Casually bypasses your "anti-cheat" rootkit

casually bypasses your "anti-cheat" rootkit

based, but i was thinking of using an external computer that has hdmi input to run computer vision on the game and highlight enemies before going to my monitor. seems more undetectable than these things since it's just video output and nothing else

Some cheaters already do that
There's a even a screen sold with integrated League of Legends opponent location prediction iirc

i dun gedid

back in the day we used action replay
youtube.com/watch?v=ib1-yDFvtwI

Imagine playing multiplayer shooters

Surely rootkit would be able to detect a suspicious pcie device.

the pcie is in another machine. the rootkit cant detect other machines.

Not with a custom firmware
No, it is in the main machine

the future is server side AI cheating detection algorithms anyway

be good at the game

ai decides you are cheating

ai hallucinates and decides you are cheating evem if you are bad

Great idea. Also AI cheats trained on AI detection will bypass that anyway.

defeated by rand()

The future will be having to rent a PC at a monitored room to be able to play competitive games.

have fun cheating in online games with your cat and mouse shit, I quit playing counterstrike and league of legends a long time ago

hardware can't be detected

lmao

but but VAC

lmao

but but VAC has "AI" cheater detection now

lmao

*stream
that's why Steam is called Steam. It's short for STREAM FUTURE.

Physically impossible, nature itself denies your streamed future.

Gabe wills it.
And you will obey.

he thinks publishers give a shit about his qol feature

We talked about it before. Cheaters will just bribe whoever is monitoring

If any human could tell you are cheating by looking, an AI would too, and then some. I doubt you could really beat even a good algorithm and still get a big win rate improvement too

the future is an AI looking at your hands and your screen to check if it matches what you clicked and what you should be seeing

so the only way is brain implants.
And steamies will comply.

I used to have a gameshark cd for PS1 and PS2 but it made memory cards corrupted

more like looking at your mouse movements, and detecting you zeroing in on people behind walls constantly, or mouse instantly jumping to peoples heads, it's not that complicated

do you understand how the world works? let me give you an example

company produces poop

no one buys poop

company implodes

well yeah thats where your hands should be

Really shouldn't be necessary, server side telemetry should be all they need

The future will be bribing the staff there to allow you to cheat.

more like

I want every human being on earth to not buy (poop)

some people buy (poop)

so I give up, blame the consumers, and can't think of any other way to protest

are you retarded? they don't need to see your hand to know your mouse movements

using too many cheats at once especially on third party memory cards had a chance to corrupt them

company doesn't exist

state hands you poop

state takes your money regardless of desire to have poop

It's like you think the current arrangement (which is already pretty shit) can't somehow change for the worse.

IMPLEMENTED by rand().

and if ()

the closest thing I've played to competitive online multiplayer gaming in the last decade is osrs castle wars :/

that's not how the world works.
this is how it works.

Valve produces poop

PCiggers are angary but comply

20 years later

no, I don't care that I don't own games

you don't own games either

I love to update

I love early access

I love loot boxes

I love battle passes

company gets 30% on everything, way more than a supermarket, despite doing nothing in return

HOW DARE YOU
VALVE SAVED PC GAMING

Think about it, without Valve there would be:
- microtransactions
- paid mods
- loot boxes
- battle passes
- unfinished broken games everywhere

I think any thunderbolt dongle can just write to RAM without CPU

Behold our newest kernel-level spyware

Sir, how will {spyware} exactly stop cheaters in our game?

Cheaters?

kernel level ac is... le bad!

allows hardware level direct memory access instead

why are cheaters like this?

ok so if you cannot control what others buy, do you just give up?
Anon Babble's only valid form of protest was to "never buy apple products"
that didn't seem to work
so they just gave up?

ok so

I don't comply with Steam. I speak out against Steam.
I don't care if you think game subscriptions are the best-thing-evar

I will laugh harder as soon as Valve introduces le monthly subscription fee (you will defend it)
I will laugh even harder as soon as Valve introduces game streaming (you will defend it)

You already own nothing, because you are retarded sheeple.

don't buy Apple products
retards buy Apple products, get fucked hard

Not of my concern

B-but my B-BASED HECKERINO VANGUARD PROTECT MY GAMES ON VALORANT!

laughing already because Steamies will get locked out of Windows 10, will get locked out of Windows 11, will get locked out of the Steam Deck lmao

and they will defend it

what are you? poor?

just buy a Deck 2

I used to believe I didn't care about anything and was mentallt untouchable until they turned valkyrie profile into a pachinko machine

Snoyim still coping that PC players got more changed in a weekend than Snoyim have in decades kek

account is le bad

unless it's a Steam account

You're steaming

I never understood why people cheat at games. sure you get a cool shiny rank but you didn't actually earn it.

both are cancer and a forced botnet

got a custom firmware and it seems it's still detected by valorant anticheat

Implying you even need this.
I cheated in Valorant for months until I got bored with a simple color detection aimbot and triggerbot.

IOMMU

Enjoy your paperweight.

because they've been told their entire lives that achieving something in a videogame is pointless, playing videogames is for losers, you should never be proud of getting a rank in a children's toy
and therefore there is no moral reason not to cheat to get something that is worthless

takes tons of skill to stay undetected.
pro-level: cheat at a tournament

What'll probably end up happening in the end is a company implementing that kind of system behind the scenes along with a peer review system in leau of paying employees to verify whether or not the AI is correct. Something like this

Something like Call of Duty or Overwatch 6(3)(1.5) uses AI to detect cheating

Players can watch replays of the cheaters (anonymously tagged to avoid targeted attacks)

They vote Yes if it looks like they're cheating, or No if they aren't

They're compensated with a pittance of in-game currency to spend on microtransactions

The studios basically get free labor

way more than a supermarket

anon are you retarded?
supermarkets have 200-300% markups

play too god

this guy cheated for sures

banned

200-300%

LMAO

quora.com/What-is-the-average-percentage-margin-that-supermarkets-have-on-their-products
Conventional grocery store chains have an average profit margin of about 2.2%. This means that for every dollar of sale a grocery store has, they make 2.2 cents of profit. The main reason grocery profit margins are so low, especially for conventional grocery stores is competition.

Generally, profit margins are between 1 percent and 3 percent, depending on the item. It's not unusual for a grocery store to make just a few cents per item. Grocery stores make money on volume.

200-300%

LMAO

Isn't that literally how it's done in Counter-Strike (GO/2)?

but but Gay Ben said

IT MUST BE THE BANDWIDTH THEN

support.cloudways.com/en/articles/5119679-bandwidth-charges-of-infrastructure-providers
DigitalOcean provides enough bandwidth in each server plan. However, if your server’s bandwidth limit has been exceeded, you will be charged $0.02 per additional GB of bandwidth.

but but but but

GREED

quora

if you think Valve would hire people, you are out of your mind.
VAC is bullshit anyway.
Valve doesn't actually care about cheaters.

new Unreal/Unity online pvp game comes out

early access/alpha/beta/public testing ect.

commercial cheats already available a week after public access

no regional blocks

I honestly feel its pointless playing pvp games if you live in the west, Unreal/Unity cheating is compromised beyond belief, devs don't play their own games and therefore don't give a fuck, there is no financial pressure to even attempt solving it and smaller devs/indie devs don't even have the resources to deal with it. And devs refuse to implement even something basic as partial/optional regional blocks, they're forcing you to eat shit and insult you if you complain.

All you do is play with cheaters until a ban wave comes and then they update their cheats and the cycle begins again.

You got fucked over then, or you used some public shit instead of getting a unique one

Gamers buy poop all the time. They love that shit.

All of those things would exist regardless of whether or not Valve was dominant. Only instead of Steam you would be dealing with Games for Windows Live.

region locking servers is racist.
how dare you ensure they have a good game experience by connecting to the server with the lowest ping.

the cycle begins again.

there's a game actually named the cycle that got DESTROYED by chinese cheaters.

thegrocerystoreguy.com/do-grocery-stores-use-markup-or-margin/
As a general rule, conventional grocery stores have a profit margin of about 2.2%.

but but that's just a website of leader of Whole Foods markets

You get sucked dry by the Valve Jew

Literally a skill issue on both sides. The solution is simply to never gloat when you win and never show signs of giving a shit when you lose. Cheaters got nothing to feed off then.

takes bribe

bans you for cheating anyway

Cry about it LOL

it doesn't matter that Valve introduced them to the west and mainstreamed them

if those Jews wouldn't have done it, some other Jew would have done it

some cheaters cheat to win, not to troll people.

Pc killed gaming. You guys only pay for games when they’re $1.00 and then pirate the rest. You can directly link the decline of AAA gaming to the success of steam. Gamers aren’t contributing back to the system as much as they used to so devs are forced to rely on agenda driven corpos to payroll their games. That leads to worse games.

TL;DR: You killed gaming, u fuck.

I cheat to cheat
I get a high out of doing something I'm not allowed to and getting away with it

Imagine going through this much effort just because you're bad at video games.

Nah, you will subscribe to a machine streaming you videogames with terrible input lag and you will play it with a notebook that somehow costs you an arm and a leg and actually has hardware worth $10 inside of it that is unserviceable if anything goes wrong with it forcing you to completely scrap it and buy a new one.
All this because MUH CHEATERS!!!! MUH BING BING WAHOO VIDEOGAMES!!!

Enjoy owning nothing, niggercattle

None of those things were introduced to the west by Valve. And yes it doesn't matter because companies were already doing or going to do them anyway. The idea that Valve invented Jewery in gaming is asinine.

No, Valve did.

you only pay a very low amount

for digital downloads, correct. because they are worth nothing. even worse DRM infected downloads (Steam), those are cancer.

as soon as Valve introduces le monthly subscription fee

Two more weeks! Try holding your breath, that'll make it happen faster.

they would never do paid mod-ACK

they would never allow companies to screw me over-ACK

they would never introduce loot box-ACK

but they will never ever charge me a monthly fee

lmao, you are hilarious Steamie
they will use the energy crisis as a reason why they just have to, and you will defend them saying "they saved PC gayming, so it's only fair and they charge less than Snoy"

That's the magic of it. You don't hire anyone. You just get the AI to do the initial checks, then the community does the work for free (as is characteristic of many Valve intellectual properties)

schizo out all you want but if you thought helldivers 2 got people pissed anybody with an ounce of common sense would know that would be corporate suicide, put down the crack pipe

the community does the work for free

oh right, that sounds like Valve hahaha

see here the glorious Steam Deck

"YES, GABE, I WILL PAY $600 for this shit"

"WELL THIS DOESN'T WORK AND THIS DOESN'T WORK AND THEY AREN'T SURE IF THESE GAMES WORK, SO LET ME TEST IT ALL AND REPORT BACK"

This. The masses do not recognize file-sharing and downloading as stealing because there’s a copy left behind for you — it’s not that copy that’s the problem, it’s the other one that someone received but didn’t pay for. The problem is that nobody will pay you for the 10,000 hours you put in to create what you created. I can only imagine the frustration of all that work, and having no one value it enough to pay you for it.

yes, it's fascinating that Steamies cry about Snoy, but let themselves get buttfucked by Valve doing the exact same thing

Battered house wife syndrome

but but he raped me

no, this rape here is fine, he doesn't meant it like that

How much does valve make from that 30% when you include server costs, customer support and refunds etc?
Are there any long term liabilities involved from those purchases?
Etc.

dk I looked several firmware/hardware providers and they all seemed to have problems with valorant anticheat, proably because it is kernel level anticheat

my firmware even looks like a normal pci-e device, not a DMA

675682112
alright, I can't take you seriously

i hope other platforms become as bad as mine

have you consider just switching platform instead?

customer support

lmao
reminder: GOG takes less AND they test all the games they are selling

Steam is way worse than any console atm.

Actually that would be great, make the hurdle for functioning anti cheat so huge for those games that most won't even bother, while the goyest and sloppiest games do these completely retarded measures to fight against cheaters in their srs bsns games.
Competitive fags are cancer and deserve everything they get for destroying gaming.

call us when Playstation or Nintendo are digital subscription only, you know like Steam.

competitive

just play for "fun" against cheaters and will no scope you from 500 km away

wow, so much fun.

markup and profit margin are the same thing

Stop talking as soon as you can you fucking clown.

but this company's profits were X.

Nigger Steam may make a decent cut but holy shit compare their total profits to Walmart or Amazon. Gabe doesn't even register on the same scale as Bezos.

Did you even read what you're replying to?
The point was literally the opposite of paying someone...;

a company implementing that kind of system behind the scenes

in reference to a server side AI cheater detection system

along with a peer review system in leau of paying employees to verify whether or not the AI is correct

using the community to review the system instead of paying employees

Sues you because cheating isn't illegal but scamming is

votekick

Wow that was hard

anon that's literally how it works in cs, they have a thing called vacnet which uses machine learning to detect cheaters, which is then sent to the overwatch queue which allows players to review the footage and make a judgement call

There is no overwatch for cs2.
Remember, valve has allowed the pro cs teams to cheat for over a decade without consequence.

which is then sent to the overwatch queue which allows players to review the footage and make a judgement call

i wish, they don't allow players to review footage anymore
that system was effective so they had to shut it down, too much revenue lost from cheaters opening cases

yes, that won't get abused at all, it's only used against actual cheaters

votekick in a Battle Royale with 100 players

LOL

It's actually impressive
We're already at it not having to be server or client side; it can even parse streams or recorded gameplay
It can fingerprint just human input
So if you have ever cheated, in any capacity, in any game, ever, you can get hit and banned on more than just a hardware or account ban but an actual user ban
But devs probably prefer brown and chinese kids to hack and cheat and buy multiple software licenses / hardware

machine learning

is bullshit

trust le AI

retard

yes, le AI will detect "the user" through the magics of 1000.0000 parameters

it will work 100%

hackernoon.com/facial-recognition-tech-has-a-worryingly-high-failure-rate-in-people-of-color

675682295
alright, I can't take you seriously

zoomer doesn't know about the good old days

Very sad, many such cases
Keep playing your competitive match making only slop you cretin

You're not entitled to money anymore than others are entitled to games.

the other one that someone received but didn’t pay for

Not my problem, get a better business model bitch.

niggers doth protest to much
waldo.vision/
youtu.be/LkmIItTrQP4?si=MkvGUkfMDmi5PTz_

good old days

get vote kicked over an argument

but the cheater stays

Hey idiot, I cheated in Counter-Strike for months, nothing happened. I didn't even get kicked from servers

Nintendo and Playstation put online behind a subscription.

So if you have ever cheated, in any capacity, in any game, ever, you can get hit and banned on more than just a hardware or account ban but an actual user ban

i don't understand why you think this is a good thing
bans should be localized and appealable

Brown

yes, 1 out of 3 players are cheaters

that means Fortnite Battle Royale has 15 cheaters per game, 5 actual players and 80 bots

video closed

saving FPS games

FPS games shall die, thank you

YOU are a criminal.

not entirely correct.
Fortnite is free.
Online multiplayer is paid, that made me not buy Splatoon 2+3. Nintendo's loss.

The reason why they removed it is because it was way too easy to get access to review Overwatch footage, this resulted in cheat makers having the ability to 'corrupt' the data by giving false reports.
In the latest update they have re-added it, however it's much much more exclusive to get access to review footage.

GOG is also subsidised and has less liabilities.

it doesn't even make sense.
Fortnite has dedicated servers.
Most games are peer-to-peer, this means there are not even actual servers behind the games.
Anyway, online multiplayer dead for me, I don't care.

liabilities

What kind of?
That Valve gets sued because they are crminals?

this resulted in cheat makers having the ability to 'corrupt' the data by giving false reports

this would either imply that there are more cheat developers than legitimate players (doubt it) or they were giving overwatch access to thousands of F2P level 1 bot accounts
either scenario is retarded, just restrict overwatch to any player with prime and >100-500h playtime (depending on how exclusive you want the system to be)

So first you tried to make games less fun by cheating, and when that didn't work you started advocating for extreme anti cheat measures that also make the game less fun? Why would anyone listen to your drivel when you're the problem?

make games

Counterstrike is shit and tons of people are cheating, so I just had some fun

extreme anti cheat

you you can't look into my kernel space

that's not extreme, that's what is needed.
VAC sucks.
extreme would be to either trust le AI, or demand face scans or other bullshit

You are unironically brown aren't you?
Gaming is a white man's past time. The moment we let in swarthy people like you it was over.

white men don't cheat

hahahaha
hey retard public school is teaching you to either work hard (be an idiot) or cheat. Just don't get caught. That's the lesson of public schools.

Same people would cheat in anything

now we definitely know you're brown lmao
or a chink

the steamie is a racist
wow, so surprising
public school also teachers you to be awful and racist, and you are doing that perfectly
you get a high grade and a gold star

If ai gets decent at catching cheating they won't need to do draconian bans anymore. If it catches shit everytime people try anything they can just give a week ban and it'll be just as effective without having to rely on fear.

public school also teachers you to be awful and racist

no that was Anon Babble

you get a high grade and a gold star

thanks nigger

guess why public school doesn't do anything against bullies.
that's to break children.
no one cares if you suicide yourself.
but they cry when you shoot the fuckers.
it's all part of the system.

brownoid mad at white people again for being superior

superior at cheating

Literally what is the reason for these things existening besides being a small pp'd scumbag

Appealable? Yes.
Localized? No. Multiplayer games depend on people not cheating. Cheating ruins them. Multiplayer games are not an essential service. Ergo lower standards apply. It's not like you're being banned from grocery stores. You just can't play multiplayer games anymore. Don't like that? Shouldn't have cheated. Maybe we can talk about progressive ban periods, like 1, 3, 5 etc. years

it's fun.
ruining fun for others is even more fun.

just don't get caught :)

but whitie got caught

False positives are already a thing, though. And no, AI cheats won't bypass that because at that point, the only thing that bypasses AI detection is genuinely not being great at the game.

swarthoid cannot stand white people towering above him, so he has to cope by accusing them of cheating

Lmao, I get paid to create these devices

t. Pajeet

do you still shit on the streets?

Oh no, your precious negros will be banned from video games. How will life go on?

white people will get what they deserve.
an asskicking and their daughters fucked by me, the big daddy cock

you can't have a "universal" anticheat for all games so you're always at the mercy of the game developer to be fair and consistent in their assessments
this provides an incentive to NOT PLAY ANY GAMES, or at least stick to the same few games you've always played forever

also, it already works like this in china and korea, you have to provide an ID card and you can go to jail if you cheat
you can go there if you think this is a good idea

In the future "AI" will

is equivalent of brainlets saying in the future there will be flying cars

actually you could
digital id
ban all thieves, niggers and cheaters forever

ok klaus
the internet would be better if you weren't allowed to sign up anywhere with your real name

would you fags play 14.99$ each month to get full access to every game on Steam?

im doing market research so please answer truthful

You don't need a universal anti-cheat. You just need games that want to enforce this to have a working anti-cheat system, which many games do have already. It doesn't provide an incentive to not play games because hey, VAC bans already kinda work like this, yet people play those games fine. An anti-cheat is only a deterrent to playing a game if it fucks with your system.

Also, you are being a disingenuous faggot. I never talked about jail. If you could go to jail for cheating in a multiplayer game, then obviously we would need much stricter standards. But just being banned from playing multiplayer games? Nah. UNLESS of course you are committing fraud by entering tournaments and cheating there or streaming and pretending to be a pro when you're actually cheating - but that has nothing to do with video games as such, fraud already covers this.

You best start believing in cyberspunk dystopias...

JAWOHL WIR WERDEN HABEN DIGITAL ID
WIR WERDEN SIE ALLE IDENTIFIZIEREN

even more subscription shit

no, kys
I would literally take cancer or AIDS before I would want to use Steam

not good at game

cheats undetected

choose one

only if i get to own the games that i've played

You just need games that want to enforce this to have a working anti-cheat system

and how would you determine this?

VAC bans already kinda work like this

VAC bans don't work like this
if they did activision could ban millions of people from valve games forever for playing in hacked MW2 lobbies

Also, you are being a disingenuous faggot. I never talked about jail

you will do that when you realize this measure of yours isn't enough to deter cheaters
the authoritarian mindset always leads to the same place in the end

are you autistic? you could still buy every game you want to keep forever

Players can watch replays of the cheaters (anonymously tagged to avoid targeted attacks)

What's stopping me from just saying everyone I review is a cheater even if they aren't? Even if it takes an aggregate of reviews you are gonna get a bunch of false positives because of people like me that want to see the world burn.

I am always glad I don't play competitive games

the developer will start ignoring you after a few false reviews
valve has already thought about this more than you
youtu.be/ObhK8lUfIlc?t=1343

buy

Steam

Steam is AIDS

From Steam:

VAC bans prevent you from playing on secured servers across all of Steam.

That's the basic principle we're talking about.
You act like this is an impossibility, but we have standards almost everywhere, why not in anti-cheat software? Would make it more transparent as well if third parties needed to have a look. Banning people across games is also not any more authoritarian than banning people in the first place. Do you think it's authoritarianism to ban child molesters from working at all kindergardens if they "only" molested a child at one kindergarden? Do you think taking someone's driver's license away after repeated drunk driving offenses is authoritarian? You're acting like we're creating a dystopia here when this is a basic bitch kind of punishment for doing something wrong.

all your "wins" with cheats dont count

this is why I tell Google Captcha that there are no lamp posts, when there are.
Google will kill people and it will be hilarious

What makes you think AI doesn't already handle moderation in videogames?
They have that shit serving costumers in restaurants, why would we still be hiring monkeys to do a mod job when the robots can do it for free?

Source: quora

kekypow

try reading before replying to me, faggot

Prove that my reviews were false. If the AI already thinks there was cheating then the AI won't be able to tell me agreeing with it's false positive apart from me agreeing with it's actual positive ones. And the majority of reviews will be people saying some fag cheated regardless of people like me, just based off psychology. People automatically assume guilt of anyone accused. It's what they have been trained to do.

Kind of pathetic to cheat at online games just to feel good about yourself. Also, playing games against other dudes just seems kinda...gay.

no, rutracker is free

robots can do

they can't

i hate having support for any controller in the market

not paying twice for p2p? are you poor?

adding a non steam game and using it's controller api? why would i do that?

lol
lmao even

Used to be the case but on Intel it gets a virtualized address space to defeat that flaw in the spec

that's bad wording by valve
you don't get banned from all VAC secured games when you get a VAC ban, only from all servers in that specific game (or in some cases, all games from the same developer)
help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29

To see which games your VAC ban affects, please launch Steam and go to Steam > Settings > Account tab > select "Click here for details" under VAC Status

Cheating in one of the following Source games or a Source mod will result in a VAC ban for all games in the list below

Counter-Strike: Source

Half-Life 2: Deathmatch

Day of Defeat: Source

Team Fortress 2

the point is that one developer should never be able to control your entire online experience, just like getting a ban from Anon Babble doesn't mean i get a ban from any other site
any "trusted" authority you want to appoint will inevitably abuse their position for profit

Prove that my reviews were false

you deviate from the crowd on several occasions

And the majority of reviews will be people saying some fag cheated regardless of people like me, just based off psychology

People automatically assume guilt of anyone accused

watch the video before posting dumbass lmao
valve has already looked into this and determined that people don't falsely convict

Do you also think vending macines are ai?
or google?
fucking hell anon.

VAC bans prevent you from playing on secured servers across all of Steam.

That's the point. It bans you from secured servers, but there's still unsecured servers you're free to play at.
Meanwhile other games steal your money if you cheat, because they don't allow for unsecured or private servers. I don't even understand how that's legal in the first place.

and 100 other great jokes to tell your frie ndd!

go download and play Helldivers 2 then... oh wait..

I'm talking about the drive through shit being used on mcdonalds with chatgpt.

to be fair most VAC secured games don't have unsecured servers
this is just another case of valve having much higher ethical standards than the rest of the industry

this is just another case of valve having much higher ethical standards than the rest of the industry

holy fuck this is the most cringe reddit shit i have ever seen posted on Anon Babble, please be ironic

and therefore there is no moral reason not to cheat

Pseud cope, sane people don't cheat because you're interacting with other humans, not because of the supposed value of a rank, win or score.

you're living in the past if you don't think it's true
valve hasn't gotten any better, everyone else has gotten worse
it's become fashionable to spy on your users and ban them at the slightest suspicion so you can advertise you're "dealing with the cheating problem", even if you have a high false positive rate

If you want a real analogy and not your bad attempt at bringing pedophiles into this, then here's one

you can buy a car without restrictions

you can drive your car on your property without restrictions

if you want to drive on public roads, you need to have a drivers license

if it gets taken away for whatever reason, you can't drive on public roads anymore

you still keep your car

you can still drive it on your private property

I don't want to share the road with drunk people, so we don't let them drive there. But I don't want the government to break into their garage and steal their property because they were drunk driving.

and all games are private property
though i'm sure this guy would love to involve the government in game cheating lmao

Valve pushes linux so they're automatically a step above

Jesus this isn't about the specifics of VAC, I know that they don't ban you in ALL games across Steam. But VAC already has a mechanism where you can get banned across several games. I'm saying this is not terrible and unfair.

And no developer alone will be able to control your entire online experience - first of all, multiplayer games aren't your entire online experience. Second, with standards established, it wouldn't just be one developer alone, it would be multiple. And I said that I wasn't against appeals. If you live in a non-shit country, such as an EU member country, you would be able to appeal such decisions and get help from the state, as it should be. I'm not just saying "yeah, give devs all the power to limit who can play online and that's it". Other measures/organizations would of course need to be established to control this, but you're saying any form of cross-game anti-cheat is authoritarianism and we'll start throwing people in jail sooner or later. Just because authorities aren't perfect and often prone to abuse without the necessary checks and balances (and even with them) doesn't mean we shouldn't have any. That's liberterian kool aid I will not engage with.

Meanwhile other games steal your money if you cheat, because they don't allow for unsecured or private servers. I don't even understand how that's legal in the first place.

Fuck off, seriously. That's like going into a bar, buying a beer, shitting on the floor, and then complaining that you didn't get to drink your beer when you were thrown out and that the bar should offer a shitting space for people.

abuse their position for profit

30%

Don't dead-account me

And now try thinking about whether multiplayer games correspond to your own private property or are more similar to a PUBLIC SPACE WITH OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE.

it's become fashionable to spy on your users

Valve has been doing that since 2003

and ban them

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Valve literally bans you when you mention masks

No one is forcing you to sell your game on steam

a license will stop drunk people from driving

you are one of these people that wants licenses for guns, ignoring that Mexico is doing exactly that, and therefore only criminals (government + other criminals) have guns

push mentally ill shit that doesn't work

abuse community once again and make them test shit (actually your job)

horray Valve?

I know that they don't ban you in ALL games across Steam

no you didn't, you were pretending valve bans you from online gaming if you use a FOV changer in call of duty

But VAC already has a mechanism where you can get banned across several games

only games from the same developer, which is reasonable and fair
they can tell me to fuck off from their games but they can't do anything else because i'm the owner of my account, not them

you would be able to appeal such decisions and get help from the state

hahahahahahahaha
dude we're talking about video games

we'll start throwing people in jail sooner or later

i didn't say that would happen, i'm saying you want it to happen
exactly

Valve has been doing that since 2003

exactly
it doesn't change the fact that everyone else is much worse, no one would have accepted kernel-level AC in 2003

monopoly

no one is forcing anyone hehehehehehee

why did this thread turn gay? i want to talk about cheating, not about console wars and seething about steamies

kernel level anti cheat is le bad

no.
the actual problem are PCs.
PCs are literally for niggers that steal and rape and cheat.

but not just one if! hundreds in sequence.

get incorrectly detected as cheater because you used FRAPS because some pajeet at Valve coded VAC

all games get removed

money stolen

that's fair

things that have never happened

They used to be good but that was before the xbox 360

and all games are private property

Exactly, MY property. I bought a game, I can do whatever I want with it. You don't have to let me on your company servers, but you can't brick my game either.

VAC is purrfect and never incorrectl bans anyone

esports.net/news/counter-strike/false-cs2-player-vac-bans/
fuck Valve and fuck their pajeet coders

VAC used to be trustworthy in valve games
i don't know if that's still true considering people got banned for installing the wrong AMD driver

Okay, I once used some free paste in csgo until I got bored
Never got banned, which convinced me that paying for cheats is a scam

That's like going into a bar, buying a beer, shitting on the floor, and then complaining that you didn't get to drink your beer when you were thrown out and that the bar should offer a shitting space for people.

They throw you out of the bar, they don't take away your beer that you paid for. You can drink it somewhere else.

people got VAC banned for using ReShade you dumb nigger

no, VAC has always been shit.
[x] didn't detect cheaters
[x] banned legit players
it's shit software

It probably is, combined with user input like the overwatch system Valve removed from CS, for some reason.

Okay, so you're not arguing the point, you're arguing about me and my intentions. Fuck off then. I don't want to throw cheaters in jail unless they commit actual fraud and take away people's money. And even then, there's fines and parole first.

Now I know you've never been to a bar where people get thrown out.

why did this thread turn gay? i want to talk about cheating

Aimbot sisters...our response?!

order meal and drink at bar

stomach goes growl

you poop

bar owner takes his shotgun, takes away the meal that you paid for and the drink that you paid for, and executes you Hong-Kong style

that's fair

That's actually not what ever happens, and the bar owner would get sued into the ground

t. never been outside

order food and drink

bar owner suddenly demands that you have to own an iPhone 10

you say no, I only have an iPhone 7

bar owner throws you out, also steals your iPhone 7

but wait, that's okay, because he says you can get the iPhone 7 back if you comply and get an iPhone 10

and he says it's kinda free, except that you need to pay for new hardware

Just because they do it doesn't mean it's legal. If you throw out a guy who paid for his beer without it and he was a lawyer he'd sue you out of principle and win.

Okay, so you're not arguing the point, you're arguing about me and my intentions

i'm arguing about both because only a person like you would come up with the virtual equivalent of the stasi
this thread has turned into retarded food analogies anyway so i don't think there's much more to be said, i think it's a horrible idea and i told you why, you think it's a good idea and you told me why
i'll agree to disagree but the scary thing is there are real people in the game industry who think like you (now hiring at riot games)

the virtual equivalent of the stasi

Retard.

I only use legit AA and radar...

Cheaters should get their fingers cut off.
it's that simple.
And after 5 fingers, cut off their arms too.

That will stop cheating and thievery.

thanks, you too
you are cute and valid

Theres plenty of other stores to sell your game on,

yes, you can also rent 50 miles outside of my city

hehe

the only thing ive heard that gets you detected with these are the drivers you use
faceit banned users for pcie stuff like this 5-6y ago already

how does that work? or are you making shit up?

Nope, its not like that but nice try.

cheaters are subhuman

check "DMA card"

im playing this game for about 20y now and id guess maybe 5% of the playerbase cheats
these people have "communities" for their cheats and rally against valve and their ai-based anticheat, its tens of thousands of cheaters that fed the system false data

im playing this game for about 20y now and id guess maybe 5% of the playerbase cheats

and how many of these people paid for prime? assuming you still have the same ratio in the overwatch-eligible playerbase (and really you should have less), there should be no false verdicts
it's more likely that valve has no bot protection and got raped by some automated system a cheat developer set up, now instead of fixing that they're putting all their faith in AI

Probably something like this

pcie card that can read out your memory connected to this second, special monitor

hdmi capture card also connected to it

regular and second monitor both show the game

second monitor uses the read out of the memory to give you visual cheats

this all happens outside of the operating system so the game can't directly detect this

you can go to another banki, but the only bank not controlled by us is in North Korea

hehe

and how many of these people paid for prime?

a lot
some have literally hundreds of accounts and pay hundreds for dollars each month for a cheat that works with faceit/esea
btw valve knows which accounts are yours, they do some sort of fingerprinting

imagine buying a second computer instead of just playing the game normally, you must be such a dickless faggot that got bullied as a kid

the best thing to do is to shadowban cheaters and queue them against other cheaters, then do banwaves so these niggers buy licenses and then keep them in the same shadow realm

some have literally hundreds of accounts and pay hundreds for dollars each month for a cheat that works with faceit/esea

sure, you can have cheaters trying their hardest to game the system but they should still be outnumbered by legitimate players, right? identify the "bad guys", ignore their verdicts but don't tell them and let them waste their time trying to save their cheating buddies
i don't believe valve was outsmarted by thousands of manual verdicts, it must have been some sort of botnet that was set up by a cheat developer

btw valve knows which accounts are yours, they do some sort of fingerprinting

of course they do lmao

t. kid shoved in lockers

wanna talk about what happened at home, buddy?

They are using AI to predict the structure of Proteins just based on the DNA sequence. You are out of your mind if you think that's less complex than detecting if some nigga can see through walls or not

you just know this faggot gets no pussy, has no friends and is probably depressed. just do the world a favor already and do it.

it still impacts the data and puts results into question, valve doesnt want to ban people without being absolutely certain they cheated
you were given very obvious cases of spinbots and then more and more "legit-cheating" players to weed out the obvious retards and people that voted "not cheating" on everything

its still a mystery to me how valve cant discern a spinbotting piece of shit over a legit player spinning his mouse on high dpi, it makes no fucking sense
if theyre airstrafing perfectly in a straight line to gain speed, only stopping 1ms to shoot and otherwise spin its 100% a cheater
a human can tell in 1s that its a cheater but valves shitty ai cant and that makes me question ai as a whole

Cheating in multiplayer video games is so pathetic I would feel sorry for you if I didn't think you should kill yourself

its still a mystery to me how valve cant discern a spinbotting piece of shit over a legit player spinning his mouse on high dpi, it makes no fucking sense

VACNET was activated again recently and it seems to be doing better this time
the most logical explanation is that the AI had no data on legit players spinning their mouse repeatedly because no one does that lmao
youtube.com/watch?v=zo-3H7t4yZ0

Shilling for rito shit AC lmao.
There are tons of cheaters in Valo. Only you have gaslighted yourself into believing that they are smurfs or have good headphones. I know because I cheated for 2 weeks, I walled like crazy and the morons would say OMG you have GOD senses LOL

I know because I cheated for 2 weeks

sure you did. and never did before and after. right?

It's amusing how seriously some people take videogames.

I got bored of your shit game and its lame powers. I'm just saying, even when i pulled the most blantant shit ever and they ask me how i knew it i just had to say: Gamesense bro i'm smurfing and they would suck me off.

PS: It's so funny because there's not even replays so you can get away with retarded shit on the early stages of the round before someone dies and nobody can't even go back and check it LOL

they're called zoomers and they're the most profitable section of the playerbase right now
get used to it because the next generations are going to be even worse

yes, shoot the bullies and stacies.

your shit

kek
ive never even played this shit. but all cheaters are the same, and all of them are subhumans.
never change buddy ( you wont. cheaters never change and always lie)

Still not understanding how steamm is a mmonopoly when theres multiple storefront not including devs selling their games straight from their own website

it's part of the game.
git gud

Microsoft Windows wasn't and isn't a monopoly, because there is BeOS and DR-DOS

because something simply requiring 10% more effort is considered opression nowadays.

Correct, thats why Microsoft funds the development of Linux. Thats why Google funds Mozilla.

Correct

hahaha

that's why they were successfully sued, because I don't think that's a monopoly

convenience of downloading and patches
customer support (refunds/sales etc)
the whole social media aspect and integration of it in games

Valorant is banning DMA cheats pretty well. If you run into a cheater with an expensive firmware every 100 games or so I'd say the anti cheat is working above average.

Anon stop buying apps in the shape of hardware.

So can I create my own ISP, provide 1 kb/s then sue when everyone chooses the better services claiming they're a monopoly?

nope, youre just shit
git gud (you never will)

convenience of unfinished broken games

convenience would be properly tested games

customer support

LMAO

social me

LMAO

Never understood why devs don't just add invisible bots and spoof data to games that would get picked up by the cheat software when it reads your computers memory and then ban whoever reacts to them.

no, it's part of the game
just like it's part of the game to abuse glitches
"cheating" simply goes deeper

for example in Fortnite the camera is to your right. So you can peek from the left, and you can see the target, the target can't see you and you can shoot the target easily.
Is that cheating?
You would say no, but it's an unfair advantage, basically glitching.

cheating is done, solved by ai. cheaters now have to continually downgrade their scripts to try and 'blend in' resulting in them being much less damaging to the overall game.

cope
youre bad, you will always stay bad, and you will always be lying to yourself

TOTAL MULTIPLAYER DEATH

paying money to cheat

paying money to NOT play

I don't get it. Cheating in tournaments where money is on the line, I can understand. Cheating because you otherwise would not be able to defeat some 13 year old from Brazil is kinda cringe.

trust le AI

You do not even understand how your "AI" actually operates.
Guess what you are doing by solving captchas?
You are "training" the "AI".
but after all these years, it still doesn't work, because it's nonsense.

So for your "anti-cheat" "AI" to "work", you would have to "train" it, and somehow believe that what the "AI" will spit out later will be accurate.

News-flash: they trained "AI" to diagnose tuberculosis and the "AI" was even better in it than doctors. Now you will say - we have to figure out how that worked. Not only is it a pain to even figure out this shit, because "AI" is simply tons of parameters that get adjusted and you have no real idea why "AI" said this orthat.

But coming back to the example of the diagnosis.
Doctors actually figured out what the cause was for higher amount of tuberculosis diagnoses.
Guess what?
The age of the machine that did the radiology photos was relevant. The older the machine was, the more the "AI" spit out tuberculosis diagnoses.

aka it was pure bullshit

bad

cheating for months or years without getting detected

very good at the game

and thus inb4

unusual PC hardware - AI: this is totally a cheater

unusual playstyle - AI: this is totally a cheater

wins too many matches - AI: this is totally a cheater

Remember with AI you are fine when you are a dumb sheeple, as soon as you aren't there will be problems.

I cheat

I am very good at the game

ahahahhahahahahhahahaha
ahahahah
man this is so sad. like just admit you wanna feel good and stomp people. Its okay to enjoy, anon, its not downright evil like torturing animals or such. but this lying to yourself is really bad and will hinder many progressions you make in your life

it's true.
if you are detected all the time, you are bad at the game.
You see cheaters don't see games like you do.
and cheaters in fact see more clearly.

You would be going

no, this is just a glitch and it's fine to use it

but this bug, this bug, you are not allowed to use this bug, that's cheating

you are speaking nonsense, like the speedrun morons going "this is glitchLESS", "let me JUST walk through the wall here"

is a keyboard macro cheating?
is a better PC with higher frames per second cheating?
In Fortnite it's clearly a massive advantage to run at more frames per second.
What about a 3 button mouse?
Or a 10 button mouse?
Is that cheating or just "better equipment lol"

Going actually competitive would mean that either PC players aren't allowed to play with console players. On top of that PC players should get split up by hardware specs.
But that doesn't happen.

So why is an aimbot a problem?

if you pay to pirate you are not a pirate, you're just a fucking homo

is a better PC with higher frames per second cheating?

In Fortnite it's clearly a massive advantage to run at more frames per second.

Speaking about Fortnite, so called "pro" PC niggers turn all the beautiful graphic options down to low, not only to get more frames per second, but also to make grass and other stuff disappear, which I would uh consider cheating.

but somehow that's fine, even when console players can't switch these graphics off.

it was, then cheaters found ways around it, one way was to make demos unreadable (dunno how), the other one was a search engine that would look for a game that had the cheater in it and would use botted accounts to manipulate the voting process
it's funny, the entire reason for anticheats is "don't trust user input" and that system is pure user input lmao

>be good at the game

There's being good and there's having a reaction speed that's no humanely feasible no matter how much you brag.

AI cheats trained on AI detection

I HONESTLY can't wait to see AI that can pretend to be an average player at any level of skill.

That day we will replace multiplayer game by SP with better NPC and will no longer have to play with someone whose only thought is "how can I replace myself with a cheated AI to ruin everyone's else fun"

jesus fucking christ man
you are not playing the game anon. I know you rationalize alot of shit, but you have to accept you are not playing the same game as non-cheaters, but you measure your self worth and performance still compared to these honest players. its mental illness. you are not good at the game because you hide your cheats sucesfully. the game YOU are playing is "finding and hiding the right cheats".

non-cheaters

are you really not cheating in any way?
I doubt that.

oh that's just my keyboard macro

CHEAT

oh that's just my lowering details to get more frames

CHEAT

the pcie is in another machine

How the fuck is it supposed to read the memory then Einstein?

Anon, the point of kernel-level rootkit is data collection, not protecting you from cheaters

are you really not cheating in any way?

yes, really
it is that unfathomable to you isnt it?
look anon. i dont think cheaters in vidya are some deranged psychos (well some are)
but saying you are "good at the game" because you sucessfuly hide your cheats is schizophrenic. You are no longer playing the game. You play a specifically modded version of the game, modded to your likings, enhancing your performance, and then play competetively against people who didnt mod their game.

Its not the same playing field. All your accomplishments regarding competetive performance are completely void.

whatever. cheaters will always lie to themselves and never change. its pointless. game on anon.

None of those metrics would matter for a cheat-detecting AI. Using a cheat intrinsically changes how one plays the game and the AI would pick up on that difference between normal players and cheaters. For example a wall hack is going to give you ungodly situational awareness that even a pro won't have. Now you can say 'maybe I am just that good' but it wouldn't be just you, anyone else who uses the same cheat would exhibit the same behavior. And I am talking here about really subtle stuff like slightly turning towards people you can't see on your screen or getting spooked by some guy in the next room through a wall.

All your accomplishments are void, because you played on PC.

it changes how you play the game

you shoot people

cheaters shoot people

that's what the "AI" will "figure out"

situal awareness is cheating

and not expensive 5D headphones

both are cheating

I stopped caring about cheaters the day I got manually banned by a dev for being too good at their game which only had manual bans as a form of anti cheat. Also got a game ban on my steam account, through EAC, manually for stream sniping. Gamers can eat shit and so can devs. I'll support hackers every time.

If I played PC vs Console, then yes, it wouldnt mean anything.
Cheaters are absolutely pathethic creatures, and will stay so forever seemingly.

Honestly Steam isn't doing that bad.
Their prices are reasonable. Indy game are as easily accessible and findable than AAA, there's a great TAG system to find games that match what you want.
They encourage Early-Access which is the only way to fund truly creative stuff.
Of course Steam still put the biggies on the top of their store page but a player who stop at those without looking further deserve to be treated like a cash-cow.

I actually trust Steam more about the whole "owning your game" than any others company.

>company gets 30% on everything, way more than a supermarket, despite doing nothing in return

>nothing in return

That's bullshit propaganda from EGS failing to buy exclusivity and get you on their store.
The fun thing we learned with EGS debacle is that
- it cost money to have good advertising.
- it cost money to have an easy way to update & track multiple version of your game
- it cost money to have a community that link players owning the same game
- it cost money to have a company that actively facilitate getting your game to an interested public instead of doing the strict minimum.

And are you pretending it's Steam fault there's loot boxes and battle passes?
There's no words for how retarded you are.
The only people at fault for Lootbox and battle pass are the players themselves for buying those.

I want physical games that I own.
Steam doesn't deliver on that.
In fact Steam hides its own DRM.

I trust Steam, because they call me subscriber without rights

lololol

good advertising

Steam isn't a publisher and they are not actually advertising games.

it costs money to update

you are kind of retarded

costs money to have a community

weird that gamefaqs is free

And are you pretending it's Steam fault there's loot boxes and battle passes?

Valve introduced them in the west, so yes.
It wasn't EA or Activision. It was your shitty Valve.

Strange cope. If it makes you happy, AI is expensive to train, requires a lot of data and would have to be tailor made for every game. So it's probably gonna take a few years until we see decent anti-cheat AI.

"AI" is nonsense

nta, no one scammed you tho, that money could have come from anywhere
I bet there's a fuck tons of childish cheater who think their money buy forever loyalty, then get surprised they have no leverage at all because the guy they bribed already got everything he could get and isn't risking his job

t. jealouslow iq tard butthurt that he couldn't do any of that

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access

As long as it work 99% of the time, I'd be ok having to very rarely send a mail saying "bro you got it wrong this time" and they trust me because my profile is clean.
As I write the email I'd think about the raging cheaters thinking superhard how to get around this "unfair enforcement of fair play".

I want physical games that I own.

retards still are pretending that discs are magically immune to drm

being so stupid you think buying another computer makes you a genius

LMAO you're brown.

I'm fine with 1 player out of 100 banned

LMAO
and it won't even do this, face recognition doesn't work either

my profile is clean

No, your profile will say VAC BANNED

You will say no, I have never cheated
And plebs like you will say haha, fucking cheater.

show me them always online DRMs on discs, like on Switch carts.
Go ahead.
Show me how I can't play switch games without internet connection

besides paranoia or mental illness thinking some government entity is out to get you in your vidya, or distrusting the anticheat to not be malicious (looking at you ESEA bitcoin mining anticheat), the only reason to be against strict anticheat is you are a disgusting, rationalizing piece of mentall illness cheater yourself.

AI de tects possible cheat threshhold

Players in game also report for cheating

AI combines detection with previous cheat detections on same user and adds report amounts from real players to determine if a ban is issued

Cheaters use AI cheats to seem like they are not cheating according to the detectors

If these cheats are so undetectable they will have to be so subtle and shit that not even players will notice, which means the Ai cheat wreas is a fight equilibrium trending towards noncheat gameplay cheats, meaning cheating is a solved issue in time mathematically

yes i have 150+ iq how could u tell

good thread

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shit thread

300+ replies

Anon Babble

strict anticheat with le AI

You have no clue what "AI" is.
Pro-tip: it's not intelligent.

Right after you make functional backup copy of your game

yes, if many players report other player, that means he cheated

cheaters will have a field day with this

oh no, ignore reports about streamers, those definitely never cheat

PCI card is in the remote computer

DMA lets PCI access memory of the computer the device is plugged into

Again, how will that help? Grow a fucking brain before you respond to me you fucking retard.

just build a time machine and let the Nazis win problem solved for most of the cuckold races who would cheat whenever they can.

digital id

As much as I love anonymity it might become a necessity for our society.
We already trust our states with recognizing our ID
(if you live in a dictatorship, you were never going to be anonymous anyway and it's your fault for not going something about that first)

The REAL difficulty is having your government spend money set up the infrastructure that's easily accessible, reliable and come with extra GDPR-like measure to prevent targeted advertising once they know your ID, something like vouching you are legit citizen n°X without telling every company the same n°X.

Doesn't really seem "casual" to use two computers and a physical cheating device inside one of them to cheat but yeah it sucks that this exists.

I wasnt talking about AI. I was clearly talking about strict Anticheat that involves that the anticheat is basically acting like malware and has access to things that another normal commercial software wouldnt.
The problem lies with the trusthworthiness of the distributor, nothing else. Any appeals to philosophy, politics, or morals in this regard is a cheaters cope.

make a copy

I'm not a nigger

a backup

huh?
for what purpose?
Are Switch carts deleting themselves?

on an emulator

oh that story about the liars all totally owning a paid copy but just playing their "backup" because reasons.

We already trust our states

I don't.

do something about military occupation

lol

This but unironically.

strict anticheat

what is that supposed to be?

strict

what?
VAC for example is shit software.

would you fags play 14.99$ each month to get full access to every game on Steam?

No because I want to vote with my wallet and I want to give money to niche game that barely interest anyone.
Not have shit game producers get money because they've gamed automated system to shill their AAAAAAA shitty game.

What having zero life achievements does to a mf

lmao
kill yourself

I said what I mean by that. It means an anticheat that can read basically anything thats happening in the machine in real time. that means it has to be insanely invasive and has high potential for malicious abuse.
are you being obtuse on purpose?
I dont care about AI specifically. I care about removing cheaters.

The future is that games will support the same digital credentials, or digital signatures, that banks and the likes already use all over the world. People aren't going to cheat when their account is tied to their actual, singular irl identity and you can't play online without it. Or if they are, they're only going to do it once.

cannot make a copy

You do not own your DRMbox, nigger

emulation out nowhere

Kek

isn't all of this going to be void once we get HARDWARE cheats where a robot just controls a normal mouse?
i swear i ran into a player using one of these one time, every time i watched the kill cam his crosshair would run circles around me before it clicked on my head and if you moved too fast it lost track of you.

you don't own copyright of the game

they didn't sell so copyright for $30

well duh sherlock, you are so smart

yes, that's Epic's Anticheat, I'm actually fine with that.

well the problem lies with the distributor of the software. a league for Counter Strike pros had sth like this, and they added a bitcoin miner to it.

i surely wouldn't trust Valve

Are Switch carts deleting themselves?

Actually yeah
Guess which type of memory technology switch game cards use. It's not flash or mask :)

and genshin's anticheat was pwned by malware developers
it's not like this should matter at all but since none of you seem capable of abstract thinking it's nice to have some concrete examples to point to

random forum shitposter

claiming shit

yeah, no.

sauce: reddit

lol
you could have just said you made it up

Defending ESEA after 10 years

weird flex but ok

DRMbox doesnt allows you to manipulate game files

still pretending that you own the game

you read it first on reddit

malware developers

great people I am sure. Tovarish of yours?

Why would I want to manipulate my copy of the game?
Are you a cheater?

If you say its untrue. Again, its very odd defending this when I just used it as an example of why it can end up bad, 10 years after it happened. Seems like you have some personal connection to it while screeching reddit.

i never said that
go buy some IQ supplements

your screenshot of the forum shitposters LITERALLY says his source is reddit
did you even read your screenshot before posting it here?

my Wii U broke

noooooo, I totally didn't hack it

it must be bad hardware!!!

doubt.jpg

Is that cheating or just "better equipment lol"

NTA,
There's a reason CROSSPLAY is a special feature.
Devs know some interfaces are undeniably more efficient than others.

So why is an aimbot a problem?

For the same reason someone playing a SPORT require all players to at least follow the same basic rules.
There's no rules against being better at the game.
There's rules against using another interface than mouse/gamepad.

You didn't follow the rules laid out in the ToS you didn't read? Too bad for you.

It means an anticheat that can read basically anything thats happening in the machine in real time. that means it has to be insanely invasive and has high potential for malicious abuse.

name 5 things this kind of anticheat can do that a regular anticheat can't

you said "you all arent capable of abstract thought"
do you feel alone often?

it's just better equipment

so expensive headphones that allow you to track people way better than anyone else is "not cheating"
while a simple wallhack somehow is cheating, despite both giving you an unfair advantage, got it

Maybe i want to keep playing my game after possible hardware failure, or, you know, maybe i want to actually own my game

Are you a cheater?

Bait used to be believable

i have not posted a single screenshot this thread. you are mistaking me. I didnt read all posts.
also I dont have a wii

For the same reason someone playing a SPORT require all players to at least follow the same basic rules.

Yes, one is not allowed to wear rocket boost shoes that allow him to run way faster than someone without

ergo your $500 headphones are cheats too.
that's how actual sports would handle it.

possible

My NES carts still work fine, meanwhile my CD-Rs from just a few years ago are failing.
Think of a better excuse, thief.

I didn't post the screenshot

but I'm the only one that keeps replying and pretending it's real

weird isn't it

I want to make unlimited copies of my game

That's going to be a few million then, thank you for your purchase.

not if you are mentally sane, no.
i dont care about the wii, I only talked about invasive anticheat. did you mix my comment about ESEA with some shit about wii in your head? do you even know what ESEA was?

point at DRMshit disallowing you to do things

n-nobody needs that functionality anyways

Like a fucking clockwork

NES cartridges

Do you actually play them?

CD-Rs

Shit tech, my HDD from 10 or so years ago still just werks

That's a lot of effort when you could git gud instead.

I reply to wrong (your) post

that's your fault

got it, retarded.

holy shit you are actually insane and snap at random comments that have nothing to with you. get well soon anon. not everyone is out to get you.

An MSI monitor looks at where the LoL minimal is, then draws arrows on screen to where they are relative to the viewport. This is done entirely on the monitor side the PC doesn't even know it is happening.

I reply to random posts, post nonsensical nonsense about the EDSL

and then I get fed up when I get called out for what I did

did you mix my comment about ESEA with some shit about wii in your head?

post nonsensical nonsense about the EDSL

its getting worse
anon: what is ESEA?

as if I would give a shit, ask the shitposter

get well soon anon. i promise you: not everyone is out to get you. it is sometimes ok to admit you have been mistaken or acted in error. good luck

This is literally what 99% of minecraft servers do to deal with killaura and other things.

you replied to the wrong post, you retarded moron.

object.invisible = true
cheat: oh that's marked as invisible, let's ignore it

no, just don't mark it as such

okay, now your "invisible" objects appear inside the game, and everyone will react to them
good job

By your own wording only matter the people who got banned.
And you ain't gonna ban 100% of the players every day would you?

So if there's a whole fucking 50 000 banned and only 500 players were banned for wrong reason that would be a really good score and I'll only insist they have the means to quickly unban the 500 who will certainly never suffer that again because -they- unlike cheater, aren't cheating with 99% chance of failure.

Fair point actually, but it will go back to CLEAN after they double check the data.
With a 99% efficient system, the annoyance alone that will apply 99% of the time to cheaters would be more than worth it.

be a cheater

99% chance of needing to beg to be unbanned

the 20th time you ask in a short period, you ain't fooling anyone

don't be a cheater

your risk of getting unfairly banned is 1% of the number of cheaters (because they are the one trying to look like normal player)

if you are unfairly banned too much, it would at least tell you that game was riddled with cheaters anyway.

>do something about military occupation

lol

Your choice, slave.
Democracy require a population who do efforts to make it work.

object.invisible = true

This would be true for anyone, real or not, who isn't on your screen due to frustum/occlusion culling. That's the entire point of wallhacks, to make shit you can't see visible.

500 players banned and inventory locked is fine with me

you are retarded

really good score

lmao
I see lawsuits coming, so that would be a fun thing

quickly unban the 500 people

how do you identify the "non-cheaters"?

I will use AI

you are retarded

Yes, one is not allowed to wear rocket boost shoes that allow him to run way faster than someone without

Akshually they allowed some Nike's shoes that would give you a very relevant edge in marathons
wired.com/story/nike-vaporfly-shoes/
Doping is obviously still illegal

Democracy

democracy is the military occupation

but what? I can vote for this party, or the other party

weird that both parties go to war all the time and treat people badly

but I got the choice who is going to fuck me

wired.com/story/nike-vaporfly-shoes/

that's retarded.
runners should all get the exact same food, the same shit to drink and the same shoes and clothing.

so expensive headphones that allow you to track people way better than anyone else is "not cheating"

No rules against using your ears so no.

unfair advantage

Someone having a better seat than someone else is also "unfair advantage" by your definition.
So myself I'm ok with only caring for the biggest cheats with a threshold that vary and keep cheaters on their toe.

VAC is dogshit. You get the most obvious spinbotters in CS2, people streaming themselves playing with hacks (with some expensive inventories) and it takes years to ban them or never. We get a VAC wave every few years then it's back to normal once those people make new accounts.

No rules against using your ears so no.

That's not the same.
Someone with 7.1 surround sound has obviously a major advantage, and someone with such earphones even more so.
it's not the ears, it's about additional supporting equipment.

but if that's fine, a wallhack is also fine, that's also just supportive equipment. With your ears and expensive headphones, you can track people without seeing them.
So what's the problem seeing them through walls, when you can already do that?
Nothing, therefore it's not a cheat.

Fortnite for example has a visual audio option, that you can enable, which does exactly that. It's supposed to be for disabled people, but it gets abused by so called "pros".
It's a cheat obviously.
But when that's not a cheat, a wallhack isn't a cheat either.

the same shoes and clothing.

Why? That would mean only one company (either Nike or Adidas would reap all the benefits)
Point is that we as a community establish limits. Vapourfly are the equivalent of a better mouse, speedo was like a macro so it got banned and doping is like ESG or wallhacks so it's also banned. You can cope all you want that aimbotting is like going from 60 to 144 fps but we both know it's not true

Fortnite for example has a visual audio option, that you can enable, which does exactly that. It's supposed to be for disabled people, but it gets abused by so called "pros".

It's a cheat obviously.

But when that's not a cheat, a wallhack isn't a cheat either.

Cheaters are way more honest.
They just say who cares.
meanwhile the "non-cheaters" go nah nah nah this is a cheat, but this other cheat isn't a cheat because I say so and I use it, therefore it's not a cheat.

benefits

I would ban all advertising too.

Mr Supreme emulator

Fortnite for example has a visual audio option, that you can enable, which does exactly that. It's supposed to be for disabled people, but it gets abused by so called "pros".

It's a cheat obviously.

But when that's not a cheat, a wallhack isn't a cheat either.

But it's not a cheat because it's included in the base game and you can use it. It's like saying that rebinding keys is cheating because you can do stuff more easily

can this kill Kernal access?

Then noone would play sports at high level and people would get bored and complain

if it's included it's naht a cheat

but it is, you can see where players are, even when they are behind walls.

a wallhack inside the game is not a cheat

that's how actual sports would handle it.

I do mock the whole Olympic sports religion, which is more political, spectacles and money than the joy of practicing said sport.
Because eventually the chinese will just do genetic engineering and the rules will never ever keep up with that.

As far I'm concerned a $500 headset is minor compared to a lot of other stuff.
Have higher fidelity and still use your own human sense/skill to identify enemy? OK
Have aimbot that instantly detect target beyond game texture or automatically move your aim to a target? NOK

It will never be perfect, as long as we can enrage as much cheaters as possible it's a win.

can't detect hardware

"high level" is fake anyway, so who cares.
it's all corrupt and fake.

it's called overwatch, suspicious plays are given to trusted and anonymous players who review the replay and vote if the player is cheating or not

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cheaters

You call some cheaters cheaters, others not.
Someone who is not disabled, but uses disability options for an advance, is by definition a cheater.
you would call that

hurr, just using what the game offers

despite the game offering that for hearing disabled people, who actually have a disadvantage

Harder to say than do and it consume a lot of resources.

you guiz are short

it's already being implemented though, people saying in the future we'll have flying cars didn't have prototype flying cars but we have ai doing that thing already

you cant spell bypases without asses, if you catch my drift

vote

yeah good luck with that

that player plays really good

CHEATER

no, ai is stupid

call me when you can give it internet documentation and it will create a perfect web browser within 5 minutes.
if it can't do that, it's not ai.
it's shitty algos.
Games like FEAR had better ai than the shit there is now, and that was also just complex programs, that's all.

competitive first person shooters are going to be stone dead in ten years

had to ignore/make up most of what I said

You are not fooling anyone.

how do you identify the "non-cheaters"?

They'll be the one who aren't caught by accident >1000% of the time than normal player.

>I will use AI

you are retarded

Never said that

Shut the fuck up you retarded autist schizos

being so bad at video games you use two computers to play

Lmao.

anon had amd

So calling an UAV in cod is cheating?

competitive online games might compete with gachashit for the worst genre ever
touch grass you retarded motherfuckers

They'll be the one who aren't caught by accident

what

that's actually part of the game, not a disability option. and you get it as a reward.
Therefore no.

So changing sensibility is cheating?

Someone with 7.1 surround sound has obviously a major advantage

major advantage

It's simple then,
You are free to play without sound as you wish to give yourself a handicap, or play on an uncomfortable seat.
Is considered cheating something far more unfair than what you consider to be "major advantage".

why would that be the case?
the visible audio is not a cheat WHEN YOU ARE ACTUALLY HEARING IMPAIRED, obviously, because otherwise they would be at a major disavantage.

without sound

is not the same as 7.1 surround sound

give yourself a handicap

so you are fine with using a wallhack, because wallhack exists and not using one is giving yourself a handicap too.

also my actual point is that PC players with 240 fps should get matched against another.
that would be fair.
PC players with 240 fps with disabled grass should also get matched together.
"hearing disabled" players should also get matched against another.

Make all of these pools, that would make it fair and you could keep the stupid options too well except for the actual hearing impaired obviously.

and if you got a shit PC that gets you 20 fps, match make these with Switch players.

Yes if a disability option was offered it mean it was considered within the rules.
Using such option, even if you aren't disabled in a medically recognized way, still mean you consider yourself inferior to other and need a buff for reasons that are up to you.
Free to you to insist games should go BIG BROTHER other the slightest deviation, so far no one care to go that far.
We'll still ban aimbot.

Because I would have an objective advantage over someone that has the wrong sensibility settings. Also literally not my problem and skill issue if they can't hear well. Also if only them could use it then they would have an unfair advantage (prosthetic legs are banned from Olympics because they give you an advantage btw) meanwhile if everyone can pick it it's fair. If the game enabled in game setting or mechanics for wallhacks and aimbot it would be fair to use them but since you use an external program to gain an advantage it's cheating, I don't get what's so hard to understand

rules

the option is obviously only for disabled people.
if you use it without being disabled, it gives you a major advantage. that makes it a cheat.

big brother

my point is you call a wallhack a cheat, while pretending that this which is literally an visible wallhack is not a cheat.

Make your mind up.

skill issue if they can't hear

if everyone can pick it, it's fair

okay, everyone can get a regular wallhack too.

wallhack

hack

By definition not part of the game features/ToS rules.

Free to you to push for ridiculously specific matchmaking criteria where you need a full medical checkup and a standardized specs but the common people don't care that much.
They still want to ban anyone seeing through games texture or using aimbot not part of the game features.

an aimbot in a game is "fair"

Rockstar has shown that it's not and it's bullshit.
But in any case, anyone can download a wallhack.
Your argument doesn't make sense.

when it's external

okay, a program that flips a byte and enables a developer wallhack built into the game is a cheat or is a non-cheat?
the wallhack itself is ingame.
cope

Ok, I will call it "feature for the hearing disabled" now.
and we will call the external programs "programs to help hearing disabled people"
There you go.

Only those willingly to break the rules you agreed upon when downloading the game
You 2 can cope all you want and keep cheating but you won't convince non cheaters that you're not cheating

standardized specs

I wrote exactly the opposite.
When your PC is doing 200-300 fps, match these together.
When you are a cheater and disabled grass, match these together too.
It's that simple and it would make it fair.

What's not fair is a PC player with disabled grass and a draw distance of 50 miles and playing at 300 fps going against a 20 fps player with a draw distance of 2 miles, obviously.

Localizing your opponent using sound is a features.

yes, but you can give yourself a major advantage by not only doing that, but having the audio visualized in such detail that would be impossible to get with ears.
therefore it's cheating.

ToS

I signed nothing
Cope

When you can go

I'm totally disabled hehe

I also just have to disable grass hehe

then I can go

I download wallhack to see you too, while not even disabling grass

We both know that with your constantly tightening criteria you'll eventually forbid anyone who isn't playing on the exact same PC+settings+chair+medical check and soon you'll want a separate matchmaking based on IQ (desu I would also want to exclude people like you, but still, concession have to be made).
Cheater will still be banned for breaking rules.

bullshit subscription is bullshit

keep that shit, put it into a pot, add some water, heat it up to 100°C, let it cool down, add some flour, salt, sugger and pepper, pour it into a cast, let it get hard, eat it

literally eat shit

medical check

making shit up is very low level
i said match make these "disabled" people against another.
simple as that.

the only reason why you don't want that, is because you are cheating that way and want to play against non-cheating playsers.

I'd like to cheat in overwatch except nobody made any DMA cheats for it yet, and finding places to buy the DMA card and mouse input tool seems annoying compared to just doing something else.

The final solution: high trust gaming communities

no chinks, no slav(e)s, and no huezilians

based. fuck the anti-cheat kikes. they're in bed with DRM companies (any scheme that boasts getting rid of cheaters is DRM, see TPMs)