I used to think Pelinal was cool until I found out he also slaughtered Khajiits for no reason

I used to think Pelinal was cool until I found out he also slaughtered Khajiits for no reason

...And then i thought he was REALLY cool.

Pretty kitties did nothing wrong and deserve protection.

Khajiit are mer

This is propaganda and I refuse to believe it. If they're are mer, then why aren't they called "Khamer" or something? Case closed.

They mer made by Azura, they also cousins of the Bosmer. The Khajit don't deny they are Mer or Mer-like, on the other hand Bosmers hate to be compared with Khajit.

Elf hate used to be cool when it was unique nowadays it's thinly veiled maybe maybe not ironic satanism.

Yeah, Mer are cool.

Back when TES' elves were the only ones unapologetically arrogant and prideful it was cool.

slaughtering the designated Reddit race

Good.

why don't ayleids have mer in the name?

Absolute. Mer. Extermination.

That just makes him cooler

Khajiit prayed so hard to Akatosh and he came down and blasted the Whitesnake back to Cyrodill leaving a timewound in that spot which the cats built a temple around.

Every single story needs a pelinal to help us get rid of the elven disease

Or the Direnni

It's not for no reason buddy. 2 words. Point Ears.

WHY DO GIANTS HAVE POINTED EARS NIGGERS

I wonder what would have happened if Alessia failed to convince the Devines not to up and quit on Nirn because of Pelinal.

he was a meathead jock that pushed elves into lockers because he couldnt wrap his head around the concept of magic or science

im surprised he was not a nord

In Merethic Era Tamriel, Pelinal under various names built a reputation as a wandering hero, sorcerer, and warrior

try again

He thought they were a kind of elf, completely understandable in hindsight.

He had a pretty good reason. They were Khajits

TO YOU WE PLEAD AND PLEAD AGAAAAAIIIN

slaughtered Khajiits

based

for no reason

I will now venerate you.

Those races predate the need to distinguish between mer and men since elves were the only species ruling tamriel in the merethic era.

Did you know despite being just 3% of the population of Skyrim, Khajiit are responsible for over 50% of all crime?

no reason

His bro died, you wouldn't understand.

Direnni are a clan of Aldmer.
Bullshit. Mer migrated from Aldmeris to Summerset, Nedes were on Tamriel first.

seven thousand six hundred and ten

More like DUMBMER

they're drugged up animals on two legs that steal anything that isn't nailed down and are predisposed to banditry, ofcourse he killed them

Pelinal crashed out for no reason. Mer are on the rise again and some homosexual robot won't change it this time

go back, 40k tourist. Us TESchads don't welcome you

This thread turned into some anon's schizophrenic meltdown pretty quickly.

The Song of Pelinal explicitly states that Pelinal used magic and cast spells from time to time

It's the Khajiit's fault for cucking out in the future and siding with the Aldermi Dominion...twice.
Just because they look like cute kitties doesn't mean they are a good guy race like man is.

so glad there's at least real TES fans pushing back against the reddit mind virus going on around here and pushing against elf hate. Keep fighting the good fight and pushing these tourists out, Merchads

Wasn't his whole lore that his twink got killed by elves and he was so used to sucking cum out of his ass that he went on a rampage?

Elf hate is always cool in the Elder Scrolls. I get what you're saying overall though.

elf hate has always been reddit. which is a place you need to go back to

fpbp

Khajiit are mer or not mer depending in what suits their interests at the moment.

Pelinal smelled this duplicitous nature and it smelled of mer.

Tiber Septim will never be a real Aedra

fat gay cats

liars and thieves khajediots

It's weird that we live simultaneously in a time where racism is viewed as the worst thing ever, yet it's ok to depict elves as inherently evil and worthy of being genocided
What was all the whining about orcs for then? You had leftoids going "it's wrong to portray a race as 100% evil" but then they turn around and portray elves that way anyway, and even justify genocing them within the story. every fantasy story does this

Nice headcanon

tfw no fat gay cat bf

TES elves aren't inherently evil either though, only self-inserting shitposters on Anon Babble whose preferred type of TES discussion is fantasy Anon Babble shitposting unironically believe that. The Nords are arguably the actual closest thing TES has to an inherently violent barbarian race obsessed with war and bloodshed such as Orcs are portrayed in most fantasy, most people here just don't mind it since they're humans and thus self-insertable

Because they project minorities onto orcs but not elves, who are usually virtuous and european-coded. It is just the victim-oppressor mentality applied to fantasy

The aylieds or whatever were entirely genocided and it's portrayed as a good thing

Mer lore is really cool in TES.... but... They look so fucking retarded that I just can't fucking take them seriously.

If they looked closer to typical Elves, I'd be all over that. I know that's not the point though, they're meant to look more Alien. I get it. They just look so fucking stupid. And I don't know if that's an issue with Bethesda being fucking retarded. I remember them from Daggerfall, and I swear they didn't look as retarded as they look in things like Skyrim or Oblivion. Bethesda has always had an issue with faces, which I guess is my last cope. In Oblivion, everyone was a potato face. Then there was their new space game where everyone was hilariously ugly.

It’s because people they saw a bunch of savage brutal retards and immediately associated them with black people. These people are incapable of separating their bullshit from fiction.

Racism is only seen as the worst thing ever because of a succesful jewish psy op to pit as many blacks against whites as possible.

People aren't rational or consistent individually or as groups, there's no real reason for the double standards.

It isn't, that's another Anon Babble meme. The slave revolt is portrayed as a good thing because of course it is, but the genocide of the Ayleids, which was actually done by a crazy cult universally described as being pretty bad in the lore and not in fact by the meme crusader man or the queen he served, is not. Alessia is described as sparing Aedra-worshipping Ayleids and allowing them to live as her and her descendants' vassals.

I can take then seriously because of how they look myself. Regular elves are almost always less interesting to me.

My issue with the DUDE ELVES SUCK shit is mostly that when I see people saying that shit, it's from people who love Dwarves. And Dwarves tend to be the most r*ddit fucking people around. Seriously - go into any Anon Babble thread and watch the dwarf shitposters talk. They are fucking r*ddit incarnate. Now go to r*ddit and go to the dnd board or whatever fucking the Anon Babble equivalent is. They're the same fucking people. I don't give a shit about

MUH HECKIN RACISMERINO

I just see these fucking fucks saying their cringe shit and it makes me cringe.

Garfield

Every time

They don't look like your picture though. They typically look like this. I'd be more than okay with them if they looked like weird, but cool or sexy alien fae like races. Instead they look like a failed Bogdanof meme charicature.

Race that practices inbreeding and eugenics looks stupid

Woah...

Yes, that's why I said I don't like TES Elves despite finding their lore some of the coolest.

You just didn't install enough mods.

Not to be rude or anything, but that is truly some awful taste you have anon.

I thought Pelinal was cool until he became a humorless meme, and was outed as a gay robot

Dunmer are cool and have a really interesting history and culture.
Altmer are fags. Bosmer are irrelevant.

Speaking of memes, when did the "Thalmor want to remake reality" bullshit begin?

That's bullshit Kirkbride made up after he parted ways with Bethesda, it's literally not canon. The man makes shit up on reddit all the time for attention.

Pelinal was/is more of a created being, a 'homonculus'. The robot thing is a meme because lol futuristic weapons :DDD

The ayleids losing the war led to them being genocided in the long run, which is an interesting narrative choice. Basically stay on top or suffer the consequences. You'd think a white supremacist dreamed up this plot, as a warning to never let the slaves win...but it was actually written by leftoids.

It isn't though. Try reading the actual Song of Pelinal series of in-game books one day instead of circlejerking with shitposters on Anon Babble. Kirkbride was indeed going out of his way to imply that Pelinal is a machine or construct of some sort when he wrote those books for the Knights of the Nine DLC, therefore the implication is canon whether you like it or not.

no reason

You watch some alley cat high out of his mind on skooma steal your horse and shit on your lawn for the third time in a month and you see how you feel.

youtu.be/yUdWCeRP3oY

youtu.be/yUdWCeRP3oY

Elf hate is inherently White hate. Look at all what these brownoids say about elves; switch the word elf to white.

Is it also canon that Vivec fucked Azura to death in a courtroom?

This is a cope made up by a schizo that thinks that creatures that are synonymous with spirits and fairies are supposed to white when fucking actual white humans exist.

from a race of silverbacks that would worship the ground that your people walked upon and spent their short lives trying to emulate you

caused such a level of irreversible damage that he made your patron deity to split into two with his heretical texts

"Ah, the so-called divine crusader—how quaint. I suppose even the gods occasionally misplace their rabid mongrels."

Are they really TES Elves then?

Because I don't like the ugly bogdanof reject? Oh no, I am so hurt.

Elves are generally fuckass mad that they have to exist because of Lorkhan, we know the Towers hold Mundus in place and one is being knocked out each game. Brass Walk was lost with Daggerfall, Red Mountain with Morrowind, White Gold with Oblivion and Snow Throat with Skyrim. The way it goes is that the Thalmor seized on the opportunity to knock out White Gold after the Oblivion Crisis and that it was the entire objective of the war, then came their involvement with Ulfric and the civil war in Skyrim (the sundering of Snow Throat). There isn't any hard proof, however.

you wouldn't understand, brownie. Elves are the true spirit of the White Man.

advanced

cultured

spreading their superior ways to the lowly creatures of the world

There isn't any hard proof, however.

Yah man that's the thing. Zero supportive evidence. I get it but it's like a far questionable leap.

Yes. Not being able to enjoy a piece of fiction because a race of people are ugly is just plain stupid. Are you korean by any chance?

The reason why Mer in ES games aren't the most beautiful beings is because Bethesda knew no one would play humans.

Snow Throat with Skyrim

What?

Worth noting that Tolkien thought of jews when designing the dwarves. Kind of interesting that the same corners of the internet that hate elves also all love dwarves

People have a tendency to state theory as fact, especially if they've heard it second hand, after that it just cemented in the discussions. It's a cool theory, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bethesda went with it, but right now it's just smoke and mirrors.

stfu

Is he a Shezzarine or a cyborg avatar of Lorkhan from the 9th era?

If anything, Oblivion began that look -- as opposed to your totally original newfag starter kit reference that you keep repeating.

that nose

Subtle

You’re aware that man was literally made in the image of the gods right? And elves were basically spiritual entities that do nothing but either fight each other and fuck with people? Gods don’t have Elven heroes, they have human ones that go out and do shit like slay wyrms and becomes great kings.

advanced

In what way? They have magic but the gods and even dwarves posses far greater

cultured

Again what culture? What the fuck do you know about elves?

spreading their superior ways to the lowly creatures of the world

They almost never leave their realm and when they do it’s to fuck with people.

But I already said I like their Lore. I admitted to saying it's really cool. I just don't want to play as them because they're stupid looking. I don't mind Ugliness that much. I regularly play Orcs or Goblins in games if I can. TES Elves look more retarded than anything else.

You might've had a point if anyone in TES games were beautiful or pretty in a vanilla state.

White Tower, Snow Tower, or alternatively The Throat of the World. Snow Throat. Ulfric killing Torygg was the final preceeding event for Alduin's return in accordance with the Last Dragonborn prophecy, and Snow Throat is specifically referred to as "sundered", "bleeding" which indicates it's no longer functional as a Tower since all the other towers preceeding it were likewise deactivated with their games.

Worth noting that Tolkien thought of jews when designing the dwarves

Have any of you retards actually read the Edda’s? Do you just think it was all just a bunch of racial allegories?

slaughtered Khajiits

you gotta understand some of them really look like elves, honest mistake it happens.
also pelinal it 100% deranged and barely concious like 90% of the time, he's basically like Grimm but replace rape with genocide

No but like the mountain is fine and aside from the shit with the dragon break it doesn’t really show it being fucked up. You would think it would collapse or pop out of existence or something.

*continued*
Then I knew he was cool.

J. R. R. Tolkien (1892–1973) himself had some controversial opinions about at least one race of Middle Earth, writing that his Dwarves were “like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations.” In a separate interview, he elaborated on this theme, noting that “the Dwarves of course are quite obviously—couldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews?”

*sucks cock in canon*
Your hero is a fag!

That isn't really what has to happen when a tower is deactivated, and that said, Snow Throat being literally damaged could refer to the Dragon Break sitting on its peak becoming active in the 4th Era.

Anyways, Nords will go extinct within the next or two generations.

Nord men would rather die out than breed with their women

heh

Dragon Break sitting on its peak becoming active in the 4th Era

w-what
not him but i'd like to learn more about the future Eras in general
isn't 5th era c0da?

Why are there so many bretons?

I know you taking quotes out of context is a trump card but he literally takes a bunch of Dwarven names from the Voluspa in the Poetic Edda for the dwarves and used the story of Fafnir for Smaug minus him once being a dwarf. Most of his shit is drawn from preexisting mythology and literature of Northern Europe.

4th Era is TES5, the Dragon Break was the rift Alduin was cast into during the mythic era as a last ditch effort to deal with him, since he's impossible to kill by anyone except the last dragonborn by prophecy armor. I can't really say anything about future eras, it's hard to separate canon from Kirkbride's nonsense rambling.

If you like fiction and Anon Babble battlesuits, check out the Northworld trilogy inspired by the Eddas.

Reachmen are Bretons

Reachmen are just Bretons that don’t bathe.

The Forsworn count as Bretons despite technically being a weird in-between mutt race, so Markarth is absolutely full of dirty bretoids

Do male argonians have slits or have outer genitalia?

If Ulfric is trying to achieve a Skyrim for the Nords then he's not doing a very good job

Hey, he said he was sorry.
Honest mistake really.

I've only ever played Dunmer or Imperial. What does that make me?

No, because that's from an out of game forum RP he did, while the Song of Pelinal books are in-game books you can go read yourself in Oblivion right now, and therefore objectively canon. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, it's gross. There is a reason so many Argonian women prefer Nords.

This is the average interaction of me (Nord) simply walking through a town.

He most likely has a dunmer lover with two kids.

But elves aren't a race, they are a species. A different species than mine. Unless I'm playing an elf, in which case it's time to genocide humans and dwarves. Actually I just love genocide.

Skyrim is for the Nords!
And then they return home to this.

le 42%

Fun fact: noldorfag is seething at people for using mods in the total war general. He thinks that any and all mods are cheats, regardless of what they change.
Just remember that before you engage with his autistic shitskin projection.

Dunmer are the coolest.
Imperial idk I've never liked the human races. Or the other elf races. Or the beasts.
Dunmer are just the coolest.

Reddit does this

Reddit does that

Reddit Reddit Reddit

Dunmer are the coolest.

Imperial idk I've never liked the human races. Or the other elf races. Or the beasts.

Dunmer are just the coolest.

Tell me about how stout you are and your love of beer, oh how about you speak with a shitty accent? Stupid fat manlet

for no reason

lol
lmao
All non-humans must perish

because despite the fact some people will tell you Altmer are the jews, the Bretons actually are jews

seething

Do you use reddit?

I wonder what a Sword Meeting between Vivec the Warrior-Poet and Pelinal the Whitestrake would look like.

So what?

THE CHAMPION OF CYRODIL, THE HERO OF KVATCH IS PELINEL WHITESTRAKE.

WHY WOULD A STAR BORN KNIGHT CARRYING THE AMULET OF KINGS COME DOWN TO BE A WANDERER AND HAND DELIVER THE AMULET TO SAINT ALESSIA.
THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD THAT CONTROLS TIME, THAT IS AKATOSH. MARTIN ASCENDS TO AURIEL AND DELIVERS THE DRAGON CHAMPION TO DELIVER THE AMULET ONE MORE TIME.

ALL WHO ENTER SHEOGORATH'S REALM IS INSANE, THERE WILL NEVER BE A REPLACEMENT. YOU STILL GET JAILED AS THE KING, YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE THE WEATHER ONCE A DAY. YOU ARE INSANE IF YOU BELIEVED SHEOGORATH.

The Son of the Soul of Sithis enters the Sithis-shaped hole in the Four Corners of the House of Troubles.
Does he fill the gap? Does the madness of the Mad God retroactively drive Pelinal to Madness? Are there mountain lions in my basement?
We may know the answer.

Pelinel would slaughter vivec utterly and completely for defiling the heart of Shor. A Nord mistakenly compared the knight to Shor and Pelinel almost slew him for heresy. That night, Moths ate the Nord.

Bretons and Nords always looked comically stupid so I just stuck with Imperial.

Nerevarine crushed the heart of Lotkhan with weapons of Mer make. Nerevarine would wipe his ass with Pelinals helmet and toss his AIDs ridden homo body into the Padomaic sea

He stopped when someone explained they weren't elven furries but actually cats
he even apologized, the only time he ever did

So they’re not jews.

They are though, according to Tolkien himself

Nerevarine

Implying he wouldn't also join in on beating the fuck out of vivec

Incorrect. Consult the chart made by the one who made both

My point is that Nerevarine btfo Hircine and Almalexia and could have killed Vivec, but decided to let him sit and live as a pathetic bitch until the end of his days. He could have certainly obliterated Pelinal considering all this

Neravar is still a mortal, he's an exceptionally powerful magic warrior, but nowhere near the raw destruction of Pelinel.
Neravar fought the war with the Dwemer, Pelinel slaughtered the Aylieds singlehandedly and it's said he obliterated an elf temple so badly that the gods had to stitch the world back together.

They aren’t, I just highlighted how they aren’t. Taking quotes out of context and acting like a man who very infamously disliked allegory made everything into some kind of allegory is retarded when he very clearly shows that he took heavily from various mythologies.

Nerevar was mortal technically, sure. I'm talking about the Nerevarine though who canonically is immortal

so are the daedra weaker than all of these idiots?

Nerevarine is Nerevar reborn, and is a Prisoner (Avatar of the Greater Hoonding)
He makes way and cuts down Pelinal, easy.

That was a joke

out of context

He said the dwarves were very obviously like the jews, how do you explain this? All you have is your headcanon as rebuttal

This has to be a joke. Trinimac jobbed to Boethia. How is he near the top if he doesn't even exist anymore?

They get their ass kicked on the regular, though they cannot die.
Though it's debatable that this chart doesn't include everyone. Auri-el is pretty much stone dead, and some Daedra have around as much power as he did at his prime

Pelinel has killed many immortal elfs, some were even the children of gods from the previous kalpa. Their heads left their shoulders the same.

tranimac

trinimac & cheese

dbz tier powerscaling

If there is another reason why humans are the worse race in any fantasy setting, it's this.

Those were just "some" immortal elves, not the Nerevarine

Has it been disproven, though?
All said is truth, even truth said while the ape is laughing.
Trinimac was Aedra, his power was divorced from him.

He jobbed to elves and was sliced apart at the end of his tale, anon.
He most certain loses to a Hoonding Avatar

I'm just fucking with you. All Elder scroll protagonists serve Shor, everything they have done has been to serve sithis, Lorkan. If Neravar, Pelinel and the dragonborn walked into the bar they would probably attack each other and it would cancel out or they reload a save and go on adventures together.

What is Pelinal's stance on Argonians?

With you trying to say that someone noting similarity means they were the basis form them when there are much more clearer and obvious inspirations right there that fit with Tolkien’s MO for his writing. Not to mention the origin of the Dwarves fits much better as well given they were born by one of the major spirit entities/angels and aren’t ever seen as being chosen or special but rather just being a race to aid the other races. You’re basing all of this shit off of what is effectively one thing he said when asked as well as the context it was asked while ignoring everything else that is involved with the dwarves as a whole.

the sold him watered down skooma

I don't think he ever thought of them.

They serve ANU the Everything. Were they in service to LRKHAN, they would certainly not be shutting off every tower they see in order to prevent the coming AMARANTH

He clearly thought they were the master race

(And it is) said that he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein.

"O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him!" (And it was during) these fits of anger and nonsense that Pelinal would fall into the Madness, where whole swaths of lands were devoured in divine rampage to become Void, and Alessia would have to pray to the Gods for their succor, and they would reach down as one mind and soothe the Whitestrake until he no longer had the will to kill the earth in whole.

The only Elder Scrolls game I've played was Oblivion, but if I recall correctly Khajit are the N*ggers of Tamriel, right? Or was it the Atmer?

Altmer culture is the basis of Imperial culture which is the culture to all Man cultures lol.

Pelinal is not a Hero, anon. He is Shezzarine.
They are cut from different cloth.

Notably, Morihaus has claimed that Pelinal Whitestrake may return yet as a Fox

en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Adabal-a

Tolkien even said his dwarven language was based on hebrew

Yes the ancient Norse poem that tells the prophesied day when Ragnarok will come, very jewish indeed. Stop being fucking idiot.
tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Völuspá

Shor is also associated with theFox, one of the ancientAtmorananimal totems.

en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shor

He was gay, Whitestrake?

Your "ancient" Norse poems were all rewritten by Christian monks. lol

No, or yes. only if you're gay. There's many Pelinels, one was a terminator. if you're gay, then the next Pelinel in the time loop is gay.

Your cope has been noted and fails given the story and that specific list is a constant across multiple different stories including ones that were codified by those that weren’t as connected to the church. Also good job immediately going from “it’s headcanon” to “it’s unreliable”.

I do not know, but it would end in gay sex.

Talos is the strongest

Haha get fucked Mer. The Emperor of Mankind, the god king of all is Man.

Khajit? More like KhaJEET lmao

won't matter when the last tower falls and everything is reset anyway

I'm just going with what Tolkien said, all you're doing again is bringing up your own headcanon. Some names are taken from the poetic edda, that doesn't change what tolkien said about the language or the dwarves being obviously inspired by jews.

i-IT DOESN'T MATTER

Okay, Altmer scum. Calm down.

billions must cease to exist

Yep, that's why they're ganging up on him and trying to saw him out of heaven.
They won't succeed, of course, but man will still die in the process.

Wonder if there will be a mod that gives them a human shaped head?

head canon is showing that how the names he uses for all the dwarves and fucking Gandalf are taken from the poem

You’re really reaching for anything aren’t you

Some names are taken from the poetic edda, that doesn't change what tolkien said

It does especially given nothing else lines up with anything to do with Abrahamic mythology and aside from the language and comparison they are 95% fucking Northern European being taken directly from Norse mythology along with Elves. Just because you don’t know about LOTR or Norse mythology and are basing everything off of one quote doesn’t mean that they’re jews. It means you’re trying to force some schizo narrative.

You can seethe all you want, I'll go with what Tolkien said over you. What you're doing is pointless.

Your entire argument is based on one quote and you’re ignoring context and evidence to the contrary.

What you're doing is pointless

It’s not given you’re arguing from a place of ignorance and you know it which is why you’re unable to argue what I’ve said while you just appeal to authority and say “he said it so I’m right” while ignoring literally everything around it.

Oblivion this, oblivion that.
Waiting for Skyblivion, vanilla oblivion gameplay is too boring.

Do Not Go Gentle modlist on Skyrim is still the peak Bethesda experience.

Your entire argument is based on one quote

Wrong but even if it was it's more supporting evidence than yours, which is based on exactly nothing but vibes and feelings.
Btw
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuzdul

Khuzdul (pronounced [kʰuzˈdul]) is a fictional language created by J. R. R. Tolkien, one of the languages of Middle-earth, specifically the secret and private language of the Dwarves. He based its structure and phonology on Semitic languages, primarily Hebrew, with triconsonantal roots of words.

I'm sure you have some cope ready for this as well, because evidence doesn't deter you from spouting endless amounts of bullshit

it's the khajiit
90% of khajiit npcs are criminals or gypsies

Wrong

It’s not, you’ve only given one quote,

which is based on exactly nothing but vibes and feelings

So a poem, pointing out that dwarves come from Norse mythology and have nothing to do with Abrahamic mythology, as well as pointing out that the origin of the dwarves also has nothing to do with Abrahamic mythology are just vibes and feelings?

I'm sure you have some cope ready

Already gave an argument addressing this wiki warrior, and you just ignored it and are doubling down. Maybe look into Tolkien and the actual inspirations behind the setting instead of just listening to other retards talk about shit and take things out of context. That way you won’t embarrass yourself.

they're taken from northern mythology because...some names are from the poetic edda

Are you fucking serious? Holy shit you are as ignorant as I said lol. Look up who made Thor’s hammer, Odin’s spear, Freyr’s boar, and the cord that binds Fenrir. They’re from Norse mythology dipshit.

That's cool but it doesn't change anything about dwarves being clearly inspired by jews, as Tolkien himself stated.

Altmer are jews
Khajiit are gypsies
Dunmer are niggers

It does given you just tried saying they weren’t from Norse mythology meaning meaning that you know it matter but can’t argue it so you have to go back to saying “he said X so I’m right” while ignoring everything that proves you wrong.

In my c0da, you two are now action figures and you two are passionately kissing.
*mwah*
*mwah*

Yeah, that checks out. Down to the Dunmer enthusiastically practicing slavery and being xenophobic and violent cunts in their own homeland but then acting like perpetual victims outside of it.

Go argue with Tolkien directly if you want to claim jews weren't an inspiration for dwarves, don't get mad at me for quoting him.

they’re jews

get btfo

jews were an inspiration

Read up on the various mythologies before you argue this shit next time retard.

Sounds like Arabs more than blacks

It's cute how you're hiding behind semantics now because you never had anything of substance to say

FPBP

they’re jews because he said so and language

point out how he said they we’re similar in one aspect

point out how they’re closer to mythological dwarves and give sources

can’t argue

tries to deny sources

fails

has to move goalpost to cope

this is called out

claims it’s semantics to cope

So you consider having evidence which you can’t argue to be nothing? Of course you do. When you’re not repeating yourself you’re burying your head in the sand.

>tries to deny sources

>fails

Describes everything you've done up until now. Why are you still at it?

Stop talking about soulless Tolkienslop in my TES thread, you queers

no u

You have not been able to say how they’re jews beyond those two examples and one of the examples you give isn’t saying they’re jews or based on them but that they’re similar in one aspect. Meanwhile I’ve given you multiple examples of them being based on Norse dwarves and all you can do is just either deny that they’re from Norse mythology or ignore it all together. Stop being a child and accept you’re wrong.

Do they even have a choice at this point? So much of their power is invested in Nirn that they'd fall prey to the Daedra and just get absorbed into them in Oblivion without it

I would a khajiit.

This is so strange, you think giving one example of names being taken from Norse mythology means they can't be jews. Wouldn't that also make the reverse true, because I can take one example of their language being Hebrew, they can't be from Norse mythology?
Fantasy cratures can take inspiration from multiple things at once. In this case Tolkien explicitly stated the dwarves are "obviously" like jews, but you insist on denying this fact. Why?

They look cool man idk

This is so strange, you think giving one example of names being taken from Norse mythology means they can't be jews

No I also pointed out that they are literally creatures from Norse mythology and play a pivotal role in many tales and events which is what Tolkien drew from, but you continue to ignore that like the desperate child you are. Basically I have multiple stories and poems and all you have are one misconstrued quote and the language. That’s it.

Does UESP have a dark mode? My eyes are getting raped whenever I go there.

Tolkien said Dwarves are like jews, and you are getting angry at me over it for some reason.

He said they were similar in one aspect not that they were jews. But keep coping.

Tolkien is light fantasy. Light fantasy is toddler shit

couldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews?”

"in many ways" = "in one aspect"

Weird how things magically transform when you argue with someone who only cares about semantics and doesn't have a point

jobbed

he solo'd the gold tower because everyone else was shitting and farting in their braies. Not only proceeded to kill a demigod made specifically to kill him (after fighting his way to him), but was only killed by the rest of the ayylmao sorcerer kings after that exhaustion

Funny how he doesn’t say those many ways and you’re once again grasping at straws while I point out how they’re like the literal mythological creatures of the same name that every dwarf in LOTR gets their name from.

only cares about semantics

You’re literally arguing semantics right now, is all of this just projection? Are you just going apeshit because you don’t want to accept you spent over an hour repeating yourself just to end up wrong?

Funny how he doesn’t say those many ways

So what's your point? He was lying when he said this?

considering the thalmor want to destroy all existence to live with their gods or whatever, it's easy to see why he was made and sent back in time to stop them.

going by this logic with the thalmor, the other mer will probably attempt the same thing.

More like you’re trying to use what is effectively someone noticing a similarity and saying “yeah I can see that”. And using that to say that they are something when there is a very clear and obvious source which you have shown to be utterly ignorant of.

what is effectively someone noticing a similarity and saying “yeah I can see that”

So he didn't notice the dwarves' language was taken from Hebrew while he was writing it? He said they were similar "in many ways", how do you explain this without headcanon?

Martin Septim, Dragonborn and Nerevarine have done more to deactivate the towers than the Thalmor probably ever will so if that's the case Pelinal should have been sent back to take out the PCs of each game rather than all elves. Also Bosmer just want to fuck off inna woods and Dunmer actively embrace Lorkhan and thus wouldn't want reality to be destroyed.

I like how you know that you can’t argue for the quote so you have to jump to the language now in desperation. The quote specifically talks about them being driven from their homeland and not the language.

how do you explain this without headcanon

It’s funny how even after giving so many examples and sources you’re still crying headcanon.

You haven't refuted either point, about the language or the quote.

The quote specifically talks about them being driven from their homeland

That's only the first part of the quote, he then said there was clearly more than one similarity

Why do people say the Thalmor are trying to destroy the world? I thought they were just assholes.

how are blunt weapons in the remaster? a shield buff seems kind of lame compared to all the cool debuffs in the original

Crystal Law gets destroyed (offscreen) in Oblivion. White Gold is still present but whatever the Amulet of Kings was us gone. Snow Throat is the Nords, by the end of the game you've united them again one way or another and saved the tower.

I want to bite her garders hard

You haven't refuted either point

I did that here and you still have no counter, you just keep doubling down and repeating yourself while not being able to refute anything I have brought up. You even tried saying they were “an inspiration” to move the goalpost and when that was called out you cried semantics.

That's only the first part of the quote

No it was one quote which was extrapolated on in another quote from a separate interview you posted the quotes how do you not know this?

Throat of the world bleeding is a reference to the literal dragonbreak time rift on top of the mountain opening up and shitting Alduin back out. White Gold doesn't get deactivated in Oblivion, the Amulet of Kings and Dragonfires were made thousands of years after the tower and have nothing to do with it. The White Gold tower is still standing in Skyrim.

No it was one quote which was extrapolated on in another quote from a separate interview you posted the quotes how do you not know this?

More semantics. It doesn't change what he said at all.
Also your post isn't a refutation of anything, it doesn't refute what Tolkien said about dwarves being similar to jews at all, you're just saying they were also inspired by Norse mythology so I guess they can't be inspired by anything else

More semantics

That’s not semantics retard, I wasn’t arguing the meaning of the word just pointing out they weren’t the same quote which goes with what I said in that you were using one example from one quote.

Also your post isn't a refutation of anything, it doesn't refute what Tolkien said about dwarves being similar to jews at all

It does given you’re not arguing they’re similar you’re arguing that they are jews. But good job trying to move the goal post again. Going to cry that this is semantics despite the fact I’m not arguing meaning?

They have a chance to do silence at expert now

you’re not arguing they’re similar you’re arguing that they are jews

This was my first post about this

Worth noting that Tolkien thought of jews when designing the dwarves

I didn't say they were literally exactly like jews. You're now just putting words in my mouth because you realize the thing you're arguing for is retarded, so you have to retreat to a weaker claim

Based purely on in-game information, it's difficult to say their goal is anything more than conquering territory and putting mankind back in its place. Going off of other sources, though, yeah, a good way of summarizing it would be that they want to restore their divinity and be "top dogs" again. I don't know if one interpretation, or one set of sources, is better than the other.

It should also be known that a good portion of the lore anons are spouting in these threads are one of several things;

head canon

made up lore on the wiki that wasn't true to begin with and then everyone started parroting it

literal cope because it goes against their favorite race

Towers in general get a lot of bullshit made up about them.
Check here;

reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/gwy1yx/why_you_should_always_check_sources_the_curious/

Yes, I know. "REDDIT REEEE FUCK YOU" but it's one of the more accurate sources of misinformation I can find with actual proof.

This was my first post about this

And you went deeper into it and said this , this is you saying they are jews and saying that Tolkien agrees

I didn't say they were literally exactly like jews

Once again moving the goalpost to try and cover your ass when up until this point you made no other clarifications like this.

Anything past Adept is gonna be subpar unless you abuse magic or enchanting. That's just how difficulty works in Oblivion and it's fucking dog shit. Basically as someone said 15+ years ago, "To have fun in Oblivion, you need to break the game, no longer making it fun"
And Adept itself, anything is good.

So are you playing Adept or Expert or Master?

You said "they aren't jews", which I naturally took as shorthand for "they aren't inspired by jews", because it's what you said in response to my initial claim. If your argument was that they were indeed inspired by jews, why did you argue against what I said in the first place? Again you can only hide behind semantics because you have nothing else, your intial argument that jews have nothing to do with dwarves can't be defended anymore

I've never played Skyrim. How do weapon enchantment recharges work?

In morrowind, over time they would recharge/recharge quickly if you rest, but you could also use crystals with souls to recharge them quickly. In vanilla Oblivion, you had to use crystal method to recharge them.

you replenish them with filled soul gems

naturally took as shorthand for "they aren't inspired by jews

In no way is that natural, I would have said inspired if I meant inspired and you’re once again reaching for anything you can to save face.

because you have nothing else, your intial argument that jews have nothing to do with dwarves

When did I say that? Post the reply. The irony is that you’re putting words I my mouth because you have nothing else. Is it all just projection?

Why did you argue against this If you already agreed that Dwarves were inspired by jews? Furthermore why did you say "they aren't Jews" when that post never said they were exactly 100% like Jews, if that's how you interpret the sentence?

expert but i restarted after trivializing the game with alchemy

So I didn’t say the jews had nothing to do with it and you’re putting words in my mouth like I said. Good job showing you’re projecting like I said.

Furthermore why did you say "they aren't Jews"

So from me saying that you got, “they have nothing to do with jews” amazing how you keep making such desperate leaps all to convince yourself you aren’t wrong.

they were exactly 100% like Jews

I like how you’ve gone all in on changing the argument thinking I’m not going to call that shit out. So it’s now like and not are.

Then Melee is still viable, but you're gonna need to start making weapons with Weakness to Magic, Weakness to specific element, specific element, abord / drain health. Etc. Which means you're gonna need to learn all of those magic schools and have enough magic to cast them so you can create those enchantments.
If you were playing Master, I'd tell you just to play Magic and make busted overpowered spells to one-shot everything.

This is blatant pilpul
If you agree they are inspired by jews we agreed on pretty much everything from the get go, yet you still got angry and argued against my initial post. Why? What did you find objectionable about it?

kirk lore, elves want to destroy the towers, but the empire is in the way. Destroying the towers will destroy mundus.

Oh and at this point, I'd suggest only playing Breton Altmer since magicka is kinda annoying to get. Also choose Mage birth. Then you can get magic crafting earlier, which means enchanting earlier. Also enemy damage goes pretty hard on Expert past like level 10 so Breton 50% magic resistance is pretty good early on. Even more so once you start hitting the Oblivion portals. At that point, 100% Magic Resistance is almost mandatory on Expert and Master.

strawman fails

starts using jew words

You just can’t accept you lost eh moshe? You’re going to delude yourself anyway so why waste time trying to convince me when you know it won’t work.

If you agree they are inspired by jews

That’s not your argument you said they were jews and when you tried to say you interpreted it as inspired you were called out and didn’t try to defend it and instead tried to argue what I meant and now that that has failed you’re just trying to deflect away.

but those guys still will keep reality existing if shit goes bad, where the thalmor's goal is to end it.

the dwemer no doubt attempted something similar, but they just nonexisted themselves. the dunmmer worth daedra that may lead to the same outcome as the thalmor.

holy based
/thread

That’s not your argument

That's my initial post that you got angry at. You can only argue about semantics, still

b-but you techncally used a different wording

Again the first post I made didn't use that wording, I said Tolkien thought of jews when designing dwarves, not that they were 100% similar. That's the post you took issue with. What was the problem with what I said if you agree dwarves were inspired by jews? Are you going to dodge answering this for the third time?

breton is too easy. 15 minutes after I got mundane ring on breton I said “ok this is boring now” and rerolled high elf so I’d at least have some weakness and took lord because it’s new and I wanted to be unarmored for 100% magic effectiveness and rely entirely on alteration for armor. the armor bonus from blunt was why I was considering it in the first place, but the cap is still 85 so it just seems a little pointless over just going blade

That's my initial post that you got angry at

Which contradicted by saying they were jews, but keep trying to ignore everything that proves you wrong while using tonal policing and other logical fallacies.

b-but you techncally used a different wording

More like trying to change your argument entirely but nice cope. I can see you know you’ve lost now.

not that they were 100% similar

You said they were jews when I said they weren’t, get over yourself and stop trying to pick and choose.

Then yeah, just go blade. The cap is still 85 making it pointless. And Silence is mostly pointless too because mages either die the second you get up to them or they switch to melee anyway.

You said they were jews when I said they weren’t

Yeah and that's interesting by itself, why did you say "they aren't jews" when my initial post never claimed they were 100% carbon copies of jews, as if that's a counter argument to what I initially posted? That's why I interpreted your post as shorthand for "tolkien never thought of jews when making dwarves", instead of arguing semantics. If that's not the point you were making, what were you even disagreeing about?

Why did you say they were if it was against your argument? You keep trying to deflect but it all leads back to this. It’s over you fucked up, get over it and learn from you mistakes so you don’t do it again.

So you actually agreed with what I said and this entire argument was you nitpicking and trying to "win" over semantics? Holy fuck dude, jews are something else

every fantasy story does this

retard alert

cant argue

just gives strawman and pretends he didn’t say they were jews

was you nitpicking and trying to "win"

If you need to tell yourself that fine, but that is more akin to what you have been doing given you keep trying to pick and choose what you did and didn’t say.

Trying to nitpick over exact phrasing is the lowest form of argument

More like you saying something that goes against your alleged argument and then pretending you didn’t. Also noticed how you tried calling me a jew when I called you out as one already. But I see you’re down to “no u” again.

No, I noticed you were a jew long before that, hence i called you out on using pilpul which is a form of jewish argumentation. You initially tried to argue dwarves weren't inspired by jews at all, then when you realized you couldn't you settled for endlessly arguing about semantics, and trying nitpick the exact phrasing of the post, even if the meaning of that post should be obvious in the context of the discussion

Be pelinal

Trying to practice sneak attacks instead of chivalrous face to face combat

You sneak attack backstabbed X/Y for 1x damage

ARRRGH!, HMPGH! ARGH!, HMMMPH!!! WOARGH!!!!

"Wtf lol"

ARRRRGH!!!!, HMPH!!!!!, WOAARRRGH!!!!

"Uh..."

Look at dagger

Didnt apply any poison effects

Target still screaming

ARRRRRGH!, HUMPFTH!, GOARGH!!!!!

Look closely at target

Hes holding his ass

You stabbed him directly in the asshole

Such is life in cyrodiil.

So now you’re just abandoning the argument all together to say how I’m a jew which is just as hominem.

using pilpul

Funny how you know jewish words and know the meaning of them.

You initially tried to argue dwarves weren't inspired by jews at all

No I was arguing they weren’t jews and you disagreed and said they were. If that wasn’t what you were arguing you would have corrected me there and not post hoc.

settled for endlessly arguing about semantics

More like you kept trying to change the argument and back pedal while I was calling you out.

and trying nitpick

You literally just tried to do this yourself with your own argument just to pretend you didn’t say dwarves were jews.

that post should be obvious in the context of the discussion

Ah yes the cope where you try to say something is common sense but can’t actually back it up. And I know you can’t because you tried using this when I called out that you said they were jews before and all you could say was you interpreted it as me saying they weren’t inspired only for that to get called out and for you to abandon it. Seriously how are you such a worm? You can’t stick to one thing or address your own bullshit when it’s called out.

no precise source given

Funny how you know jewish words and know the meaning of them.

Of course I do, it's important to know the means by which jews try to subvert and control, i learned about pilpul from a Anon Babble screencap which linked to an article written by a jew explaining how jews manipulate people by using this method

No I was arguing they weren’t jews and you disagreed and said they were. If that wasn’t what you were arguing you would have corrected me there and not post hoc.

I wasn't interested in discussing semantics or looking for cheap gotchas, I was wondering why you disagreed with my initial post (which never claimed jews were exactly like dwarves) and let the post stand to not get bogged down in pointless bickering. Now I realize that's all you were interested in arguing about, because you were using pilpul.

Of course I do, it's important to know the means by which jews try to subvert and control

Or because you are one and you’re now trying to accuse me of being one in an attempt to invalidate what I’ve said since you know that people don’t like jews here. Which is an extremely judaic tactic given Anon Babble is at least 50% psyop threads to fuel outrage and perpetuate a boogeyman.

I wasn't interested in discussing semantics

If I disagreed why did you say they were jews? Because that’s what I was arguing and what you keep hiding from. You keep trying to backpedal over and over but that won’t change that you posted they are jews and argued against me instead of correcting me and only changed tune after you were shown that I was right about the dwarves being based off dwarves in Norse mythology which itself was after you tried to deny it and embarrassed yourself showing your ignorance on both LOTR and Norse mythology.

40k is dumb. Go away.

that's fucking based

Because that’s what I was arguing and what you keep hiding from

No it clearly wasn't, if it was why did you argue against the inital post I made, which never claimed dwarves were 100% identical to jews? It's clear from this context you were trying to argue the inspiration was 100% Norse mythology. It's possible for the inspiration to be both jews and Northern Europe, yet you tried to argue as if it was a zero sum game and some names being from the poetic edda meant jews couldn't be a source of inspiration.

Which is an extremely judaic tactic given Anon Babble is at least 50% psyop threads to fuel outrage and perpetuate a boogeyman.

More pilpul, trying to argue warning people about jews is judaic now. "The real jews are the ones fighting back against the jews"

No it clearly wasn't

I wasn’t arguing that dwarves weren’t jews? Even though I said it outright when you asked “so what” to which you replied that they were.

which never claimed dwarves were 100% identical to jews?

You said they were jews, period, stop with the bullshit.

It's clear from this context you were trying to argue the inspiration was 100% Norse mythology

No, you’re saying that because you can’t argue that you didn’t say they were jews and so have to create this strawman based on you feelings and vibes in order to hide that fact.

More pilpul, trying to argue warning people about jews is judaic

Because you’re not warning about jews you’re using people’s preexisting hatred of them so you can say I am one and invalidate what I’m saying. Which is a common jewish tactic. Another common jewish tactic is talking in circles and repeating yourself in an attempt to tire and confuse your opponent so they make mistakes and you have been doing that for a good hour while avoiding the argument all together. At this point you’re not even arguing the topic, you’re arguing about the argument. Which you only started doing after you failed to move the goalpost.

All elves and beast races must die.

Even the Imga?

At this point you’re not even arguing the topic, you’re arguing about the argument

That's what you did, by switching from arguing about the initial claim, to focusing entirely on semantics. Incredible that you turn this on me now, because I followed you in your line of argumentation.
And your framing is retarded either way, even if I said they were jews as a short hand to not get bogged down in semantics, that's still not me saying they were exclusively inspired by jews, or that no part of them was remotely inspired by Norse mythology. You're only repeating this over and over because it's your only argument, a cheap shitty gotcha because you couldn't argue the main point.

Only Skyrimfags say dumb shit like this.

no u

Seriously why is this what you default to?

by switching from arguing about the initial claim

Once again repeating shit that has already been covered, if you weren’t arguing they were jews you wouldn’t have said it and would have corrected me then and there instead of waiting till you lost.

Incredible that you turn this on me now, because I followed you in your line of argumentation

Not really turning anything just pointing out what you’re doing and you seem incapable of arguing it or actually refuting what I’ve been saying about you being a jew trying to blame me in order to hide the fact that you’re wrong.

And your framing is retarded either way, even if I said they were jews as a short hand to not get bogged down in semantics

Oh really? Because you said before that you interpreted it as me saying “inspired” so good job changing your narrative again like that.

You're only repeating this over and over

Again “no u” only shows that you know you can’t argue and have to project your failure onto me. Like I said before it’s over, you lost, learn and move on.

if you weren’t arguing they were jews you wouldn’t have said it

My initial post didn't even say "they were jews" yet you took issue with it anyway, proving that wasn't your main issue with what i am saying

Because you said before that you interpreted it as me saying “inspired” so good job changing your narrative again like that.

Damn you have 0 reading comprehension, there's no changing of narrative there, you argued against my initial post which said tolkien thought of jews when making dwarves, implying that was your issue with what I said, and I accepted that's what it was in order to not get bogged down in semantics
This changes nothing about the main argument, you claimed dwarves weren't jews at all which they clearly are to some extent, you're now just interpreting my post to mean "dwarves were 100% inspired by jews and nothing else", which I never said anyway

My initial post

Once again you repeat the same about you not saying something initially but then saying it later and acting like it didn’t happen. That is called backpedaling. And it’s usually done when you can’t argue or stand by something which you have said.

Damn you have 0 reading comprehension, there's no changing of narrative there

And yet you said nothing about reading comprehension when I called it out before. Just another sign you’re pulling copes out of your ass whenever you get called out and that everything you’re saying is on the fly and has no actual thought put into it.

implying that was your issue with what I said

Not implying anything, I said what I thought and you said what you thought. That only changed after you failed to argue and now you’re trying desperately to change your argument to save face as I have already stated.

accepted that's what it was in order to not get bogged down in semantics

Once again repeating the same thing that was already refuted like I said. Way to prove me right yet again.

drops calling me a jew or defending that he isn’t a jew

Yeah not a good sign. Especially when you were the one that started saying it. Funny how you say you care about making people aware only to drop the topic completely when things don’t go your way.

Your post is borderline incoherent, I have no idea what you're trying to say here

And yet you said nothing about reading comprehension when I called it out before. Just another sign you’re pulling copes out of your ass whenever you get called out and that everything you’re saying is on the fly and has no actual thought put into it.

Also of course I wont call you a jew every post because it's implied at this point, I've already demonstrated you used pilpul instead of engaging in discussion, which you seem to be attempting to do with this nearly indecipherable post
Your only contention with anything I said is that I used a shorthand when replying to you and said "they are jews" rather than specifically saying "they are inspired by jews". Everything I said still stands, you haven't actually refuted any of the points I made you just used a cheap shitty, kike gotcha by focusing purely on semantics and going "but you didn't use this EXACT phrasing". Your argument still has no substance whatsoever, you even conceded dwarves were inspired by jews long ago so at this point you're just arguing for the sake of it.

They wouldn’t let kirkbride publish that fact but yes he confirmed he loves having sex with boys and this gets cured when he dies somehow

The cats say they're Mer, so I believe them.

now kiss, faggots

Your post is borderline incoherent

It’s not, this is just another tactic you’re using to invalidate what I’m saying without actually arguing. Imaging having to ad hominem text.

Also of course I wont call you a jew every post because it's implied at this point

It wasn’t but I see you’re using headcanon. Not to mention you didn’t try to argue anything I’ve said and now you have abandoned everything about the previous argument all together just to attempt to defend yourself on a topic you abandoned.

I've already demonstrated you used pilpul instead of engaging in discussion

You didn’t, you just used your jew word and then made a bunch of baseless accusations only to stop when called out and the. Start again only being called out for stopping.

Your only contention with anything I said is that I used a shorthand

That’s your only contention given it’s the only thing you’re using to say how actually say they were jews which fails because you tried saying something else before and it failed as well.

rather than specifically saying "they are inspired by jews"

Which is extremely odd given that that is not the same and you didn’t try to argue otherwise until after you failed to argue that they were jews. But you know that and are just hoping you can bullshit your way to the end of the thread.

Everything I said still stands, you haven't actually refuted any of the points

I have, if you mean I haven’t refuted the points in your new argument that you’re trying to use to save face then i suppose that is true but that’s only because you know that I won’t since that isn’t what I’m arguing.

kike gotcha by focusing purely on semantics

The irony of this is for the last hour you have been arguing semantics since you have done nothing but cry about meaning and say how you actually meant something different than what you said only to fail and circle back when that fact gets called out. You’ve lost heeb, get over it.

It's funny, you criticized me earlier for engaging in meta conversation but this entire post is a meta argument, about you being angry that I didn't call you a jew enough times or other similar nonsense. You're a fucking retard dude.

for no reason

Killing furrys makes him the true tamrielic hero

gives up

cries that I’m angry again

has to post jew to compensate due to being called out

The best part about this is that you couldn’t refute a single point I have said now or before and are just going for a gotcha. Which is what you said I was doing. Projection seems to be all you are able to do well.

You're a fucking retard dude

Says the kike that has been going in circles for hours over the most basic shit. I’m assuming you’re going to post again covering what I’ve said in the post above while pretending you’re not the one I’m replying to now to cope.