I can't be the only one in the world who thinks that $450 is a reasonable price

It's more than expected. However looking at it in a vacuum is disingenuous
- Switch does not come with a real controller
- Switch has paid online
- First party titles are all $70 - 80 USD
- Switch 1 performance patches that add features and content will be $10 - 20 each
- Gamecube games are tied to a subscription to the higher tier of NSO (admittedly not a big issue if you're not a nintensoy who can't use emulators)
And then all the other anti-consumer practices like the continued dripfeed of a limited selection of their backcatalog, having awful network infrastructure and online play but with a paid online subscription, encouraging third parties to go for "Digital Key Cards" (its not a storage thing, Bravely Default remaster is only 11GB)... Anything else I'm missing?
Iwata and Reggie were consumer minded, they're gone. Doug fucking Bowser didn't even show up once to any Switch 2 events. It's over dude.

I paid 4k for my gpu and even I wouldn't spend a 10th of that on a stupid WAHOOO toy

It would be perfectly fine if the games weren't $80.

To be fair you should already own a Switch Pro Controller, it works on Switch 2, and the Nintendo Online is pathetically cheap.

4k on a gpu

You paid way more than necessary, honestly kind of sad.

When is oney going to play tomodachi life again

If it were $450 for a deluxe set with:

the console

a normal controller

a pack in game

3 months of NSO

sure.

What everyone is forgetting is that the Switch 2 is a handheld, it's an ARM based device with cut down capabilities and compromises over a proper home console. $450 gets you a PS5 bundle with Astro Bot. And sure whatever the PS5 is shit has no games but the value proposition with the Switch 2 here is abysmal. And that's not even getting into all the jewery Nintendo is pushing this time.

Apparently it couldn't handle a few hundred hours of Splatoon 3 because now I'm getting weird clicking and shit from the left stick so yeah I gotta buy a new one and I know a couple people who had burned through a couple before switching to third party

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im a normal guy man i dont do anything weird to the controller dont start with me

Its not the console its the games. There is no reason for a 20-30 dollar increase when the quality increase hasn't matched the gap. There's actually no reason to pay 80 fucking dollars for mario kart, not counting the extra money paid to be able to play it online.

Can use Switch 1 pro controller on Switch 2

Why do I get the sinking feeling this won't be the case

They already confirmed it but I don't blame you for not knowing because they've been sneaky kikes about pushing this info to the front

fpbp

I mean $450 for the bot bundle only gets you a few worthwhile games but it's also 99% bc with PS4, so it'll have games.

Assuming tariffs do some bullshit I think value could be split.

That's a relief, though if I have a S2 by then and the controller starts getting iffy sticks I'll replace with the S2 controller.

Agreed on their messaging.

but with a paid online subscription, encouraging third parties to go for "Digital Key Cards" (its not a storage thing, Bravely Default remaster is only 11GB)

Tbf they probably would have just given download code or not done any kinda of physical if wasn’t for the card key

How? I’ve had mine since year 1 and it’s still gine

It's underpowered, late to market and has an underwhelming launch line up. While I expected it to be underpowered the price for it is unjustifiable, especially with such a lacklustre release slate for 2025. I really don't get how they have so fucking few games coming this year. What was the delay all about?

It really isn't, and even when they make Switch 2 lites I still won't buy just because I'm not interested in a scam where they'll eventually phase out online services when they choose to stop supporting the Switch to make room for the next big Nintendo console in 10-20 years.

The system price is fine, it everything else that jacks it up. (games, paid tech-demos, accessories, online)

underpowered

relative to what other handheld device at the same price point?

Those parents make up like 70% of purchases though.
$450 is reasonable to me since I will get tons of value out of it but whether it's reasonable to turbo normies is a different matter.
Also $80-90 games are not reasonable even to me lol.

It's underpowered

It's actually quite competitive for a mobile device. The issue is that handheld PC chips will get better and then PS6 will come out and games will require mandatory RT and 16GB of VRAM to even run and we're back to 360p/18fps 3rd party ports.

Just to give you an actual source on the controllers being compatible
en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68426

450 is a steal. Nintendo is no different from other consoles though, they intend to make up the cheap cost of the console with games and other services which isn't reasonable. Buy 5 games and you've already bought a second console KEK

470€ MSRP

but Finnish retailers don't want to eat the VAT from their profits, so they take the suggested retail price and retail it at 125% of it instead

suddenly it's closer to 600€

literally cheaper to import from elsewhere in the EU

450 is a steal

I could buy a Steam Deck for around that price and can play virtually anything without rebuying my games.

I don't mind the $450, but I do mind $70+ games, then I especially do mind prices being even higher due to Trump's collapse of the global economy.

The price of the console was never the concern. I don't know anyone that actually has an issue with a $450 console. The Switch was $299 back in 2017, which would be $387 today.
It's the price of the games. $80 for a console game is a very steep price. It wouldn't be, if wages continued to increase, but they generally haven't, leading to the outcry right now. Drop the price of the games.

450 for a PS4 pro tier console in 2025

But it's handhel-ACK

you know damn well no self respecting adult will bing Bing wahoo in public

dude he's got the last name Bowser

I was fine with almost everything but $80 for their Super Mario Happy Bouncy Time tier games was where I lost interest.

switch 1 being cheap made it a horrifically underpowered piece of shit

switch 2 is still lower than the MSRP of its competitors

still a fraction of the price of essentially any other consumer electronics section too

The whole "controversy" is so retarded it just feels fake. Bitching about the price of games at least makes sense, even if it's still ultimately retarded, but the price of the console being completely average has no reason to be controversial.

Yes, obviously the steam deck is a better option for anyone who actually cares about games, but don't pretend for a moment it's even vaguely a competitor to the switch in the primary market.

you voted for this :D

if you didn't realise by now nigger, tariffs, like all things that cause inflation, stack on each other.

For the console, that's fine, possibly even low. Anyone throwing a fit over the price of the console itself is just trolling.
The issue is the additional costs, ranging from the $50 camera to the $80+ games, to the $90(?) controller you'll need so you're not stuck playing on Joycons, and paying for online.
Also the console AND all these added costs are the baseline prices, so, for example, if the tariffs go through, the S2 will become $700+ and each game will run for about $140+.
More of a personal thing, a battery that lasts under 6-8 hours is absolutely unacceptable, and Nintendo's putting the system's low end at 2 hours which is practically parody, as if someone at the company was just playing a prank. That's two hours on a fresh battery bought day one; what will the battery be like a year from now? Two years?.
If I WAS going to buy an S2, I definitely wouldn't because I'd literally never use it docked, I don't even own a TV, and that battery would just piss me off.

Also, I don't know, chinkhelds and Deck-likes are growing so fast, you can already buy a Switch "pro" tier chinkheld for $200 on sale and the battery lasts for hours and you can play almost all systems made prior to the Switch... for free. I think a good Deck-like chinkheld could probably fuck the Switch 2 over at the same price point with the same/better specs.

Read above: Anyone throwing a fit over the price of the console itself is just trolling. All the valid price complaints are about the nickel-and-diming of accessories, the non-free tutorial game, and the cost of all the actual games going up twenty whole fuckin' dollars despite most games so far just looking like upscaled Switch games with cleaner textures and flanderized mascots.

Everything should be free.

Nintendo moved production to Vietnam specifically to avoid the trade war with China but the meme tariffs hit them too.

In Poland you can get PS5 w/o drive+Astro Bot for an equivalent of $100 cheaper than what the preorder of Switch 2+Mario Kart costs.

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$450

sure

$90 games

fuck off

a competitor to the Switch

Well no, but that's what happens when one is only online and the other is in every GameStop/Walmart/video game shop in the world

despite most games so far just looking like upscaled Switch games with cleaner textures and flanderized mascots

Technical complexity isn't how games are priced.
And even if they are there's a clear step up from the Switch 1. I mean they've literally moved from an on-track racer to an open world racer. It's very directly comparibly more complex.

any price is hypothetically reasonable, if i say "$1000 for the switch 2" and then the switch 2 outperforms literally any gaming pc ever built then $1000 would be reasonable, but the reality is the switch 2 wont even outperform the ps4

Don't forget the downgraded screen.

$450 is perfectly fine for an employed person in current year. You could even sell plasma if you're poorfagging it hardcore and easily make it in time. If it goes much higher though that's less correct. And $80 games on top of that that will never go far down in price because Nintendo doesn't believe in doing that, no thank you.

The hardware price is reasonable.
The software seems overpriced to me, but I think the average Nintendo Adult is willing to pay 80.

I don't mind 450, but I'm only buying it if it has piracy. The screen being LCD bothers me more than the price.

No, it's what happens when one is a fundamentally janky device running compatibility layers to get games working in weird ways using a control scheme many weren't designed for. The Steam Deck is a device for people who actually want to run games, and a device for people who aren't afraid to change an option or two once or twice.
Again, I love the Steam Deck and these aren't negatives for the device, but no amount of distribution could have it compete with the bing bing machine for 12 year olds and women.

Even as a Snoy myself, i'd say this gen is unnessary, people should only buy a PS5 in case you already have a lot of PS4 games, I don't know why Sony thinks releasing a PS6 is a good idea

but the reality is the switch 2 wont even outperform the ps4

hey anon, if you want a fun night of laughs you can play the hit game cyberpunk 2077 on a base PS4 right now.

In my region, it's the same price as a base PS5. So like, it's not a completely unthinkable price, it's in the range of its competitors.
But is it as good as a base PS5? I genuinely don't know. It doesn't really matter to me if it's not exactly as powerful as PS5, if it can run the same games (i.e. Elden Ring) and it runs well enough, then I'd say yeah it's about on par with the PS5 and justifies being about the same price.

Now, that said, the Switch 1 runs games like dogshit and even games like Dark Souls Remastered ran considerably worse compared to PS4. So if Switch 2 runs the same games but at like 540p/24fps then no, I will not pay the same price as a PS5 for it.

What about the 80 to 90 $ for games?

PS5 has piracy, and no Denuvo.

Honestly, $450 isn't the bad part. It's the $80 games that are bullshit.

Don't worry, you aren't. I'm still not sure why people are throwing tantrums as hard as they are about it. It's cheaper than all of its competitors by leaps and bounds, Nintendo Online is still a fraction of the price of the competitions options, and people are kidding themselves if they thought game prices aren't about to go up across the board (and Nintendo isn't to blame). Not to mention they told us a couple of years ago they were going to raise game prices, but I guess people forgot? This shit is the result of a number of things all happening at once (mostly inflation), and while I'd rather pay less for it, I don't think 450 is an unreasonable price either.

Compare this shit to the PS5 slim: A console with less exclusives than the Switch 2 is going to have at launch who's game prices are in similar ballparks, but who's overall console costs are $450 vs $700. Or the series X which is like $900. Comparing a lot of the variables it isn't that high at all, but people like to complain when they see high numbers. Fuck, the Switch 2 isn't even as high a price as the PS3 was when it was announced. Let that shit sink in.

youtube.com/watch?v=WdHeCcwUeBk

On top of that: Accounting for inflation, $600 in 2006 is like $945, now. I feel like people who are really angry about this might not have realized that we've been paying the same amount for games and console for roughly like 20 years and inflation has ruined every other market. It's a miracle this hobby was as cheap as it was for as long as it has been. Again: I'd prefer it were cheaper, but I completely understand the price.

Also, if we're talking inflation: 60 dollars in 2006 is 95 dollars, now. Their prices are about on point as crazy as they sound.

Yeah looking in a vacuum it would seem expensive

Than i remember:
PS3 was 600 dollars in 2006 thats nearly 900 dollars today
The fglagship smartphone (SAmsung or Apple) would cost 600 dollars in 2009 now they cost over 1100 dollars.

That would be fine and all if we had the money to support these prices. I don't know if you've realized it or not, but people generally aren't making more money now. Especially right now, where tariffs are increasing the price of foreign goods even further. The request is to keep the games at $60, or even $70. $80+ is going too far to reasonably support a company that produces a product I enjoy. At that point I would have to start pirating.

It's not that expensive, it's the $90 games that kills me though.

And the Controller also cost like that much as well, with a Button that won't work unless you also pay their shitty online service.
How are people fine with that?

What gets me the most about all of this is that the price of the console was raised because Nintendo moved their production to Vietnam to avoid tariffs the US was going to impose on China and then the US imposed tariffs on Vietnam AND China. The whole thing where they're having to cancel preorders is just a result of the US doing weird shady shit no one saw coming. Nintendo even tried to prepare for it by doing something they knew was going to raise the price somewhat and somehow the thing they navigated around still happened.

Also, in terms of the key cartridge shit. Just don't buy those games physical. Holy shit, what's wrong with people? Is it just the principle that's pissing them off? Because those games are actually just glorified digital only releases. I thought that was super obvious the moment I saw that shit. If you're paying for the games that use the codes on cartridges, you're just paying for the fancy case and anything that comes with it, really. Just get the digital version if that's an issue. That's what I'm going to do anyway. They made the internal memory larger just specifically to accommodate the push toward digital sales, clearly. Again, they're just glorified digital only releases, it isn't a big deal.

This. It's the games that are the problem.

You would assume, after the success of the switch, they would lower the price, but here we are

They're charging more BECAUSE things cost more now, dude. It's not something they're doing to spite people without money or something. The product is an assembly of parts that cost them money to mass produce and assemble. And those parts cost more because things are more expensive now.

Maybe this is a good thing, though. Maybe gaming shouldn't have ever been about people buying games constantly and not finishing them? I have a steam backlog with hundreds of games on it I don't think I've ever touched and so do most other people. It used to be that you'd get a game or two for Christmas or your Birthday and you'd play the shit out of those games. Nowadays games are short and their content is lacking and certain franchises release a game a year. Maybe this will create a market where we all stop hording games we never play and actually start playing games that devs work to make sure are worth that price tag? Who knows. Overall, I know it seems high, but by comparison to prices in the post it really isn't that high. Like I said: It's a miracle we went 20 years without a price change on games. This was going to happen eventually.

Interested in Tomodachi Life 2

Interested in Mario kart (for Rosalina)

Interested in the mouse mode for the controller

Not really sure if that's enough to justify 500 dollars or more on a console alone (because we know it is not going to be 450) + 80-90 each game

Tomodachi Life 2 is a Switch 1 game, bud. It'll be the same price as normal Switch games and you wont need a new console for it (if you have a switch).

They only moved some of the production, so they'll be paying double tariffs hopefully lol

like all other anons said, $450 is fine, it's all the other stuff that is bullshit, what is the pro controller even going to be? $110? $50 per year for regular online? $25 for the upgrade packs?

Whenever they finish graffiti kingdom and sonic unleashed

Do you actually want the chat feature? Most people feel like it was unnecessary. And why does this really matter? Also, they're making this shit free for the first year the console is out. They announced it right after they announce what the chat button did. This doesn't really make sense to me to be mad about is all I'm trying to get across. What is actually the issue here? You want to do voice chat but don't want to use online to do it? Okay, launch discord. Or turn and talk to the person I assume you're sitting in the same room with considering you aren't playing games online on top of everything clearly.

Pro controller is 80, same as it is now. Online is 20/year same as now. And the upgrade packs are around 10 dollars per (if you even have to pay because a bunch of them are just straight up free). We knew all those prices when the console price dropped. The upgrade packs are also trying to make the price worth it by slipping shit in. The Kirby Switch game got a whole DLC expansion for instance.

$450 for a console is nothing to me
$80 - $90 games are what annoys me

Obviously not, since Nintendo clearly agrees. Let's just see if the market does.

$450 is a high ask. if we had a really clear idea of specs, that would make it a bit better, but as far as i know we don't have an official statement on what SoC it is or what's actually under the hood. that makes it hard to say whether we're being screwed or not, and because i'm a cynical bastard, i have to assume that we are.

however: $80 for a game is fucking unacceptable unless it's coming with a lot of extra shit. for the size of a switch 2, i could have a steam deck, which is approximately as expensive for a mid-range model (no one wants the lowest tier) and plays my existing PC library in addition to emulation and third party launchers. oh, and i can get games for $5 pretty frequently, and they're usually pretty good. sometimes i get whole ass bundles for 75% off or better and wind up with fuckin 25 games for $40.

the value proposition here is absolutely horrible. i do not want to pay $80 for a game when i may or may not even like it. i do not want to pay $80 for a game when it's going to be locked in on one console.

there is one, only one way $80 games makes sense: you get extras of some kind. a custom console theme with every game AND an art book AND the full ost AND literally whatever else could ever possibly be added in to a physical release, and at least a $20 discount for digital games that *also* provide digital versions of those bonuses/pack-ins.

he boughted a 5000 series

Yeah same as ps3 did after ps2.
And it will flop like ps3.

The upgrade packs are also trying to make the price worth it by slipping shit in

...or they're adding nominal, useless shit in to justify the upgrade pack being paid like the awful phone app for Zeldas.

Nintendo has games and a hardcore fanbase though

At least it's not $599 and sprawling with giant enemy crabs in historical Japan.

Why on earth would you assume that? Are you 12?

If it gets a Switch 2 edition of Minecraft, Roblox, and whatever the fuck, it won't flop.

I paid 200 bucks for the Switch 7 years ago. The switch 2 offers a minor graphical update at best, and expects me to pay double the price.

calling it now: minecraft bedrock is going to be a launch title for switch 2, because it doesn't even need to change. years ago, microshit figured out that making individual console versions of minecraft hurt their bottom line, so they rewrote the entire game from scratch in C++ so it could be immediately compiled for both ARM and x86 devices. the result is that minecraft copies are all basically the same across all devices, and can be instantly ported.

i don't play roblox so i have no idea what that's going to look like, but i assume there will be no major differences since all the content is basically user generated.

fortnite is already confirmed and minecraft's a shoe in for switch 2 edition, even PS5 got an upgrade

Switch came out in 2017 and was 300 dollars. So getting one 7 years ago at 200 means you were buying it at a discount after it had already been out for a bit. You can still just wait and buy a used one in a couple years at a lower price, man. It's also of worth to note that 300 dollars in 2017 is roughly like 390 now, so the Switch 2 is really just an additional 60 bucks comparatively.

It is. $80 however, is not.

I don't play roblox either, well not anymore, but apparently it's fuckhuge now, especially with zoomer children. I think it's almost, if not, bigger than Fortnite was in its heyday. There's obviously a PC client already, but it was Xbox exclusive up until almost a couple years ago when it got a PS port. If kiddies can play Roblox on their Switch then I have no doubt it'll help sales immensely. High-end gaming tablets are in the $500-$1,200 range right now too, but lower end (Galaxy Tab A9+ for $150) can run both Minecraft and Roblox pretty smoothly so it shouldn't be a problem.

That game started on PC, there was never a point where it was exclusive to Xbox. Unless, I guess, you mean exclusive to Xbox outside of PC? Even then, it was on iOs and Android way before Xbox, friend. Also, Roblox is a game for children and pedophiles I can't imagine anyone actually wanting it on their console.

it's gonna be 1000 usd in magastan bro

I think it's fine when a ps5 and series x cost 500 each and the switch 2 can finally run the same games and in handheld

it's alpha children
he means console exclusive

You could buy the nes bundle with powerpad for 150-175 and it came with three games and also the blaster.