Would you rather play a game made by AI or made by Jeets?
Would you rather play a game made by AI or made by Jeets?
AI
jeets
Same thing?
i dont want anything to do with weird Al i dont like that guy glory to the CCP
Not necessarily. A lot of the DALL-E threads are anti-jeet.
Fuck no, fuck AI games.
I want games made by humans
Are they Pakistani?
It's funny how AI has become a litmus test for people who're ideologically captured.
Game quality is all that matters, anyway who insists otherwise, whether for or against AI has no soul.
lmao touhoutrannies btfo
it's another "minor non-controversy gets spammed on the board ad-nauseam" episode
a computer generated picture in my videogames is serious business!!!
some background textures
Wtf who cares?
Ironic how a talentless freak that never picked up a pen to draw anything in its miserable life makes fun of people that are all about the human element in a profession that is highly human and creative in nature but not only that but it has the balls to call other people soulless when it itself supports a highly soulless way of creating that has little to no creative input just cause it "looks good" and the quality is good broooo SHUT THE HELL UP YOU SOULLESS GEN ALPHA FAGGOT!
Shitposters who want to start flame wars, like OP.
I never bought a 2hu game but I may start with th20
Learn to code I guess lmao
You're trying way too hard.
That is how it starts, soon everything will be AI, if we don't start fighting soon then we will lose, we must defeat AI before it's too late
AI is a litmus test for people who are spiritually Indian.
you do realize most code is just retards copying stuff from stackoverflow
Cope, there is more human element ther
I'd rather have a AI game generated to my exact specifications than the typical AAA slop.
Here's your (you) for playing a good luddite. Don't let your pride get the best of you okay? Illustrators aren't entitled to wage away at a shit industry job or make money off of patron commissions. It's not a personal attack, but what will be will be you know?
AI is a litmus test for people who are spiritually Indian.
Probably.
Why isn't this game showing up on Steam for me? Is it only sold in certain places or something?
translate it weebs
Well yeah, AI stands for Actually Indian.
so i can assume we are boycotting zun, right?
Yes all of us, so stop posting and talking about touhou (please let this work he sounds retarded enough to fall for it if he has to ask)
If someone has to resort to AI then they're incapable of making anything of quality to begin with.
People who hold no 1ccs care.
You don't even play the game
Bro should have retired a long time ago. It's been ages since he put out a good game.
good luddite
There's a lot of dumb artists that are afraid and have the the surface level take of muh job but the issue isn't the technology so much as it's giving tools to billions of normies and pajeets that on a fundamental level do not understand or appreciate aesthetics. It's not an issue of artists going away, it's an issue of art going away because the only thing that will exist is digital filth.
This is why you never see good quality AI shit. Even though it's a super tool, anyone that could actually do good with it, doesn't use it because they don't need it.
Funny how for years I brought up this exact argument against RPGmaker and got even more backlash. The easier you make something, the worse the overall quality gets.
Couldn't have said it better.
learn to code
aren't programmers losing their jobs too? like 90% of all new programming grads just throw their code into chatgpt and call it a day, in 5 years ai can just do that shit itself
what's the next step, telling programmers to go learn to plumb toilets?
Who's going to debug the AI(jeetbased) code?
good luddite
i swear people spit this insult out without even knowing who the luddites were
they weren't against the progression of technology, they were advocates for slowing progression down until it could be established that machines were owned by the workers and not the owners
but you retards just throw the insult around as if they wanted to go back to the stone ages, how about using that ai to do some research
debug
senior programmers who got in before they kicked the ladder, or just not debugging it at all because why would CEOs care if their code works or not? shareholders see the words AI and the CEOs pay goes up, the CEO can just dip the second the code starts to fail
And you consume slop
they can just start cultivating vanilla now that america is great again
Would you play a game made by Weird Al?
ZUN is like the absolute worse person you could chose to use as the grounds of your moral crusade given he's made these games by himself for decades now.
Is it lazy? Yes. Is he taking work away from other people? Fuck no.
I played EoSD and MoF. Therefore I have played more than the entirety of Anon Babble.
AI art steals jobs from real human artists
ZUN draws all the art himself and never hires any artists.
It's a nothingburger.
No. The japanese AI will have at least one competent dev sometimes.
it's over... touhou is no longer playable knowing this background might have been computer generated....
human element
This part is more important than normalfaggots think. Not so much in the case of Touhou, since the backgrounds there have always been kind of worthless, in my opinion, but in general, things created by algorithms have less "meaning".
I'm not talking about quality, since someone can create a tree, for example, with AI that is aesthetically decent, I'm talking about meaning. When the tree was created by a real human being, the guy had his reasons for making it the way it is. You can try to analyze it in depth to find out what techniques he used, look for the references that influenced him, speculate why he did it the way he did, what he was trying to convey to the player, etc., A tree created by AI doesn't have any of that, it was just made by an algorithm and that's it, there's no room for analysis and conversation here, so that product, in terms of meaning, is poorer.
But normalfags and Indians in general will never understand that. They consume things passively. They never stop to look at an element that seems useless and think: "I wonder how the guy did that? Why did he put that tree there? etc.", because they have no soul, just like the algorithms they love.
lol, it's insane that there are actually people who say shit like that and then turn around and play game with AI generated levels.
This. The AI didn't eat anyone's lunch. ZUN is a solo dev and will always be a solo dev. It's like people think solo devs are obligated to start taking out massive loans and open crowd-funding campaigns so they can give a fat paycheck to a team of artists. Not everyone in a creative field is a corporation responsible for creating jobs.
Your mother tried so hard to abort you worthless midget
It's not an issue of artists going away, it's an issue of art going away because the only thing that will exist is digital filth.
I don't believe this is possible. Art serves a fundamental function for humanity much in the same way that religion does and is impossible to eliminate.
they were advocates for slowing progression down until it could be established that machines were owned by the workers and not the owners
Socialist revisionism.
Luddites thought that the technology would completely replace them and were violently against it in an ultimately futile effort. What you suggest is even worse because EVERYTIME we've tried to regulate a market, it has become worse, like with Health care.
AI generated youkai
did you forgot about udoalg?
because EVERYTIME we've tried to regulate a market, it has become worse
oh so you're a lib that thinks any market regulation is bad
are you also mad that Google and Apple don't own every company in the world right now?
Ah yes righting a simple prompt like: "Draw me a femboy twink that likes to take cock in the style of your mother's ass is somehow coding" lol and before you say oh but you're stupid, I was talking about coding AI into doing the work for you... Surely you know how to code said thing right anon? As if writing a parameter of how far the program will go to "draw" somehow correlates with creative art made from the soul xd
Jeets hide the AI, big difference same result.
Was he drawing the backgrounds himself before?
Draw a cute girl right now without using AI let's see how far your "skill" will get you
You're being a lil' pedantic, anon. Human expression will never go away but the dam breaking and flooding every aspect of what you do and where you go on the internet with bottom barrel normie slop gens and it being held in regard as anything but slop sounds like a hellish existence (we're practically there).
Who gives a fuck about AI in this case, not like the art can get any worse than this .
It's a slippery slope. AI lacks soul and meaning behind it.
I'm NTA but the reason why things are as bad as they are is specifically because of government intervention.
CAUTION
Yes. Anon Babble must burn for all the crime they committed
Probably Bhramins making fun of Dalits
Yeah, go ahead, let AI enjoyers take over, you go to support BA or FGO instead
If you were to ask an indian Anon Babble user, the anti-jeet posters are pakistani, chinese and mexican all at the same time, and their names always happen to be timmy or kyle.
Not the developer.
But why should the consumer care?
Is this a thinly veiled touhou schizo thread
Where's marissy.
and eric
LAMO FLANTARD
No, Anon Babble hates AI art
I remember when Reimu was an undead zombie.
SWAGBABYROO
NO! DON'T SUMMON HIM!
why should the consumer care
because i'm paying the developer for their hard work
if they're using AI to make the process easier and quicker for them with less work, are they also going to be charging me less money since they put less effort into the final product?
oh so you're a lib that thinks any market regulation is bad
DOGE kind of brought me around to this thinking. Regulations are typically just a way for the government, which is inefficient, to pick winners and losers in the market. I still believe that there should be laws to protect people's property, like a coal mining operation causing contamination of a populations ground water should result in severe and immediate consequences for the C-suite of that company(decades of jail time at least) in addition to remedying the situation.
are you also mad that Google and Apple don't own every company in the world right now?
It's funny because tech startups actually avoid being regulated because silicon valley is so valuable to the Untied States. The one buisness you CAN start in the US easily is a software one because of this. So at least Google faces stiff competition in things like Cloud hosting, which has MANY small competitors which have kept GCP/AWS/Azure costs lower.
I think I understand your concern now, and to be honest, sometimes you gotta pray for bad things to happen.
Let's say the Slopocolyspe occurs. Every social media platform is flooded with content and any meaningful artwork is lost. Well, then people are going to have to actually SOLVE the problem of the internet turning to shit instead of just biting our tongues on the matter. I'd say personal websites and webrings are a start, but once people have to solve the issue other novel ideas might occur.
Draw a cute girl right now without using AI let's see how far your "skill" will get you
Genuine question, can you prove you're not an AI right now? Type something an AI couldn't. I have a theory that people use AI to make anti-AI messages and it would be funny if you were. I'll prove I'm human right now for you:
Black history month by Death from above 1979 is like leveling in Runescape at hte black knights fortress.
As long as its cute I don't care if it was made by a computer or Jerome Westley
By that logic, should they charge you more the more effort they put into the final product? Should indie games cost $100+ if they took a lot of work? A lot of single-dev projects end up being quite arduous, you know.
No, indie games should cost 10 bucks at most
for their hard work
process easier and quicker for them with less work
hard work
retard
sure, that's their decision, but I don't see why a consumer would willingly want to pay $60 for a game made with AI when you could pay $60 for something someone actually made themselves
would you pay $50 for a mcdonalds meal, assuming a handcooked steak also costs $50?
A tree created by AI doesn't have any of that
What about the meaning imparted by the guy who made the prompt inputted into the AI to output said tree? Why did he do that? Why did he generate a tree? Why did he have the AI generate it the way he did? Why did he have it generate the surrounding scenery the way he did as well?
You're trying to sound like an intellectual but you just sound like a gatekeeping faggot who's upset anybody can now get a "picture of a tree" for whatever reason or purpose they want lol.
no you are buying a product
and have no idea how it was made
and never will
Would you pay $200 for an AAA game, considering the sheer amount of labour and man hours gone into it?
What about the meaning imparted by the guy who made the prompt inputted into the AI to output said tree?
NTA but he clearly didn't give enough of a shit about what the tree meant if he got an AI to make it for him
no just a handful of talentless fags realizing they will never get anywhere with their deviantart page
Based
Would you eat brown shit or green shit?
Lol. There is already massive amount of games, and I couldn't possibly finish a fraction of them in a lifetime. I don't have time to play slop.
no just a handful of talentless fags realizing they will never get anywhere with their deviantart page
what about the talented artists who are already in the industry and making stuff you actively consume, are they also talentless fags on deviantart? you can't just call anyone you don't like "talentless" while also not recognizing you yourself have no talent by resorting to AI art instead of just learning to draw
post the Kurapi gif, you know which one
Actually I was mocking you faggots who never had a problem with AI taking jobs away until it was YOUR job. When blue collar workers were sarcastically told to just "learn to code lmao". None of you faggots are genuine in your complaints. Complain that AI is taking away the work of accountants. Complain that AI us taking away the work of secretaries. Complain that AI is taking away the work of literally anybody but faggot Twitter artists and maybe I'll take a single thing you say seriously. Until then I'll generate you a bridge so you can get over that river you're crying.
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Stop warning me
you just sound like a gatekeeping faggot
You are either developmentally disabled or incredibly insecure of you think art is gatekept in any way shape or form at all with the advent of the internet and the abundance of resources to learn every aspect of it.
he clearly didn't give enough of a shit about what the tree meant
You don't get to decide that. You don't get to decide what something means to someone else.
Japan only makes kino so I trust them to use AI correctly.
incredibly insecure
Says the dweeb malding on the internet about AI. The irony is palpable lmao
I do though since i'm the one consuming the art
besides, he didn't get to decide "how" the ai generated something, you can type however much fucking tags and keywords you want but it is never, ever, going to come out how it would have if you just drew how it looked from your own imagination
He's busy spamming Anon Babble
I do though since i'm the one consuming the art
If that's the case then anti-AI fags have even less of an argument, because the artist literally doesn't matter at all, only the end result does lol
I'd rather deal with no name twitter artists all day than your typical "ai sloppa producer". If you peer into the mind of the average AI user and artist hater you quickly come to realize that they're just fueled by nothing. A bizarre, inhuman mixture of meaningless contempt for others and a shockingly lack of creative thinking. In all seriousness, what kind of value could you derive from AI work when the people behind them are so utterly lacking in motivation and thought?
bring me Marisissy.
I genuinely don't get why so many pro-ai people have this seething hate for artists, you'd think their family was killed by them or something, but it turns out as a kid they got told their art was shit or something and now they have this unending hatred towards them
I HATE /diap/
sloppa requests?
Nobody cares
God I wish I was Sanae
Everybody cares
I feel like it's reactionary more than anything. Like anti-ai people acted like anybody who even looks at ai is the devil so pro-ai people said fuck it and did the same in reverse. I don't think anybody should really give a shit what anybody else does. Who gives a fuck lol
You are the one who came in here to start gloating to strangers how AI will take away their jobs apropos to nothing and when anyone asks what you actually mean by the dumb shit you're saying you go U mad? That does come off as insecure, considering you seem to think that art is somehow being gatekept which is a retarded notion.
Everyone should, this is taking jobs away from artists, the most useful and inspiring members of our society
You are the one who came in here to start
I responded to your post, you mong. I was in the thread already, you're the one who came into it to bitch lmao
Same. She cute.
But can AI gen art of my comfort character (Marisa) shitting herself?
Reactionary to anti-ai fags being faggots because people was having fun creating things for themselves without their input, no mention the constant seethe at anything AI-related.
this is taking jobs away from artists
You don't have to sell me on it, I already agree
Way to miss the point brownoid... The fact that I didn't nor intend to play the game doesn't take from the fact that it's just there just cause it has to be... The way trees exist is not because they're just there, they evolved over thousands of years hell even millions for a specific reason... The way a background is drawn tells a lot about the creator and the game. It has meaning a specific reason to exist the way it does... Too much for you to understand I guess though... Don't ever talk about art if you're just gonna steal a algorithms silly and shit regurgitation and call it your own. You didn't d raw it, your didn't intend for it to be the way it is... There is no meaning behind your existence... Genuinely try drawing for a month and let's see how you talk after this time frame soulless Gen Z faggot
words words words
I aint reading shit from someone with no 1CCs
it's taking away jobs from every field
not to mention how AI is so prevalent with students now, almost everyone going through or into college right now uses AI to cheat, why is no one thinking about how badly that is going to damage youth development or the incoming hiring field when most of them have damaged critical thinking or focus, and hardly know their own work-field since they got an AI to breeze them through school?
More Hong Meiling thank you
..........'s pet remitranny
The way a background is drawn tells a lot about the creator and the game
Didn't every previous 2hu just have stock image backgrounds tho lmao
Note that I wrote that when authors use AI, the game has less meaning, rather than saying that it has no meaning at all.
I can make a game with assets from the Unity Store too and my choices will have some purpose, it won't be something totally random. But try to imagine a documentary where they report on my search for assets in the Unity Store versus a documentary about why I did things from scratch the way I did, which do you think would be more interesting?
Besides, there's an extra problem when it comes to AI. The idea that there needs to be a guy making decisions is not a guarantee. Just as the AI can be trained to generate the tree, it can also be trained to compose 3D scenes and practically everything in a game.
the most useful and inspiring members of our society
haha holy shit
zun is a huge inspiration to indie devs and the internet as a whole and hes showing that you can use this incredible new tool without shame.
disable the language filter, or add japanese to the whitelist. thats what it was for me anyways.
Yes, free library ones at that.
because the artist literally doesn't matter at all
Why do you buy the stuff you buy if not for the fact that you know the name or brand behind it makes quality things? How do you know something from a brand or franchise is decent unless you know that the people behind it make good stuff?
Welcome to capitalism
Effort doesn't matter, results do
If a computer does your job better then go flip burgers
Cope, it matters now that there is no longer a human element to it.
Diaper requests?
I refuse to pay
Game quality is all that matters
AI produces subpar quality. For now.
"Well the previous thread that was the exact same as this reached bump limit. Surely if we make the same one it will repeat itself"
That implies we were buying/playing Touhou to begin with.
If they want to cheat and learn nothing that's their problem, they don't deserve a job or welfare
If a computer does your job better then get another job it's not hard
God I wish I was Remilia's socks
the last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope
ur mad!
Okay cool. How is gatekeeping art even remotely a thing like how you phrased it in your first post then?
With that logic why does anybody buy any indie game at all ever? If something looks good, and enough other people (that aren't paid lol) say it's good, I'll give it a shot. In fact, it's becoming more and more the case that a name on something is like the mark of the beast than a mark of quality. Buy more Ubislop, go ahead.
so it's just an endless blood feud where neither side will stop because both sides have points that are justifiably correct and wrong?
like AI is objectively stealing art from nonconsenting parties and taking jobs while also not providing replacement jobs in return
on the other side, AI art when done for fun and not in a commercial manner isn't really that bad, at worst you can compare it to tracing but that's it, it's nothing worth threatening people over
I just wish all of this would stop, I hate it when people draw art in twitter and an ai artist replies with them throwing the art into a generator and claiming they "fixed" it, and I hate when an AI artist posts some innocent generation and gets death threats over it
I just wish people could respect each other, respect artists for the time and effort they put into their craft and learning, and respect ai artists for finding a way into becoming more creative when they didn't have the capacity before
I wish the world was kinder and more loving
cook me a hamburger and dont use any tools. not even fire. only your fists.
I dunno, ask all the retards on Twitter who accuse any other artist of using AI when they draw something that looks just a little too good lmao
zun is a slopper like me
SDXL really needs a better VAE many of slop flaws are because the decoder destroy small details
If that's 180 euro for a real life statue carving then that's pretty cool.
But otherwise what the fuck is wrong with artists with these prices? I get it that these can take days and a lot of work to make but just one of these is more than my entire paycheck
Yes and why would I not use AI to create my whole game and make money?
Nobody here buys touhou games anyway, its probably the most pirated game ever.
shut the fuck up, dirty communist nigger
A steaming shit coming right out of the shitter it is!
YOU HAVE NO SOUL
YOU ARE A JEET
wtf why are people so against us artists we've done nothing?!?!
nah you deserve losing your job and ending up as a fentanyl addict
marisissy is the only one that brings joy to my life anymore
make me AIcuck
a lot of it is the time it takes to make that, as well as demand for their products
if they had prices too low then they would have a flood of requests that they couldn't fulfill, not to mention if it takes say, a week to make a 350 euro commission, assuming they work on it 4 hours a day, that's 28 hours it took to make it, which comes out to like 12 euros an hour, barely minimum wage
as ai develops and can program games as well as it makes pictures now, i believe artists will be able to work with it to make games.
there will be value in games with human made art not just from people who value traditional methods but because people will be grateful for how they contributed to this technology.
the way i see it, ai in creative spaces will enable people to focus on their strengths or even better, just whatever they enjoy most.
my strength is masturbating 10 times a day to underboob and pov paizuri.
seriously, everyone who created something people enjoy contributed to this even if they didnt want to and they deserve a big fat thank you, but im not willing to let them stand in the way either.
I don't care about you, your job, your livelihood or your family. I care about MY income and MY income goes up when I can use AI and don't need to pay suckers like you
Go cry in Biden's lap
i have said none of those things yet you continue to spread hate towards people who have personally done you no wrong, someone was mean to you so you lash out against anyone who was similar to them?
Isn't that exactly what artfags do to AIfags tho?
people are capable of making bad things?
Okay? Pattern recognition is a thing that humans have and if something from a name you recognize becomes bad you avoid it and go find something else that is good? I don't see how this makes the artists and the people involved behind something somehow stop mattering.
who have personally done you no wrong
They call me jeet, or that I have no soul, you can see it in this very thread how is it happening all over again if you look for the would soul, so yeah they have wronged me.
so you're not only selfish, you're just a bad person that doesn't care about others
why do you go through life like that? is it not lonely knowing that you care for on one else, and in return no one cares about you?
I personally don't have that optimism, as I see ai getting better, I see people putting less effort into them, it's being done with education right now, students don't use AI to enhance their learning, they use it to replace their learning entirely
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You spent all that time writing out masturbatory nothing but couldn't spend an extra 30 seconds on a single upscale pass?
YOU HAVE NO SOUL
YOU ARE A JEET
If you are an ardent AIfag then one or both of these is literally true.
braaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
Oh nyo!
I sharted my diapey!
And it's still higher quality than AIslop!
I want to BE Aunn (so I can be used by futa Reimu as a cumdumpster)
You yourself, assuming you're the same anon this whole time, said that they don't when you said you are the ultimate arbiter of whether or not something matters because you are the consumer. Fuck their intent, fuck their messages, fuck anything else, YOU consume it so now YOU get to decide if it was valuable or not. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Pick a lane.
There IS a human element though, it's still taking pre-existing stock images and mashing them together
I want to be futa Reimu.
It's good in theory but because money is involved we can see that theory play out in real time on youtube and spotify AKA a metric fuckton of garbage gets uploaded with no purpose other than to game the algorithim and make money. Whatever passionate project an artist does with AI tools will be immediately drowned out by a landfill of engagement bait. At least with the old youtube kids shit, they can only work their indian slaves so hard.
My reaction is nothing but the product of ardent anti-ai artists, so if anything, many artists have no soul as well.
I don't give a fuck if a piece of media uses AI or not as long as it looks good. Most AI currently does not look good, but it's only gonna get better and already has since it's been generally available.
You got it
so you're not only selfish, you're just a bad person that doesn't care about others
Welcome to Anon Babble
This is what AI was made for.
could AI do THIS?
yeah actually those are kinda dogshit simple
top-right one goes kinda hard though
I just came out as flansgendered to my parents this morning... how could ZUN do this to me...
"can ai make a bunch of gay black people????"
That's the beauty of it; It never will as long as I don't want it to.
I'm pretty sure all of those are AI
You could say you have been flanderized
AI produces subpar quality. For now.
Yeah the closest we've gotten to AI generating full-on games is experienced developers "vibe coding", which is really just using gen AI as a tool to rapidly create code, and beyond that the applications of LLMs has mainly been used to create assets or provide things like textures(such as ZUN has done here)
I think code generation will ultimately be limited though for the foreseeable future. For Celeste(the platformer) it's player movement file(github.com
There's also a lack of datasets for things like 3D models with efficient topology, shader code(graphics programming techniques are mostly arcane magic), and efficient networking code for many different use-cases. So while we can generate images, sounds, music, decent-enough small bits of code, a full-on AA quality game, fully AI generated is well out of reach by current diffusion techniques.
Yay!
Why isn't she shitting herself
using ChatGPT instead of Claude
a game made by AI
Isn't that literally every single roguelite/like?
Marisa lay in her bed well-protected and fulfilled
so you're not only selfish, you're just a bad person that doesn't care about others
Hey! That is NOT true!
I don't care about people I don't like. There's a difference.
You better start eating healthy then because all of your doctors are using AI to get their medical licenses. If you can't see how destructive AI will be across every field when it lets incompetent subhumans get past the filter, you will get what you deserve.
like 90% of all new programming grads just throw their code into chatgpt and call it a day
And its extremely fucking obvious when they do for anything outside of extremely basic projects. AI just boilerplates and saves maybe 10 seconds of copying shit from SO, when doing anything with any sort of complexity it shits itself hard.
I have literally fired 2 people this week because they couldnt code for shit since they were just throwing everything into chatgpt and seriously thought it wouldnt be caught at code review. It is quite literally more expensive to retrain these retards than any "saved time" the AI is capable of past the beginner level.
The consumer decides if something is or isn't valuable
Again, that's such a nothing point. You don't have art without artists and it all involves intent to some degree through choices to include or not to include something. Seeing AI assets in something largely denotes a complete lack of understanding or comprehension of good aesthetics and a sense of laziness in how the person behind it couldn't bother to learn to draw or at least hire someone that does have a good understanding of aesthetics so yes. I can make a definitive value judgment that artist's involvement in something is important.
I'm realizing this entire thread is a waste of time since everyone on both sides are so stuck in their ways of thinking, it's basically just throwing out arguments and insults for self flagellation
why do we do this to ourselves? it's a waste of time
I'm just going to kill myself when I get old
My future is fucked up anyway so I'll fuck up yours
Thread IDs would solve most of these issues
Peak boomer kike mentality
That's really discouraging to hear but I guess it also means people who spend the time to actually learn to code will get an advantage, since most people will take the easy road in the end rather than dedicating themselves to study
tr8tor...
Fire your whole team except for the one guy who is best at prompt engineering
You don't need a team to program anymore
Pretty please don't use AI art, I HAVE to make a living and I can ONLY do that by working as an artist!
I remind myself every day that this is a toxic mentality. You're not entitled to the specific employment you desire and sometimes shit happens, but you should always look internally and ask what YOU can do to handle the situation, because nobody else is going to handle your shit for you.
I don't want to be telling people "learn 2 code", no matter how tempting it is to inflict that irony, because it'll one day be my turn and I need the wherewithal to face my destiny.
Touché. Claude has a 200,000 token context window, so the celeste file is about a fifth of that. I haven't tried Claude code yet, but I've heard good things, that it's the mother of all boiler plate generators, and bad things, that it's very expensive and slow.
Okay but what is Shinmy's stand on the debate?
The ONLY thing that matters is how many people are willing to pay for it
That is the ONLY relevant thing
Fuck your feelings
Who says you can't do that? What I'm saying is that the more intense the use of AI, the less meaning your game will have. You probably won't be able to sell a lazy game made entirely with AI in a reality where at least 10,000 companies in India are doing the same. You're going to have to add "meaning" to your game, some aspect of your game is going to have to have your touch, this touch needs to be identifiable, it needs to be coherent with an idea of yours, it needs to be omnipresent, in other words, you're going to have to work hard.
Be "artist"
Charge people hundreds of dollars for just a drawing with said drawing not even being that great
Take forever to finish the damn drawing
Refuse to draw certain stuff because it's "problematic"
Spend most of your time you aren't drawing by posting on Twitter and showing off your TDS
AI starts taking off
Its bad at first, but makes significant progress in just a few years
Its way cheaper than you, draws pretty much anything, does so in fractions of a second, and to normalfags is hard to tell that its AI
Lose even more of your fucking mind over AI, the last bits of your mind that you didn't lose to Donald Trump winning 2 elections
Spend significantly more time and energy seething about Trump and AI more than you do art and sleep
Intentionally make your already bad art worse by adding "YOU CAN'T USE THIS PIECE OF ART FOR AI TRAINING!" watermarks across the whole image
Rapidly become more rabid and annoying, draw worse, and for some reason still keep commissions overpriced
Start harassing people who even dare look at AI in a neutral or slightly negative way and not despise it
Wonder why everyone is moving to cheaper alternatives that have less hassle
It's much cheaper and faster than the SWE libs you would have to hire previously
Genuinely curious, what do Japs think of this? It's the only feedback that's realistically going to get back to ZUN.
I've seen them embrace AI pretty heavily.
The ONLY thing that matters is how many people are willing to pay for it
Yes. People aren't going to buy a game with shitty AI art and assets lol.
ai is better
it's no different from the west, a lot like it and a lot hate it, it's not a cultural issue
praise the ccp
who
How many veehus have diapers on
You literally have no idea what’s going on in the software industry and it’s painfully obvious you get your information from sensationalist headlines only.
retarded bloated corpos over-hired over the past decade to demonstrate “growth” coupled with the misguided notion that the more money you throw at something, the more it will magically come together for some reason, coupled together with the well-known fallacy that programmer productivity increases with the number of programmers (the diminishing returns are practically exponential)
now you have 2000 engineers working on a web application that is about the complexity of something a guy would have programmed as a hobby project by himself, but because they’re so untalented and also stepping on each others toes they can’t hardly get anything done
Jonathan Blow has predicted this industry collapse a decade ago. It’s completely obvious to anyone who works in the industry that this corporate bloat isn’t sustainable and that they were going to have to trim the fat eventually.
But things not the first time corpos and MBAs have been retarded and it will certainly not be the last. But it is your first time noticing it, obviously, which is why you’re blaming “AI” as if you even know what that is.
its like retreading the internets footsteps. curious people will learn and do a lot more than they would without it, but they are also free to waste time.
its already kind of like that, where people bandwagon on one of the trends of the week while people who keep going their own way have their more humble corners. if another small miracle can be performed to make sure ai is free to assist with things that are not in the best interest of corporations, then surely it could also learn to write filters that help avoid algorithm bait or even help avoid ai assisted media in general if your passion is to only experience human made things.
sharted while reading this
AI
t.
i have never bought a 2hu
If I could make minimum wage by working 4 hours a day I would be fucking LIVID.
These artists are entitled and think the world owes them something
I can't believe your taste is this shitty, son. Where did we go so wrong?
I don't know about the issue anon, that's why I was framing the post as a question, not a statement
so if we knew the collapse of the programming industry was coming for 10+ years, why has nothing been done about it, or to prep for it? And why are programmers on a high horse over other industries i.e. art when a lot of them are also going to be cut soon?
Why don't you become an artist, anon?
Notmalfags have such a cartoonish view of technology. They think you just take “the AI” and you just “plug it in” to your “backend in the cyberspace” or some equally retarded thing that they got from television and movies.
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
entitled
anon it's literally just a commission sheet, if they have those prices then people are paying for those prices, you're getting made that other people think their art IS worth that much
if they had those prices and no one was buying, then those prices would come down to match the demand
2chan doesnt care
They're up to their usual shitposting
2 Okina threads on the 1st page
Wild assumptions there anon, ah yes everyone to own the leftoid Twitter artists cause muh I shouldn't pay for the art "they" created because he's a lefty or whatever why do you faggots always have to bring up the Twitter artists that actually "create" the "art" they sell. While yes, some artists do sell shitty art and are now complaining cause you and your grandmother could generate anything without paying said artists... Almost as if they actually created the art they're selling even though it's shit in your opinion like bruh, it's like replacing a shit by the most disgusting Indian imaginable with your own regurgitated shit with flowers on top but yeah yours is better because reasons... No reason trying to talk some sense into you fags when you yourself are the exact same thing you're trying to replace with sprinkles on top just lol at least they took time out of their day to learn some basic anatomy but yeah the work should be handed out to you because you're better than them because you stole it?
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That’s the most interesting part anon, MBAs don’t ever know anything. They are only good at capitalizing on hype. Not understanding what’s going on with said thing being hyped.
Anyways software isn’t going anywhere because the entire world runs on software. Neither is art because people still prefer that human touch as evidenced by the amount of backlash that any game or advertisement causes when using AI art.
I ultimately don't care, but justification seems retarded.
dude it's ethically sourced (until it's not) and it saves me time instead of looking for what I want
You make ~1 game a year if that with about an hour of gameplay. Surely you can justify spending 30 fucking minutes on a stock photo site and finding something that's not AI to get what you need and shut the anti-AI faggots up.
You're sorely mistaken if companies like Google or Tiktok would ever ALLOW their code to be known by any kind of AI model. That shit is gonna be locked down so hard that we'll have no choice but to rely on their proprietary algorithims to get content at all. We aren't get true, free open souce AI. It's all gonna be walled gardens hidden by subscriptions.
if i ever cosplay marisa do i need to add the diaper
do i neeeed to?
Honestly anon I appreciate how mature you are about the issue and explaining it to me, thanks. Hopefully you're right and neither industry goes away
the funniest thing about shad thinking he's a real artist is his brother jazza being on the complete opposite side of the spectrum
youtube.com
It's all gonna be walled gardens hidden by subscriptions.
That's the intention but in practice they'll prove to be too stupid to contain things. You'll see.
Read somewhere that a Jap artist actually took time out of his busy schedule to create some guidelines on how the AI generated artworks in a certain game should look etc that's how AI should be used in this sense, controlled moderation with meaning behind it not just oh I created this and it looks good now I'll sell it for 10 bucks and make bank without breaking a sweat because I deserve the money even though I know absolutely nothing about the fundamentals of what makes art art. It's like writing a poem but you just picked some random words a local but said to you and took them as they were no change just oh it's sophisticated it's cool it's soulful because I did it even though it has absolutely no meaning behind it.
Why would they care, ZUN is like the only person who is totally immune to all the AI criticisms.
AI steals jobs from artists
ZUN doesn't hire any artists
AI results in an inferior product
ZUNs art is worse
AI steals from artists
ZUN used an AI model that was only trained on stock image and public domain shit
x.com
photobash
How is that any different from AI? If it looks like AI what's the fucking point.
AI, easily.
Jeets are subhuman 90% of the time
I really don't want to psychoanalyze even if I don't have to as it's clear as day, it's a profound insecurity.
Outside of major leaks I'm doubtful. They aren't spending billions on investments just to pull some retarded nonsense.
I mean I don't really care either, I was merely providing info
If anything I was more amused at the staying power of Okina as a pillar of shitposting
Nareko has a lot of threads too
You are on the third step.
frotting with cute veehus
Programming is not real work
very interesting
$300-$400 for an game ready illustration is more or less industry standard rates for a working professional with a portfolio and a sizeable enough presence online.
AI Artists
Have we been recognized?
I like how I can tell this is made by someone who has a superiority complex about using AI art, I can't point out why but it's so obvious that it exudes a patronizing tone
Post your AI art, anon.
11 is iconic
*Was
This is some hardcore ai "artist" cope. In reality there is only 1 step:
Know that AI "art" is not art
jeet literally cant read
No, you are posting bot images. There is no art involved
Learn to plumb nerd
I'ma proudly AI artist and the new age of democratized art has begun
How do you think Cake would react if she saw you making AI lewds of her?
verrrry interesting
*Was
No, the industry standard rate for a game ready illustration is $20/mo to OpenAI
People who are upfront about using AI and people who outright lie about it.
They're no different than women who are truthful about being absolute whores and those who lie to your face about it.
The only person I know that uses it is Kaneko.
But, he was already on the NFT train. It's trained off of his work, but would I want to buy or see anything he's generated, when all he did was prompt?
She would be proud that anons like her enough to create porn of her
democratized art
can you explain what this means? art was something even a poor kid from African with a pencil and paper could do, what systems were in place that were stopping the majority from learning it?
I want to post something original and funny, help me
Use AI
bazinga
Pretend this is Keiki
Post something related to Alice, it always works
i think somebody got shot near me
DEPOSIT RAN
Now we laugh
I'll shoot something near you
original
Uhhh maybe POST FUCKING GAMEPLAY
ai art is shit and soulless and no one would pay for it
but also it needs to be stopped because as a human artist, i can't do better than shitty and soulless
its up
I'd fuck the guy that drew this
Cant see hear headpiece
Rumima
Sour grapes post lol
She needs to give me head
Isn't that Tewimom?
are you saying... you are helpless... perhaps frustrated with your lack of comedy?
I WANT TO PLAY TBOI WITH VHU ANONMS PLEASE STEAKMUND
Uhhh
Alice saw Mari and felt malice
I drink orange juice out of a cum chalice
Went to a ranch to buy some physalis
But I can't want till it begins: apocalypse
It's my wife actually
Usami Sumereko encounter extract insert
preggoGODs..........
She is kinky but congratulations
where the kurapi
This is the last thing I recorded before realizing how awful I am at bullet hells.
It's been stolen, never to return
Same could be argued about translations. A friend of mine who is a translator has conceded that companies have good reason to move over to AI translation tools because she admits that translators have become so incredibly annoying to deal with.
Her name is teigalaxy
no bombs on Stage 4 PD
It's so over
AI art is art.
*BRAAAAAAAAAP* I might have shitted my diaper but that's still more meaningful art than any form of ai art!
anon... you will only get better! keep at it!
I'm gonna drop LOLK attemps for a while and try to 1cc SA, can't beat Kanako at all.
But at least I managed to 1CC 6 and 7...
I'm gonna drop [hardest 2hu game] attempts for a while and try to 1cc [2nd hardest 2hu game]
I suggest you take it easy and play 8 instead
Ai faggots AND 2hu trannies in the same thread
my god what is even happening
put AI in the OP
every single shill in the website comes running
>AI steals from artists
Honestly this criticism is genuinely retarded. What an AI does is it looks over thousands of reference images in order to draw, stores them, and try replicating that art based on the prompts they are given.
This is literally no different from any human besides the very first human to draw art. If an artist has ever existed for any amount of time, they almost certainly have seen art. Inherently, every single artist alive uses other art for references in their own drawings. The only scenario where you could possibly see an artist draw without having seen art before is if you locked a person in a room since birth and ask them to draw.
Even then, how are you supposed to draw art if you don't even know what art is to draw something similar.
What makes it worse is half of these faggots who whine about AI "stealing their art" is that 90% of their art is using someone else's IP. These people are willing to draw other people's characters without their permission but god forbid AI ever looks at their art that they also post publicly.
Anti-AI artists deserve to fail
Pro-AI artists deserve to thrive
Simple as that
I meant MoF I'm completely retarded
SA felt even more hellish than LOLK, screw that game.
In 8 Marisa and Reisen kill my attempts
it is better because at least someone is being paid for it. thats literally the reasoning. if you search the internet before and after AI art became a thing, youll see that before it everyone consistently shat on photobashing but now it's cool and cute because the big bad is ai art.
Kill yourself you stupid kike
having some variety is good, mix up the harder games with the easier ones, it will do you well. anything to avoid the feeling of being stuck is good!
Human reference Is not the same as AI scraping the whole fucking internet and TRACING every last pixel on the screen
holy fucking based yassy
Why do people claim the backgrounds in Touhou are worthless? They were pretty stunning in 7, especially so in 8, and pretty pleasing to the eye in 10, especially for Kanako's stage, when the whole thing was tilting as you were changing direction. Even 17 had good backgrounds.
I played the games, hey.
Prompt?
Yassy is alright
Even as an artist, I don't understand why other artist would find AI so bad but not photobashing now.
Yeah as an artist you need to do in a way that blends in with the drawing, but you didn't draw that image of the mountain in the background.
Even if trad artists are purists, at least they're consistent on what they hate on.
I agree with what the other anon is saying. I even made a difficulty tier list for (you). Kanakp is easy if you know how to use your bombs and get used to her final spell card
I am creating art.
It's ragebait or people who haven't played the games
The Sea of Tranquility, the funny cat picture in Okuu's fight, the sunset in UFO Stage 6, the Backdoor Dimension, both Stage 6 & Keiki's Primate Spirit Garden are all fantastic backgrounds.
It's a nothingburger.
Pro-AI posters are all pretentious jeets who think typing a prompt is excessively hard work and pretends their AI generated art makes them on the same level as DaVinci or Rembrandt
Anti-AI posters are all pretentious trannies who want to sell you their shitty raceswapped "fan" art with signature tumblr "art"style for $700 and then pisses and shits themselves all over the floor
I can't tell which side I should be against the most. Both sides are retarded.
big fat heavy auntie cowtits
2hu
kek
MEIRA!
it is better because at least someone is being paid for it.
fuck off, actually a good point in favor of AI. Not like those """"""""artist"""""""" even give a shit, they are going to be the first one jumping in the AI shart train
There's nothing wrong with AI. ZUN endorses it, you should too. Stop calling us 'jeets', it's OUR era now. indian, NOT jeet. Even your 'priest' of touhou (lol) supports us, see?
lmao. Just face the facts, we've won, and that's why u hate us.
ya'll are two faced piggies. hate on the other groups of ppl or somethin
Mhhhh
MHHHHHH
MHHHHHHHHHHH
MHMHMHMHMHH
If the anon that made the thick retro RAN gens is around, make more stuff.
anime already uses AI art and no one gives a shit
you ONLY care when you're told that it's there.
He doesn't fucking endorse it you massive fucking CUNT
He said he hated it
kinda hard to criticize someone art using photobashing, if you say its because its' literally a picture, people paint over like they are doing atm with AI, if you say its because its someone else picture, most artists take their pictures for exactly that reason. in the end its kind of a loki's wager where people have been shitting on each other forever but now with AI there is a bigger baddie that needs to be defeated.
What the fuck I hate anime now
I am finally free
Alright, i will start making 2hu AI stuff.
How good would a RX 9070 XT be if i also plan to make some video stuff?
As far as i understand is to download Illustrious from citivai and a GUI from github.
I don't know a lot about AI
zun should just hire real artists already if hes wants to be lazy and cut corners.
we? who's we?
Please generate Marisa shitting her diapy
AMD
AI
lol
ChatGPT find me the funniest post to make on the 4channel image board that is related to touhu so I can get the most (You)s
You are creating disposable slop that is going to get tossed away like the trash it is the moment your hard drive is full
I don't buy games made by AI, Chinese, Indians or the French
It's important to have standards
Sorry, not buying a housefire card.
desu, we're halfway into 2025, more or less, it's time we stop hating AI, and just accept our new masters.
from 2030 onwards literally every single game will have something AI generated on it, even if it's just some help with backgrounds
if you don't like it, may as well starting preparing to live in the past forever and get a huge lifelong backlog of old games
AI torso
Love to see it. Always the same pictures over and over, shit sucks.
Jeets would shit out the most horrid looking AI results and present it raw.
The Japanese would proompt some AI art for minor background stuff and touch it up it so it actually looks presentable.
ChatGPT find me the funniest post to make on the 4channel image board that is related to touhu so I can get the most (You)s
Sure Thing! How about this:
"Big Flan belly slappa slap slap~"
Do you want more directions on how to create engaging and innovative content in this dogshit fucking website?
I MISSED MY FWIENDS
ChatGPT is into overrated shit?
GOD yes.
ZUN is the cuck who can't stand by his word
Years ago he was mocking this technology, only to then sheepishly waddle back and silently use it to his own ends, not only that did a complete shit job at integrating it, those gens were completely amateurish and anyone could figure out it was generated.
He can change it if he wants
Why is this thread still up?
ai makes stuff that is now intistinguishable from the real thing
it's incredibly good for cooming
My fuarking BBC queen
I consulted the sages
Because it is actually videogame discusison.
ZUN is a hypocrite
He originally didn't want commercial games and wanted to keep them doujin only (especially fangames), look where we are now.
he can't, AI is super rigid.
Can't even make a believable keyboard to save your life lol did you intentionally make it look bad or? Maybe, you didn't have any meaning said illustration? Perhaps it's soulless? I wonder...
Sounds like prompt skill issue to me desu
honestly there are few things funnier than reading his written works and then arriving to a newhu that is using egyptian stuff with victorian explorer outfit and white
ZUN killed my dog
Why are YOU still UP?
It's past your bed time cutie
chu
I love kfc
fine mom whatever
if they had it their way i wouldnt be generating pictures on my pc in the first place, and that theres effort on their part to try to dissuade people from open source ai tells me that its not even near hopeless. they dont even want us having pcs.
Wait, was it a pitbull? If yes then he did the world a favor.
Art is eternal.
Do you think of Anon Babblehu while doing day-to-day activities outside?
nypa
Does a chin style lora exists? guy draws perfect girls but the most disgusting dudes imaginable.
I'm going to skin you alive
i rushed it with a bad prompt for the sake of the joke, same reason there's a cube instead of a mouse, i forgot computer mouse in prompt
Make of that what you will
Yes, I love my Anon Babblehu friends
if you don't like it, may as well starting preparing to live in the past forever and get a huge lifelong backlog of old games
Hasn't people been saying that for years? Maybe the game market getting instantly flooded with ai slop will push more people to retro games. Doubt it though.
Who has the best 2hu styles and designs outside YASSY to make AI art?
It's not really that good anymore
That's a cute okina plush there
Look at her
I have plenty of 1CCs and i still don't know what Yukari's relationship with Reimu is
AMD
AI
haha
god thats hot
She's her mom, duh~