Why can't conservatives make a good game...

another self-insert pandering shitfest

I sleep.

All the greatest art in history including games such as pic related were made by leftists.

That's a straight up delusion

i love mel gibsons passion of the christ video game
i just did a jew playthrough

Conservatives tend to be dumber overall, less reflective, less open to improving and/or changing.

t. Engineer with multiple degrees and regularly deals with contractors.

Just curious: what are they "fixing" exactly?

I assume they mean modern conservativism which is for rich people being asshole and fucking over others and lobbyists.

Bruh, citing Mozart and Dostoevsky from centuries ago completely ignores the context and evolution of political ideologies. “Conservative” then ≠ “Conservative” now.

Moving goalposts, being intellectually dishonest , typical lefty hypocrite

Why can't conservatives make a good game?

good art today is tied to a healthy sexual identity, immersion in the world. real conservatives either don't get laid or don't care about being worldly

Japan

They have been conservative, but not even close to the standard of other modern societies.In fact, they try their best to be apolitical.

you degenerated retard.

Because the more logical minds don't do art. They do science and engineering.
And look at that, most of the smartest people in history were conservative.
eg: Pascal, Tesla, Descartes

That's another thing I find: most are very anti-woman and have zero experience with them.

Non whites cannot be real left wingers

they're not conservative, they just want to conserve the status quo

Right wing artists create the Sistine Chapel and the Mona Lisa.
Left wing "artists" create video games and furry porn.

Modern conservatism is nothing like that though. Most conservative young men are fucking stupid.

Welcome to Japan?
There world of conservatism isn't even close to others, they actually have social safety nets for one.

I spent more time, and had more fun with, Angry Goy II than Redd!t Obscured: Slopedition 33. (You) lose

They have been conservative

They are the most xenophobe population alive on planet earth anon, don't feed me this bullshit

Yes and? I wouldnt even classify them as Conservative by the same standards as the rest of the world, just like how China pretends to be communist.

Why can't conservatives make a good game?

Because the type of Christianity American Christians believes entertainment is inherently sinful, because it's wasting time you could be spending glorifying Gods kingdom on earth. Either by working, or by spreading the gospel.

Lord of the Rings was written by a english nationalist roman catholic. Never forget that and what that means in todays politics.

Almost all the classic works of art you know that form the backbone of western civilization are made by hardcore conservative christians, who by todays standards means something very different from what it meant then. The Right today is basically anyone right-of-far-left, there are a lot of games made by these people who hold right-of-far-left views, they just dont make that their sole contribution when making something, because low and behold, normal people do not make politics their entire personality, you can be a leftist without being Hasan Piker, you can be on the right without being a Nazi.

Mozart (music)

He was also a degenerate who slept with hookers, loved fart jokes and drank himself into an early grave.

Mel Gibson

He also said some Anti-Semitic things, and that's why he's probably never going to make a big film again. Too many jewish producers in Hollywood who blackball him for his beliefs.

Clint Eastwood

And he's almost a hundred years old. Who's going to pick up the torch and make good cowboy movies, when he finally passes on?

All the female characters are cute

All the female characters have swimsuits

All the female characters have titty jiggle physics

16yo wearing skintight pants that are sucked into her ass crack

Only blacks are background character that all die within 30 minutes

No walled overweight 'step in me mommy' shitlib character designs

Made by devs that got sick working at a leftist AAA studio

How exactly is this a leftist game?

Well educated people tend to be left wing, right wing copes by acting like academia is all lies. That's pretty much it.

Why can't conservatives make a good game?

Scott Cawthon made a good game. And then he got cancelled and bullied out of the company he helped build for daring to donate some cash to Trump. John Gibson. The CEO of Tripwire games and director of Maneater, was fired by shareholders because he had the balls to say 'abortion is wrong'.
That's a big reason why conservative game devs don't really exist. They look at the state of the industy and how hostile it is to people like them, how they can get fired for saying the wrong thing just one, so they throw their hands up and give up because. 'What's the fucking point?"

The right consistently conceeds media production to the left because theyre fucking retarded. People that support guys like Matt Walsh, Crowder and Ben Shapiro are fucking retards, people like that are what the right has to deal with when it comes to making media

rather than make their own corner of media creation, they instead say "well were not in control of hte narrative, walk away, we didnt want it anyway videogames, movies and TV are all stupid"

Reminder that even Trump has said that videogames are the cause of mass shootings and riots in America, the right has never gotten out of this shit and is why it doenst make shit. The most you get is just normal people with some right wing views, not actual right wing media.

The new thing is to just claim a game is political and watch people run with it.

The game succeeds exactly because it didnt do this, but that hasnt stopped people from trying to claim its "their sides" success, because modern discourse is fucking gay and is just team sports now.

I'd love nothing more then to eat out Maelle's cookie

Mozart was a supporter of the Austrian Monarchy. He was considered a Chud in his time.
Dostoevsky wrote a whole novel making fun of old liberals and the radical hellspawn they created. One of the characters in Crime and Punishment is a radical socialist with a cuck ideology.

They were conservative regardless of the time.

Simply, there isn't any real money in conservative entertainment, the right wing focuses more on low-cost, high return media like podcasts and YouTube videos.
the church also buys most conservative media and distributes it among it's members, they also demonize video games so church organizations won't go ass in on a video game project like they will a human trafficking white slavery action movie.
Finally conservative media is grift to sell other good, particularly supliments, video games are really bad at selling physical goods, you might get a fast food tie in here or there, but no one will buy collagen powder or coffee beans because they saw in video game. They're not selling CJ the Ball gun holsters.

Conservatives can't make good games for the same reason extremist leftists can't make good games. Because they're constantly worried that someone will take the wrong message away from their art.

Can't have sexy female characters because a woman showing skin is sinful

Can't have graphic violence because violence in games causes school shootings

Can't have stories about criminals or morally grey characters because that glamourizes that lifestyle

Can't have demons or angels because you might misrepresent scriptural truths.

Can't represent the clergy in a bad light or you might make people doubt the Church.

And many more. And after you're done going down the list of things that conservatives aren't allowed to have in their art, theres just not a whole lot left for a storyteller to work with.

They have no empathy. You need empathy to create art.

I never wanted to give a shit about this stupid culture war shit, I just wanted to jerk off to anime girls and play violent action games, why the fuck is everyone jumping at each other's throats over this kind of conspirational garbage?

this post best post

people who disagree with me aren't human

We're too busy running the world and making money. BTW, rent's going up again.

They pretend that all popular games are leftst games while completely ignoring how actual lefts games are shit and deservedly fail.

With the shit conservatives are doing it's hard to call them human.

Art is the preserve of the elite, and the modern elite are leftists.

Pretty much every political cartoonist since the dawn of the printing press would disagree.

trump isn't a conservative

people are still trying to force poltical bait posting with this game

I genuinely believe I've seen every type of shitpost attempted with this game and it isn't working because people actually like it and it's clear shitposts haven't even touched it.

Someone considered a moderate democrat twenty years ago is a far right conservative extremist in the 2020s.
Elon Musk was a democrat. Until they convinced his son to cut his own dick off.

If you look at the greatest writers ever:
England: Shakespeare, a monarchist man who was likely Catholic. Not a progressive in his era.
Spain: Cervantes, a Catholic man who spent his last years in a Monastery
Italy: Dante, I don't think I need to say anything, lol
France: Honore de Balzac, a reactionary Monarchist and Roman Catholic in his own words
Germany: Goethe, hard to label, either way
Russia: Dostoevsky, Chudmax (yeah, his peaks were higher than Tolstoy's peaks)
America: Comac McCarthy, didn't speak openly about politics, but most liberals and conservatives agree was a Conservative
Japan, Lady Murasaki? Not ideological

Flawed premise until you can prove that E33 this was made by leftists.
However, the left does actually make the worst video games in history - Concord, Veilguard, Shadows just to name a few

Being right-leaning and authoritarian (ie what laymen mean by "conservative") is heavily correlated with lower empathy, lower curiosity, and a tendency towards isolation. There's also a(n admittedly much less supported) general lack of understanding when it comes to themes, tropes, and motifs - conservatives tend to take things at face value.

These attitudes are antithema to the creation of enjoyable media. Good artists must be able to understand perspectives that aren't their own in order to write characters that aren't just them, good artists need to be interested in investigating the world around them so they have a basis upon which to write, and good artists obviously need a solid understanding of symbolism and themes and tropes.

There's also the fact that modern western "conservatives" tend to view artistic endeavors as a waste and artists as socially inferior, which means fewer conservatives are willing to even attempt that career.

Name some examples

lady murasaki

the tale of genji

based story

The sad part is that you actually believe this.
Meanwhile the Democrats have been pushed to the right every election since Carter by walking ghouls like Carville.

England: Shakespeare, a monarchist man who was likely Catholic. Not a progressive in his era.

Imagine how conservatives would react these days if a modern shakespeare was publishing his plays for the first time.

Matt Walsh would condemn Macbeth as gratuitously and unnecessarily violent.

Tucker Carlson would condemn shakespeare as a pedo for making Romeo & Juliet teenagers.

Ben Shapiro would have more than a few unkind things to say about Merchant Of Venice.

Ron Desantis would ban Midsummer Nights Dream from libraries, a sex comedy about fairies? Sounds LGBT to me.

Andrew Tate would hate on King Lear for wanting to give his throne to a woman.

The Unsubscribe Podcast would say Coriolanus was Anti-Veteran propaganda.

You're right but they won't like this.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_Democratic_National_Convention

Why do people think they have the right to claim someone else's creations and achievements as their own?

muh dem-repub flip!

Did you think you had a point there?
The modern democratic party essentially began in the '60s and after Carter lost the neoliberal wing completely took it over.
Clinton is the one that ended welfare.

10 years down the line the people whom you call leftists will be called conservatives, you realize that right?

They don't complain about the movies of Mel Gibson or Eastwood, who do have violent themes. Neither do they complain about Stallone films, who are extremely violent too. Or Charles Bronson films. Or John Wayne films.
And the Conservatives of his time were more than fine with him. His company was called "The King's/Queen's Men".

Anyone trying to say that "conservatism" in 1600s England has anything to do with modern conservatism is a moron. Full stop.

I couldn't care less about the political leanings of the artisits

Artists have always been left leaning

That's never been the problem

The problem has always been the forced diversity bullshit

Homegeny > Diversity

Well, would you say Shakespeare would be considered a progressive nowadays? The religious Christian monarchist who was a Romeboo?
The argument by some people is that Shakespeare was a liberal for his era. He very much wasn't

imagine revolving your whole life about who enslaves you

Anon politics in 1600s England have fuck-all to do with modern western politics
They are entirely different worlds.
Trying to compare them is something only someone very very stupid would do.
Or a grifter with an agenda.

mona lisa

Da Vinci stole corpses from the graveyard so he could study Anatomy behind the church's back.
He also was presumably homosexual.

Doesnt seem much of a conservative to me.

True, Trump supporters baffle me

This was an answer to the people who say "Shakespeare was considered a leftist in his era".

No it wasn't
This subthread started with someone claiming Shakespeare was conservative (stupid) and another person saying modern conservatives would flip their shit if someone put out equivalents of shakespeare's plays today.

We all know of many left wing artists but have you considered what artists who don’t voice their political beliefs actually think? You just assume they’re all left wing, never that they wouldn’t be able to work if they voiced their opinions. Historically this is nonsense anyway you can probably name more right wing Greek and Roman playwrights and poets than you can the contrary, and colonialist era writers were typically racist as fuck

They wouldn't freak out over Shakespeare for violence just like they don't freak out over Rambo or John Wayne movies.
Or do you agree with the retard who said that?

Anon that's completely fucking irrelevant to what you and I were talking about, but sure I'll bite:
No, they wouldn't be mad about violence.
What they would be mad about is constant sex jokes. filthy language, and a constant string of explicit and implicit insults against authoritarian leadership.
Shakespeare plays are like 20% pussy and dick and cum jokes.

They'd claim Shakespeare was trying to groom your kids

why you're making a shit thread?

What they would be mad about is constant sex jokes. filthy language, and a constant string of explicit and implicit insults against authoritarian leadership.

Shakespeare plays are like 20% pussy and dick and cum jokes.

You didn't read his plays and tried to bluff.
You don't even know what makes conservatives angry. You are just a smug ignorant liberal who doesn't know what the other side believes.

Expedition 33 is literally made by bunch of nazis

Conservatives have careers and no time for kids games.

Shakespeare plays are absolutely filthy

"y-you haven't read them!"

unironically no u

current day conservatives trying to claim past day conservatives creativity is like when modern republicans all try to claim they were the party that freed the slaves

someone else would say 'this'

i will therefore base my reaction to other people based on what I think they would do

i am the smart one

Silence is violence, anon. Being apolitical is being a Nazi going by Leftist rules.

little bro you thought you were cooking on this one
here's what you made

99% of modern neo nazis are gay and many of them hate Christianity. Cope.

look at how silly you are

you are so stupid

everyone who disagrees with me is stupid

I have no position to argue

I also have no creativity with which to make a funny post

I am smart

please at least try

I'd say Terraria is a pretty good conservative game.

b-but

The game lets you use guns, never once lecturing you on how bad they are. The game lets you kill POC without consequence. You can even turn the entire world into an industrial nightmare and bulldoze the entire rainforest.

you have no position to argue

no, that doesn't count

neither does that

you're so stupid

What they would be mad about is constant sex jokes. filthy language, and a constant string of explicit and implicit insults against authoritarian leadership.

Shakespeare plays are like 20% pussy and dick and cum jokes.

Is absolutely wrong and everyone who has read Shakespeare knows this.

So what art have you created?

It isn't, but feel free to continue broadcasting that you fell asleep during english class in high school

Most young men are stupid.
Conservatism need not apply

It's really fucking funny when idiots think Shakespeare was high-brow.

The developers that made the games we loved so much were smart enough to shut the fuck up and make the fucking games.

Ridiculous statement

Make strawman counterargument

Attack said strawman

300 replies

Classic.

Letting brownoids rape your children isn't exactly empathy :/

I miss the days in which IRL shit was contained to dumb easter eggs instead of making that the focus of the game.
Like fine you hate Orange Man, whatever, dont base your fucking game out of your TDS

Do you honestly think the people building massive, intricate, gorgeous cathedrals and statues were non-binary, fat activist, witch communists?

TDS

Hey, didn't the guy who coined that term get arrested for soliciting a minor?

Because conservatives work in non creative jobs. They work as stuff like Accountants and Lawyers and Tradesmen and Engineers and Scientists. Practical jobs that make society run.

God everyone wants to bring up the fucking spooky vatican statue when we have cooler, more ancient stuff like the Portico Da Gloria which is a legit masterpiece that is well over 800 years old
Like Genghis Khan was conquering Asia when that was finished

Ok and?

To be fair, those conservative probably have creative hobbies, not careers.

That conservative form of Christianity for better or worse influences modern day american conservatism, and it really hampers any attempt by the conservative right to make advances in the culture war.

This post is off-topic.

All the greatest art in history including games such as pic related were made by leftists

By today's standards all art made before 2010 is right wing. Think about that for a moment. Even stuff released in like 2005 gets censored when re-released today.

Left and Right is a very wide spectrum but low IQ mongrels on Anon Babble try to make it a binary issue.

There's not point in reading these threads; they all play out the same way:

Liberals jerk themselves off by making up a bunch of negative caricatures of what they think all conservatives are, ignoring the fact that "conservative" is an incredibly broad and vague label that could potentially apply to tons of different political and social ideologies.

Conservatives try to retcon every piece of art that isn't overtly SJW into being "conservative" art, thus simplifying the appreciation of art into a simple game of "is it left or right?"

Both sets of retards try to apply political labels from the late 20th/early 21st century to historical figures that can't be described in such a fashion.

Both sets of retards assume that everyone who isn't on their side are all a hivemind who only think in one specific way that conveniently makes one side look like idiots and the other side look cool and smart.

Like pottery

My problem with modern day christians is that they are fucking cucks and pussies

To be fair, those conservative probably have creative hobbies, not careers.

The #1 hobby of the conservative is shitposting on the internet

No it's probably guns or working on cars

please explain how the game is leftist
the game literally ends with the developer saying everyone who isn't the aristocratic ruling class doesnt matter and we should slaughter people by the millions to solve the problems of the aristocrats

It's internet shitposting

Anon the "conservative form of christianity" that makes up the modern evangelical wing in no way shape or form comes from or resembles 1600s Protestantism.
It's the bastard child of the Third Great Awakening (one of many events that dramatically altered what was considered mainstream protestant belief) and the budding self-help scams of the 70's and early 80's.

Well you can thank the puritanical Christianity that founded america for that.
They Pilgrims fled the netherlands to found a colony in America because found the Dutch too 'worldly' for them. Because they wore jewelry and embroidery. Yes. Because embroidery was what Christ was concerned about when he started his ministry, and not y'know. Saving souls from eternal damnation.

I would argue that their best legacy is unironically the mindset of "fuck it, lets go make our own shit"

By today's standards all art made before 2010 is right wing. Think about that for a moment. Even stuff released in like 2005 gets censored when re-released today.

You're not allowed to say that.
Even though every leftist gushed over Richard Dawkins fifteen years ago and held him up as proof that right-wing conservatives are retards, he's actually a disgusting right-wing retard because he is critical of Islam. He isn't an artist of course, but if what leftists considered academic fact can be dumped without a thought, then something as emotionally nebulous as Artistry can be dumped far more easily.

Don't you dare suggest that the Left has positioned itself so far from what it used to be that artistry is now alt-right extremism, however. Leftists are still the artists, even when every artist is too afraid to make emotionally challenging art anymore, and just sticks to the Diversity Consultant guidelines.
Everybody knows that True Art ALWAYS comes with caveats for the artist.

The veggietales guy did a video on American 'evangelical' christianity and it's long history of moral panics over 'new thing'. He really goes into the history of anti-intellectualism and 'cultural disengagement' by American Christianity. They see the entire world as inherently corrupt and evil, they are to be 'in the world but not of the world' and so on.
Which led to them actively discouraging Christians from entering the sciences, the arts, filmmaking, and broader culture. Which meant when the american left came along in it's modern form. There was no one in the mainstream to stand against them.

There's no Christian Steven Spielberg in film or Christian Phil Fish in gaming. Because American Christians believe that contributing to an inherenly sinful and fallen world makes you 'not really a christian'.

I don't think you know what "academic fact" is
enjoy your anime

Yeah it's funny when you think about it, because European Christians don't think that way

The problem is that fosters an attitude of anti-intellectualism. The american right did exactly what the puritan and pilgrims said to the netherlands back in the day.
"You can have your schools where you teach that we evolved from monkeys, we'll make our own schools where we teach God made woman from Adams literal rib."
Which basically made it so that to be a scientist with any sort of credibility, you had to be an atheist.

Or maybe you can instead work to make something for yourself and make it better?
Not everything needs to be about religion.

Exactly. Which is probably why European Christians have an easier time making good games.
The guys who made the Blasphemous series for example, are all very devout Catholics. They don't have the hangups about violence or sex the way American Christians do. So they made a whole game that, while not explicitly Christian does deal with a lot of themes relevant to Christianity. Like guilt, damnation, heaven and hell etc.

There's no Christian Steven Spielberg in film or Christian Phil Fish in gaming. Because American Christians believe that contributing to an inherenly sinful and fallen world makes you 'not really a christian'.

That's the more public reasoning/justification, but more realistically these groups became far more self-isolating as a way to maintain membership when they became all about the money.
Like I said, self-help gurus of the 70's and 80's really infiltrated American Christianity and implemented most of the same pseudo-cult bullshit they'd used to grift depressed middle-aged women and emasculated men.

And to further my point: the modern indie games

Yeah that's my biggest problem with Americans in general, they tend to have those annoying hangups
I'm an American myself and I lived in Europe for a time and it was when they still had magazine stores with topless women on covers that were out in the open.
I came out just fine outside of posting on Anon Babble and being a 2Dfag

Conservative Christians are all brainwashed lunatics; of course they can't make games, they exist only to be mindless foot-soldiers in a made-up "culture war"

these groups became far more self-isolating as a way to maintain membership

It's been a thing with American Christianity since the beginning. Phil (the veggietales guy) said that rather than trying to change the world American christians "circle the wagons" and disengage, like in a cowboy movie. Rather than trying to change the culture, we make our own small isolating culture, and treat the rest of the world like it's out to get us.

No. But religion is a huge motivating factor, and it's a huge reason why there aren't really any conservative game devs.

There's a poltical cartoon about this I want to share but I can't find it.

I don't think you know what "academic fact" is

In the west it's performative hand-wringing.
Hence why the man who discovered DNA was expunged from the academic community when he said there are differences in DNA between the races.

Thankfully in the East they're not so focused on having a white saviour complex, and being so very proud of their virtue.
God ALWAYS annihilates the proud.
Allah despises the proud.

Enjoy your extinction, westoid.

This game has swimsuits?