Gestral barber to dye it. In Maelles social quest Verso mentions he wanted to play the piano in the theatre when it reopens. That is the scene in Maelles ending. Unless the theatre took years to reopen for some reason it isn't the distant future

It's just a painting, anon.
Do you feel sad if video game NPCs die?

you didn't feel sad when Gutave died?

I forgot the part about it being the reopening performance. Makes sense

his scar is sentimental because of his father and he thinks it looks cool

He said he kept his scar because it was a reminder of his conflict with his dad. But he was telling that at a point when we were clueless on a lot of things. And when you know more stuff, it raises some thoughts. If that was when they clashed, that means that it was after learning the truth (and before he got tortured by Laura&team or whatever her name was).

I think the scar Verso and Renoir both have is a physical remember that they are different from their real selves, that they are in no way them (which Verso is painfully aware and constantly reminds himself, and Maelle at the beginning of act 3).
If you think with that in mind, it makes sense for Verso to never heal his scar (also considering that Maelle probably didn't know, like an anon pointed above).

Do you feel sad if video game NPCs die?

Actually yes. The fact that I am legit pissed off that the characters I spent 60 hours with didn't get a proper ending, means that line of logic is bullshit.

kill them like he killed everyone who ever trusted and loved him

You're forgetting that he saved his mother.

I got over it and appreciate them for who they were.

It's fucked up on many levels because Lumerians weren't even supposed to exist in the first place. They were created as background characters for Aline's painted family

and the horror sound effect is just your opinion

The absolute silence before a sudden C note playing while pic related shows up at the exact same time is pretty clearly intended to be the classic horror jumpscare format.

At least your choice is 100% aligned with Maelle, the probably thinks the same.

The endings are really great if you can have people 100% siding with Verso or Maelle, I really appreciate that they made it happen (and naturally). Although the way it was done (in the core of the canvas I guess) denied anyone else to voice their thoughts, so the resolution could only be locked to them.

My Maelle looks so pretty and innocent in this picture... and she is finally smiling too :)

...don't you? Anyway as someone who likes Verso's ending, the "it's not real" angle is just Versofags turning a blind eye to how unforgivably cruel the betrayal it requires is.

I just think that the potential hundreds of worlds Alicia will paint in the future trump the immediate dead-end of Verso's canvas.

She literally looked like crackhead while begging Renoir to let her have "a bit more time" anon
Do you have autism or you just skipped cutscene?

very eager to overlook the cost to make themselves happy

There is no cost to verso's ending that doesn't also occur in Maelle's ending which you are very eager to overlook. As soon as Maelle dies, Renoir or Clea will immediately destroy the painting.

I side with Renoir.

the probably thinks the same.

Nah, my reasoning is more pragmatic. I just don't like the game wasting my fucking time getting me invested in characters and then not giving them any resolution, because the writers think they are Rian Johnson or some shit.

One is an assumption, the other is an immediate effect.
Seems different to me, NTA tho

Maellefags don’t click this files.catbox.moe/5zz0fz.png

As soon as Maelle dies, Renoir or Clea will immediately destroy the painting.

Why would they destroy the painting except out of sheer pettiness? At that point, people they wanted to save would be long gone.

That's just theorising on territory the game doesn't go near. Renoir accepts Alicia's choice in the end (he can even tell she is lying and that he will lose her forever), so the only reason he would destroy it afterwards is some twisted revenge that I don't think he really would go for since he also loves Verso's canvas. Clea might do it since she's a psychopath, I wouldn't put it past her.

But you can save Lumiere? What's wrong dude?

Don't forget the true Claire Obscura theme doesn't even play during Maelle's ending, only Verso's.

I didn't but I felt sad when Noco died.

If you got attached to the story and feel emotions because of it then it didn't waste your time. It just didn't pander to you juvenile ideas about what a story should be.

Is the endingsfag just an autistic schizo or a bona fide shill for an already successful game?

U VILL PLAY THE PIANO UND U VILL BE HAPPY

dropping redpills about this game:

Maelle should have been 23 yo

The first Renoir fight is filler

The prologue should have been from Maelle perspective

The Writers shit was shoehorned

Monoco is a boring character

The François part felt very cringe

The Gestral village is mid as fuck

Alina is still alive so leaving things intact means risking her life as long as the cavas exists.

Renoir would obviously go back into the canvas when Maelle is actually dying IRL.
He can lie to himself about her being able to have self control in act 3, but he won't be able to do that once the symptoms of her actually not having self control occur.

He will destroy it if Aline goes back in and there's no reason she wouldn't.

feel bad for the people coping so hard
Eternity...It hurts...It really hurts

sorry sir, next thread will be about nintendies

Amazing. Every word you just said is wrong.

The story and ending are genuinly good so they're provoking discussion.

This. Verso said Renoir chose to huff some copium that Alicia would leave, but when it becomes clear she's not coming back he's just going to go in and grommage everyone.

>Maelle should have been 23 yo

why

I imagine Renoir would go back in and trigger a second Fracture once he recovers, the only reason why he relented was because he was tired as fuck and high on copium

literally all strongly incorrect to an extreme extent

you have to try harder than this if you want to bait anyone into thinking you're serious
but yes, enjoy your (You)s nonethless

Wow those are a lot of... interesting takes...
Have you got more of them? It's pretty funny

Yeah the discussion is fine I just mean the guy obsessing and shitposting about Maelle's ending in every thread, and even starting this one with it.

>The first Renoir fight is filler

You mean the one "fight" in Act 1 or the first one in Act 2? Because yeah, that Act 2 fight is a bit too easy and lame. The second one makes up for it.

The Fracture happened because Aline was fighting against Renoir while he tried to forcefully eject her. If neither Alicia or Aline are in there then he would just burn/slash the canvas from outside

Doesn't really sound like his character or what the writing was going for by then.

Renoir is fully aware that he is saying goodbye to Alicia for good in the end, he just wants their last meeting to not be a sad one. That's why he says "I'll keep the lights on", just playing along with Maelle's lie to make her happy.

The wellbeing of beings that are more verisimilar creatures takes priority over their those of less, which by their nature are inherently more facile with no capability to ascend to that higher level of real.
The painting beings are real but they are less real than the painters and so Alicia moving on with the potential to develop a more healthy mindset matters more.

Renoir is fully aware that he is saying goodbye to Alicia for good in the end,

Got any proofs or is this headcanon?

Ergo, vis a vis.

Renoir's just gonna let his daughter kill herself dude!

Probably, yeah.

Alicia is there that's the point

Why didn't you play the game?

It's not wrong. It's just convenient. The potential of happiness, and all it costs is stomping on the little guy who only wanted the right to exist. Easy to get over if you can convince yourself that Lune, Sciel, and all those who sacrificed themselves didn't deserve to be happy as much as the family, right?

How delusional can you Maelle niggers be?

It's not my words, it's what Verso says. He could tell Maelle was lying and he noticed that Renoir knew as well.

It's fine that you have no arguments and can only screech platitudes back.

Being aware that she was lying and wanting to trust her anyway is not the same thing as just giving up and letting her kill herself, you retarded motherfucker.

A shadow that gains a sense of self is still a shadow in the face of a real person.
If both can exist without issue than they may, but Alica denied that possibility.

Gustave would unironically invent something that would revolutionize chroma even for the "real" world

Maelle's ending is best for two reasons

It fucks over that shitty family even more

Verso deserves it

Why are Maelletards like this?

Woman brains.

picked the maelle ending first because of verso's diary where he says everyone deserves to live

thought she could keep her word

forces reborn older verso to play while she drowns in her fantasy

welp

I don't actually give a fuck about Maelle, I just want my waifu Lune that hard-carried me through majority of battles to get a happy ending.

Not how it works. Sorry.
You can begin the cope though. Watch the schizo jump at reality.

I knew it was going to be bad, a double edged sword but I chose her ending not for her but for all the people lost due to this family spat.

Neither Verso or Maelle deserves happiness, they're both selfish pieces of shit who will destroy millions for themselves. But Renoir and Clea deserve to be happy, therefore Verso end is best.

Everyone that picked the Maelle ending is happy with it. Stop false flagging Verso nigger

whose kid is this? I headcanon it as Lune and Verso's until proven otherwise

Verso is just like me - intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor which is why I picked his ending

it's Sciels kid that she accidentally aborted because she's a retarded emotional woman

Renoir is a manipulative asshole and Clea is a downright psychopath, so no. Gustave and Sophie, and specifically Sciel and Lune, deserve it more. Far more.

How do you build Lune? She required so much AP and at least two turns of set up to do anything?

Neither Verso or Maelle deserves happiness, they're both selfish pieces of shit who will destroy millions for themselves. But Lune and Sciel deserve to be happy, therefore Maelle end is best.

FTFY

Renoir is a manipulative asshole

How so?

Subhuman Waifufag

Renoir did literally nothing wrong, anybody that thinks Renoir did something bad should be underage b&

It's implied everyone in that ending is also mind controlled by her too. They're all wearing the same dress as her and have that creepy thousand yard stare waiting for Verso to play. And of course her eyes are seeping ink meaning she's actively using her powers the entire time. She basically turned everyone into actual puppets with no soul anymore.

EVERYONE LIKES MY ENDING VERSO I'M NOT DROWNING I AM IN COMPLETE FUCKING CONTROL NOW PLAY THE PIANO RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!

why the black hair then? and they didn't even look at him

Renoir and Clean are literally the only two non manipulative characters in the entire game though. They never lie and state their intentions very clearly unlike Verso who breathes lies and Maelle who lies even to herself.

I don't know how far you are into the game, but later on there are some super strong pictos that give you all the AP and an extra turn to do your setup immediately

I picked Maelle even though the pre-ending scenes made it a bit too obvious she was crazy, I didn't really care what happens to her but I just can't stand Verso's fucking scumbag lying traitor ass. The people of Lumiere, Esquie, the gestrals and grandis are the only innocents in the story and they earned their happiness more than that fucked up family of painters did.

I thought it was painted child verso (1/10th soul version)? Since she said "if you could grow, would you smile" as it faded to black after defeating verso. The clothes he had reminded me
But it feels weird... I mean it's a great dark ending for me so...

idk I thought the scene was weird too. But Maelle did say she would revive Sciels kid and that's the only kid in the scene

I went ham with fire stacking skills and pictos. Immolate, Hellfire, that picto that doubles the amount of fire stacks and enemies kept blowing themselves up. Also, Typhoon and a picto that improves healing AND puts a shield on top of you. It helps if she's being supported by Verso constantly buffing her with Leadership.

this

moral: escapism is bad so stop playing video games

we will scream this at you and make your game experience as miserable as we can to make sure you internalize this lesson

okay, how about I don't play yours then

You sound like a misanthrope who would kill a child to save his sims save

Renoir did nothing wrong, he's the only one who really doesn't deserve what he gets in Maelle's ending. Fuck paint Verso he doesn't suffer enough

what a disgusting goblina

this
but only Clea because even Renoir is subjective to giving in too much to emotion
Renoir is fine as long as Clea keeps tabs on him though

Renoir's only fault is that he doesn't know how to fix the family and he clearly neglected Alicia after the fire or at least ignored the abuse she was receiving from both Clea and Aline which is why she feels like she has no life outside the canvas

The entire situation between him and Alicia is that he puts her on a pedestal she wants nothing to do with. He is the one that keeps pushing her to paint, and uses his belief on her as a sentimental bribery. He did the same to Verso until both of them were essentially sick of their lives.
Mind you Aline did it too probably, but other than being the one that pushed Alicia to whatever stupid shit she does with the writers we don't know much else.
Also like Clea points out he prefers to have painter battles and bicker than actually have a conversation with his wife. In the drafts your player character equates the insanity of his world to being no different than what Aline was doing of you talk to him.

Renoir is a manipulative asshole

you are mentally retarded

You can have fun play the video game

But if you refuse to stop to eat and sleep then you need to be unplugged.

Clea

Abuse

Maelleniggers say the dumbest things. At worst she's mean, but she's incredibly patient and accommodating for Alicia. Alicia is the fuck up who got her brother killed and then also got addicted in the painting when she promised she would help.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK I KILLED EVERYONE I'M SO FUCKING SORRY

Well the kid probably isn't looking at Sciel cause he has no memories of her because he spawned as a 5 year instead of a baby. That's what happens when a crazy schizo with God powers starts reviving people who should be dead

you did the right thing. cry your grown man's tears and move on with life with a feeling of closure.

who is the girl next to Lune?

Verso who breathes lies

what would you have expected differently

Knows the truth of the world, the ephemerality of it and its people

desperatly wants to kick his mom out, to save her, knowing it'd doom everyone

Has spend the last 60 years probably mostly alone, his only true allies are Esquie and Monoco. Monoco is also tired of the cycle

The only possible outcome of him telling the truth, is that the party would really understand what's at work and side with Renoir to beg him to keep the canvas alive, in exchange for getting Aline (and later, Alicia) out. (Even then, it wouldn't have worked, Renoir was too afraid of Aline returning inside)
And Verso was already afraid Gustave being alive would prevent Maelle to kill the paintress.

No wonder he lied, he didn't have any other choice but to lie with this context, as long as his goal was to kill the paintress (which was his number one concern I'd say).

Before you get the damage limit break, Lightning Dance is the most efficient high damage skill in the game. It is 8 hits that can all be 9999 damage for only 7 AP. After the damage is uncapped, you can get Cheater to make her use Elemental Trick and Elemental Genesis in basically one turn, doing potentially millions of damage to multiple enemies. She can't do as much damage as Maelle (nothing can) but she has much better multiple-target damage.

That's not what the game is saying at all, it actually tells you escapism is good in moderation and the art we consume can and should serve as a source of strength, motivation and inspiration. In Verso's ending you can see all of the cast waving goodbye to Maelle who will use these memories and experiences to move on from the family tragedy and create her own worlds. Even outside the game the devs are constantly talking about other games that inspired them

Maelle can bring them back, except Verso, when she gets gud at painting

I though he was a young version of Verso she painted before the old one kicks the bucket.

YOU'RE MANIPULATING ME

Maellefags truly are womanbrained

We are not saying his psychopathic ass didn't need to lie, we are saying he deserves ultrahell for making his goal something that involved genocide of everyone that trusts him, regardless of his mommy issues.

Why are you even arguing the merits of this story if you are going to make that argument?

it's just one of gustaves apprentices

painted Alicia I think, she doesn't have the scars but the outfit look like kinda hers

You you’re game is depressing when even the Nier games have happier endings

Can someone explain to me what actually destroys a painting? From what I gather forcing Aline out doesn't do anything to it and Renoir could've stopped there, but it's because she wants to keep going back that he goes to the nuclear option. And that the only real way to destroy the painting was to remove the painter's soul too, which is only done because child Verso is also tired of painting. If you kicked Aline/Maelle out and they stayed out, and child Verso kept painting, everyone would still live right?

You can't kill something that was never alive to begin with.

Like you?

Maelle has 3 different versons of her in the ending artwork

Somehow her ending isn't canon

Do versotards really?

Yep, the problems stem from Aline and Alicia not being able to enjoy it in moderation.

just remember to deal with grief like an adult anon, unlike the Maellefags

Finally get to this ending after being spoiled

all this bullshit about him being "forced" to play the piano is just some retard anon's interpretation

He was force to live. He has a moment of hesitation knowing Maelle is dying irl, knowing Alicia is dying, and somehow some retard has beeing screeching here for a week that it's Maelle mind controlling him ( a power the literal Paintress could never harness against her creations, or she'd have stopped the expeditions).

I got numbed by Cyberpunk along the way.
But IMO even Cyberpunk had happier endings. At least you had an option to party like it's 2023 with Johnny.

Verso happily playing the piano

Maelle won

Can someone explain to me what actually destroys a painting?

Stopping the original soul fragment from painting.

From what I gather forcing Aline out doesn't do anything to it and Renoir could've stopped there

He couldn't stop there because Alicia then put herself in the exact same situation and he had to force her out next.

If you kicked Aline/Maelle out and they stayed out, and child Verso kept painting, everyone would still live right?

Yep, which could have happened if Maelle wasn't a bitch.

there's one version of Maelle and 2 versions of Alicia tho

i know. i believe i did the right thing. i just feel so bad for the people in the painting, esquie and monoco. i know the latter two would understand, but erasing the painting destroys gustave's legacy, and he's my second favorite. i'm a sentimental person i feel terrible for both versos too, of course. i think the painted verso reflects what the original verso would've wanted

Nigger they explain that Gustave can't be revived soon after Lune and Sciel get revived

They explain the opposite you nitwit. Maelle says she can revive EVERYONE, just that she doesn't have their Chroma at hand, but found Sciel and Lune's before leaving on esquie.

Don't. Trying to argue anything about the endingsfag will send him on a rampage. He monitors the threads like a breeding ground for his mental illness.
We all understand this. He just really doesn't want you to.

The entire situation between him and Alicia is that he puts her on a pedestal she wants nothing to do with. He is the one that keeps pushing her to paint, and uses his belief on her as a sentimental bribery. He did the same to Verso until both of them were essentially sick of their lives.

Can you provide any evidence from the game? A father wishing the best for his daughter doesn't sound and showing it through the medium he knows best is far from sentimental bribery. Also we know that he was on good terms with Verso from painted Verso and that the family seemed to support their children's other hobbies (e.g. the piano, harp, books and typewriter in the manor)

Yep, which could have happened if Maelle wasn't a bitch.

That's why we need a Gustave route in a DLC.

Monoco is a chad

had the exact same feelings and cried the exact same grown man's tears. now we're dealing with idiots who defend Maelle's ending.
I strongly encourage you not to watch it, and I regret watching it. It's awful.

This game had some incredible shots. Gonna take so many screencaps during NG+

Shouldn't have let my brother died

Shouldn't have let all of Lumiere died

Shouldn't have lied to me

Verso deserved it. He'll "die" eventually anyway.

does this mean that all of those hollow people that you talk to are fragments of the families soul?

NOOOOOO MAELLE YOU CANT LIVE FOREVER IN THE PAINTING AND BE HAPPY F-AAAACKK

yes
talking to all of them on your NG+ playthrough and understanding everything they say is the sweetest feeling of "aaaaaaaaaaaaaah I see now"

he feels guilty about thinking a teenager is attractive

absolute kino

As soon as Maelle dies, Renoir or Clea will immediately destroy the painting.

Why would they do that?
By the time Maelle dies, either Aline has come back and will maintain the canvas starting this shit all over again, or she's gotten over he crack addiction. What reason does Renoir have to destroy the canvas now that no family member is addicted to it? Hate that it got Alicia killed?

he wasn't in control of anything though (the fracture, the gommage) , that's the truth
at the end of the day, he's still one guy, but he knows the truth
Him lying or telling the truth wouldn't have changed anything to the inevitable outcomes

The soul stop painting

renoir (clea is also a real possibility) destroying the canvas after Alicia's death from prolonged exposure

If you think one guy, telling the truth, is responsible for the whole existence of your world and the people, well it's doomed for sure. You're taking it out on the wrong guy.
You should be more angry against the painters themselves, that don't think their creations are 'real' or 'equal'. It's only because they think that way that the lower painted world is in danger.

maelle's ending seems like it'd upset me from what i'm reading here. i wouldn't watch it anyway, at least not for a while, i think only knowing one ending for a game such as this makes it a lot more emotional

Is it worth doing all the endgame content right away or should I jump right into new game +?

thats the thing she cant live forever and will die sooner by staying too long

Use Trebuchim

Take a few shots and see what stains you get

Use Mayhem or Genesis

The Rest of the skills I used for her were mostly low to mid cost spells that could generate light stains for an easy path to cast genesis later.

I think the sadness in the endings comes from neither of them doing what real Verso wanted. The real Verso loved his creations and wanted his canvas to be a place where his family can enjoy themselves, painting exciting adventures and fresh beginnings. Maelle instead gets addicted to that exact thing and abuses it to the point it will kill her. Paint Verso wants the right thing in removing the painters from the world, but he thinks in false dichotomies and believes the only solution is to destroy everything, including real Verso's beloved creations.

I think the moral of the story is "finish your fanfics, you faggots".

NG+ is a fucking treat, not only are the enemies tuned to end-game builds (although you can still obliterate them if you want to go for the truly OP builds) but all of the cryptic stuff characters are saying in Act I and II are great foreshadowing in hindsight and expand your understanding of the story
Genuinely brilliant storytelling as far as linear games go

Weird take when you know the developers intended for neither to be the canon or right choice, but of it works for you.

I think the painted guys are real too, I just justify the destruction of the painting because the painting would have been destroyed by Renoir either after he manages to kick Alicia out or after Alicia dies. At least with Verso choosing to destroy the painting the Desandre family gets over their grief. In the Maelle ending everyone both inside and out get fucked

I didn't feel sad until his funeral. What punched me in the gut was seeing gustave on the sirene fight, and verso saying goodbye to the expedition. I shed some tears during pic related.

I thought it was a real interpretation. I cannot believe how illiterate the man is

bro the piano is sad and black and white like in the twilight zone this is the bad ending he's being mind controlled

What a damn retard.

The way I look at it is that Gustav would want what's best for Maelle and that includes kicking her out into the real world to get over her grief instead of losing herself in lalaland. If he manages this it might convince Renoir to not destroy the painting and kill everyone too.

It could of been better but Maelle has no restraint.
Also the real Verso's remaining soul fragment is tired of painting.

THE GUY THAT GOT TRAPPED IN A PAINTING AND ALMOST DIED KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BEING STUCK IN A PAINTING AND ALMOST DYING

No reason buying Gustave and co. more time doesn't end in them either inventing a way forward much like Gustave already made the Lumina converter, or them just teaching Maelle self restrain after she's had the time to grieve/chill the fuck down everyone else but her has gotten, though

I cried a bit when I saw gustav and sophie in maelles ending but when I reloaded the save to see verso's I was pretty much openly crying. Knowing that it really was the only way to break the cycle of grief

well, he doesn't believe that it's the only solution. it just is the only solution sadly. the family can't grieve properly and so they huff paint until it kills them. and it seems like his soul was getting tired of painting anyway

"Why would you stop keeping alcohol in the house now that the alcoholic has recovered."

Thats how stupid you sound.

Only tangentially related but the songs get better with the lyrics
youtube.com/watch?v=AeXdtz05Gqc

It's most likely baiting on purpose to get people who are waifufagging Maelle angry or just for desperate want to artificially keep his threads alive.
It's what I'd like to think, I refuse to think people are this willingly stupid.

And Verso was already afraid Gustave being alive would prevent Maelle to kill the paintress.

Of all of Verso's bullshit, this one is the most bullshit. You can tell he seethes about Gustave being Maelle's brother, he has a camp discussion where he genuinely goes GRRRR when Maelle says she's thinking about Gustave.
Man let him die so he could usurp his position as Alicia's brother. The painted golem hates the painted family and subconsciously wants to be part of the real family. Why the hell would Gustave have stopped Maelle from killing the paintress? At no point does he tell Maelle the truth or intend to, and Gustave's entire existance is predicated on killing the paintress. He would have been Verso's staunches ally.
Verso btw had no idea about destroying the canvas or that bullshit early game, so don't give me no "he knew Gustave would not approve" he wasn't even thinking that long term until he saw soul verso/Alicia lie to Renoir.

I think it's worth it to at least do the Reacher, the Flying Manor and Renoir's Drafts even if you steamroll through the encounters + there's still a lot of cosmetics to collect
If your build isn't totally busted you can do the Endless Tower in between all those locations for some genuinely cool fights

2077 is different. V knows the stakes of Night City but chooses to remain and engage in the merc life. They pay the price for their actions but even then some of the endings have something to them. Expedition 33 is just bads for the people of Lumiere regardless.

The only way of breaking the cycle of grief is to force Alicia into another grief inducing trauma, this time a whole world's worth of it

Let's just call it what it is. Both of them were forcing their way of looking at things, and fuck the other over for it.

Real Verso basically says "Use my canvas to make nice things and be kind to the paintings please"
Then his family does this shit:

Aline paints a fucking copy of Verso and makes him live in eternal torment

Renoir turns the canvas into a battlefield against Aline which causes the fracture

Clea paints only nightmare horror abominations to hurt her mother and destroy Verso's creations

Alicia paints herself into a permanent place in the canvas so she dies irl

what a bunch of freaks

Anything they create will still be inside the painting though, unless they figure out a way to escape into the real world they are fucked. And I think Maelle is too far gone in her ending to ever want to go back to the real world willingly

Let's just call it what it is. Both of them were forcing their way of looking at things, and fuck the other over for it.

This is an actual line from Verso when you fight him

We're both hypocrites, forcing the other to do as they want

by staying in the painting, Maelle has no chance of ever recovering, and if you're an optimist you believe she'll eventually get tired of forcing zombiefied Verso to play the FUCKING PAINO for the 10000th time and come out on her own
by destroying the painting right away, she can immediately start recovery
therefore, the Verso ending is objectively more hopeful

Maelle's ending would've been 100 times better without this on the nose le horror shot. And by better I mean the quality, not the outcome. Verso's cries of him not wanting this life plus his hesitation at the Piano is enough to drive the point home, it didn't need this stupid shot.

can I keep doing side content after finishing the story and start NG+ later?

GRIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIITH!

Why did painted Renoir attack the Gestral village anyway?

Man let him die so he could usurp his position as Alicia's brother

Eh, he says himself he's not her brother and know she's real. I don't really think he thought of himself as his brother, not at the beginning at least. But yeah he was kinda seething and that's still a valid possibility.

Verso btw had no idea about destroying the canvas or that bullshit early game, so don't give me no "he knew Gustave would not approve" he wasn't even thinking that long term until he saw soul verso/Alicia lie to Renoir.

Killing the paintress = Renoir gommaging everyone => Renoir destroying the canvas
He knew a 100%. Even Painted Alicia knew (her letter says it). The fact that he knows he's fake, that everything started from the Aline's grief over Verso's death, and that she's going to die if she isn't kicked out means that he absolutely knows.

I can't imagine she is. She looked perfectly normal outside of Verso's fear moment, I think they would most likely eventually figure out a way to go to another canvas or stabilize her enough to leave, or just find a new way to fish for chroma.
They know the situation now so that opens a complete new angle of science for them.

ya, in fact that's what the games seems to want you to do

the point of that shot is to drive home the comparison of her to Aline at her worst, and to let everyone know loudly and clearly that this is the "bad" end
unfortunately, it seems a lot of people somehow missed the point despite it being so plainly spelled out

Well that's literally what happens to painters. We se countless examples of her mother, father, siblings and even herself with hollowed out faces due to excessive painting.

Shoo endingsfag. Don't smear your shit my way.

Yes, the finale is actually way easier than many optional things. After you're done you can just reload the last save and continue exploring and you can go to NG+ whenever you want to

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE

Don't bother. Maellefags do nothing but lie, gaslight, and blame everyone but themselves for their own shortcomings.

noooooooo you can't talk about the endings in the endings thread!!!!

Maellefags, everyone

Shoo. Go to your Discord and stay there.

but i really like this ending....

Yeah every ending let's you continue and you start NG+ from the expedition flag checkpoint, it will feel weird to continue after 1 ending though.
Doing all the side content before the boss will make the end boss super easy too. So it's really a pick your poison

Probably to kill expeditioners that were there
The real question is - how was he not afraid of Golgra?

what a bunch of freaks

best way to describe it really

The "horror" shot is more important than le verso sad part anon. It's about the inevitability of her dying in the Canvas.
Though I simply do not sympathize with her family's kvetching over the topic, she's going to last for decades from her perspective. Dunno why she doesn't just pop out to have dinner with them from time to time in exchange for her dad agreeing to not blow the thing up, game seems to ignore this very obvious solution.

Renoir is the hero of the story.

girl named Alicia

goes into a land full of wonders

Oh, I see...

Verso's fear moment

You're talking about her painter face? What level of cope is this

It needed this shot because without it you'd have retards insist (even moreso) that the Maelle ending was the good end.

game seems to ignore this very obvious solution.

They don't.
They know there's no way she'll come back because she's fixed there and she's addicted to it.

So he let Gustave die on the hunch that someone else might reveal the truth (never happened) and then it'd be harder to convince Maelle.
How is that not psycopath behavior?

he just waited for her to go jogging or some shit, probably
Now I have an image of Renoir hidden in a bush, waiting for her to go away

Send your daughter to war so you can have Kaiju battles for decades with your mentally ill wife

I think not

They are awful people and its why Maelle's ending is best.

Maybe he was looking for a runaway Verso.

I think I would have found it more kino as well if they remained subtle about it. Maelle's slightly concerned face expressions while looking around give it all away that she is living in constant stress and always has the thought in the back of her mind that she is destroying herself. Verso barely holding back his sobs, nodding to Maelle acknowledging her promise to give him a concert, before letting a single tear fall. It's brilliant, two people trapping themselves in happiness exchanging a powerful moment that only the two of them understand. And then BAM all subtext removed.

That's what Verso was going for durning act 3 up until the end when Maelle proved that she didn't have the willpower to do that.

I understand his point of view, but why did he paint the giant void horses made of a thousand human bodies?

immortal powerful being, created by basically goddess of that world

some stubborn oversized wooden doll

You know how that would have ended if Renoir really wanted to fuck their shit up?

truth
the only one who had purely good and the most un-selfish intentions. even Clea committed in-painting horrible atrocities, trying to achieve a good end, but still.
Renoir didn't send anyone. Clea send Alicia in because Renoir needed more help. He didn't ask for it.

For the same reason that people get addicted to emotional outlets to an extreme degree and can't self moderate.

Her actual home life is one of pain. She can't even talk.

It's cool.

And then BAM all subtext removed.

Because people need to understand the ending is bleak and alicia a cunt.

Anon any drug addicted can be convinced to take a 5 minute break from drugs to have some dinner. IF there was any trust between Alicia/Renoir they wouldn't be in this standstill where she would refuse to pop out of it cause he'd destroy it.

Say thing once

Clearly this 16 year old is doomed to never learn or change her statement, let us proceed to kill everyone now

Isn't it obvious? Time flies much faster in the painted world so if she pops out for one week possibly centuries could've flown by. Gustav, Sciele, and Lune would be dead by then. And Maelle doesn't want that. She wants her dolls to play with her now and forever.

if renoir was trapped under the monolith for all this time, how did he get out? was it clea who sent mind controlled simon to break him out so he could wander around as the curator?

how did aline appear in the manor in old lumiere iff she's trapped at the top of the monolith?

any drug addicted can be convinced to take a 5 minute break from drugs to have some dinner

Yeah, give an addict the choice between

have dinner

take more drugs

and I'm sure they'll choose the former, for real.

Well, IRL, she's a half-blind, mute cripple whose face looks like two avocados hatefucked. Of course she would be rather living in a La-La Land.

She could just freeze the time in the painting before she left, or unpaint everything and paint it all back when she's back.

Ignore what the game presents because he doesn't like it instead of actually engaging with he material presented.

Renoir is literally having Clea fight the Writers alone even though she has stated she needs his help. He refused and that is why Clea made Nevrons to speed things along.

Solution:

Erase Verso's soul from the painting

Let the rest of the painting be

Stash it away some where

The mom and Alicia won't come back because Verso isn't there anymore

Everyone lives?

They're some weird metaphor. During The Reacher Maelle says everything Renoir paints has layers and layer of metaphor.

And that's why they want to destroy it.
Alicia inherited Aline's addictions.

Uh huh

Literally all she had to do was wear a blindfold. Her face isn't even scarred that badly otherwise and we know for a fact that there would be an army of simps lining up for her hand in marriage regardless.

Aline and Renoir are pretty much 95% trapped, but can have some influence still with avatars. Also it was Aline that sent Simon to kill Renoir.

Thanks for your concession

thanks anons. I've already cleared most of the map, and finished the story, but missed the manor

his soul fragment was a battery powering the entire thing

You ACTUALLY think Alicia is doing it for verso and not because she's all fine and happy there with a different family?
Alicia is selfish, all she does, she does it for herself.

Why won't she just paint her own wonderland

Yea the ending already felt off enough before that shot with muh dissonant piano chord

Erase Verso's soul from the painting

You already failed at the first fucking hurdle.

I don’t see how people missed this. In Act 3 - Her quest-line, you practically see the transformation when Alicia chooses to gommage her painted twin, without consoling Verso. She’s literally staring down from her nose at him. The character Maelle is fully dead, consumed by the train wreck that is Alicia, and she knows she can’t turn back from that and Verso realises it.

And in the camp when they reconcile, and they talk about if Verso could have saved Gustave. She didn’t lash out at him, but accepted the truth as if it made them equal.

Erase Verso's soul from the pa-

Oops painting gone

Whatever feeds your ego into a silent coma.

Renoir would rather save his wife instead of going on a revenge adventure with his daughter. Truly an evil man

The canvas became the eternal cycle of their family's grief. That's how it's described in game which is 100% correct.
Nobody is right and nobody is wrong either. It's just all about not being able to let go really.
Aline can't let go her dead son.
Renoir can't let go his wife stuck in the painting.
Clea can't let go her family because even if she's a total bitch, they are her relatives.
Alicia can't let go her painted life because in the real world, she merely exists in a shell of a body.
Simply destroying the canvas won't solve all that.

Renoir refused because he has to save his wife first, who was in the more immediate danger. And now Alicia is making things more complicated by also overdosing herself in the painting.

You are actually a fucking psychopath.

the simon journal says "Paintress" that looks like clea but wasn't her.

Painted Verso literally tells her to do that. The problem is the fact that she's living in Verso's world, not her own.

escapism BAD

I got spoiled and don't want to play your game anymore.

Gustave piercing the secret of the world could have been possible. The man invented the lumina converter, picked up on some clues like the chroma staying in the bodies (killed by nevrons). I don't think it's crazy to think Gustave would have understood and tried to talk his team out of it. So, with that and verso's goal in mind, it's a reasonable choice for Verso not to save Gustave. It's neither crazy nor psychopathic for me.

That's the real Clea, yes. She comes in, paints over painted clea and Simon and fucks off.

Fuck I mean eyepatch, not blindfold.

isn't it pretty explicitly shown that his soul persisting in the painting is what keeps it alive

LIVE FOREVER

retard-kun....

The solution is perfetly simple, Maelle ending but Maelle promises to leave the painting and not return, and maybe even help her father with her mother's grief. Alicia was just too destroyed physically and psychologically to do it.

people are gonna spend years arguing about which ending was better

Yeah, I'm thinking kino.

This image is going to be a classic in time

That moment was really fucked. Made me lose all sympathy for Maelle and is partly why I picked Verso in the ending. You can also see it starts way before this when Verso is talking to her on the bench and she starts kvetching

NOOOOOOO STOP CALLING ME ALICIA I HATE THAT NAME IM MAELLE CALL ME MAELLE

what if this guy figured out the esoteric origin of the world, he's pretty good at science. better let him die

Okay Verso

Everyone knows, except people who want to fuck Maelle.

The horror shots were kino and you are gay and retarded.

It will be funny, if they add the 3rd "true ending" with DLC. The argument will be ruined forever.

Why can't they just paint Alicia a new face and throat?

The painting has to be destroyed to keep Aline out of it as well. Again, its like keeping alcohol in a house with a recovering alcoholic, it's just asking for disaster.

endgame was disappointingly easy because of how broken the balance is

move on to Ng+ hoping it actually accounts for the utterly broken shit

it's even easier than act 3 Lumiere

guess I'm over the game for now

it's fucking absurd though

Maelle: 80 mil damage every turn

Verso: 1-2 mil damage every turn

Monoco: 500-900k damage every turn

Sciel: 400k damage a turn on average because of lots of setup but at least her level 3 gradient can hit for 10 mil (after 900 turns of setup while Maelle can just raw fire a Gommage for a billion damage)

Lune: 300k damage every turn

They're both fucked up. Verso killed many expeditioners including the one he loved. At the end he allowed Gustave to die even though it destroyed Maelle. He is a selfish faggot like the rest of that shit family. Pick Maelle, they all lose out and he plays the piano. Forever. Good ending.

Maybe you could take out what makes you do so much damage.
MAYBE

t. spiteful subhuman who is mad his mom told him to get off the compute once in a while.

Some retards in these threads still think the Maelle ending is the good ending so apparently they didn't go far enough with the horror shots. Maelle probably needed to say "I am the Paintress" in an evil sounding voice to get the point across

sure but when I have to intentionally gimp myself to have an interesting experience that also makes me lose interest, because now the entire picto system is a landmine field I have to tip toe around to not take the fun out of the game.

Well said anon, I felt the exact same way. I appreciated the bravado Maelle showed as a cheeky adventurous youth on a hero’s journey. Part of the charm of Act 1.

Alicia murders that character, and it’s literally a ghoul wearing a mask. If Gustave survived, and was at the final act. I think he would have broke Alicia, and my heat wouldn’t have been able to take that ending. I’m sort of glad in a bittersweet way, best boy wasn’t around to see his daughter killed. (Figuratively killed, in the sense of the Alicia persona, overriding Maelle.)

crazy that some "people" really missed this lmao

Maelle/Alicia is literally the kid that could not stop playing Mafia 3 even though he was shitting his pants.

What we really need is Gustave the chad to come up with more technology that can keep painters out. The Lumina Converter made it possible for Lumiere to overpower and beat the paintress, the problem was they didn't know about Renoir killing them all secretly.

Endingsfag will go talking about Maelle with his dying breath. Mental gymnastics and all.

He killed them because they thought he was a traitor and tried to kill him. He probably thought Gustave would sperg out like a retard and try to kill him too. Did nothing wrong by letting him die

They introduced a whole world with real people and then tell you none of that matter’s only Mael- no, spoiled Alicia’s problems matters. Not sure what the writers were thinking. Why try so hard in the first have to make the lumenarians matter to us just to throw it all away and tells us to suck it up, at least Alicia is ok. Kinda frustrating! I like the endings BUT its one hell of a bait and switch that leaves me wanting. I get thats the point, but even so.

finds out her entire world is just some fake bullshit a kid scribbled

finds out her entire species are just background npcs in said kid's mom's fantasy

wait so if we're all sorta fictional you can just write a happy ending? you can bring my husband back?

yeah sure

great, let's fucking go

The only based character. Miss her with that existential bullshit, give her Pierre's dick back

criticism about the game balance being bad

just don't use thing

doesn't change the fact that the game balance is bad

maelle is happy

every luminarian is happy

her mother or clea doesn't give a shit about her anyway

only verso is actually suffering

It's a happy ending for her and that's all that matters. We the viewers can obviously see it's an incredibly fucked situation, but she's still happy. A real black and light ending if you will.

Here's an idea.
Leave the canvas alone and sell it to someone. Preferably someone on the other side of the continent.

The Lumina Converter made it possible for Lumiere to overpower and beat the paintress

Having Real Renoir on their side helped them beat the Paintress

Actually it was Alicia that made it possible to kill the paintress/Renoir, she needed to do her

Places palm on body

To finish them off, otherwise they would heal forever.

case in point

Why try so hard in the first have to make the lumenarians matter to us just to throw it all away and tells us to suck it up, at least Alicia is ok

Anon what the FUCK are you talking about. Alicia's entire ending hinges on the player caring about the Lumierans and thinking Verso's bullshit does not warrant their extinction.

The two writers are the director and a random Asian chick from reddit.

He states outright he let him die because he would have given Maelle hope to side with the paintress and find a different solution than fighting her. There is no ambiguity, he states it.

Seeing Gustav try to come to terms with his Maelle being dead and some insane facsimile of her trying to insist she's still real would've been interesting though.

I think Verso's ending is better anyway, but I'm not so blinded by objectives that I can't see the nuances in both endings.

He's been helping other expeditions as well. Those just happened to not achieve the end goal.

Why did Maelle the CUNT gommage Alicia immediately before Verso got a chance to say anything to her?
That was a bitch move.

do painters even have to shit i wonder

my tears were already starting to dry, and then they show my crew right there, fuck.

woah what are the odds..

The differences are two, Maelle is there, and Gustave made the Lumina Converter which boosts the groups combat potential immensely and let them beat the axions.

Yeah I'm mostly just shitposting and being an edgy faggot about the Gutave death, for the other expeditioners what I said is true though, to my knowledge anyway

Leave the canvas alone and sell it to someone.

We have no idea how society works outside of the painting. I highly doubt the Dessedre's would sell their canvases if they're even allowed to, let alone the one with their dead sons soul in it.

The nuances don't really matter since even the game and writers don't care. And either way Alicia's ending just results in everyone dying, maybe with an extra century at most.

It's what Alicia wanted, so technically she's the cunt but with Maelle also being Alicia I guess they're both cunts anyway.

Alicia murders that character, and it’s literally a ghoul wearing a mask

You mean Verso right? Verso ends "maelle" and all of Lumiere.
But no, there is no Alicia/Maelle after Maelle dies. It's Alicia (16 years)+ Maelle (16 years). It's both.

But didn't they all die in the gommage because the paintress was gone and couldn't stop Renoir from wiping out her creations anymore?

seeing the esquie doll

Both endings result in everyone dying anyway lmao, so that doesn't really change either or.

Alicia wanted to be gommaged, doesn't mean she would have minded an opportunity to say goodbye

It looks like they just get frozen in time.

Some, yes, others not so much. He decided to kill many of them just because Painted Renoir went schizo. Could have TRIED to explain it to Julie. Decided not to out of fear they would not understand.
It's not like he can die, so what was there to lose?

only verso is actually suffering

Deserved for the untold amount of death and betrayal he reaped, helping maintain generations of Lumiere expeditions suicide charging their patron god, killing expedition 0 members for suspecting him of bullshit (that he was up to), letting Gustave die and genociding his entire universe not once but twice if you let him.

oh no verso is saaad

Yes, bad people go to hell. That's a reality billions of us believe in.

Anon thinking the Maelle ending is good for her is like seeing a nigger overdosing on heroin, minutes away from death and saying "oh look he's smiling :)"

the lumina converter was for the picto lumina system. every other expediton before this was rocking 3 pictos and nothing else.

maybe it's how they explain the XP/level up system too idk.

Maybe... she also wanted to get back at Verso... Since their next talk is about Maelle asking the truth about Gustave's death, if it could have been prevented. Maybe him being saved is something she did consider for a long time...
Well, I say that, but it's probably not that.

So, like how is the curator trapped in Renoir's Drafts the whole game but also chills at your camp

She's literally the one who froze everyone but Maelle in place and asked her to die.

From her point of view she was doing Alicia a favor considering she knows exactly how painful her existence is, but it also shows she had fully embraced her painter side and is perfectly comfortable deciding whether someone inside the canvas has the right to exist or not

make a game about learning to let go and moving on

choose the ending where the main character doesnt let go and move on

Poor Verso, he just wanted it to end and instead his "god" sister turns into a psychopath and keeps it all going forever and ever (because let's be honest, as if she's really going to let Verso actually die from old age).
That look that Lune gives him in his ending though, that really hurt.

She didn't keep it frozen until she gommaged now did she

Maelle is a bitch.
A huge one.

Painted Alicia wanted to give Painted Verso the ultimate fuck you.
You know, for killing her parents and deciding to destroy her and her world?
Real Alicia respected her wishes, which she noted is something Verso never did.
Verso is a massive Cint that even tried to hide Alicia s letter so no idea why would you feel bad about it.

I WILL MISS YOU GUYS

Level 1

3 Picto

No lumina

Simon time

HOLY EXPEDITION 60. If they reached him, that means they must have been great at perfect parrying shit. Fuck, they got wiped in the transition to P3 for sure... What a cheat move, they deserved better!

I've seen a couple people say that Verso's ending is ONLY good and Maelle's ending is ONLY bad, and one person say the opposite. I feel bad for them being unable to see how good and tragic both endings are. Motherfuckers can't understand Esquie's most basic lesson

Painted Renoir just shows up in Lumiere one day

tells them to stop attacking the paintress and go for real renoir instead

has proof of esoteric knowledge via his immportality, incredible power and being old

Why didn't he just do that? Hell why didn't Aline tell him to do that (I assume she didn't go insane the moment the fracture happened, and she was able to hang out with painted renoir and alicia in their manor).

overdose yourself and fool your mind into spending the next several decades with your friends and loved ones

or live out in reality where you're a half functioning cripple that is shunned by half of your family

They're both insanely bitter endings and leave Maelle with a shit hand, where one at least has her enjoying the hand she's played, while the other at least has SOME potential of turning out to be better however long that might take.

Expedition 60 is a meme about speed runners who just go through souls games naked for fast roll cause they know they're not getting hit

No, the memories of Alicia aren’t awakened until her hair turns white. That is purely Maelle. The character is untainted by the trauma of Alicia.

Once she attunes to her paintress side, Maelle is assimilated into it. You could argue it’s a bit of a ship of theasus. Except, Maelle only ever knew Lumiere and not the plot line twist, so everything the character achieves is by her own merit. Alicia is merely trying to ride on that klout she so dearly wishes she could have been.

And that is reflected where she’s a literal god, having Verso play the piano for her, but not out of a sincere sense of willingness, she fell in love with her own power and the despair she tries to mask in the horror shot.

Her family doesn't ACTUALLY hate her, she's just being a teenager who fucked up really hard.
If they truly shunned her they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

mutt hours

retarded takes on story everywhere on catalog

really makes ya think

why schizo? I thought they just got tired of getting attacked after telling expeditions the truth about the paintress, the painted world and how they are immortal

t. mutt posting during mutt hours

she’s a literal god, having Verso play the piano for her, but not out of a sincere sense of willingness, she fell in love with her own power and the despair she tries to mask in the horror shot.

Oh god don't reply to me "horror shot maelle tyrant" schizo. I do not have any interest in your headcanon.

Only Maelle's ending is bitter. Verso's in shrouded in light, has beautiful music playing, and everyone is smiling. If you want to be a headcanon retard like Maellefags you can even pretend Renoir didn't immediately burn the painting after Verso kicked Alicia out.

Maelle's ending meanwhile is literally an indie horror movie.

Exactly.

Clea will whip her into shape as will her Dad. She's 16. Eventually she will grow up and gain some wisdom. Meet some romeo to her juliet who is among the Writers or whatever.

You're waiting for a train. A train that will take you far away

He assumed Clea was making infiltration teams after she snatched Painted Clea away and the whole Simon business.

tireso

heh, very subtle

Ehmmm, have you actually listened to her mom's journals and how Clea treats her all the time?

The shot of Maelle’s face melting was too heavy handed. All we needed was the shot of Verso looking sad.

Imagine the amount of seethe you'd have knowing your entire existence is fake and you're just a toy molded to be in the image of another man and the family you thought you had is completely fake then you're forced to continue living and pretending you're someone you're not

Stop trying to predict the future. What you say is reasonable but you keep posting this as if its a foregone conclusion. The ending we get is the ending we get. Anything could happen after. You sound like the woman in Misery, screaming at the movie screen saying she saw the car go over the cliff, no one survived, when next week they subverted her expectations.
I’m not even sure you played the game, you seem strangely invested in saying this in every thread over and over just to try and piss people off just to troll, I imagine.

So anon, are you more WHOOO or WHEEE?

her father likes her a lot, her Mom only hates her because she is still not over her own grief and her sister doesn't hate her, she just has autism. This idea that her entire family hates her is retarded and untrue

If they truly shunned her they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

What are they doing, exactly? Only Renoir shows any love for her.
Her mom fucked off to live with a fake version of her that she deliberately painted crippled, she hates her.
Her sister has like, theoretical sibling love for her. She basically tells her she can die in the canvas if that's what she wants.
The only person that loves every member of their family is Renoir, and we don't get much about his opinion on Clea.

Kay doc, tell me what you think of it then?

She already knew Verso let Gustave died and wanted revenge. And she wanted to eliminate the idea of Alicia.

I sit firmly in one camp.

But enough about christianfags.

Cursed with the burden of self awareness. Aline and Maelle are truly evil people.

whooo but i do have some wheee moments

You mean how Alicia says Clea treats her all the time.
And Aline is an insane addict unable to cope and filled with grief.

I imagine you'd get over it eventually, Verso's just kind of a retard.
He lived way way way way past any experience real Verso had. He's a 100+ year old entity assmad about his partial teenage memories. Renoir was able to skip that shit easily.

or live out in reality where you're a half functioning cripple that is shunned by half of your family

Alecia isn't shunned by her family. She's lacks confidence and is traumatized but her father recognizes that she could be the most talented of the three sibling as represented by The Reacher and Clea is kind of a bitch and is mostly just frustrated that her sister isn't moving on from Verso's death and realizing her potential.

I just wanted Gustave’s apprentices to read his journal…

We've told you repeatedly. No one agrees with your mind control bullshit, it's plenty sad that Verso is forced to live a life he doesn't want because he won't be unpainted, and the shot is Maelle being fine in the paitned world but dying irl. this is really basic stuff man, your headcanon about magic painter mindcontrol has no basis other than "ooh black and white scary"

She basically tells her she can die in the canvas if that's what she wants.

That's what you say to a person you once really cared about and see are past the point of no return.

I can't remember what journal it was but that's basically what Verso did with one of the expeditions and they freaked out and tortured him for info becaue they didn't believe him.

Oh yeah I frogot about that. Tbf being overly cautious about Clea is a smart thing desu. Can't really fault him for it

Clea herself says several times how Alicia is useless and worthless for anything. How she'd rather see her doing nothing somewhere safe, instead of fucking things up even more.

Maelletard... Look at her room. It's full of books and a typewriter. Her family fully supports her in her non painting hobbies.

Renoir was fine. Hell, Painted Alicia found shit to do and loved her painted life.
Really Verso is the only autistic screeching machine. People in the party, even Esquie, tell him he has no need to pretend to be Verso and he still does it for no reason

You're level of cope is nearly reaching the same levels of Maelle herself.

That's a good enough premise for a character but they added more nuance to it by showing he does actually enjoy many parts of his life and finds love in that world, so he has to constantly live in a struggle between hating his existence but also finding himself becoming attached to many things in it.

Anons this is silly. If painted Alicia wanted to live she wouldn't have gone through that entire song and dance and just let Maelle gommage her. Neither real nor painted Alicia gave a fuck about Verso the hypocrite's goodbye, he had already elected to ignore both his sister's wishes several times, and had already doomed painted Alicia to death in favor of his mom earlier in the story.

Today I met a Gestral merchant

That MFer refused to sell me his stuff

He wants a duel!

I'llshowhim.jpg

[Merchant used quick left hook. You died]

He has a controlling personality and is forcing his idea of coping onto everyone else by trying to move past Verso's death way too fast, he's just as wrong as the others.

It's full of books and a typewriter

Nah she's definitely getting groomed by the Writers.

you can't just know what would happen based on what the characters said their intentions were because there wasn't a cutscene showing it explicitly!

Sorry about your autism.

I’m not even sure you played the game

Pic related but nice attempt at a non-argument.

you seem strangely invested in saying this in every thread over and over

I've posted in like two threads about this game ever because I just finished the game two days ago, you fucking braindead nigger mongoloid. This just tells me that other people can think logically about what would happen in the future based on understanding Renoir's character and based on what he already spent the entire game doing and why. You're just a genetic failure that should honestly be killed to spare the planet your stupidity.

Sure, but the point was more, Verso could a tried on his own will to reach out to them. Decided to up and murder them anyway.

Is immediately proven right when Alicia becomes

Based Clea calling out retards.

Hell, Painted Alicia found shit to do and loved her painted life.

Did she? She was all doom and gloom anytime she spoke and kinda committed suicide via Maelle.

Is this like a saracstic post or something?

So both endings result in the complete destruction of the painting

Headcanon. One ending results in the destruction of the painting. Anything could happen to it eventually in Alicia’s ending, including safeguarding for all time. It simply needs to be written that way. Yes, histrionic Alicia’s constantly says “papa will erazze it!” but that is not necessarily so. Stop trying to act like everything is set in stone just to piss people off.

Any point in going NG+?

Verso’s whole deal hinges on identity, though. It's not just him being stubborn—it’s the only control he thinks he has left. Everyone else adapts but he clings to the idea that being who he was before matters somehow, even if nobody else sees the point. It’s not “no reason,” it’s him trying to stay sane in a fake world that keeps telling him his real self doesn’t matter anymore.

None of the painted Dessendres gave a shit about painted Clea's fate

The actual fuck is wrong with these families

Taken too soon, resurrected too late.

She only decided to go out after both her parents were erased/ejected from the canvas and Verso was responsible for that happening so I'm surprised she didn't want to say goodbye to that dipshit

Lune is so precisely accurate in her breakdown of Verso's flaws that it really makes me agree with people saying she was the lead writer's self insert.

This is just sad Anon.

Yes, histrionic Alicia’s constantly says “papa will erazze it!”

He literally said he would erase it for their own good because they can't control themselves. He only agreed not to because he wanted to trust that Alicia wouldn't fuck up. And then she did. There's no world in which Renoir doesn't immediately get rid of the painting after she kills herself in there, if he even lets it get to that point in the first place and doesn't initiate another Fracture to pull her out by force. I'm really curious how you played through this game and somehow came away thinking Renoir is the kind of person who will idly sit by and watch his daughter rot because the painting lady said he should let his daughter make her own decisions.

She liked her hangout and wants to die because Verso literally murdered her father who loved her just to also kick out her mom and force her to never come back.
She was pissy that Maelle wore her face without the scars because it meant her mom had made another of her without them.
Then she learned it was just the real Alicia and stopped caring about that, instead wanting to connect with her.

Maelle dies, Renoir destroys the canvas

After decades, and *maybe*.
Your universe will die out eventually too, anon. Kill yourself now to make ME happy, I'm real and you're not.

Move when this 404s

“We’ve”

Firstly, I only started recently posting into this thread, you can tell by my chain of replies. So you’ve told me jack, mon ami.

Secondly. The cycle has continued anew with Alicia taking her mother’s place but isn’t confined to the likes of the monolith. It betrays everything Verso fought for.

And I don’t mean it’s mind control, after all she brought back Sciel’s husband. (If it is even the same husband, as Maelle never knew him unlike the others, nor had access to his Chroma.)

I mean in the sense she’s so far removed then how she was as Maelle, as a paintress she’s a god amongst mortals, able to change things at a whim. To which Verso lacks agency once more to undermine.

Nonsense. The whole point of beating renoir besides kicking him out was to claim all the worlds chroma so she could bring all these people back whole.

Painters are kind of horrible people aren't they? They create worlds with presumably sentient life and use them as playthings. They're all murderers.
If none of the inhabitants are actually alive then no harm done though.

You see, people can get over the supposed death of a loved one after more than 60 years.

the julie journal where she sees him get cleaved in two and only come out bruised. she's the one person he wanted to come back so he could explain to her too.

Aline created painted Verso right? Or am I retarded

I didn't read that bullshit reddit poster.

Yes. His personality is just what she believes Verso is, not actual Verso.

*maybe*.

No it's fact. As long as the painting is up Aline will keep trying to get back in which is why Verso/Renoir concludes that it must be destroyed. The only way the painting isn't being burned down to the ground is if Aline somehow grows a brain and agrees not to go back in.

Even then I'm pretty fucking sure Renoir is just going to keep grommaging everyone until Maelle leaves.

everyone else by trying to move past Verso's death way too fast

He didn't force anyone at all to move past his death. Aline didn't even try, she went straight to play Sims in her son's only canvas with her fake family, and he knows she won't get out of her own.
It's the same for Alicia. And he was right in both cases.

Reddit, Reddit, Reddit.

Is Reddit in the room with you right now Anon

We can agree to disagree on views and converse, but don’t shit up a good thread with baitposting.

Yes, all the painted humans are Aline's creation.

Maybe the dumb bitch should've inscribed a full explanation of what she was doing instead of a number on that monolith. Why did she even start with 100 anyway? "Heed me you ancient husks, I'm keeping you safe from the gommage" and it took them years to even know something was happening.

he wasn't gommaged, he wasn't killed by nevrons.we don't really know what happens to someone when they get killed by painted renoir.

There’s a billion worlds where he doesn’t erase it, you simply lack the imagination to consider them.
Here’s one: Clea fails and the whole D family is killed and the writers capture the painting. They want Gustaves lumina tek to expand on it and bring painted power to life in the real world. The keep the painting safe guarded so the can continue to exploit its power. See how simple that was?

No it's fact.

It's not a fact anon. It's a good prediction on how he would act, but a myriad things could happen to change his mind, like for example Aline who's been back in reality for a while getting over herself. So now they have less reason to destroy it.

Bro if you'd be living in their world, with the information that you're a painting (not a guess, not a belief, you KNOW it), that you're just created to be a background setting for someone's sims playthrough (someone clearly deranged, by grief), you'd think the same.

If anything it's going to be one grommage this time around because he'll come back at full power and Maelle isn't as strong as her mom to stop it.

So Verso tells us he's around a hundred years old, the real Verso died in his 20s, and Aline probably created Verso soon after entering the painting. That means that Aline has only been inside the painting for around 70-80 painting years right?

You're the one shitting up threads with your retarded black and white means bad ending bullshit. You're literally the only schizo with the mind control interpretation. You are the samefag who made and replied to like 5 times.

Bro if you'd be living in their world, with the information that you're a painting (not a guess, not a belief, you KNOW it), that you're just created to be a background setting for someone's sims playthrough (someone clearly deranged, by grief), you'd think the same.

Yet there are no less than three (3) other painted Dessendres who did not do that. It was just Verso. You have 1/4 examples who succumbed to this mentality.

It's a good prediction

It's fact because

Aline who's been back in reality for a while getting over herself

won't happen. She will force her way back, just like she did during the Renoir fight.

monoco and esquie agreed with verso right

More or less that should be about right. She also did seem to go in and out of it as did Renoir during the process of their bitching

Monoco is obviously conflicted but he's loyal to his friend. He's very obviously depressed after leaving the Paintress fight, and in his questline he's conflicted about bringing Noco back because he doesn't want to promise him a tomorrow that isn't coming.

Bro if you'd be living in their world, with the information that you're a painting (not a guess, not a belief, you KNOW it), that you're just created to be a background setting for someone's sims playthrough (someone clearly deranged, by grief), you'd think the same.

Except Renoir, Monoco and Esquie all know and are not suicidal. Renoir is in fact, the very opposite of it.
Lune does not adopt this mentality. Sciel is overjoyed since if reality is that malleable she can bring back her loved ones.
Verso is uniquely fucked up because he only thinks in false dichotomies.
There is no way but to kick out the paintress and let everyone die.
There is no way but to murder the expeditioners, they know our secret.
There is no way but to let Gustave die, he *could* inconvenience my plans.
There is no way but to fight Alicia.

Monoco did not agree exactly, but he swears to help Verso no matter what. He wanted to live, especially because of Noco, but understood what Verso was doing and would never betray him.

People say the game is about grief but it's not. It's actually about cucking.
Aline created a fake new family and lived with them for years, cucking the real Renoir. He had to watch her do it in the canvas until he had enough.
Painted Renoir? He knows he's not the real Renoir but has memories of the real Renoir fucking his wife.
Verso? Has memories of his loved ones getting fucked by the real Verso. Has to see his real sister replacing him with Gustav. Cucked again.
Maelle? Painted her with a burnt face out of spite so got cucked out of a happy normal life in the canvas.

It's cuckoldry all the way down.

Not particularly, they just support him out of understanding/friendship.

Alicia wanted it and Painted Clea isn't available for comment.
That's 2 against 1, actually.

lumina tek to expand on it and bring painted power to life in the real world

dude what if they somehow make the fantasy technology converting chroma to something else (you know, PAINTING) work in real life

You dumb fuck.

won't happen. She will force her way back, just like she did during the Renoir fight.

Yes Maelle's ending does not depict Aline having returned despite the canvas existing. Curious!
Are you autistic or something? You literally cannot imagine the writer going "then something else happened and circumstances changed"? I understand that based on the info you have that's a likely deduction, but it is not a fact.

Don't forget that in the end everyone is cucking the real Verso by having fun with his canvas.

Alicia did not want it until Verso got rid of her parents. Plus she was innately fucked for different reasons.
And one example still fucks up your rhetoric that anyone would feel that way.

Painted Clea was happy with Simon so safe to assume she was fine

That is exatly what real Verso originally wanted people to do with his canvas. He had just gotten tired of it after his parents and sister fucked it up for so long.

My first reply was to - And you can follow and dissect my particular writing style, if it is of any comfort to you in your free-time Anon.

This hostility for a made up ghost that isn't me is concerning anon. Perhaps its time you stepped out of the painting that is Anon Babble. Because not once, did I infer nor say "mind-control." But discuss the aspects of Maelle's assimilation back into Aliclia.

I accept your concession. Stop trying to write an ending that isn’t there. You autistic retards take everything so literally you can’t imagine a game deviating from your script, when this game deviated from its own script numerous times.

Painted Verso was also on her mothers side at the time of expedition 0, opinions change through time.

There will certainly be some Writer shenanigans with Gustave's diary

the mind control interpretation

NTA, but I'm curious to how you justify Verso not summoning a pistol from a picto and going full American.

I wasn't the Anon you were replying to you dumb nigger. Your suggestion was just this fucking retarded.

Painted Verso was also on her mothers side at the time of expedition 0, opinions change through time.

Your thesis was that knowing you're a fake person instantly makes you seethe.

I don't really have to justify your retardation. Forced to continue living he did what he's done most of his life, live in seethe while still hovering around his family, but sad.

oh you think renoir would destroy the painting? well... heh... what if santa claus teleported into the room with jimmy saville and killed renoir then raped alicia to death and sold the painting to donald trump? didn't think of that did you... go to college

Wait is that what the original anon said?
I didn't read I just assumed he was talking about for/against canvas being destroyed.

He's dumb heh why would that make anyone seethe.