[Sad News] Kazuma Kaneko fell for the AIslop meme

Kazuma Kaneko (60), famous artist that worked in the Megami Tensei series (37), has been taken over by the AIslop meme. How the mighty have fallen. A hero that gave us many good designs over the years, we will remember him for his good deeds rather than his bad.

Grim.

KWAB

This can't be real

The slop supernova blackhole is imminent. There is no escape. These might genuinely be the last few years of artful media we get.

Idunn be legging

Japanese artists are somehow more miserable and paid worse than western artists. Let him grift in peace. He's earned it.

Hypnos? Oh yeah, the three legged club dicked motherfucker?

the advertising was retarded

we ethically trained a model wholly on original art by him

but it's just a fucking basic ass lora(or equivalent) on an outdated stable diffusion checkpoint. not to mention they talked about how they recursively trained on generations making it even worse

*Wins*

So they trained the model using outputs from previously trained model. Very smart. Let's take low quality output and feed it back to the ai for training, what could go wrong.

Hilarious squatting pose aside, Idunn's hands are completely fucked.

This is a REALLY fucking good game, honestly better than slay the spire
Music on par with smt4

that's [Good News], it's rare for someone so aged to embrace the glorious future AI brings, a lot of times they fall into the pit of fear and anger with the other luddite fools denouncing beneficial technology

and guy with the third leg is literally me

I dont care

its a game? whats the name

Kaneko

paid poorly

Doesn't he wear fucking designer clothes? Unless he's starving himself to get it but he's not a shriveled husk so I don't think so.

Are these the nfts we've known for years? Why the ragebait

The sad part is that there are cumbrains here that genuinely believe what you're saying, so I really can't tell if you're baiting or retarded.

The Kaneko you worship is dead.

AI scammers that convince artists to sign over all their rights to train dogshit models that produce piss, are barely a step above Ranjeet in Delhi getting an old granny to part with her pension and life savings in Google gift cards.

I'm so glad I started learning Japanese six years ago, my backlog now is near infinite and it doesn't look like I'll be missing much from whatever new stuff gets made...

For what purpose? What's the end goal?

kino

Both Doi and Kaneko are among my favorite artists in the industry. I wish they could work together on SMT.

Click on thread thinking I'm gonna see AIjeets everywhere

It's mostly people shitting on AIslop

Thank fucking god the jew + pahjeet + coomer psyop to try to paint anti-AIslop as a leftist position failed, bros
I was genuinely scared it would succeed for a few months there

I assume they're trying to game the gacha system.
Kaneko gets paid royalties, and doesn't have to drawn. And if something happens to him the company can still pump out new shit.

Do you want to build a snowman?

India's busy being in the middle of a war right now anon. They can't hurt you anymore.

It's dreadful that the contemporary RW took an anti-art position in general. Meanwhile many of the RW POIs in the past were very interested in/admired art, or were artists themselves.

Are these fucks still using ponyslop or even earlier models? No recent model can generate slop this bad unless it's on purpose.

That looks awful we're still not at the point yet where we can replicate artists 1:1 with AI pic related was trained using the best open source model we have atm (Flux) and its still prone to mistakes and issues, not only that but his style is ultra distinct and unique good lock telling an AI to interpret some ancient obscure god/deity to draw it in his style with his flourishes when it only knows shapes and patterns and works off of that

No wonder there were no AIslop apologists here, then

I'm sorry I doubted you.

AI only exists for me to coom.
Once I've nutted I don't want to see a goddamn genslop at all.

I hope they get flushed.

This and shitposting memes
I will never pay a single cent for any AIslop of any kind albeit

Corpos getting greedy and grabbing fun technology to get uppity with it. Not on my watch.

Sure, but the best AI memes were when it was new and would come up with the weirdest shit.

lol uh-uh totally just trained on kaneko art

jesus finger penises

allow mobile company to use his work to train their AI for their mobile gacha

Could be worse, but what the fuck happened to his integrity. Is it because of money?

It wasn't really the quality of his art but his designs that were a huge part of SMT/Persona. So much that it was obvious when he stepped down after SJ. Even if Doi's quality improved since then, most of his designs are a lot more conventional compared to the absolute retard shit Kaneko would sometimes come up with.

What the fuck happened to the poor guy? Aged 25+ years in 10...like 800 lilim sucked the soul clean off his bones

Doi won
Doi board

Kaneko is controversial to say the least and I'm not entirely sure what I think of him, but I honestly miss how quirky and stupid his older demons were because there probably wasn't any pressure to make anything super marketable since it was a fairly niche series back then. He played it safe plenty of times too and made some boring designs, but it feels like some of the quirkiness is gone from a lot of the newer demons. Sure, some of the recent designs are pretty cool in their own right, but a lot of them are too safe and predictable. I'd like to see silly or more abstract demons again.

So are these randomly generated each time you obtain one?

Grannies have the excuse that they're tech illiterate. But these guys are rich and have 0 reason to fall this low except laziness and being greedy. Just more reason to stay with indie artists for me.

Yeah.

Is it because of money?

what else would it be? nigga is getting old, he needs his retirement money at the ready

retired or semi-retired former nipponese gaming industry celebrity comes back and reveals himself to be a massive hack

feels like I've heard this story a million times already

A majority of older Japanese devs didn't really get into the industry because they loved video games, they just had a certain skill set like being a good artist, programmer or musician and video games were one of the best options for them to make money at the time. Developers like Sakurai are rare all things considered.

Ai is good for concepting the problem is that people get too focused on generating the final image just how they want it and don't get down and do the actual work. You're supposed to use it as a force multiplier not as your replacement
It's the same exact situation as when substance painter and the first quixel textured came out nowadays you expect to go at a faster pace due to the tools available things like retopology which used to have specialized programs are now reserved for hero assets and in a lot of cases pajeets can't be assed but in the right hands you become incredibly productive

T.texture artist

This fuck technology! SUPPORT ARTISTS CHUDS!!

Well that's kind of the issue in this modern age. The version being sold to people isn't a tool, it's a crutch. They don't want to make their own work, they want to tell a computer to do it. And that's the product being sold, leading to a stigmatization of the tech as a whole because of grifters and people like Kaneko buying into the scam.

a bunch of e-warriors who have never contributed anything of artistic value want to criticize a legendary artist like Kaneko

You don't get a voice. Shut the fuck up and go back to masturbating to furries.

They lied the moment they called it ethical AI because they announced the game was using stable diffusion.

How do you excuse the fact he marketed his game on a lie?

I can't do anything but lol.

slop is good now

That's unironically a good thing. It's because people making games in the 90's all had different backgrounds that games used to be so fresh.

slop is le bad

bad slop is bad
bad art is bad

These might genuinely be the last few years of artful media we get.

I sure hope so

You don't get a voice. Shut the fuck up and go back to masturbating to furries.

but I can do both

desu the best thing they did was just bring in a bunch of toku artists to do guest art in their own style rather than trying to 1:1 replace kaneko
i mean there is a massive gap between procedural textures and clients trying to wholesale replace the design process with slop output

these aren't ai right?

bad art is miles ahead of any slop. the worst artist is more valuable than all the slopjeets in india

the anime one has very clear slop artifacting get your eyes checked

inconsistent amount of toes on the froge

qrd? Anon Babble is usually filled with disinfo agents who post intentionally misleading material, what's the actually story here?

image on the left took a nuclear power plant worth of energy consumption and some retard typing nonsense words for 10 minutes

the image on the right took about 10 minutes in an image editor of choice

That's mainly my issue.

jumping straight out of the water

no water slashing up

frog isn't wet

not even sure if frogs can jump straight out of water

Where's my hand crafted shota octo demon.....

It baffles me when a professional artist is outed for using AI and they always use the most OBVIOUSLY slapped together shit like they're using Stable Diffusion 1.5 from 3 years ago. It's so easy so make halfway decent stuff on your own PC now that I'm wondering if they're just suffering from a terminal case of being a boomer.

sorry i don't want to zoom in 100x to notice a small defect

Kaneko promoted his game as the first one using "ethical AI". An AI only trained on his new artwork for the game.
However he's using a stable diffusion model which he ignorantly does not know how to use. So not only does he not know you can't train any stable diffusion model to be original, he was also feeding it's own gens back into itself so it's making the most ugly shit imaginable.

In less than 24 hours people were getting Superman and Elsa out of his "ethical AI".
Basically he lied.

That's the exact same situation we were in when substance was starting to become the industry standard before that you'd be given about 3weeks per asset usually you'd get a chance to do 3 passes on that timeframe but then suddenly a single dude could pull out a fully textured assets at about 80pct of what you could do with years of experience and a huge texture library stash and he could do it in about half a day's work.
Now some random comer can out perform most concept artists unless they're like really niche and even then. It's just the pace of technology you gotta learn to use the new tools. I certainly don't miss painting face textures by hand in photoshop but I'd do it for a hero asset

Who's hand is that coming around from Mega Man's back?

Bro wtf are those ai images ohnononono

fucking idiot, he better be blacklisted from the games industry now

I really think it was just a matter of incompetence rather then lying or scamming.

To be fair he ripped off Batman in a bunch of things he actually drew already.

The team he was working with Colopl has been working with AI for a while so they knew full well he was lying. Here is the article about them bragging about the stable diffusion they use from back in December:
itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/2412/11/news121.html

They helped him train the model so they knew what it was pulling from. Kaneko is probably a 60 year old bumbling dipshit playing around with a new toy, but the company needs to answer for trying to sell their game on "ethical AI".

Couldn't he just like, download a model off of Civit and tell everyone to fuck off because they were trained off of his images anyways?

oh no. an artist is using art tools. sound the alarm.

This is really, really funny.

AI in general is a just glorified data scrapper. It's always going to do this. Just like if you use it for court documentation it will make shit up rather than cite actual court precedent.

So are people generating these images using his AI or are they premade assets that he unironically approved to put in the game.

art tools

you mean snake-oil, literally a scam, with no use case, tools promoted by disingenuous hacks, surely?

This is how the game works. Also to top it off all the game's backgrounds are AI generated too. It's not just the cards you play with using AI. And that most certainly was using media outside of his own artwork because Kaneko has never been a scenery/background artist.

making troons sad is already a use case

Tracing by literally tracing over the image

:)

Tracing using a computer

:(

The things he actually drew for the game look more appealing than the random ones.

that's not tracing and neither is generative AI

that's a really cool illustration more artists should do that

Don't google Greg Land or Gene Simmon's son.

AIIIIIIIIIIIIIE SAVE ME ROB LIEFELD!

That Idunn

Okay I laughed

maybe thats why these guys are scared of ai, they dont want to have to learn a new thing and make mistakes again.

KWAB

I miss talk to transformer.

Now post something drawn properly compared to the dogshit you see in a dalle thread.

This is ugly, I don’t like it.

Doichads vindicated

This is genuinely disgraceful. What a fucking embarrassment.

What is the gameplay like

cringe

Him being a hack now doesn't mean he was a hack back then. People just lose their spark. Happens all the time.

Can't we just ask Doi to draw women only and hire some other dude to draw male gods and demons?

I never doubted Doi.

Like every over card battle rouge-like out there.

Anon they're all fighting in a war right now, of course they don't have time to defend AI slop

Nah, we do get a voice. Slop is slop, no matter who peddles it.

No because Onyankopon is a great male design from Doi. As is Yakumo and the Prime Minister.

Soejimabros... Doibros... we won

Great, the jeets have arrived.

double down draw drones

nigga with a third leg

dagdas fucking feet fusing with his legs as well as having weird ass squid hair.

Idunn is literally just some bitch squatting in the moonlight

Parvati is the best looking one but its barely towing the line at being anything like the source material.

Kaneko man please ffs just keep drawing, people will respect you more for it.

yasudafriends.......

Not a psyop, the right tends to think if the left is completely against something they need to be for it just to be contrarian. Some of them are really stupid enough to think politics is like cheering for your favorite sports team (mainly americans).

Apologize to Doi. Now.

I can't tell if he got grifted into believing that there would be some AI model that would look at like 200 drawings of his and somehow be able to make whole new characters out of that, or if he thought everyone else would be stupid enough to believe it.

God, I hope these AIfags start encroaching on obvious IP thievery of big corporations and the worst people start fighting each other.

Why is he using a shitty old Stable Diffusion version instead of the new AI sloppa stuff which has actual good art?

God, I hope these AIfags start encroaching on obvious IP thievery of big corporations

You don't want that to happen. Legislation that cracks down on IP theft from AI will just eventually be used to fuck over everyone else. We'll have copyright laws like Japan does or worse everywhere else and theirs are already pretty brutal. People working on AI will find a work around, people who make fanart can't.

zeus

but it's actually poseidon

y-you're too powerful Kaneko-sama

200 drawings of his

I doubt he used more then 20

I hate whatever you call that weird-lip art style anyways. It attracts faggots like flies to trash. I hope everyone who draws it catches fire.

I think we should've had rescued him from that "flower" field.

meanwhile zeus is a god of the underworld in persona q

Kaneko left Atlus in 2023 and joined mobile developer Colopl, and after a few years of silence, their first game together is now revealed. Tsukuyomi: The Divine Hunter is a dungeon-crawling roguelike in which you participate in battles with "Jinma cards" in an effort to conquer a structure called the Steel Tower.

One of the biggest new mechanics in the game is something known as the AI Kaneko System, which creates brand-new cards with AI-generated artwork based on your actions in-game, like deciding whether to help NPCs or not or your battle history. Players will be able to upload their AI-generated cards, with popular ones being turned into actual cards down the line.

Fucking lol. I thought he was just messing around in his free time but these godawful abominations are supposed to be a draw for his new game? What a disaster.

Big corpos already use AI. They won't do shit

I just want the legislation to be something like "AI companies have to now document the entire data sets they use and if you use AI and try to commercialize it, you need to pay 60% of your money through residuals to everyone that is part of the dataset"

Then that would force the AI developers to try to develop the technology so that they can single out which elements they are sourcing, which would make the residuals cheaper for the AI sloppas but more specific.

I hate both.

The funniest part of this whole thing is the AI is supposed to be a false god in the game's story as his commentary on a real artist vs a fake one (AI).

See how stupid AI is? I trained it with my own artwork and it makes shit!

AI starts making Elsa from Frozen

You can train AI on AI generated images that were generated using AI generated dataset that were generated using (ad nauseum).
Or the generic looking AI slop that's exctraction of what AI considers "masterpiece" or whatever out of entirety of a booru website.

At some point it just becomes impossible to track.

tumblr and twitter artists deserve AI

You are thinking about manga artists and animators.
Illustrators are fine.

the leftmost one is just a failgen lmao what the fuck

maybe if artists were doctors they could demand technology slow down so they can continue to milk their profession. but they didnt become doctors.

Anti-AI metanarrative in AIslop

So... Who is the game aimed at?

Yeah, but non-twitter and non-tumblr media consumers like me don't

And it made Elsa multiple times. Tons of people keep getting Frozen cards.

I ran out of energy beating up everyone I could find who used generative AI to goon for free. I don't have any energy left for people who actually want to profit from it.

Kaneko has some really horrible sameface syndrome but I still think it's hot.

this is Parvati

wtf lol I thought this was supposed to be some Norse Goddess like Freyja or some shit. Kind of a neat idea to have braids as part of the dress, but the fact it's Anna McFrozen is just hilarious and depressing at the same time. Can they actually get in trouble for this? I also know the game has a problem matching aesthetics to certain gods i.e. making a bunch of Japanese-looking people for European deities.

At what point does the AI get the equivalent of prion disease from feeding it it's own output so often?

If he isn't enjoying the process of making art anymore, maybe he should just stop and find something else to do.

I was about to go to sleep but then I thought one more thread
fug

could say that about all the people who whine about ai hurting their patreon. clearly they dont do it for their own enjoyment.

you anti-AI trannies are so annoying, always trying to cancel everyone who doesn't confirm to your wokeshit "ethics"

Once I've nutted I don't want to see a goddamn genslop at all.

the fact that you can coom to AI at all means you are not immune to liking aislop
you can screencap your own post and look at it again in a few years to prove me right.

I'm going to AIice

Stop spamming pajeet
Go die in pakistan

AtlASS game art looks like faggot shit. Only makes sense the artist for this shit turns out to be a scamming, lying, AIslop peddling nip

Her top being erotic doesn't change the legs being retarded

Stop being a footfag, as long as her pussy works what's the problem?

Are you retarded? I want less legs on a mermaid, not more.

Ganesha-sama...!

if you're not well versed in tech it's insanely hard to get into it
it's hard for old people to get what's happening, and third worlders can't afford GPUs, so they end up on shitty online genning services
but yeah something made on newer models would obliterate these

trunkhead

Japs are always 10 years behind in tech, so you can safely guess they used the most primitive AI model

Mermaid... ToT

This. People don't give enough credit to the one hit wonders, let alone the people that put in good work for decades before getting washed.

Artists should know when to quit.
If they keep at it just for the money and riding on their name alone that outs them as greedy assholes without respect for the audience

Post more funny cards

Hack gets exposed

Good. He was in it for the money.

Kaneko went to work with kusopure

grim

bravo kaneko-san!

Actually the concept is interesting, I like how the face is the trunk stretching to another head, but it looks sloppily executed here

my dick is as big as Hypnos third leg

in their own ways they're both slop

in their own ways they're both slop

Exactly. Leftist "art" is trash and AI "art" is trash, just for different reasons.

what am i looking at

ai generated pussy window on a skirt