It's official, DOOM flopped HARD

Once again proving that hardcore Anon Babble coded games are dead and the modern audience is unironically bigger than "hardcore gamers". You lost.

with half of them dropping after 10mins"

Proofs?

I would assume Microsoft doesn't want Game Pass subscribers to play a half hour of Doom before dropping it, rather they're trying to get Doom players who'd normally pay full price to subscribe to Game Pass instead

Doom: the woke ages isn't Anon Babble coded. Failguard and asscreed black fag also flopped

Game was a lot of fun. Not sorry in any way I 100% it. Anyone who paid to buy it is a moron and deserves to be mocked. It should basically be treated as the free game you get with a new console except it's game pass.

From the company that is on life support by a chinese company and the studio with layoffs.

Yeah they are the winners
OP you lost

They fucked up by releasing a short game so close to Oblivion and E33. Should've waited a full month so people would have to renew the sub

sales

kill yourself shill

microsoft doesn't want you to give them $80 they're happy with $5

Shill-kun...

That's just how "free" games work.

I mean they'd be happy if they get that every month forever

got what i paid for again award

good, never cared for nu-doom. it was reddit incarnate

under 1m sales

This is going to cause a big shift in the industry, prepare to get your propaganda machines running boys every vacuum is filled with noise

make super sjw tranny game

nobody buys it

make super masculine macho game

nobody buys it

the fuck gamers do ever want nowadays????

The future of this industry belongs to Microsoft.

"That's bullshit!*
youtu.be/lwMcuOxvKoI?si=iCXt_u5IACS-pqwQ

Where do any of these numbers come from?

half of them dropping after 10mins

Every game I tried on Gamepass was me playing it for 10m and dropping it. This is also why Hi-Fi Rush got Tango shut down

No-one cares about your playtime. Even if you clocked in 20 hours, it'd be still a gamepass download and make barely pennies for the publisher. It's not an argument, stop bringing it up.

aggressively make game as different as humaly possible to the games that most people enjoyed and want more of

noone buys it

WTF??????? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN

The publisher is gamepass

but they won't.

Doom is probably my favorite series, but I don't have a raytracing card. I don't have a modern console. I play PC games, but none have required raytracing before now.
Was the barrier for entry to me. Modern Doom games don't have stating power with me either. I like wads, mods, etc.
I'll just wait till the price drops, then play it. It'll probably be really fun. But no rush.

retards at microsoft really want to shill gamepass as the next netflix without understanding the gaming market.

Gamers want cute chibi games about making cute houses and fighting dragons.

No it didn't you fucking retard

I want to be a cool guy doing cool things. Not a cringe guy doing cringe things. It's really that simple.

Read: "All on gamepass, with half of them dropping after 10mins"

Yeah that's me haha booted it up and immediately quit after a cutscene started playing
I'm a player, a real player, out of 3 millions!

Given the low level of marketing and up-front cost it's clear they wanted this to be gamepass filler. Microsoft really wants to kill us all with this unsustainable Gamepass model, they are the demons.

>Over 2M on Xbox & Xbox Game Pass

Steamie chart bros.........we're irrelevant........

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So at least 500k actually bought the game with rest being uncertain.
Next round of Microsoft lay offs soon.

Truth nuke

most people playing it on gamepass would not buy the game at full price

You're a smart guy anon, is $10 larger or smaller than $70?

And it's not like someone's $10 for one month of gamepass goes entirely to one game's studio, either

bro they only pay for one month only!

Gamepassers pay $120 every year

The majority of players played the game where Microsoft wanted them to play...this is bad because...it just is ok?

Gamepassers pay $120 every year

assuming they don't abuse 3 years gold membership then transfer it to ultimate game pass for 1$

they all do this thing i made up in my head. Trust me bro

I played the new Doom for about 10 hours, and I haven’t bought it. All on Game Pass. The reason it doesn’t seem like a big deal is not only because it looks like Doom Eternal DLC rather than a new game, but it’s free. Most people on Xbox already have Game Pass to play online, so they’re not gonna buy it. Microsoft must know this won’t make money through purchases, and are banking instead on new subscriptions to Game Pass, which I doubt will happen at a level which could be seen as profitable.

im sure it did retard kun...

this isn't the ps4 era, 500k is fine for ps5.

how many layoffs to cover the cost?

500k is too much for this dreck

Can't wait for the next reboot that's also gonna flop on 3 again

players

EVERY FUCKING TIME

Reporting 3 million players is a bad omen now

That's the price of only 2 games. Microsoft has to divide that money in a thousand different ways, to support all the games on gamepass. Each game only gets a fraction of that money. It's a loss for them.

Unironically what will gamepassists do if they wanna replay Doom: Dark Ages in 5 years? I never figured that bit out

Yeah bro and im sure netflix is also finished

there is a million shows and only $15 a month, you cant survive by giving pennies to each show!

Nu-Doom is safe macho, similar to nu-God of War.

*also on gamepass

Made more money on playstation lol

STAND AND FIGHT

nuGoW isn't macho, safe or otherwise
the soibois playing it would be appalled to be associated with machoism, cause it's toxic masculinity

They don't think that long anyway. By that point the will consuming the latest gamepass slop and won't think to play older games

This was posted by a tranime watcher btw

You can't report copies sold Chud this is literally genocide

We already heard that with Hi-Fi Rush

Microsoft releases at least one day1 AA-AAA title every mondth into the service now, many times multiple. Many of these have over 100m budgets. $120 every year is peanuts unless they will have 100m users as it was written in their internal documents.
Game Pass is not growing in any substantial matter after the COVID lockdowns. They had to fold the Gold userbase, vut back on the conversion rate and remove day1 games from the base (now middle) sub to force everyone into the most expensive tier. Even with the price hikes the revenue only grew a few percent which means they actually lost users despite the value - on paper - is still there.
If nothing changes - and Xbox is clearly desperate this year to grow GP as the platform has no value left outside of it - the MS leadership will kill it in a few more shitty quarters.

Another woke western tranny slop

flops

Who would have thought........................

and Xbox is clearly desperate this year to grow GP as the platform has no value left outside of it -

they closed the loophole many used to get cheap game pass through vpn, i bet they are going to report a drop or just skip that in the next quarter

playstation hard carrying the entire AAAAAA industry on this back.
i really wanna see snoy die and entire industry being decimated in one big domino effect.

Netflix made all of its money in the beginning, when the streaming scene was still non competitive, and they effectively ran a monopoly. Since then, they've had to cut projects, raise their prices by a lot, and include ads in paid subscriptions in order to stay alive. They've been bleeding money for years. And other streaming services attempting to compete are all bleeding money as well. They think that streaming is the future, yet it's far too costly to maintain with all the licensing involved. They run these sites at a loss, hoping that staying relevant keeps their brand elevated. And by keeping their brand elevated, they can make money in other ways.

The way you make money through online services is very fluid. Because it's not as simple as just paying directly for a product. It's about pulling people in, and then somehow getting them to spend money on things that they didn't think they would spend money on. So you have to think about an overall value that each person brings to the service. If a person signs up for a year, their starting value is $120. Which is very low. Because most people play more than $120 dollars worth of games per year. So Microsoft has to get people to pay for other things in order to increase everyone's value. The problem here, is that if people are only logging in for 10 minutes worth of gameplay, then they're not spending enough time with Microsoft in order to be sold on other things. They bring no more value than their initial subscription. And from id Software's perspective, those 10 minute players bring no value to them either. As they're not becoming invested in id Software games. id software gets paid less than the game's real value.

development cost recoup is waaay deep in the red and that is le good

Huh? they got ACK'd? lmao

EU lost

What? But Microsoft is an American company that bought the most useless video game developers ever. Everything they made was a flop

the most useless video game developers ever

Why would they want Funcom?

What makes you think I care about European tranny games? Nigga, I hate that slop with a passion. I'm just stating facts

You probably also thought Paddy's Dollars was economically sound.
youtube.com/watch?v=YAKOWcs8w54

that bought the most useless video game developers ever

Bungie?

Game Pass works on PC too, so there is literally no reason to buy the game on Steam or anywhere else. But it is a bit concerning how light on content the game was. It's like it was specifically designed for people to play on GamePass and considering how many studios XBOX own they are actually about to kill the AAA market for reals. They'll sell these overpriced games for $80 that nobody will buy but if you got GamePass... It way cheaper to just get GamePass, right?
Gaming is over bros.

literally no reason

Do zoomers really?

support.xbox.com/en-US/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-conversions
how about go fuck yourself

Yeah bro im sure everyone is using this method

Gamepass has been a disaster for microsoft. Basically, every game is being sold for like 10$ every release.

he meant it sold for ~2 minutes

A flop compared to what recent successful single-player action or adventure game? Sifu? Silent Hill 2 Remake? It did about as well as the genre can these days.

did ray tracing just btfo all of the handheld market from buying this game?

the woke ages

super masculine macho game

I legitimately do not understand why Microsoft pushes game pass so hard when it's a net loss for developers, especially now when games are hitting the 70-80 dollars range

most famous FPS IP franchise

30 years of seniority

killed within a few years after being adquired by Microsoft

Oops, I did it again...

If it was such a disaster, Microsoft would kill it, not make a cloud-based one, an ad-based one, and raising the price of the PC one along with Ultimate again. The only thing so far that has been a failure is the Xbox home console itself thus Everything is an Xbox.

Sunk cost fallacy is a thing. Their original plan was to drag Sony into this and they were hoping that they could strong arm the whole industry into this cancer:
-players mass migrating on the service due to the price appeal
-Sony forced to have a similar system and die because no MS infinite money to back it up
-Impose a new standard of consuming games and force 3rd party studios to accept their (unfavorable) conditions or flop

Fortunately this didn't happen and MS is seen as a lolcow. 3rd party studios take the GP deal as a bonus since no one buys games on XBox anymore (hence why they're releasing their games on PS5 too) and the players didn't follow them in their dystopic subscription FOMO scheme.

Going back and cancelling it is out of the question for Spencer, he'd get fired immediately and is just buying time with "in x years it will all be worth it!!" arguments. Can't believe this guy lasted so long as the head of Xbox, he killed the brand.

Because they're greedy cunts, don't care about money, and all they want is Netflix type money. It's never going to happen and this will be their last console generation.

They want to treat games like tv shows but that's just not how it works. I know so many people who buy stuff and leave it there in their library for YEARS before even starting the game. Gamepass exists entirely against that feeling.

what the fuck was id thinking with the parry system?

Kek, glad I’m not the only one to call that fag out

I played Doom (2016) back when it came out and had a lot of fun, but didn't touch Eternal after all the kernel anticheat stuff.

What's wrong with this medieval one, exactly? It got casualized too much and now it's just baby's first FPS or something?

Im gonna assume buy the game if its removed from gamepass. Retaaaard

With bloated free games like Genshin Impact and phones who really expects this stuff to sell?

…. Sorry? With what games? I have a series x and a ps5 and my Ps hasnt been turned on in months.

There was logic. The logic was that the people responsible for oversight on Tango didn't want to wake up at 3am to have meetings. That's literally why.

Half a million sales for a AAA consolized FPS game on the leading console this generation is pretty damn dire

It's difficult to describe. It's easier than Eternal but harder than Doom 2016. The shield mechanics just don't resonate with me and it becomes tiresome to traverse from one battlefield to the next, repeating what is essentially a similar fight. You've also got some turret, Nintendo punchout and flying segments which don't fit the game at all thrown in as well.

freemium battle pass fortnite slop, or a relatively cheap game with a lot of depth and/or co-op play

gameplay is the polar opposite of eternal (not bad per se, but certainly slower and casual friendly)

expensive

no multiplayer mode

story learned all the wrong lessons from eternal critique

everything is color coded, the game treats you like a retard

anything over a million these days is an unmitigated success. Therefore 500k, is well on it's way to break 1 million by the end of june. keep in mind these are the twilight years of gaming.

Sounds like Serious Sam, but lamer. I liked the glory kill stuff in 2016 and thought it let the fights feel fast and kept you moving, but if the whole game is melee, I dunno.

Definitely sounds like it was 'made to appeal to a wider audience.' Did Id lose a bunch of the original 2016 devs between then and now or something?

All of them, they are the only ones buying videos games from everybody, even carrying MS on their back.

Phil's plan was never going to work because it relied on Sony and Nintendo allowing Game Pass on their systems. Satya's plan is better because Sony will kill the PlayStation themselves by making it unaffordable with next generation? Microsoft doesn't even have to lift a finger but release a $500 dockable handheld the year before.

Did Id lose a bunch of the original 2016 devs between then and now or something?

I'm not sure, but Microsoft loves to save money by using contractors so I wouldn't be surprised if a decent chunk of the studio got laid off since the acquisition. That's usually bad news for studios with in-house engines - take a look at 343i. On that note, I just remembered another thing people hate about it - this is like one of the first games in history with mandatory ray tracing, the minimum requirements are high so poorfags have been left out in the cold. Both 2016 and Eternal ran very well on toasters for comparison.

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Quite possibly the biggest snoys on twitter, I believe absolutely nothing they say about anything and I don't even give a fuck about nu-doom

7 times cheaper on Game Pass

It's a flop because it didn't buy the game itself

Game Pass certainly isn't the same as a sale, but how did it flop? this is what they wanted when they fucking put the game there

id doesn't hire contractors like 343 does.

This, 343 (now Halo Studios) is a Microsoft subsidiary. Halo Studios IS Microsoft

And id doesn't hire contractors.

with a subscription service, player retention is a key metric. When your players quit your biggest release of the quarter after 10 minutes, alarm bells start sounding.

There's a reason subscription based products make a ton of money. Retards (Anon Babble, most the population) don't understand them and so don't make them themselves, which means even less competition.

You are contradicting your statement. Why would I not buy a game that is a lot of fun that is worth 100%ing?

They don't make money per minute played on x or y game, retard

They need to reach critical mass first.

Pajeetsoft thought Gamepass woud beat 100M subs right now. It's at around 35M LMAO.

Reminder that a Palworld dev said that game pass is actually great for a game

An estimate was wrong for one company so the business model itself is bad

Wow brilliant

When it comes to GamePass services then numbers don't count anymore. It's up to M$ how much they got paid. M$ could have paid their budget 3 times over to have it on game pass.

and then doom died for the next 20 years

the devs do retard nigger

That's pretty bad. Do xbox players just have short attention spans? I mean, dropping a game after 2~10 minutes? I'm pretty sure it takes longer than that to install these games now + if they also have patches to go with it. You're just wasting your bandwidth at that point. At least finish a level or 2 or get 2 hours into a game before you decide if it's not for you.

But Game Pass barely grew on PC as well. The fundamental issue of the service is that outside of a closed console ecosystem where the platform holder holds all the cards and forces you to pay their fees Game Pass is not an insane deal.
This is what many people don't understand. The PC Game Pass has the same advantages as the Xbox Ultimate yet it cost half of that because they can't tell the users that the multiplayer fee is included or how cheaper are the games than in the Xbox store.
Game Pass is entirely held up by the console userbase. The same userbase Phil Spencer is telling to not get a dedicated Xbox hardware anymore. Instead they will release prebuilt PC where Steam is king and a handheld where the Switch and the Deck dominates the market. Their current test run ROG handheld will cost more than their current consoles nobody buys.
They do the exact same what they did with Xbox in the past ten years. Make up a very risky plan and fail the execution at every step.
Look at their god damn cloud streaming service. Low bitrate 1080p from Series S systems. That is it. Even Sony offers crisp 4K from actual PS5 units despite they only started doing it last year. Microsoft had SIX fucking years to make their standard and it is the worst offer on the market

Posted the fag that put in the time to make such a shitty rip off meme for his fag games.

The setting is retarded as all fuck, nobody gives a fuck about the story of doom.

And remember, they're raising prices on Xbox hardware and games too! LMAO surely that'll fix Xbox's problems.

Just wait for Linux's RADV feature to mature. It's a driver-level feature for old AMD cards that lets them simulate ray-tracing. Alan Wake 2 is playable on Polaris cards, and Indy is playable on Vega series GPUs, which runs on the same engine as Dark Ages. It's just a matter of time and patience with Linux's quirks.

Deck dominates the market

lmao, not for long. The 2027 Xbox dockable handheld will completely take its place.

Even Sony offers crisp 4K from actual PS5 units despite they only started doing it last year

And it's going to come at a price in 2028.

It's to kill the Xbox home console faster, they really want to move it, everything to Windows.

Where do you get dropped after 10 minutes from?
It just says 2 million people played it on game pass
Honestly game pass is a good deal, why would I buy games, I can just play them and many others for a fraction of the price?

It is great for indies with low sales expectations. It is guaranteed money upfront and free advertisment. The Xbox sales loss is not an issue because games barely sell on the platform. The problem is when a GP game is either expensive and/or expected to sell because then MS can't pay enough to compensate.

I don't get it. which is failing and which is doing well; Doom or gamepass?

Anon how dare you use a SERVICE to play games. You must BUY the product if you’re a REAL GAMER teehee

Both are doing well but snoys cant go a day talking about anything xbox/microsoft related

why did Anon Babble want this game to flop again

Doom flopped, game pass is doing alright but stagnated awhile back.

Why does Nintendo and Microsoft break them so much, is it because of the upcoming Switch 2 and the rumored dockable Xbox handheld for 2027 that's causing this?

It's the peak of pandering to redditcore DOOM "fans".

redditcore

explain

top kek

normies/trannies/thirdworlders really want America and Japan to fail for some reason.

Xbox fags trying to include themselves in Nintendo's success

Not very subtle, retards.

This site is over run with bots and shills.
I think the game looks good. I haven't bought it yet because of the price and that it's on GamePass. I haven't played it yet because of Denovo. I'm not a huge fan of everything they did with the game, but my complaints are pretty minor considering. One of these days I'll play it.

Doom sold pretty badly for a game of it's size, but at least an ok amount of people tried the game on gemepass for at least 1 minute.

This is actually an interesting topic. Humans have short attention spans the more options they have. Also the more options they have the harder time they have with choosing between them. My niece grew up on PS+ and along with all the modern internet attention span killers it made him not being able to focus on anything for long. He is jumping between games all the time. If something can't catch his attention in five minutes it is over. "Wasting bandwidth" is not an issue in non third world countries (like the USA lol). We have high speed unlimited internet access for cheap. Also many of the new games you can try right away by streaming on Xbox.
There are tons of people who buy games day 1 and never even get halfway into them, with GP people have even less incentive to play a game for long.

mandatory ray tracing

Oh right, that was another galaxy brained move.

What was the reason, again? Something about better hit detection? Did it even really factor into the gameplay?

its funny watching Anon Babble try to wrap their heads around this. its actually kind of terrible that microsoft is slowly carving out this rental market (that they 100% own and control)

you also have to wonder if Bethesda gets any kick back for players/downloads like how PSN give $1 per download or whatever so Rocket League made $20million debuting there

Hey snoy, when are you guys getting any new games?!

Feels like gaming has a normie problem.

This. Also the game made sure not to appeal to either 2016 or Eternal fans at all, detailing as much as they could how they completely departed from what made people like these games, along with learning nothing from how people hated the story of Eternal and doubling down on the onions setting.
And the final nail in the coffin: requirements.
Less than 20% of Steam users even have RTX cards, much less ones that can actually run the game with the required RTX on. No one can even play this on PC.

Microsoft pays themselves, yes.

They were too lazy to have a guy place raster lights in the levels.

when Xbox gets out of last place.

Snoy bitch lose it every time Nintendo or Microsoft makes something successful

Sony keeps fucking up yet Snoys keep defending them

How about you stop licking the boot of your masters.

You've had how many years to get an RTX-compatible card?

Snoy bitch lose it

yes saar the snoy bitch lose it saar

Snoybitch forever stuck in console war mentality

This is why PlayStation has no future after 6.

The 2027 Xbox dockable handheld will completely take its place.

This would require nothing short of a miracle. The Deck is backed by THE PC Store, the XBox Store is a joke.

I'm sorry, what platform is SAAROS on again?

It's more convenient then when I used to rent games from Blockbuster, at least for new games, it's a different matter for discounted old games
So if I really don't like ANYTHING on gamepass, which is rare, I have my other game libraries, from Steam, with loads of games from family sharing, and libraries on Epic and GOG filled with free games
The only games I buy lately are gifts to my friends for their birthdays, which I can also play because of Steam Family Sharing
Honestly, I'm not even pirating games anymore because it's all so cheap

It already happened back then in my friend group with the DS and the R4. I didn't have one and got a game every 2/3 months and always finished them and chose them carefully while they were just jumping from game to game and barely finishing any.
I think if you don't have a bit of discipline these subscription formulas are a trap, you pay with your time and overall satisfaction. At the slightest low/difficulty in the game you'll be victim of FOMO ("why tf am I playing this, I should play something better in my infinite library!") and you'll keep jumping from game to game.

sold at Wal-Mart and other retailers

switching to Win32

Xbox Microsoft Store already gets most of the same games on the Steam Store now it will get more due to Xbox and UWP getting dropped for Win32

Xbox console optimization

access to third party stores

It's going to replace the Steam Deck

I do believe that would be Playstation 5.

It's gonna have steam too

Linux trannies emerge

Xbox is going full force into allowing steam onto their consoles based off recently moves they're doing

fucking hell anon walked right into that one

Cause it's 75% cheaper to get 1 month of gamepass, and has no replay value outside of speed runners maybe.

Ultra Nightmare isn’t replay value?

why are there so many characters. Who are these people. Doom games are supposed to feel lonely

For most people no.
But if it is for you, then yeah worth maybe buying I guess?

Same thing happened with Gow Ragnarok. You have a whole squad of literally whos with your supposedly invincible MC, it's stupid.

Again, this is just an idea how it should work. Microsoft had plenty of projects in the past where they completely missed the mark despite their userbase told them what to do. The top request related to game streaming for YEARS is high bitrate, Series X and 4K streaming in the INTERNAL testing circles. MS disregarded it completely. I could go on for ages.
Microsoft was incapable to make competitive hardware since 2013 without completely profiling the competitors offerings. The Series X is 30% stronger on papaer and at least as much more expensive is than the base PS5 yet it underpeforms in most games. Why do people think a general use PC hardvare will be price and performance competitive with anyone on the market? The Deck is the weakest PC handheld yet is sold like 4 million while all the others a few hundred k. Because it is the most console like with performance/hardware/pricing. The Switch 2 will be the definitive handheld not even the Deck can touch. Where does this market have place for another PC handheld with nothing to show for?
The MS Store and the Xbox App is a turd. The user experience is terrible, patches are late, games launch with missing features all the time. Publishers stop supporting games all the time there because the terrible sales and even offer Steam keys in return. No sane PC user would use it for any reason aside from Game Pass.

they do
I want this services to crash and burn btw

How could they have hired Debra Wilson and other Hollywood hacks without a story or cutscenes?

Really nice and how will that make money for MS?
No one can answer to that, not even MS. They can't strong arm Steam to give up their cut in return to appear on a competing device.

Microsoft makes more money by pushing steam than the measly 30% cut that's going extinct thanks to the epic lawsuit anyways.

because Gamepass is retarded vs Netflix. You dont need a $400 USD toybox Console for watch Netflix.

So you guys still consider Eternal is shit or Dark Age?

Eternal fags did this

no it didnt retard

Upon its release, Doom became an "overnight phenomenon".[66] It was an immediate financial success for id, making a profit within a day after release. Although the company estimated that only 1% of shareware downloaders bought the full game, this was enough to generate initial daily revenue of US$100,000, selling in one day what Wolfenstein had sold in one month.[66][67] By May 1994, Wilbur said that the game had sold over 65,000 copies, and estimated that the shareware version had been distributed over 1 million times.[68] In 1995, Wilbur estimated the first-year sales as 140,000, while in 2002 Petersen said it had sold around 200,000 copies in its first year.[69][70]

By late 1995, Doom was estimated to be installed on more computers worldwide than Microsoft's new operating system, Windows 95.[51] According to PC Data, by April 1998 Doom's shareware edition had yielded 1.36 million units sold and US$8.74 million in revenue in the United States. This led PC Data to declare it the country's 4th-best-selling computer game since 1993.[71] The Ultimate Doom sold over 780,000 units by September 1999, and all versions combined sold 3.5 million copies by the end of 1999.[72][73] In addition to sales, an estimated six million people played the shareware version by 2002; other sources estimated in 2000 that 10–20 million people played Doom within 24 months of its launch.[70][74]

thanks chatgpt, now do my homework

Shame because it's the best nudoom

looks like the Doom franchise is... doomed

pure delusion

70 dollar game in a time of economic troubles

mandatory raytracing requiring a new video card in a time of economic troubles

game looks the same as the last two despite higher requirements

typical bloated install size

physical pc version is a cardboard disc with the download code on it

drastically different from the last two

Seems like it was set up to fail.

i watch rutracker

But how? The main reason MS wanted to push Game Pass is because making games and selling them by their merit one by one is a huge risk. Windows doesn't make money on its own, that is why they fill it with ads and subs. What do they get from Steam on Xbox? IF they get Steam at all because Gaben has no reason to support a dying platform. The Xbox users are very likely to go to PC after all.

Microsoft is the biggest games publisher in the world, they make a lot of money selling games which is why they are pushing their games onto the PS5 and switch 2. Gamepass also makes a lot of money and consoles are a dead end business for Xbox due to various reasons and as well as walled gardens slowly coming to an end. Future Xbox consoles are just gonna be elaborate PCs with gaming focused windows installed on it like steam OS which would allow other stores like steam and epic game store onto it in order to avoid anti competitive lawsuits. In the end open gaming platforms like windows is going to stay and become Xbox's focus instead of closed platforms like Xbox.

Like the recent Xbox ad where they say everything is an Xbox, their plan is to push as many form factors as possible which in turn benefits them since they sell more games.

competitive hardware

Microsoft, like Nintendo, is no longer competing. The Xbox handheld is just a PC wearing a console mask. It is locked down, no Desktop Mode, no multiple spec choices, no Windows type of updates, it's going to feel like an Xbox console in every way. The updates will be handled like an Xbox, games will be optimized like they are on consoles, it'll have backwards compatibility, Microsoft Store will be fused into a console/PC store meaning it'll be handled like a console with less restrictions enticing third parties, games will have either a quality or performance modes or none at all, it will have all this while having access to third party stores. Those games won't be optimized but even with its locked specs, those games should still be playable. It being at $500 in 2027 and sold everywhere means it will be do very well while having the Xbox branding. Nothing's beating the Nintendo Switch 2 but doing well shouldn't be hard. The dockable handheld job is to act like a console as much as possible. It's all an illusion.

personally i was shocked by how visually it looks so much worse than eternal or 2016 while running 5x worse, i knew ray tracing has a big overhead but didnt expect it to be this big

dynamic lights? gone
shadow casting lights? gone
moving platforms? gone
emmisive enemy bullets that cast light? gone
high poly enemy models? gone, now they are not much denser than hl2 models with larger textures
colors on locations? gone

i know all this was removed since ray tracing causes ghosting so you cant do dynamic lighting, but fuck me, everything looks so static, boring and ugly
look at this screen, everything is the same color, everything greish brown, it looks so fucking boring

pure cope

They'll optimize the same games coming to Steam Store on the Microsoft Store thus making people want to play the best version of the game made for the next gen Xboxes.

The big open areas suck so much ass too. Just boring scenery and all it really is is just running across open spaces to reach the segmented arenas they placed around in it. Really bizarre level design.

Games with 200+ million dollar budgets need sales, not subscriptions that are split apart to pay for 100s of other games with the same budget. $20 per month is not enough to recuperate that cost.

This service is obviously a waste of money for MS, with a lot of unrealized benefits. I wonder how long they'll be able to keep going. I also wonder how favorable (or unfavorable) the deals are for the studios. Does it even allow Bethesda and Id software to get back a significant part of their development budget?

it's not even the best hexen

When everything is an Xbox then nothing is.
Countless experts questioned their Xbox and Game Pass strategy for years but gave them the benefit of the doubt as "they surely did the math". Turns out they didn't and now they crash the Xbox consoles because Games and Game Pass doesn't make (enough) money. They are forced to sell their games and hope they actually sell because the shrinking Xbox userbase and the general disinterest in PC GP doesn't make enough money.
Now we should give them the benefit of the doubt again despite they does not even restock Xbox consoles in most markets, couldn't make competitive hardware in a decade and tell everyone to get their software anywhere but Xbox. All with the pinky promise they will support the current Xbox software through some kind of PC backward compatibility despite they dropped entire platforms overnight in the past. Just like how they randomly were caught giving up the Xbox consoles one day.
They don't report any of the hard numbers. Hardware sales, software sales, Game Pass subs or profit aside from some vague revenue percentage YoY.

I'm pretty fucking sure their next gen is dead on arrival and they will can Game Pass in the next few years as well.

hope they actually sell

Xbox games have been in the top 5 best selling charts on the PS5 for every new release. They are gonna sell incredibly well on the switch 2 as well.

Fantasy Life W

What the fuck is your point? Its just a fact that a significant portion of users on PC can't run it, that's the reality of the situation. It was a bad move on MS's part. Blame the 80% instead of the messenger.

They crashed because the AAA strategy doesn't work. Games take too long to make at terrible quality and they cost too much money to make (Halo Infinite's budget was $600 million+ and 343i had over 1000 employees making that ONE game). Microsoft saw console prices were rising to the point that no one would be able to own it and that the 7th gen AAA strategy was about to collapse and jumped ship.

yeah, i hate how maps have no verticality anymore, but not only combat verticality, but also environment design verticality, there is never any focal points above or under you, always in front
and since its always in front, it will always get obscured by other parts of map, so you never have any visual focal points in your vision range

with the change to comabt seems also a change to level design came, and i think color palater is one of the biggest problem, in that screenshot i posted there is amech on the left side ... but its brown too, why? why wouldnt it be green like the other mechs we saw? i dont get it, hell in 2016 was so colorful, its so bad now

like Nintendo

Nintendo has something people want. MS has nothing. Why would anyone buy a locked down MS PC. No one can answer to that. The moment MS builds a PC they lose the price advantage of the consoles AND the guarantee of running every game for a generation. If MS doesn't put enough ram in the system (like they did with the Series S) then their perbuilt won't play games in a few years. The only market where that is somewhat acceptable is the portable where Nintendo is even more of a giant than Sony in the home console market. Who would buy an Xbox PC when no one buys an XBox console now? Half of the Xbox console users are on Series S Game Pass only. Any kind of decent PC build - even if MS gets some kind of deal despite they won't get the same cut they get on console - will cost TWICE as much as the next Playstation 6. When the Switch 2 costs $450 and maybe $500 by then, the $500 Xbox is completely and utterly delusional.

Xbox games are dominating Ps sales charts kek… NO GAMES

I'll take cute and cool girls doing cute and cool things.
Cool guys doing cool things is also acceptable.

Watch that nu-zero punctuation on it

Yahtzee calls the game a mid-life crisis for Doom

That pretty much nailed it, the complete lack of self-awareness and fun that started with Doom Eternal has killed any interest I had in this franchise.

Yup! I main my series X and I buy games & use gamepass. Never understood the issue lol. Not my fault PS+ is trash

kys for knowing this

most people played it on gamepass

Are niggers and retards making these hate posts?

Take it easy there sperg.

because capeshit

I mean to be real it doesn't look worth 60-70 for a one time playthrough. Also into the movement is overly chaotic to the point where I actually get motion sickness, and no other game really does that. Maybe the motion blur on top of strafing and all the muted colors mixed with neon items idk I prefer old-school doom with DOOMGUY over this weird convoluted doom slayer shit.

Awesome, so where are the sales numbers? Nowhere. Because if they reported sales it would turn out these huge games are barely making even or even lose money. All they do is enjoy the limbo period when their current Xbox userbase doesn't leave them this late into the gen (but they won't get their next hardware) and a bunch of PS users are interested in the few big titles they have. I don't even begin on preteding if they didn't crash the Activision IPs they are doing good or how much in the red they are in due to the merger. That is why Satya forced Phil to kill Xbox. All their current profits are peanuts compared to the billions they blew on Activision.

Doom flopped, game pass is doing alright

that makes no sense. if people are playing games (going by Doom numbers that is the case) on gamepass, it means it's doing well.

True. 2016 successfully merged the classic doom with modern elements. Eternal made it apparent this success was an accident.

I want Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
I like that game it was good

Why would anyone buy a locked down MS PC

Because it's essentially a console. It's made to get Xbox One S, Xbox Series S, and casual players on board to get it, people who just want to turn it on and start playing without the Windows PC getting in the way. It having access to third party storefronts in the Microsoft Store is something for PC players that want a more open handheld but with none of the complexities of your average PC handheld. It's also for people who don't want to spend $500+ on gaming handhelds and set-top boxes. The last thing is your Xbox library and games that the Switch 2 isn't strong enough to play serving as the high-end device and next gen entry point. It'll also have about the same amount of RAM as the Switch 2 and a little more memory bandwidth than the Series S.

there has never been a thread worth reading that uses the word flopped

It's more so the fact who the fuck are these people? Like not earthlings. These crusader fuckers are stupid af, who cares about a bunch of random alt dimension niggas, this is what I mean when I say DOOMGUY is cooler then doomslayer. Also don't get me started on mick Gordon's fucking terrible proto grinding mechanical fuck noise they call music.

But they do get money on gamepass sub per month

Flopfags are always desprate for ever new game to be seen as a flop. Then once they can't deny that new game didn't fail they'll move on to "who cares about sales lol"

They did it. They killed the series.

They did that in 2016

Its genuinely surprising how badly it performed. It's apparent "badness" pre-release was mostly confined to contrarian-dominated locales like Anon Babble, and its IP should've definitely carried it to high player counts, even if the game was actually bad.
My only guess is that it must've been the Hardware-side of things. Steam outright warning the average consumer that they probably couldn't play this game with their decades old hardware, perhaps?

Microsoft made the Series X delibereately more expensive and weaker than the PS5

Microsoft deliberately released their console with zero games

Microsoft deliberately made Halo Infinite bloated and shit

Microsoft deliberately released 30fps shit games that PS4 games from the fraction of the budget put to shame to this day

Please, don't pretend this was deliberate. Phil Spencer had a retarded plan and employed similar retards. Satya had enough of his shit and took away his toys. Microsoft handled the entire Xbox division like retards, like many other platforms they had from Zune to GFWL to Mixer. Now their newest retarded idea is to take over the PC side when their offerings are not competitive in any way with anyone, especially on Steam. Excuse me but PEOPLE RATHER BUY GAMES ON STEAM THAN PLAY THEM ON GAME PASS.

But now their newest great plan will succeed for sure.

Nigga why do you care?! Unless you’re an investor

gamepass makes 30% of xbox revenue now
its very successful, and despite what people think m$ dosnt care if someone buys the game or gets on gamepass, they still get money and hooking people on their ecosystem is very important
there is a reason they put newest games on it now, they know it works

they won't. I subbed once for a month to play halo infinite's campaign and I haven't subbed ever since but I've bought several full priced games on steam in that timespan. This model isn't sustainable.

most people buy series s over series x too, microsoft now wants to tap into handheld market and their model is just a rog ally with the xbox skin lmao. phil spencer wtf are you doing?

This is what killed this game for me, yea it would have been cool if DOOMGUY fought Cthulhu, but all this doomslayer, crusader, alternate universe war, that DOOMGUY just gets put into, each new doom story has gotten progressively more and more convoluted and stupid and that's really what killed the game, trying to turn it into some cinematic universe, cinematic dogshite more like it, don't get me started on the nu music, motion blur, bland colored world with neon items, shit looks bad.

So take it up with the companies that push for there game to be on gamepass. Do you think microsoft just picks and chooses at random?

Well, I never denied that, I even called Philly boy out earlier in the thread .
I made that statement because Sony and AAA third parties are still following it and they will face a reckoning from that decision.

good, fuck nuDoom slop

That's just the test bed. Real handheld will be in 2027 and it will resemble the Nintendo Switch 2. It's the Xbox Series S successor.

Xbox lost 25 million users from the 360 to the One. They seem to lose the same amount with the Series EXCEPT half of their current users are poorfags on Series S. They just raised the price of their current consoles. Anything they will release will NOT be price competitive in any way. A locked Xbox PC has all the disadvantages of a PC and none of the advantages of a console. It will be outdated in a year, expensive and playing on it will not be just turning it on like the Switch 2 or PS6.
Where does this insanity comes from it will be cheap when their current high end console is $600. What you talking is about is called the Steam Deck and the second will wipe the floor with any kind of Xbox handheld they can whip up.

I guess you don't want more longevity from your graphics card. That's my bad, sorry for bringing it up.

I'm interested in the reasoning because all people say is some imaginary tale of a supposedly cheap and strong Xbox hardware that somehow sells yet they can't tell me why would this be the case.

It's funny watching people run around over why this flopped when as someone who pays a decent amount of attention to vidya I didn't even know this was coming out.

I'm not interested in the new Doom because it's not like the actual Doom and I didn't like Doom 3, Doom 2016, or Doom Eternal.
Talk to me when they release a new idTech1 game with Romero as creative director.
Daikatana was fucking robbed.

It will cost less due to

having locked specs meaning the same choice you get on an Xbox Series S

no access to Windows unless that part is handled similarly to how it was handled on the Series S, debug mode if that still exists

just Microsoft gaming stuff, if it's not on the Microsoft Store, then the consoles won't be able to access it

custom AMD APU

sold in multiple retailers physical and online internationally

optimization only for games on the Microsoft Store, nowhere else

not going crazy on specs in the dockable handheld, remember, it's a Series S successor, nothing more

offsetting the price with the very expensive home console, GamePass, first party game sales, controller sales, multiplat sales

This alone fixes the pricing problem since you're not getting full access to Windows.

Xbots are mostly Mexican preteens that don't understand the ramifications of de-incentivizing Xbox-specific optimizations, and essentially pissing away their biggest revenue stream (Xbox marketplace) by allowing competing storefronts on their "console".

seeThey're not dropping optimization, they just won't optimize third party store games which are stuck with the locked specs.

I want cute girls I can self-insert as

Romero is the original "accidentally made a good game" anon.

normies are like trannies and third worlders, they don't know what they want because they were never gamers to begin with. Just retards that shitted up the space because it was popular, nothing more.

I heard Doom is doing the same bullshit that MH is trying to do with "making a cinematic plot full of annoying unskipable cutscenes", it's true? BTW, MH Wilds sold well (in the west) but nobody cared about the plot.

I said de-incentivize. Will devs bother to further optimize for a console that is already compatible with their game? Or will they just decide that 900p/30fps is "good enough"?

I used to think gamepass was a meme but damn they're pulling bigger numbers than anywhere else recently

Yes, it'll very console like and Microsoft's already been visiting many third party studios and publishers about their next gen. It's essentially a console and will be treated as such with the Microsoft Store being reworked for PC to be more console-like but a little more lenient because of Win32 which should mean more games than they ever had given the Xbox's strict policies which prevented many games from coming over.

The more I play, the less I like it. This level was just abysmal. And holy fuck there are so many tutorials

There is almost three hours of cutscenes in a 15 hour game that is charging 70 dollars. They even managed to shoehorn Debra Wilson into it. It's like they wanted the game to fail and made it out of spite for 2016 and Eternal.

as someone that felt the same as you, it gets better. First hell level is the start of the game picking up, second half of the game is unironically way better than the first.

I lost interest in this rebooted version because they tried way too hard to make it epic and cinematic with super deep lore. It turned into cringe. Did 1 playtrough of the first one and never touched it again.

It is a meme. Microsoft selling two good games would be almost just as much money as a full year's subscription. If they got you to buy three games, it'd be more profitable. The fact that publishers and developers have so little faith in their games is startling. Undercutting your own seventy dollar, flagship title is just bizarre.

it also has least amount of plot and cineatics
huge is fucking retarded, his attempts to turn doom into marvel are the worst things about this game

Keeping those 34 million gamepass users is much more valuable. If xbox suddenly said they'd stop doing day 1 gamepass releases I would cancel my subscription and move to ps5

how exactly does Game Pass generate any money at all? It seems to me like it would be a net loss overall but it's been going for years so I guess not?

Based high iq chad

They keep redistributing games under a single fee, keeping the money moving. In a circle.
You mean high chromosome.

if most people are like me right now I've completely stopped all spending on on videogames until all the woke retards have been fired and the games get cheaper

That'd be the exceedingly optimistic prediction
I'd go with the ~800k figure

No, MS cut them because they wanted to start a new project which would have cost money.

20 years of more Doom WAD and doom eternal mods

Cant be too bad

if the customer doesn't have RTX cards then don't sell games that require them
blaming the customer for not having the tech for your product won't retroactively make them buy it