No games about Sun Tzu
No games about Sun Tzu
I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that nobody could best him in the ring of honor.
Commies don't make dudebro games (dudebro means no female soldiers if you don't get it).
Sun Tzu this, and sun tzu that, people never talk about Clausewitz
It's not even sure if he existed at all, or just different authors using his name.
believe it or not, the first total war title was made because of his work
now we're at warhammer slop era
then why was it set in japan?
Sun Jian in dynasty warriors is a decendant of Sun Tzu. Thats close enough.
Dynasty Warriors is kino btw.
only the anglos know
expert on warfare
country he's from never won a war against a foreign power over thousands of years
he was one of the very first grifters
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brittanica
troy
pharoah
KEK cope
Japan was an enormous economic superpower while China was still largely unindustrialized.
There is a game about Sun Li.
Art of War by Sun Tzu
chapter 1: War
"You would be wide to kill more of your opponents soldiers than your opponent kills of your own. So says Sun Tzu.
isnt he the founder of the imperial city arena?
The Li family from the Tang Dynasty also claimed descent from Laozi, even though they were half-Xianbei from the intermixing with the nomad invaders.
American gonna have their minds blown when they realize a modern country is just a bunch of nations that got assimilated the most dominant one.
His country, Wu is just a small part of current day China.
idk what the ESL is saying but don't call the chinks out on Bruce Lee as well
id prefer a game that features practical ideas of Shang Yang
Isn't that the guy who punished by his own laws?
Wu state never won a war against foreigners? Or are you saying that China was always a unified nation?
as always
his philosophy was more realistic and successful than the cope of confucius tho
people barely care about all the historical differences, if they know of them at all
if you're not being an active political issue in the modern day, like taiwan or catalonia or kosovo, then you might as well have always been part of the post-19 century nation
Team Fortress 2
Japan literally exported fucking everything from China including its fucking architecture, religion and culture you absolute historylet faggot.
China was once considered the center of the world and culture.
Chink
I'm white.
Old China != PRC. You are both unwise.
The first game is about Sengoku Jidai which isn't modern times you absolute fucking retard.
Confucius is in Civilization VII
China was once considered the center of the world and culture.
By the Chinese themselves
i dont know about culture but it did create shit ton of pottery and fabrics
The discussion has clearly left Anon Babble territory.
Eurocentric retard detected.
looked up a Sun Tzu quote just today because I wanted to post it in a thread
Sun Tzu thread appears on Anon Babble
What the fug.
How do you guys feel about this one? What they don't tell you is that you'll see your friends too and not just the enemies.
As opposed to your Sinocentrism?
As opposed to a cosmopolitan view
Every major civilization saw themselves and their culture as the center of the world (Romans, Greeks, Egyptians Indians ect). Its nothing unique or special when it comes to China
sounds lazy, like all of taoism
Moron.
ad hominem
As aspected from a shitposter.
sounds lazy
There's a difference between laziness and patience; The difference is that laziness is unintentional. I'm sorry that you don't understand that.
How many people do you know with 10,000 hours in a video game? It's not possible with laziness, and you need patience. Laziness is doing nothing.
Seeing how people still believe being a good general = win battles Sun Tsu wisdom is still pretty relevant
Goes to show how people still are dumb fucks so many years since. Good generals win wars.
isn't this the case for all ancient historical figures who don't have clear documented lineages, ergo kings and rulers
Can you prove you're smarter than those people?
Sun Tzu is the most overrated historical meme ever.
just run the fuck away so you don't lose anything
Everything he ever said is just common sense self-preservation you yourself could have figured out without ever bothering with any of his quotations or sermonizing.
It not that simple. Sometimes you get direct order from your king to stand and fight, sometimes it was sunk cost fallacy, sometimes one don't realize that they have lost,.... Be able to asset the situation and choose the correct response is a skill.
I share this board with people I legitimately think fail to breathe under their own power.
Also sometimes it's pride, sometimes tradition, sometimes arrogance. They don't understand. I'm more like the opposite of (modern) sinophile but I still can grasp such seemingly simple concepts. Inability to learn from obvious opportunities is a sad symptom.
I see nobody wants to defend their existence, which is fine. I think I'll filter every image posted in this thread, hide every post, and return to filtering every thread on the board. Nobody writes anything worth reading anyway.
If their civilization was so great why they get invaded by barbarians
LMAO at the seething chinks who can't handle the truth.
Be Knight
Charge into crossbow fire because honorable close combat > everything
End up complaining to the church and hoping it to get banned because it hurt muh honor after getting rekt
What do you know, people are retarded and ignorant?
If their civilization was so great why they get invaded by barbarians
That's a good question. Maybe the doors were open. Anon Babble was a great place, but if anyone can walk in, then they will, and your place is destroyed.
Because it was so great that barbarians want their stuffs.
Scipio would destroy Sun Tzu hands down
Only took 'em 74 YEARS
Build a great wall
Never effective at keeping out invaders
remember when sun tsu got a king to kill one of his concubines? wonder how they would address that storyin the game.
They literally bribed local functionaries to let them through it.
The fate of every great country until technological disparity becomes high enough. It is almost there but barbarians were let in by the soft-hearted, leading to inevitable doom. In a few cycles the barrier will be so high this will no longer be possible. If civilisation survives until that point, no great filters will threaten it.
IDGAF about chinks or chink culture.
The wall is more like an early warning system then actual defend. There were soldiers station there and can spot incoming invaders. Also the wall can slow down the movement of horse which most nomadic raiders used.
defacing
Every single fucking time.
imported you mean, right?
What are you even talking about?
Yes.
Did you really come in here to say that? Make a thread about your culture if that's what you care about.
I was just asking someone to prove they're smarter than the average person. I personally can't tell any of you apart, and that's why it's strange to me that you guys like to insult each other's intelligence.
You know the wall, the great wall? the gate was opened for genghis khan in exchange for some pussy for the traitor.
of course they are. but the thing is, people often don't think about these things in the heat of the moment as things are actively developing, do they? so it's good to have a collection of these obvious little wisdom nuggets handy just in case, right?
that's why it's strange to me that you guys like to insult each other's intelligence.
I don't want to call you a newfag but anons call each other stupid fags all the time.
You can call me a newfag but it would make no sense. I've spent more on this website than anyone. Also, your reading comprehension is terrible because I brought up what you said in my post. I'm filtering this thread now. I did not have a second thread open. 95% of this board is automatically filtered at all times. Please enjoy each other's company.
Japan stopped being heavily influenced by China after the Heian period.
So that means it never happened at all.
No but it means the most important and well known periods of Japanese history (Kamakura, Sengoku, Meiji) don't have strong Chinese influence
I've spent more on this website than anyone
Prove it
because I brought up what you said in my post.
So a pointless rhetorical question, and you question others' intelligence
95% of this board is automatically filtered
And? Many of us do the same
Anon, the Great Wall didn't exist in Genghis' time.
You're thinking of the Late Jin/Zing, later Qing dynasty getting to conquer Beijing after a guy opened the gate for their armies under the promise they'll unfuck the civil war the Ming found itself in.
OG Great Wall was built by the guy who buried all Confucian scholars and was maintained by the succeeding Han dynasty because of their wars with Hiongu, later Xiongnu. It ceased existing in the Three Kingdoms period as the state stopped having any reason to keep garrisons there or maintain the fortifications. This was 200s.
Tang controlled lands way beyond the wall so they had no reason to care about it and the Song, who did see a big threat to their north... didn't even own the area where it had been built.
Genghis walks into the picture in the 1200s by which point the area is controlled by Jin (Jurchen/Manchu) and there's nothing left of the Han wall. The only leftovers to this day are deep in the Gobi because the environment is better for preserving this sort of shit (think how much stuff from Ancient Egypt survives simply because it's now deep in the desert, away from rains, people reusing the material or using them as free foundations to build on top of, etc.).
Mongols eventually conquer all the states in China and initiate Pax Mongolica.
Once that falls apart and Ming takes their place, that's when the Chinese define the modern Great Wall and build the picturesque "Fuck off and never come back" to the Mongols. And it kind of worked out? Horsefuckers did indeed never come back. Instead they had another visit from the pesky forest people that already carved out a state in northern China once before and to top it off were the ones who lost the mountainous terrain and chokepoints to Genghis that the Great Wall would later be built in.
Didn't the Ming only give a shit about reinforce the wall once one of the emperor was captured by the Mongols?
the Great Wall didn't exist in Genghis' time.
Fucking retard. It existed, it just wasn't finished you're either retarded or being a disingenuous faggot.
Exposed its retardation in the first sentence
Thank God, saved me reading all that other shit.
Because they weren't barbarians at all. The Mongols had a very sophisticated communication system, a highly disciplined military, mastery over cavalry tactics and the incredible ability to adapt to their enemies. Even the Yuan dynasty eventually was accepted as a legit dynasty in China.
Japan didn't stop getting Chinese influence after Heian. Heian is just the starting point of recognisably original things being developed within Sinospheric tradition in Japan.
The first non-Chinese things like the folding paper fans (Heian), sliding doors (Kamakura and not spread back to the continent), birch-bark Chink-y roofs, katanas, etc.
However, they still hoovered up a ton of shit from contact with the continent and the idea that they somehow stopped all contact is just pants on head retarded.
Tea ceremonies (Kamakura), Zen buddhism (Kamakura), ink painting (Muromachi), saws (Muromachi), Neo-Confucianism (Edo), porcelain-making (Edo), shamisen (Edo), paper lanterns (Edo), porn books (Edo), courtesan culture (Edo, though geisha as such turn into their own thing), etc.
Just think of how much Japanese love Romance of the Three Kingdoms for the most normie example there is. That book was written and spread during Ming and yet official histories of Sengoku are chock-full of references to events invented in it. Obviously that would be impossible if Japan just ousted itself from all contact once Heian ended.
They just weren't in complete lockstep of doing nothing but copying everything from the continent.
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR!
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR!
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAR!
That was old China, the cultural revolution inflicted upon them by commie subverters was among the most fucked up events in all of history.
China today has somewhat wised up to the damage it caused but they are far from fully recovering.
THE CONVERSATION WAS INITIALLY ABOUT THE FIRST TOTAL WAR GAME WHICH WAS SET IN SENGOKU JIDAI JAPAN. WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GET FUCKING PRC FROM YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD?
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He didn't, this fag did: This is a 100% /pool (is closed)/ post.
Clausewitz
Germshit midwit GIGA MOGGED by Swiss GOD Jomini.
Japan didn't stop getting Chinese influence after Heian
I didn't say they stopped getting influenced but the influenced was significantly reduced after the 10th century, especially when Japan went into semi isolation.
Here, have a read.
muse.jhu.edu
But if you're unable to wrap your head around a continuous body of text which goes into extreme detail on how Song had only a vague idea about what the wall was and where it actually ran, then the short and simple reatard-proof version is to just look at Secret History of the Mongols (jigjids.wordpress.com
To the Song it was simply a partially mythical we-wuz they had read about in old books and to the locals of Liao and Jin it was straight up anything from a fairy-tale to random barely recognisable weird terrain.
idk how people can remember this shit. people joke about asians looking the same but every word and name they come up with blends together into a linguistic slurry.
actually anon, it was jianzhou who defeated the qiliong during the bingsun era, not lui sheng who was the governer of tiangwong at the time
If you speak any of the languages, you've got the added meanings and characters to help you along before you're familiar with a particular topic.
Memey guys are everywhere so you know them by exposure, say Sejong the Great. Well that's his posthumous name so it's actually meant to be understandable. It's not Taejong, Sejong, Munjong, Danjong,... but meaningful names. A slurry becomes "X the Great" "Y the Wise" "Z the Learned". Big but recognisable families, placenames that make reference to certain historical events or ideas, etc.
It's not always easy but it's much more of a reasonable task to orientate oneself than simply juggling random syllables around. And knowing one unlocks the door for all of CJKV, hence why Chinese and Japanese are easily into each others' history.
I would like a game about The Water Margin. Failing that, something set in the Sixteen Kingdoms period would be refreshing.
I take my post back. I would actually like to see a game set in the Manchu invasion of the Ming. It could be told from both sides, detailing the motives and paranoia of the constantly escalating war until one side or the other claims victory. I'm not usually a simp for monarchs, but the last Ming emperor had quite a sad death, all things considered.
pretty funny war tool. looks just like the thing they used to thresh corn with, back in the day.
If I recall, some Europeans would use similar weapons with a smaller macehead that could reach around a shield and smash your arm or shoulder up. I'm a layman when it comes to weapons and armor though, so take what I just said with a grain of salt. When it comes to Chinese weapons I'm a Ji lover though.
I mean, there are quite a few versions of Suikoden by Koei and obviously there's the titular Suikoden, though that one's just in reference and reusing the formula rather than being a game about the book's story.
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And then the RPG suikoden and all the copies of that.
I'm aware of Suikoden, but thanks for reminding me. I've yet to play any of them. I need to get back to learning Mandarin so I have a chance of playing the older games. That and I could finally play 嗜血印 Bloody Spell without the horrid translation. And Ancient Warfare: The Han Dynasty. Fucking hell I wish Chinese indie devs had the resources to hire good English translators.