Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

youtube.com/watch?v=GhwmZ_U8Ff0
So do we have to rely on the french now to get more kinographie for the next games?

masked woman

woman

it's so obviously maelle
they even spoil it because you here alicia's theme when you play the piano as maelle

Not just the French. Europe produces KINO all the time.

Disco Elysium

CO:Expedition 33

Blasphemous

It is just differnet types of KINO.
youtube.com/watch?v=LeILSPhyExw

Obviously. And the game doesn't even treat that as much of a revelation, because she literally removes her mask midway through Act 2 and you can clearly see that's Maelle with a fucked up face.
The question isn't "is she Maelle?" but "why is she Maelle?".

Renoir was right and painted Alicia didn't deserve the suffering she was subjected to

Correct. I'm glad the game let us choose the objectively correct ending instead of forcing us into the bad one. Alicia is a selfish cunt, wrecking her actual family even more than the fire by wanting to LARP.

get haircut

Maelle classic

Verso begging her to end him at the end was painful.

If youre not a brainlet anyone could've guessed that but there's still a twist in how they're really connected

he's a bit of an ass but I don't blame him, his existence is honestly a great Sin, especially since its blighted on him by his own Mother.

No. It's time to play the piano brother.

what a uniquely dark way to do evil to someone you love, really sells just how good the narrative is that Verso getting his wildest dreams made reality, is in actuality depicted as one of games best horror endings.

thats why i hate him
in the end its "me me me" with that fag

So who made the mimes

probably clea, that chick is a psycho

if you can't see why he's like that, your some sort of empathy-absent personality disorder adjacent freak.

How the fuck can you play the whole game and think Verso's motivation is just "me me me"?

Don't talk shit about my wife.

DLC with Gustave, Painted Alicia, and Clea when?

I want a DLC of Clea fisting the Writers

Gustave would hate those two people, especially the more he knew about them.

both of them essentially toyed with his little painted universe like uncaring, unfeeling Gods.

The writers. The world is a poem about the (magic) family tragic. Don't you think it's a weird coincidence the number 33 is everywhere?

Why would he hate Painted Alicia? She did nothing wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=gFHugtlIyv0

Third ending DLC will come.

You need to move on, François. She isn't going to sing for you again.

they even spoil

they aren't spoiling anything retard this isn't game of thrones they didn't bank on some muh le epic tweest to subvert expectations
the story is literally all there to follow its not a fucking mystery novel

and it's great because of this

she doesn't care one whit that Painted Renoir goes on slaughtering sprees, is why.

no way, i expect they will try to rebalance ACT 3, but thats all
maybe some extra hats too

Francois uses the strongest ice attack ever

Everything he did on face could be viewed as selfish from the narrow perspective of the painted world but outside of that he is helping her get over her guilt and move on rather than suffer with him for seemely ever until the last of real Verso's soul fades.

Versofags be like

Can't you see he's suffering? Don't you have empathy? Now excuse me while I snuff out thousands of sentient lives but it's okay because like they aren't real unlike the magic rich family lol

Nah I don't think they will do any rebalancing. If people want to break it, they will let them. They pretty much said so themselves when tweeting about the Stendhal nerf

he never says they aren't real, he just knows that the painting is fucked, Renoir is going to destroy it the moment he can, its all over, all that can be done is saving Alicia from her mental problem, and obviously ending his own suffering.

Nah, some rebalancing is in order, becsuse I managed to oneshot the final boss ans robbed myself of the spectacle without even trying to minmax or grind.

aspiring writer speaks in poetry

François cries dramatically

sentient

Maellefags on high dosage delusion juice again

Saying "Millions are a Statistic" isn't wrong.

When does the scene occur where Clea has these painted eyes?

Also, does the 'white' color to some nevrons and the painted versions of the family just mean they are incomplete paintings and need to find their own meaning?

Maellejunkies are something else

When does the scene occur where Clea has these painted eyes?

Her very first appearence.

only 1 solution to this problem no compromises

Typical Versofag justification. We introduced magic paintings but figuring out a solution without genocide is just beyond us.

English dub

French dub, English sub is the only correct way to play this game

Alina and Alicia are literal junkies, there is no fixing them if they think they still have a chance to go back to the canvas.

there's NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, in the painting you can't do SHIT to the outside world, Renoir will destroy the painting the moment Alicia leaves, or dies in it.

simple as that, there's no compromising with him, he's VERY fucking clear.

When you first see her during the "epilogue" in the real world as Alicia she has the painted eyes for a brief moment before the paint fades away.

there's no fixing them

nothing can be done

it's the only way

It's all I hear out of you people. God forbid you ever run into a problem that doesn't have an easy solution in real life.

name it, how exactly is anyone to stop Renoir from destroying the painting.

solutions require means.

It sucks that the best ending's outfits are only unlocked for Lune and Sciel. You can get this hairstyle for Maelle in the tower, but not the outfit.

this
Anon Babbletards always just scratching the surface

Alicia pretty much admit it herself right after the final fight with Renoir. Verso tells her she lied to her father when she said she'd leave the canvas after some time in it, and she didn't deny it. This is all in game information.
Renoir doesn't want to lose his wife and his daughter on top of his son, so he WILL burn the canvas at the first opportunity.

Sounds like a cope for not linking the narrative the game presents.
And if you refuse to engage with the narrative presented, why care at all?
Otherwise your just a fanfiction subhuman that should go back to LiveJournal.

There is literally nothing stopping Maelle from making her own canvas world populated with the people of Lumiere + the non human characters. It wouldn't be any different than in her ending when she brought back characters like Pierre who she couldn't possibly recreate in the same way she brought back Lune and Sciel at the start of Act 3.

Oh I agree, they SHOULD rebalance it but they won't. Act 3 is the most egregious but you see it even earlier. Just pump AGI/speed and realize you have like 5-6 turns before any enemy goes and the game is a joke.

When the violin starts going crazy

she's an addict, and mentally unwell.

it isn't logic that drives her or can work on her.

Act 3 is the most egregious but you see it even earlier.

This. Sirene was the last fight that actually had some semblance of gameplay for me. Renoir + Paintress got in about 1 attack each before getting folded.

electric guitar joins in

game starts as a typical JRPG where a random Joe goes off on an adventure to kill an evil god

Steam forums have daily threads of people sperging out and dropping the game after either the act 1 or act 2 reveals

This was a bold narrative.

I wonder if Nier Automata had the same drama with 2B's death? I played it a few years after the release, so no idea how people reacted.

Renoir just didn't want to shell out for his wife's rehab.

Funny because this is literally what made the game 10x better for me.

oh well, its your usual go kill the evil god shit, pretty kino tho

what the fuck its not over ? There's more ? FUCK I REALLY KNEW NOTHING, WHAT THE FUCK

WHEN DOES THE RIDE STOPS ?!

Rehab doesn't work for people who really enjoy their drugs/gambling.

t. my dad

1. she's likely not skilled enough to make her own, it's easier to just paint over an existing canvas whose Painter is not around anymore
2. the game can't make it any more obvious, it's not just about living a delulu fantasy, it's all about not wanting to move on from Verso's death whose soul is within that and ONLY that canvas

they didn't bank on some muh le epic tweest to subvert expectations

Literally every chapter has a "le epic tweest to subvert expectations" you absolute retard. God damn.

Just don't use 1HP hyper mode builds. I'm not using those setups and the game is fine

And now that they fixed Stendhal and Medalum Act 3 is not that broken either, you can't shit out tens of millions of damage every turn anymore

The Clea fight where she regens 500k hp every turn was actually pretty challenging for me, it doesn't help that her combos are like 6-8 hits and always some random ass enemies, so I would whiff half of the hits and die lmao. Eventually got her down to like 25% and then Gommage was up and that finished her off. I was level 84, max upgrade weapons

Sounds like you don't like JRPGs. That's fine, but that's not what a lot of people bought.

WHEN DOES THE RIDE STOPS

French ESL shill. Yikes

nothing about this game is subversive, its a literal Painted World in actuality and presentation from the ONSET.

the fact they are quite literally in a painting isn't a twist, its an expalantion of this obviously impossible and incompatible with real physics world.

the game doesn't have twists it has reveals.

what said

yall retards use cookie cutter nuke builds and complain about balance
its an RPG you always establish your own balance with your tool choices
i bet you also use summons and complained Elden Ring was too easy

you didn't beat the game btw

durrr main character dying at the end of act 1 isnt a twist, its a reveal!

durrr everyone dying after killing the bbeg isn't a twist, its a reveal!

Shut the fuck up retard.

I went from thinking they were the same person to thinking they were sisters

a character dying is not a twist, its simply a development.

twists are subversions of everything you thought you knew, a lie, or a lie of omission.

you were never promised Gustave to live.

I personally can't get behind twists/reveals that go against the initial theme. The game very much pushed the theme of legacy, what we leave behind, for those who come after, ect. Only for the theme to then turn into yeah actually you need to let that shit go to move forward. Even with shit like the Grandis they talk about even after the fracture they try to keep their culture alive. It was a theme I was very on board with but by the end it isn't even part of the conversation between Maelle and Verso.

exposes himself as a retard

none of these things are a twist
expeditioners low life expectancy is something established all throughout the prologue, if you genuinely didnt expect anyone of the main cast to die you're actually a retard
the fact that Paintress is the good guy protecting everyone from something far worse is also something that is established as a theme all throughout the game, Renoir literally can't shut the fuck up about it

you're a moron who doesn't understand what "twist" is

People were also speculating since day 1 that Gustave was going to die because even as early as the first trailer they never showcased him in high HP battles. Gustave dying wasn't really a twist at all.

I thought they were twins desu, Alicia and Aline (=Maelle). I knew the name Aline from all the songs, but had no idea that was the paintress.

Also, immediately at the start of Act 2 you can grab the manor track record from one of the areas near the Dark Shores, and it's called Our Painted Family which is a big spoiler I guess.

no shit, his fucking callsign is "For those who come after"

the first act is called "Gustave" for fucks sake, he's earmarked for death from minute one.

Elden ring is different in that there are no difficulty settings so you're more inclined to make your own balance as you said.
A game with difficulty settings should work towards balancing the highest tier of difficulty around utilizing everything you have at your disposal. Thereby exercising your mastery of the game's mechanics to the fullest. You CAN make your own challenge as I'm doing right now with a no picto/lumina run for my 2nd playthrough, but it doesn't feel good to fall ass-backwards into a build that just trounces the the end game. At least not on expert mode.

I wouldn't call Paintress a Good Guy, she's just not who they think she is.

there's really no major force for Good here, just people being toyed with, and the powers that be, scrabbling over their toys.

I mean, Nier Automata did the exact same thing with the "Glory to mankind" being the equivalent of "For those who come after" and spammed everywhere, then they reveal that humans went extinct a long time ago.

i mean good atleast from creation perspective, because she is benevolent to them
i know that Aline is doing it less from the desire to do good by them and it's more about just preserving Verso's creation but still, people of the Canvas benefit from Aline being THE Painter regardless of her motivations

really cool how painted renoir has the exact same motivations as real renoir (muh family) but due to their different positions results in them taking opposite stances in the whole narrative.

People who don't like stories with twists that recontextualize everything have low IQ.

nothing stopping Maelle from

did YOU even see the fucking ending bruh?! have one last gander at how FUCKED gustave and all the rest look like because SHES A TERRIBLE PAINTER. all EMOTION GONE from EVERYONE, INCLUDING HERSELF. YES SHE COULDNT EVEN REPAINT HERSELF PROPERLY. HER 1000 YARD STARE AS SHE CRIES INTO THE VOID... YEAH THAT'S YOUR COMPETENT MAELLE.

making her own canvas [BEING THIS INEXPERIENCED]

trapped in pitch black limbo any% WR

I've never played it and was never going to because I could smell from a mile away I wouldn't be satisfied with its conclusion. Don't want to shill but Metaphor is a game I completed recently that had a theme is followed through completely and had me feeling good about the conclusion. Maybe I just don't like tragic endings but despite the fact that I did complete e33 my motivation to play it kept slipping the more the game shifted themes. I went from enthralled to apathetic.

Snk doesn't suck because of the "twists", it sucks because the the final arc was genuinely garbage.

its a high tier horror ending, Lune looks like a fucking thousand yard stare PTSD war vet, Verso looks like the most broken man alive.. its amazing how well it was done.

genuinely garbage

You don't even know what that means. You're just bandwagoning with Anon Babble chuds.

It's seriously fucked up if you think about it, Francois lives his every waking moment thinking about Clea, desperately hoping she will come back and play with him again, meanwhile she has no reason to consider him anything but a distraction from her childhood and has no reason to ever visit him again
Like when you're a child and you think a toy might feel bad that you don't play with it anymore, but then you grow up and realize it's just a thing, it has no feelings, you can leave it behind without any guilt
But in this case the toy does have feelings and because you don't play with it anymore, every second of its life is pain

I get that some twists might feel like rug pulls (e.g. Undertale is another big one), but at the same time, if a story is obvious many hours in advance (like Metaphor), then it won't be gripping either, at that point you're just going through the motions.

Oh right, not like she could learn to paint better and then do it herself. Not like she has a mother that could teach her how to paint the same way that she taught her husband.

This ending was unironically Lynchian

This shot lives rent free in my mind.
They really nailed it.

Good characters is all I need to stay invested really. Too bad most of the characters I liked in E33 didn't get a say in how the game concluded.

actually.. yes, it was lol, your right.

Clea's mentality to Painting things is honestly the most sociopathic of the whole bunch of them.

and I'm fine with the Verso ending and the painting being destroyed, with the understanding that they were real, and that it had to end regardless.

but Clea believes they are nothing, and deserve nothing.

That's some Little Prince shit you're talking about. You should read it if you haven't yet, it's another French story but a children's book (though with surprisingly heavy themes), very famous.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Prince

because its legitimately art, the game as a whole is completely high art, but that ending is a literal masterpiece of Artistic achievement.

Horror and beauty at perfect intersection.

watching the ending again and it's actually hilarious how true that is
every person in her painted world wears the same thing, has same hairstyle and anyone who is not her important friend is literally NPC tier carbon copy
and i don't believe this is just devs cutting corners, this is fully intentional
i think in the very first hour when i started playing i was immediatelly bugged why Sophie and Emma look so uncannily similar
then i thought the same about Gustave and Renoir and Verso (at some point i genuinely thought its gonna be some sort of bullshit timeloop story about Renoir being future/alternate Gustave or some shit)

it's because whoever painted them is actually not that great at painting people
i think likely Clea, she doesn't usually paint people, her workshop is just full of Nevrons which is basically dead nature in essence

Well if you think about it Verso's painting is just one of hundreds that the Dessendres have created
She really has no reason to consider it special

Same reason he let Gustave die. Didn't want to risk interference.

pick the verso ending

immediately begin a ng+ playthrough, learning nothing about moving on.

youtube.com/watch?v=oEtmFgonY3E
I can't let it go yet man. I'm basically just listening to the OST and watching people talk about the game.

Yeah well that's what you get for letting the best character die you frigger

I think you missed the whole point of everything you listed, which just goes to prove you truly have low IQ. But yeah, I could go on too, but this is Anon Babble.

also same reason maelle insta gommaged painted alicia without telling verso, ironic

youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94

K I N O

Dude you're a retard, the post-game has an entire game's worth of content, why tf would you skip it

Lune is literally the only reason I feel bad about Verso's ending. That look of pure hatred in the end was something else.

I thought that was just her being careless. Would fit her character better

i just realized something
why the fuck did Renoir take part in Expedition 0 if he was literally the cause of the gommage to begin with?

he let them die and countless others because his life and existence has no meaning, none, this naturally bleeds into his he views others, he interacts he enjoys his time, but every thought outside of the very moment he's conversing with them he knows its all fake, he's even faker than they are, since he's just some shadow of some dead boy from a reality that this isn't.

people wonder why Verso does the things he does cannot empathize with him, literally, they cannot get into his headspace of being a knowingly fake being painted after a very much dead boy in a world he can't go to, but knows is there, he's less than a passing dream of real-Verso, less than a fleeting memory of real Verso, he's the idea of a dream from someone elses idea of Verso.

Not only that but renoir knows she lied, but he loves her so he chooses to give her a chance, and her ending proves she fails

then they reveal that humans went extinct a long time ago.

That is the twist of the first game retard.

That's pretty common actually. There's always another bad behind the big bad

REAL Renoir is Gommageing everyone, Painted Renoir is on the Paintress's side.

Real Renoir is trapped under the monolith in a slowly winning (for him) battle with Paintress.

Brilliant counterargument

I'd fuck burnt Alicia desu

And Clea is helping the real Renoir by creating the Nevrons and making sure the chroma in the canvas is trapped and doesn't go back to the Paintress so she's slowly losing her powers.

Both games have this same twist. And like 80% people played Automata first, because the first game is mega jank.

You'd fuck anything you dumb incel lmao

they even spoil it

You'd have to be face-blind and retarded to not think they are twins at the very least.

irrelevent, the creator expects you to know all of the backstory/previous games in that franchise, including stageplays.

and yes, the crossover with FF14 is the canon continuation of the Nier story and has the androids coming back together and using the Warrior of Light to stop the Red Girl.

ooooh

he thinks liking this shit makes he smart

People concerned with intelligence are usually the dumb ones in my experience

so really if Clea just told Alicia to mind her own business, the entire game would have solved itself

Pieced it together in Act 1. The black and white scene with Alicia made it clear that Maelle was special and since Alicia was the same height as Maelle...

Clea wants Alicia to mature. You find this out if you beat the Endless Tower. She comes across as actually loving in her own way.

Don't know why you decided to sperge out. The humankind thing is treated as a big reveal at the end of Route B.

but you already know that if you're a super fan!

Dude no one cares, stop shitting up the thread with this autism

yet she's callous and hateful to her creations and others.

she's the only one who fully doesn't care or believe they have anything real to them at all.

Potentially but it would've taken a lot longer and Aline was already in a pretty poor state by that point. Clea mentions that the both of them have spent much longer time periods in a canvas world in the past but who knows how much longer or if age has anything to do with how much exposure they can take.

no, she knew Alicia will meddle anyway so atleast she needed to control the damage
i fully believe it was Clea who painted Maelle over her

Verso is the one that matters, and that piece of his soul is gone with the canvas. I’m not even sure she can create the others, since they were born organically in that world. Like the little gestral who will be reborn, but not the same. She could revive those two because their lumina or whatever signature was still intact

TA MAIN DANS LA MIENNE
NOTRE PEINE S'ÉGRÈNE
ENSEMBLE AU FUTUR
NOUS PEINDRONS LE CLAIR OBSCUR

i fully believe it was Clea who painted Maelle over her

No, it was Aline.

Is the remix of Lumiere from Maelle's ending included in the soundtrack? What's it called?

no it wasn't
Aline doesn't acknowledge her as her own creation when she sees her and instead calls her Renoir's trick

"Clair Obscur"

Aline was losing her mind. She thought Verso was one of Renoir's tricks in that scene as well despite being that one that made him.

yes

That's really the crux of it.
People who engage with a work mainly based upon the themes and overarching generally have more favorable views of E33's story, while those who gravitate more towards characters and worlds as their primary interests tend to not enjoy where the game goes as much.

Kinois...

I don't think Aline intentionally painted over Alicia. Alicia was just overwhelmed by her chroma.

HOLY FUCKING KINOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wait- That's Aline's chrome

Stay calm, don't let it take control of you.

Calm, Alicia, or it'll paint over you-

What an auspicious start.

Well. You're about to be reborn in this world as one of Aline's creations. Have fun.

Aline was losing her mind

t. Renoir
no she wasn't she knew exactly what she's doing

he thought Verso was one of Renoir's tricks

because this isn't Verso she originally painted either. Verso painted by Aline wouldn't betray his family, wouldn't be a lying scumbag, wouldn't be selfish cunt. paintedVerso was also painted over at some point. guess by who.

Gee I wonder why would the ACTUAL culprit put blame on someone else, fuck me I can't come up with a reason at all.

You want to play quotes game btw?

Who are you supposed to be? No matter.

Renoir thought I wouldn't defend myself if HE used her face? How little he knows me.

Saving Alicia from her metal problem

Genociding her sentient friends and her whole world where she can be happy, speak, create bonds with other sentient beings

Forcing her to live a lonely life with a shitty family, a disfigured face and unable to speak

This is somehow supposed to be better

its not about better, its about facing fucking reality.

this is exactly like telling me what is better for the Heroin addict is a lifetime supply of Heroin and setting them free to do it.

you could sure word an arguement for them, but its just wrong.

Not losing his daughter is not his choice. She can live happily in the painting or kill herself irl. She is 16, disfigured and unable to speak in a lonely family, while also having the gift to create a new world with sentient people where she can have a normal working body. He can't make her like the irl life and not the other. Her choice is logical.

You've come back? But... the fire, are you really here? Or is he.. is he playing tricks again?

Yes clearly the paintress is mentally sound and just understands that Clea painted over Verso

just do heroin bro.

Verso wasn't 'painted over', it was all his own free will (remember how he talks about his scar half a dozen times)

She could only recreate Lune and Sciel because their chroma was still around because they had just gommaged. They explicitly say so.

Clea is an Iron Woman to a tee, aggressive and no nonsense with a sadistic streak.
That doesn't mean she can care, but that your not going to see her open up to people directly.
As for her actions within the canvas the Lantern Quest and Scavenger questline spells it out.
Clea saw the canvas as her and Verso's Playground to do with as they pleased.
To this end she served primarily as a monster maker to challenge her younger brother and his creations.
Eventually her and Verso moved on from Verso's childhood world.
When the conflict between her Aline and Renoir happens she pokes her head in and is absolutely disgusted by what she finds, seeing her mothers actions as sullying what was a space for her and her brother and served as
a monument to their childhoods together.
So she painted over everything in the most fucked up way possible while helping out her father.

I wonder if Nier Automata had the same drama with 2B's death? I played it a few years after the release, so no idea how people reacted.

Yes, it was. Good comparison. This game, Nier Automata, and FFX had the same kind of drama and cult legacy for similar reasons.

Love this theory

Clea says she’s already stacked the odds in Maelle’s favor

verso tells maelle he last saw Clea 16 years ago

you're literally proving my point with this quote?
she see's a creation that looks like Alicia but she KNOWS she didn't paint it so she makes simplest conclusion she has to be Renoir's
one way or another Aline did NOT paint Maelle
i can't deny possibility that Renoir did as Aline's guesses but we know he's not actually that grand of a painter and likely not capable of such a feat as painting over another Painter
on the other hand we do know of one person who is extremely skilled and respected as a Painter, that is not Aline

really this isn't fucking rocket science - Aline outright claims Maelle is not her creation so there is only exactly one other Painter that could be

No, they literally say the opposite. There's nothing about "it's only because they just gommaged", and Sciel asks if Maelle can bring the other people back like them and Maelle says she can if she has chroma.

uhuh, sure bro
the way Aline decided to cope with her son's death was by painting his portrait as a lying scumbag that betrays his family to achieve his own selfish desires - the complete and total opposite of realVerso who sacrificed his life to save his family

that has to be it bro

she see's a creation that looks like Alicia but she KNOWS she didn't paint it so she makes simplest conclusion she has to be Renoir's

that quote is about Verso retard

The theme is never betrayed. Legacy is explored until the very end. It goes hand in hand with grief, and the final choice. For me, seeing Lune get gommaged is enough to make me pick Maelle's ending, her legacy can't just be this.

You may not agree with how its handled, but the theme is central to the story. Even if the whole world is a painting, does that make anything they do meaningless? Its up to you, the player, to decide a pick your own interpretation and ending.

watch asmongold get to the end of act 1

barely shows any emotion

THAT WAS AWESOME WOOOW WOOOOW I HAD NO IDEA WHOoooOOoOOAH

i knew that guy was a sociopath

You can be a massive lying POS and everyone knows it, and also sacrifice your life for your little sister

Also she knows Alicia is in the painting, its what the whole End of Act 1 grey scale moment is about.

she literally says "youre not Alicia and youre not Verso" and then "youre HIS creations (PLURAL)"? bro play the game before trying to argue you can't even remotely misinterpret it when she said it this way

everyone's legacy is that, Lune died while being true to her Ideals, her world was unsalvagable, even by Maelle.

they lived, they loved, the fought.. the died, its simply that way, nothing is going to save that doomed world, especially not Maelle's shitty little Pleasantville hellscape recreation.

who and who asked

Anon who Waifufags over character dropped by Act 3 once again outs themselves as the burden dragging down game discussion

fine ill be the one to say it: poetry is cringe.

Verso painted by Aline wouldn't betray his family, wouldn't be a lying scumbag, wouldn't be selfish cunt.

Yeah the guy who's father painted "He who guards truth with lies" as a representation of him would never lie. She didn't create an "idealized" version of her family, she created the real thing right down to her Kentucky fried daughter.

Except the quote I gave was her saying painted Verso "came back", but then being confused about real Verso dying IRL. She's clearly not mentally stable.
Also mega retard, painted Alicia's letter to Maelle says that the painted family was painted by Aline. Also fucking REAL RENOIR refers to painted Verso as "some of Aline's finest work".

You are unfathomably stupid.

that proves my point even further
she knows Alicia entered the canvas and if she painted Maelle over her she wouldn't have a reason to be confused
but she didn't paint Maelle, simple as

in that cutscene she's actually obviously against Alicia entering the canvas and clearly wants her to GTFO
if anything it's Renoir who says "since you're here just stay put" which means it could have been him who did it

Maelle not being painted by Aline isn't even an arguement by this point, with all these facts it's a simple objective truth
I can't deny possibility it was Renoir but i just don't believe him to be skilled enough which leaves Clea to be the only possibile culprit

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the Alicia ending, Sciel's husband is alive, right? Was that him? He didn't die in an expedition but in an accident. So Alicia just painted him back to life? Does that mean nobody dies in her world? She would have the power of life and death and everyone is OK with that?

everyone is OK with that?

I don't know about everyone, but Sciel definitely would be.

That's more or less what I'm getting at with my post. If she were to become skilled enough to create her own canvas then the people she populated it with would be akin to the versions of Pierre/Gustave/Sophie that she remade in her ending. Whereas one could determine that Lune and Sciel are still the originals due to the nature of how they were remade with the same chroma that they had been dispersed into.

everyone is OK with that

Not like there's anything can do anything about it

if she painted Maelle over her she wouldn't have a reason to be confused

she's mentally fucked from being in the canvas so long, that's why she's confused
she says Verso is "one of his creations" too when both painted Alicia and real Renoir confirm Aline made painted Verso

You don't know that she wasn't able to get the same chroma back for Pierre/Gustave/Sophie though.

Two steps in

Entire squad gets judgement nutted by fucking Saturn from One Piece

Maelle's repaint is a grotesque caricature of the original painting because she's a terrible painter

music in the background is slightly off from the original Lumiere's theme

the lyrics are slightly off changing the order of "dim dim dams" from the original so it doesn't sound right anymore

BROS.... DARE I SAY IT?

UHHH....

There is one thing I still don't get. How long is the age to "live" in Lumiere before the Gommage?

they have no will that isn't her own, they can think and feel and do so long as it pleases her, she's essentially a fickle, mad god.

bringing back long dead people is horrific, really, it signifies the end of meaning and the end of any continuation of life, which is fitting as maelle wants perfect stagnation until she literally drops dead.

hence Verso's horror.

We don't have a proper calendar but its a

Number goes down

Everyone that age and over regardless of when they were born gets wiped.

If your birthday is in the middle of the year your fine until the big day comes.

obviously not 100 because the first few expeditions were search and rescue, they didn't realise the painter was disappearing people to begin with

hence Verso's horror

It seems like Verso is specifically reacting to whatever those light specks are. The two theories I've seen is:

pieces of Maelle's crumbling face that are floating around

embers from the canvas burning due to Renoir lighting it on fire after Alicia's face doing that IRL

Verso plays the opening theme, implying we're looping back to the start, nothing has changed and we learned nothing

KINO

This is stupid. You're using your real life "reality" as this world's reality. In this world, creating a world full of sentient people and a new body is "real". Why the fuck woudn't you do it if you could? Have you ever thought for a second the kind of life someone like bedridden, or paralytic, etc, has? Why the fuck would they chose to "face that reality" if choosing not to was an option?

But muh heroin analogy

Thats stupid, its mindless pleasure/feeling good with no sense of meaning or purpose. In this world, she has meaning, she forms real bonds and connections with real sentient beings, her life and actions matter and have an impact.

Picking Verso's ending as Maelle is just stupid. Has absolutely nothing good to it.

exp 84 journal implies there was a long 15 year stretch without expeditions, I think 85-99 simply didn't happen

Things doing heroin, just feeling pleasure and numbness, is the same as living a life with meaning, friendships, love, and purpose

she's just a God imposing her will on her little new stewards/ usurped creations.

it isn't her painting, and even if it were, its incredibly.. well for lack of a better term, rude and horrific for the God to mingle so casually with the creation, and impose their will on them so harshly.

why even bring back Gustave and all the others when you know she wouldn't let them say.. suicide or go off and die doing something, she's bring them back again and again.

she isn't doing what you are saying she's doing, she's doing something incredibly fucked.

Why did expedition zero exist doe?
Surely 100yo dropping dead wouldn't have raised a flag. There probably weren't any people of that age at that time.

See

It wasn't made up 100 year olds, it was just people going to investigate the monolith plus painted Renoir, Verso and Clea

In this world, creating a world full of sentient people and a new body is "real"

no it's not and you're delusional
from painters perspective they are doing EXACTLY the same thing we do when we write stories about fictional characters or when we make drawings of them
it's a bunch of drawings on a canvas, magic doesn't make it any different

harry potter is not real because he has feelings and ambitions and you experience the story from his perspective bro

What is your evidence that she is "imposing her will on them" when we're very clearly shown that is practically impossible except in very specific ways that are visually obvious and not present in her ending (and something only Clea can do)?

it was real before she knew she was a Painter God, now it isn't real, now she's just being a weird controlling shit.

making sure all the people you love are around you and alive no matter what and either they know your a God comparitvely to them, or you are lying to them and living incognito among them is really fucked.

Maelle wants to grasp that gossmer thread and go back to when she was Maelle and didn't know she was ALicia, but she also wants to drunkenly, brazenly, wildly wield the power that comes with it.

Verso says that zero was a search and rescue operation because of the world getting fractured. He also mentions that they didn't know of the paintress until later so elderly people turning into flower petals probably raised some flags but they didn't know why it was happening.

They didn't even know nevrons and other otherworldy dangers existed. Why would they need to be armed?

Harry potter is a narrative completely designed by a person, not people living in a world making their own decisions.

Because the world fucking exploded on them and they didn't know what was out there.

Gestrals still existed and might pick a fight with you and kill you (this actually happened with one of the expeditions that died in the fucking gestral village). In general they didn't know what the fuck could be out there, why wouldn't they be armed.

she is putting their lives in fucking baby cribs, anon, none of them will ever die or grow old and have kids or do anything but her perpetually painted family, Verso's quite literally doing show tunes at her behest with the look of a man being walked to his execution, and neither she nor anyone else looks happy about any of it.

again, what is your evidence for anything you are saying
I asked for evidence of statements you made about what is happening, and instead you just made more statements about what is happening without evidence

just put the Piano performance in the bag Verso.

narrative completely designed by a person

yes, exactly so you do understand this
it's true in the universe of Clair Obscur as well
people in the painting are a narrative created by the Painters
they aren't born, they are painted
their lives aren't lived, they are painted
it's ALL a picture, an animation done by Painters

the evidence is that she brought back all her friends and all their friends, and this is their forever existence now, that's a complete robbing of agency and free will, if you literally canot be permitted to Die or do something besides be Maelle's best little friend, you lack free will.

you can think, you can talk, you can say, so long as it isn't in opposition of her.

When i think legacy, i think someone or something has to remain in order to recieve or inherit a legacy. "For those who come after". If the entire reality in which they live is ended, i don't think they have a legacy other than Maelle's memories of them. I agree with what you said about them living, loving, fighting, but that is more about living a life with purpose that leaving a legacy behind.

In Maelle's ending, in theory, Lune and Sciel are the real ones, the ones just gommaged, because their death was recent so they could be repainted with their chroma. Saving their world means saving them sentient beings.

nice headcanon that is disproven by many pieces of dialogue and just playing act 1

Autistic individual complains about a comment dragging down game discussion without noticing the irony of his comment

they can be the real ones, their legacy was completely destroyed by making their deaths, and all death going forward, meaningless (and impossible) Maelle will Pleasantville them likely for decades.

they won't age, they won't get to go anywhere or do anything that isn't what Maelle intends or wants, she will paint them anew the second she decides they are not pleasing her.

you can think, you can talk, you can say, so long as it isn't in opposition of her

Oh no don't do anything to upset Maelle, she might gommage you!

you literally canot be permitted to Die

Wait a minute...

SEX WITH CLEA

she won't gommage you, she will paint you again to love her for reals this time.

1 hour long director interview from yesterday I just found:
youtube.com/watch?v=0W-G2oGTQ-I

Haven't watched it yet but maybe some lore dump/DLC whatever

She she has to unpaint them first, which kills them, and make a new version, so they stay dead. Seems like if they have a problem they can just die that way in this headcanon of yours. Also there's no evidence for anything you are saying, you're just projecting this onto her.

FIrst off, you don't have actual proof that she is imposing her will on her creations. Its speculation. She could chose to give them free will and respect them, like we see all thoughout ACT 1, they have free will, make choices, feel emotions, find meaning, suffer, etc.

We do get hints that things are off in the ending. For example, personally i woudn't bring back Verso, or even make a new painting of him that wants to live, nor bring back Pierre, Gustav or Sophie, etc.

But that is the second point: Even if she did that, she could still live a better life, meaningful for her in her own way, where everyone can enjoy a world in which they are happy, until her physical body dies. Even in that case its still a better life that her out of canvass life, even if its not the way i would chose to find meaning in my life. Im not her, and maybe she want to live in a happy world for once before dying.

this is completely wrong, the opposite is explicitly shown lmao

We don't have proof of this. The controlling Maelle is just speculation. Also, death isn't the only way to find meaning and provide a legacy. Preventing a death, or reversing it (which is possible in this universe thanks to Alicia's powers in the Canvass) is not incompatible with having a legacy.

You have no proof of this.

Not allowed to cum in Sophie

I mean, she didn't want children, so I'd say the backdoor is still open.

What a way to represent a bad ending, the expressions, faces, the piano notes, and the dark and grey colors. THIS is pure art

All the feet stuff is because the director likes feet

based

Explain foot faggotry to me

I genuinely started to tear up like a faggot when Monoco and Esquie showed up to say goodbye. Last time I cried during a game was when Lee died in TWD, so it's been a long time.

It's simple, I see Lune's feet, I get hard.

The most shocking thing about this game wasn't that it was made by the French or people new to making games, but the fact that the lead writer was a woman. Women are fucking awful writers, especially fantasy, but this had some fucking S tier world building and themes.

The way Monoco rests his head on Verso's shoulder in resignation

MAKE IT STOP

One vidya out of nowhere made me rethink an entire country. I fucking kneel Sandfall.

Badly made brain. That is.

Mfw find painted Clea in the flying manor

Remember the non hostile nevrons talking about their mistress in the sky.

Thought they were talking about the paintress but they actually meant Clea.

Kino.

For me, it was the goodbye next to Verso's grave, it's kinda cheesy but I did not see it coming at all and it hit me like a truck.

I liked Verso, but "for those who come after" is such a fucking great attack line. Of course, by the end of the game Maelle was oneshotting everyone, final boss included, with Stendhal so I didn't hear from anyone else.

guy fucks women and then kills them

crazy a woman wrote this, just wow

The game is chock full of moments like this.

This, the section of the brain about acknowledging individual body parts is right next to the section about what makes one aroused.
If hey get crossed at any point durning development it leads to shit like foot fetishes.

What is this flying manor? Never found this area

I loved all the little details in the fighting.

In the result screen, the button to close it says "We continue"

When you do an aoe parry, the counter text says "Expedition 33 counter"

If you lose the primary team and use the reserve team, the text says "Expedition 33 last stand"

I'm a sucker for these kind of things

Just finished Act 2 and.... increasing the 9.999 damage cap only costs 5 lumina points? was expecting something like 40 or 99.
Also I already killed one of the white nevros... am I fucked?

yes

Yeah, Unless its the one that wanted to die.
You get a mini-boss and three upgrade material tho.

Just finished Act 2 and.... increasing the 9.999 damage cap only costs 5 lumina points? was expecting something like 40 or 99.

You will need it for the bosses that are coming

Also I already killed one of the white nevros... am I fucked?

RIP

I'm pretty sure the suicidal one requires flight, so it'd have to be Act 3.
Why the fuck are you in this spoiler thread?

French are weird assholes, but they do their part. It's the canadians who dump shitpile after shitpile, expecting you to slop it up.
When you see Quebecois, always je ne veux pas.

Esquie and Monoco are fucking great characters.

What do you get if you haven't killed any?

I wouldn't call Sciel great

Women are fucking awful writers

You don't even read books you dumb nigger, you're only saying this cause you're a faggot

Everyone talks about how good Expedition 60 was, but what about the expedition that set up all the climbing footholds and the other one who did all the grapple points? The grapple team especially got really far.

I was so ready to hate Esquie for being the obligatory mascot of the game but he ended up being awesome. I want an Esquie plushie.

100 Colour of Lumina

Is there a painted Aline? I don’t remember seeing her

No because she self inserted. Then real Renoir came crashing in and locked her up in the Monolith.

It's nice when a mascot is actually useful and has interesting things to say.

For those who come after

i get it now its so games can start being good again and new players dont have to deal with the trash has been coming out in the past few years
based devs

It helps that his introduction (and François') is hilarious.

I read literally every night, and it's almost exclusively fantasy. Even big names in fantasy like Ursula Le Guin (Earthsea is boring dogshit and Ged is a Gary Stu) and Robin Hobb (Elderlings was pretty solid, but marred by 4 books dedicated to a gay boat ride) are either mediocre or bad. Women generally just write romance shlock, but this was well written.

The white ones are like the originals and the rest are painted Clea's copies.

When people die their Chroma returns to somewhere and so the nevrons were created to like, trap the chroma in dead expeditioners. But, I honestly forgot which side of the fucking war was which here.

I think I hate Sciel and I'm not sure why.

Gustave has a whole skill tree that the devs only put there to let you believe you could level him to the end

no subversions

why did they make the evil ending so kino?

Francois screaming with rage to start the battle and Gustave looking at the camera like "For real? This is what we're doing today?" was gold.

I want more of her. She was the most based member of the cast.

She's a whore. I also dislike her fight mechanics more than the others. However, I also think she's very pretty and should sit on my face.

You could feel Gustav's confusion like "Are we supposed to fight now? He's not moving."

Blasphemous is dogshit.
bad game, bad design.
sloppy pixel art made by multiple contractors of greatly varying skill levels. none of which can stick to a coherent art style.

I also think she's very pretty and should sit on my face.

You only say this because she has a fat ass

I also thought Gustave/Verso/Renoir were the same person in different life stages, which would have been disappointed. But nobody mentionned how the guy on the Beach looks like Gustave or Verso in the camp, and if you saw your older self you would definitely know, so I put that theory aside.

It was stupid, but Monoco hitting himself in the face got me

The art direction and music in this game is genuinely so gratingly tacky and awful I can’t play it. It’s like playing an ugly mass printed painting you would find in a hobby lobby. Gamers have such awful taste in art

The evil ending is now my preferred ending due to its kino status. Verso's funeral was a tad bit cheesy.

Rebellious haircut, sirene costume.

My favorite Monoco scene was when he blew up the wall.
Lune yelling at him and he's like "I'M SORRY I FUCKED UP I JUST WANTED TO SHOW OFF" and he starts sobbing profusely.
It makes a lot of sense that he's based on Verso's dog.

Yes rebellious haircut, but she stayed in a bikini the rest of the game the second I got it.

not a real turn based game despite being advertised and disguised as one

dumb nihilistic messaging [33] number used in satanic freemasonry still a total fly over sheep’s heads

gay dark souls campfire system

kills off the most compelling character within the first couple hours

removes basic game mechanics like a mini map for sake of being pretentious as most French people are

abrupt and out of place comedy on the level of Disney made by and for retards

hallway simulator level design

dumb gimmick mechanic for each character

game has guns that are for the most part useless and feels terrible to use

stupid ap system you have to constantly build up which is boring and tedious just to do moves

parry and dodge poorly implemented just to force engagement with stupid enemy attacks that are wind ups and fake outs and get to do long combos for no reason other than artificial difficulty.

blatantly ripping off game that were better in the past playing it off as “inspiriation” or a “tribute”

no save game button instead have to rely on unreliable auto saves because lazy devs

Game is shit

Ebert comes back from the grave to make one final shitpost

Kill yourself.

When do they say that he was based on the dog?

I'm sure its true I just don't remember when it is said.

Are Lune and Sciel lesbians? There’s little clues but I just want to be certain

where the fuck is Sciel swimmsuit costume?

Verso saw Clea three times

first time at year 100 where she spoiled everything

another time when she "tried to recruit him"

one last time when Maelle was born

I guess it could have happend that second time...

No. Sciel wanted to be friends but Lune didn't back in Lumiere.

Another bait post is one more tiny step to kill threads.

So if you explore the mansion as Alicia, you will find Monoco the Third, their current dog.
Not hard to put it together that child Verso based his cool Gestral friend in his magical world on his dog.

They’re French

What? Gustave fucked Lune and Sciel had both a husband and fucks Verso. Did you play the game?

Volleyball minigame

But the Sciel and Lune she brought back are exactly as they were before.

So when she said they “shared a night of comfort” when Lune’s parents died, but she avoided Sciel afterwards, it just meant they were, like, drinking and having fun and stuff? They didn’t fuck each other?

I agree. Especially since the meta narrative being it’s all a painting they could have went all in and made it actually beautiful with interesting set pieces etc but it all just looks like any other game in the past 20 years lazily just throwing around floating shit. All in likely hood ai generated

I think that's the reward for the volleyball minigame, aka the worst minigame ever created, on the hard difficulty. Though the one for Maelle's bikini is almost as fucking grating.

Name 5 other games like it. Oh yeah. You can’t, so shut the fuck up, dispshit.

I find it funny that the director intentionally made all the minigames shit to emulate shitty minigames in older JRPGs

No. Sciel even asks why Luce didn't want to be friends. I can kinda see why people think it implies lesbianism but thats because people want to read that into any friendship. Like Sam and Frodo.

they could have went all in and made it actually beautiful with interesting set pieces

You did not play this game.

Gustave got cutie patootie Sophie

Gustave also got Lune

Gustave invented the Lumina Converter, the device that ends up letting Expedition 33 win

Gustave is the one that rallies the survivors together after Lune talks some sense into him

No wonder they had to kill this chad.

He did a fucking great job then. The only one I didn't seethe about was the race. The vertical climb wasn't bad either, just stressful.

I've been playing Final Fantasy 13 afterwards (first time) and I want to kms. The combat is irredeemably bad

Thanks. I didn't explore that mansion for shit at that point.

Did they have like 100 people in past expeditions? There’s no way there’s that many dead bodies and weapons and ships lying around if there’s only like 10-20 peopel per expedition.

How the FUCK were you supposed to find the final revive tint upgrade? Is there any indication anywhere that it's hidden behind one of the 95 paintings in the manor? At least the one behind the mirror you can guess because it's a big ass mirror and the free aim reticle turns red over it.

How many pastas did this game generate? This is the third one I'm seeing

how many did Versolf kill

first fight of the game is versus Maelle

final fight of the game is versus Maelle

This to me basically settles Verso's ending as canon.

how the fuck do I beat golgra on the gelstrat village? and who is the "missing expeditioner" the merchants talk about?

I did unfortunately waste my money on this piece of shit yeah.

It's stated that the previous expeditions were a lot larger but yes, the amount of bodies that were in forgotten battlefield was laughable. Reminded me of the mountains of corpses they had in Game of Thrones during the battle of the bastards.

lol enjoy your auto-battle and somewhat shitty characters.
Only good things that game has in common with this one is great music and very pretty linear environments. I've wanted to try the sequels since parts of them seem interesting but I've bounced off XIII-2 every time.

It seems like Verso is specifically reacting to whatever those light specks are

he's not, i don't know why you guys keep saying that. it's just atmospheric particles for the cutscene.

Was there an option to not fight? I don’t remember doing that. Expeditioner should come very very soon

The only good thing to come from FF13 is ||all the futa gifs of Vanille.||

People lived to be older so it makes sense there would be more in past expeditions, but the number of bodies in the battlefield zone itself seems like it'd have been enough for almost every prior expedition.

yeah I did the voleyball one but I'm missing one that I've seen posted here.

Immediately after the tourney? I skipped it, but you can beat her at least two other places down the road.

If you have all members (you should get an achievement) then the missing expeditioner is stuff got Gustave you didn't buy before act 1 ended.
As for Golgra she is the 1v1 superboss you can fight to unlock the weapons didn't get from the arena at the start.

Painted Alicia deserved her new beginning too. All this sadness and misery has to stop, the world is already sad enough.

name the 5 games this game rips off andsteals from that are better

Dark souls final fantasy Mario persona. Etc.

I'm on act 3 and this bitch seems to have millions of HP
I already found all expeditioners but one of the merchants refuses to sell me certain items saying I need to find an expeditioner

The only way out of the cycle of grief is for the painting to end and for Alicia to move on.

The one in gestral village opened for me after Sciel, but I do remember one in the world that didn’t unlock for me either

From memory:

easy parkour over some logs and spinning shit: Lune suit

Chained Together knock off where you climb random shit: either Monoco's suit or Verso's

volleyball minigame: Lune suit 2 (less revealing) and Sciel

parkour race: either Monoco's suit or Verso's

dodge falling balls: Maelle's suit

Sciel gets another suit from her relationship quest as well.

wtf was up with the White Sands Island? Is it just a lore dungeon? It's just the theme with the composer talking in French in the OST

I'm on act 3 and this bitch seems to have millions of HP

Have you tried Stendhal? By the end of the game, my first turn (buffed by lumina) was doing over 34 million.

Didn't you read her letter? She hoped Alicia would find another way.

Its just some vaguely related poetry.
Like that's all it is.

cut content I assume

I have no idea the meaning of that location. Unfinished content?

But she didn't and until the very end after knowing it all she still didn't

what the fuck he just said there is no plan to add 'completed' indicators to areas in the map because he finds it boring
youtu.be/0W-G2oGTQ-I?t=3983

QoL is not boring, this has been a big flaw of the game and many request it
retarded dev

When do relationship quests unlock, like 6?

That's why we need that third ending in the DLC

youtu.be/eMbMip7lsXA?si=BZTid-ES4tFerpJQ

Bro has been working in the cookie cutter Ubisoft mines for years. He is just traumatized by their bullshit is all.

5 or 6, I can't remember. You'll know when you get there though because it'll mark it on the map and remind you if you try to spend time with the person again without finishing it.

Nobody looks happy in this ending

Blasphemous is KINO!

Height of pretension

He's right though

So there's no doubt that Renoir is just gonna take a little power nap, have something to eat then just come back in full force in the painting to finish the Great Gommage, right?

Obviously he knows that Alicia is not leaving, and he just left by himself so Aline wouldn't kill herself in the fight. He's gonna strap Aline to a bed and reenter the canvas.

Minor inconveniences give a game character

How could you be happy, knowing your life isn't real and that nothing matters? Verso especially, having his "sister" force him to dance like a puppet. Grim ending.

I thought he just needed to physically destroy the Canvas, no need to reenter.

Ngl this scene freaked the shit out of me

He can't win, Alicia already surpassed him. Clea could stand a chance but she doesn't care, she thinks it's Alicia's. So does Aline. Only Renoir and Verso truly cared.

If it was that easy, he probably would have done it long ago instead of spending 67 in-painting years fucking around. I guess it probably kills people inside or something.

I was genuinely shocked Renoir, who was objectively correct, said he'd leave Alicia. I fully expected a different phase to his fight and was disappointed. I'm thankful the devs let us choose who we thought was correct, despite also reinforcing that Verso/Renoir was the right choice.

He can't win, Alicia already surpassed him

My brother in Christ, the Renoir and Aline that we fought were washed out, exhausted versions of themselve. Alicia only won because Aline entered the painting and fought off the Axons by herself, otherwise Alicia and friends were fucked. Renoir would have beat her angsty emo ass without Aline.

Yeah, everyone "real" would need to be out, which is why he wanted Aline and Alicia free.

I'm on act 3 should I explore the full thing or go straight to the final mission?
I demolished all act 2 bosses and I'm at level 60

Straight to final mission, then do the rest.
There's not point in waiting, and if you do side stuff you'll be so powerful in the final fight it will be a bore.

Do Maelle's character quest first

literally everbody in the game agrees that Alicia is a shitty paintress

I can't argue that without going into some gay DBZ powerlevels discussion. We just know she beat him with zero chroma, and okay he was weakened, but even if he came back full strength, she'd have all the chroma in the canvas. I believe he'd lose again and he knows that.

Go to the final mission first. I did everything else first and the shit in Lumiere was insultingly easy.

Go back to where the Paintress was after beating her. TRUE Kino awaits you there.

The piece of Verso's soul is constantly painting, and that means the canvas and his creations can continue to exist and develop. However, the people of Lumiere are not Verso's creations but Aline's. The game specifically states newborns are also her creations (when Clea says that Aline can only protect her most recent creations, and the scene of Alicia going into the Canvas and being reborn as one of Aline's creations), so the people of Lumiere actually need the Paintress to paint them into existence.

Many people are arguing for an ending where both Aline and Alicia fuck off from the Canvas, but this would mean the end of Lumierians, unless kid Verso takes over (unlikely as it's stated only Clea can paint over someone else's creation), or either Aline or Alicia leave a piece of their souls.

how do i get the nude maelle mod?

it seems to have been deleted from nexus mods

she'd have all the chroma in the canvas

Oh yeah maybe.
Then again, didn't she like use all that chroma to rebuild Lumière and ungommage everybody? Renoir was doing the Gommage in large part to gather chroma, and Alicia looks like she wasted it all.

The TRUEST kino is under Renoir's Drafts. I still don't know what he did, but he one shot my entire OP party and only won with my reserve team.

Be glad you even have a map with markers on it, there are so many nods to how exploration works in something like FF8 which is even more obnoxious.

The people of Lumiere are truly fucked. Aline truly is the biggest monster in this story.

Condemned to play piano for eternity by your omnipotent younger sister

weird ending

Are you fucking retarded? Mario of all things? Go away

What party did you guys use? Obvious Maelle since she's broken, but who else? For me, it was Verso and Monoco.

is not the whole concept of mario going inside of paintings?

Verso and Sciel. Put Sciel in the bikini and her ass is huge.

as someone playing on expert wish I knew early about Monoco shield skill

YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THE PIANO AND YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE IT

DANCE MONKEY DANCE vibes

PLAY BROTHER PLAY

So we're getting more shit in this universe, right? Do we assume Writers can do similar shit, where they can enter their stories?

Ugly photorealism slop

Beautiful photorealism kino

Maybe the next one will be about the Writers and entering their stories?

The OST for this game is so fucking good. I think not knowing what the fuck the lady with the pretty voice is saying makes it better, other than occasionally hearing shit like "Verso" and "clair obscur".

Did we get anything on real Verso other than "he died in a fire the writers started". Any details on what actually happened or something?

Anyone else found act 2 last boss to be underwhelming? act2 penultimate boss was pure kino tho

why the fuck there is a random sub boss called... clair obscur?

Lampaster attacks with his massive dick

i want to see official music videos for Une vie à t'aimer & Une vie à peindre

It's just a painted version. Clea says they're not real and I believe her.

Don't count on it. The director seems the type who likes new things. Continuing in this universe would restrain their creativity.

Now look at Painted Alicia. Created to be the sole victim of the fire. Aline didn't even color her. She's the character who suffered the most in this story by far.

the entirety of the cutscene before her fight

the music

the vocal glissando at the start of phase 2 when she rises to the hole in the big Paintress (as in, she's the Paintress heart)

phase 3 where she's clearly already lost but is desperately trying to protect her creations against the gommage

Absolute kino of the highest order, one of the best bosses I've seen

I just got to act 3

I feel like I should drop Lune now

I havent used Sciel at all. How do I git gud with her gimmick?

Time to get back to playing brother

The american task force is coming for you anon.

Une vie à t'aimer

Thanks anon. I was just about to ask what the official name of the song during the second Renoir fight was called. The first 2 minutes of that song are perfection.

maybe I was too overleveled to enjoy it but didn't really gave me the final boss vibes I was expecting

Embrace Monoco. Lune exists for fire damage, but Monoco can do it with Ultimate Sakapate, but with 500% more damage. Dark damage seems like a shit attribute and Monoco, like Lune, is way more versatile.

Sloppy pixel art, jerky animation.

Yes and shunned in the canvas by all but fake Renoir. Solitude was her only friend.

It's a spectacular and very emotional fight but I agree the battle itself could have been more intense

Lune's damage seems underwhelming in act 3. my current skills with her

Get Hell but otherwise lighting dance, and elemental genesis will be your strongest skills. If you really wanna pump damage use any of the weapons that generate dark stains. and stack damage pictos.

So what's the deal with white, non-hostile Nevrons?

Weird skills, anon. You don't even have a fire builder and that's her entire purpose. Hell is okay, but again, I'd go Monoco because he's way more versatile. He can also learn a void skill, which does retard damage and I'm not sure anyone else but Maelle can.

Fuckups on Clea's part who didn't come out as mindless murder machines, she made another one to hunt them down later.

You get a reward lategame if you don't kill any

They were defects meant to be destroyed. But the white nevroun that was supposed to go kill them couldnt do it. Its also kinda implyed they were the ones made by real clea.

The nevron in the Fountain explains it, but I can't remember their deal.

What is the charge?

Eating a meal?

A succulent Chinese meal?

Get your hand off my penis!

can you still do clea quest?

Almost nobody on Anon Babble played it, but the Amerzone remake this year was also French kino

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Remake
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Original

Were fake Renoir and Alicia (mask) created by Aline? I thought they said Verso created that Renoir. Then White Alicia without the burns is actually her, appearing in place of Maelle, right?

Weren't they Aussie? Maybe kiwi.

that hairstyle goes hard with Maelle

If you think that destroying the painting is an easy solution, then you're an emotionally shallow baby that didn't listen to the story.

I loved how Verso painted his own toy (esquie) and his dog (monoco) into life and spends a century with them like they're the best bros forever
actually wholesome

Wake up Maellefags, your painted world is not real

theyre real to me

You can say the same thing about painted Verso and Alicia

Were fake Renoir and Alicia (mask) created by Aline?

Yes, she painted her whole family, and she painted Alicia as the only victim of the fire because she hates her so much she wants even her painted version to suffer. Painted Verso did not paint anyone, he's not a painter.

White Alicia without the burns

That's real Alicia after Maelle got gommaged along everyone else and Alicia's memories returned to her

and Aline being the villain for the opposite reason you originally thought

accidentally press E in party menu

immediately forget that I removed a person from party

there needs to be a confirm button in the party menu with how often I've done this

I take it painted Verso gommaged with the others? I thought he was the same, real Verso who’s been living there since it was created

stfu monoco

I have the Scaverim. I dont like how getting elemental genesis is almost rng unless im doing something wrong with her.

you have to be using element trick right? raise your crit rate, dont need 99 luck since you can just choose pictos with high crit rate

real life Verso sacrificed his life saving the sister he loved

Alicia honors his memory by enslaving both the last remaining sliver of Verso's soul and his simulacrum to effectively dance for her entertainment in her virtual reality world while she progressively wastes away and dies a child anyway in the real world

who is this boy? mini Verso?

No, Aline made her painted family, including Verso, immortal and they are immune to the gommage. Real Verso is the kid without a face, who is a piece of Verso's soul and has been in the canvas ever since kid Verso created it. The adult Verso you see in-game is always Painted Verso (exceptions: the one in the family portrait and in Alicia's nightmare of the fire during the Act 2 Epilogue)

Gustave's son? Maybe Sciel's son?

I think the guilt of feeling responsible for Versos death and her childish naïveté about his canvas made making a new one a non starter. Humans are sentimental and extremely superstitious. It’s why Aline wasted away in the painted world and recreated Verso. Just making another painting is basically sacrilege.

No you retard it's the beginning and ran away before getting GOMMAGE'D after being handed Gustave's journal after they beat the paintress. Gustaves student that had more screen time than Sciel and Clea that gave him the stuff at (Clea - - > Ceal - - > Sciel BTW)

BTW I love Maelle and her ending is kino. Fuck Verofags. Absolutely filthy kin.

Gustave's main apprentice.

doesnt look like him, plus he has dark hair

Maelle's son, the father? me

could be boy Verso, thatd be extra fucked up

Good call. I just assumed it was him since he was the only kid they showed.

This is semantics. Gustave dying is a twist because it’s a subversion of the heroes journey. While people expected someone on the team would die the idea was that their death would be at the “appropriate” time. Gustave dying in at the end of act 1 which is like 10 hours long is absolutely a twist. The biggest proof of this is that in early trailer footage Gustaves profile and model show up in fights he never gets to actually be in like Duelist.

The DLC is going to be about Clea trying to save Alicia from her delusion isn't it?

Shopie embodies the themes of the game and she arguably foreshadows them. Hell her commentary on the Paintress was practically correct in a round about way.

Absolutely. Which is even MORE based because it will mean that Versocucks will not even be allowed to play it. You'll need a cleared game with Maelle ending. Absolutely, unarguably, without any argument, based and maellepilled

your honest opinions on esquie and monoco?

what weapons are you guys using on sciel, verso and monoco on act 3?

Good boys

Good Bros and I wish Esquie could be in the party so I could have a bro trip team and play Manthem while doing map cleanup.

What should I respond?

just finished the game on youtube
the ending is the equivalent to letting a psychotic person off their meds so he can live with his imaginary friends

You know how in every JRPG there is that retarded monster looking characters that is unlikable or has no charm but looks like shit? Somehow esquie and monoco manage to not be part of that stereotype and end up being charmful.

I'm nearing the end of Act 2 (I assume anyway)
Gotta say, this 'Inside the Monolith' part is kind of dragging on.

I rejected both Lune and Sciel when they asked for sex lol

it takes fucking forever, an absolute slog but one of the bosses near the end is pure kino so there is that

Verso gets Dualiso because in conjunction with Sciel's move up the turn order skill its up to 4 attacks in a row.
Ciel gets Ramason to -provide passive healing.
Monnoco gets Urnaro because the aformetioned 4 attacks on verso combined with the lumnia that puts break on normal attacks creates a strong but not OP break oriented team.
If you keep rejecting her you can bang Lune later otherwise go for it.

That's still not a twist, it's just a surprise. A twist is like if Gustave turned out to be on Renoir's side or something

its a subversion of the hero's journey

Now you're digging deep into your ass for stuff that isn't practical. No one is watching Gustave get his asscheeks cut in half and think "oh shit this archetype of storytelling has been flipped upside down". Twists make you rethink the story entirely, when Gustave died it just reinforced that the entire situation is dire and depressing

depends on who you like better

I just ran through the whole thing. Once I realized its like dark souls environments in that the only thing to find are shiny items on the ground I lost all interest in exploring. Its a beautiful world, but boring

Sciel - Charnon, Verso - Chevalam, Monoco - Joyaro

You have inherited the will of Expedition 60

so how do I get those 100 lumina points? with who do I have to talk?

I randomly got the ability to break rocks, is there any cool missable item inside of those?

All this lore discussion about Clea and Verso and such

Man I miss Gustave. The campfire scene with him and Lune hooked me instantly, I wish he of all people got to see the end of it all.

At The Foutain after doing the 8 other White Nevron Quests without killing them.
A couple of Pictos if I recall but there are to may for me to recall them all.

makes he smart

Verso/Sciel/Lune

After Act III and finishing the game, I refuse to use Al*cia (Real). Give me the painted version.

Oh No! Maelle fags I've just killed millions of Sentient beings What will I do?

sanest Maellefag

just replayed the ending, this time skipping turns in the one-on-one duel to hear the dialogue.
really annoyed me that verso won't argue for what he's about to do. maelle will be like "what about sciel and lune and esquie" and verso's like "your grief blinds you, all you see are walls!" and that's not a fucking response it's just retarded.

like that would be the moment for verso to call them fake but he won't do it he just says some vague retarded bullshit. that's all he does in those cutscenes. how anyone doesn't side with maelle there is beyond me, the fucker won't even explain himself.

He did respond. He knows that Alicia is a liar and everything she's saying are a bunch of lies, because the only thing that matter is Alicia being special in this world. He's pulling his sister out of the VR world no matter what.

Because Verso knows they are all real.
He just prioritizes Alicia's wellbeing and his own Deathwish over the rest.
And your meant to side with him because we know that stakes are her life from the moment act 3 starts and she is clearly not mentality well at the moment.

Alicia is a liar and everything she's saying are a bunch of lies

she is making extremely reasonable statements like -- 'this will kill all of our friends, please stop' -- and he's just ignoring all of it to blather about 'grief' and 'cruel choices.'

yeah, well, i didn't side with him. he didn't even cop to his selfishness, he was talking like a fucking politician, just saying some random non-sequitor instead of answering any of maelle's very reasonable objections.

It doesn't matter what he would say to Maelle. She was dead set-on staying forever in the canvas because she was intoxicated.

She's going to kill herself while her family watches. Verso knows this and Alicia's reasons during the duel are just an excuse for her to be around without her disabilities and keeping Verso close to her. He knows this and even calls her out in wanting to stay forever, rather than being reasonable. She's a liar, anon.

yeah, sure, but if the people in the canvas are real that doesn't matter much because then there are lives at stake, and lives matter more than addictions. to be even slightly justified in his actions he has to explain why sciel and lune don't matter, maelle shouts at him to do it and he won't do it.

He doesn't need to. Given that he has the memories of the real Verso, it's still his painting. He doesn't owe anyone bitchnigga.

that giant worm in Lune side mission was a pain in the ass

It's another

I upgraded attributes but forgot to rest so now I ran out of chroma elixers at a bad time and have to backtrack

episode.

Because the games biggest failing is being unable to bridge that gap despite clearly intending to.
I guess they though that by giving everyone but Verso and Alicia jackshit in Act 3 the players would stop caring about the rest.

what skills do you guys use with Lune? feels like I've been using the same 3 spells for ages

With Kralim: Storm Caller/Wildfire > Elemental Genesis

damn, can't believe I missed the Lune romance because I flirted with Sciel like 20 hours ago, RIP

Am i supposed to be hitting the damage cap 9999 at level 11?

I actually thought they are two imperfect parts of the same person, that were somehow split.
And I wasn't really all that far off.

if the people in the canvas are real

The entire point of the game is that it's subjective. You can think they're real but many think they're not or at least they're not as important as the real world people since you can repaint them if you have an idea of their essence.

It didn't fail. Most people think that Verso ending is the right one.

All the manor segments "spoil" the plot of the game

You get the track "Alicia" in a room directly connected to the room you find Maelle in
Clea's room is full of sculptures of Nevrons
You get Verso's track and room on Visages' island, you can find an Esquie plush and a gestral statue in his room

It's actually pretty creative how they use environmental story telling to spoil the plot

are any of the frozen hearts worth all the shekels?

how is that the entire point of the game? verso doesn't say that. no one says that. this issue is not addressed even slightly in the game. maelle says 'what about sciel and lune and esquie', verso shouts some vague bullshit about grief blinding you.

but the entire first half of the game shows that they're conscious, dreaming beings that desperately don't want to die. so????

so????

a sweet lie is still a lie

You didn't read the entire lore that the game offers then. The game doesn't won't shout the information at you, especially not in the voiced scenes because the direction is supposed to be subtle.

Yeah it felt a bit sloggish but the end is more than worth it

but the game won't call it a lie or show that it's a lie in any way. in fact it does just the opposite. it even has lune burning with fury because she doesn't want to die.

like, tell me, without speculating or extrapolating, what reason is there to believe that lune's life is worthless?

I didn't care for Lune or even Sciel, I literally felt nothing as they "died". Some people may share your view but not everyone.

The entire point of the game is that it's subjective

It's fine to destroy a civilization because of a lack of conclusive evidence on whether they meet some arbitrary definition of "real"

amazing take

The entire point of the game is that it's subjective

the fuck are you on about, that's not really even a theme in the story
you're right, its COMPLETELY subjective but the game barely even touches upon the subject
this isn't cyberpunk, the story makes almost zero effort to even tackle the whole "levels of sentience" debacle
the only thing it does narrate is, as you said, different perspective of different people (i.e. Alicia thinking they have "souls" and Clea thinking of them as tools for a purpose etc) but it's never actually in any sort of focus so calling it "entire point" is literally missing the entire point

if you have an idea of their essence

No, you need their literal essence ie. chroma

Stay mad, dimwit. Your waifu is not real.

but the game won't call it a lie

it's an entire ending and the entire point of the game for Alicia to escape this lie

show that it's a lie in any way

you mean the part in the bad ending where adult Verso didn't want to play the piano with everyone holding a strained expression and he only started after noticing Alicia abusing her powers to the point she gets painting cancer? Or how Gustave doesn't behave in any way like he did when he was alive?
Interpretations are a good thing, but don't ignore what the game is telling you directly to your face

If you cared for the literally who schizo demiurge family more than the original 4 niggas in your row, Gustave included, I don't know what's wrong with you

I mean there is a huge focus in Act 1/Act 2 on Lumiere's struggle to survive

67 years of expeditions

Fields and piles of corpses of past expeditions everywhere

"For those who come after"

"The future of Lumiere is more important than any individual life"

The game is named Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, not Clair Obscure: Dessendre Family Grief Counseling

They just get sidelined in Act 3, mainly because of Verso being a piece of shit

It's literally what both ending choices hinge on, it doesn't need to be the main theme. It doesn't need to be spelled outright, you fucking dimwit. Also no one read any of the lore bits or listened to the faded figures. Why do you even care about the story if you don't care about the lore details.

completely handwaving the ethical implications of creating contained worlds and life that you can erase on a whim is intelligent, but debating it is "dimwit"

NTA but this is the worst excuse of an argument that I keep having to read.
The painted people are as real as anyone, just trapped in gnostic hell due to the unfortunate nature of their creation. Nobody in the game doubts this, nobody calls them fake. The only actual counterargument is that

killing them to save Alicia is more important because of personal bias

the canvas belongs to real Verso and it's unethical to make him continue its upkeep without his consent

everyone in the canvas except for 3 have already been killed by Renoir, their chroma is too diffuse and they can't be brought back as they were, their sense of self is not the same

Renoir will destroy the canvas anyway so it's delaying the inevitable

The game is named Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, not Clair Obscure: Dessendre Family Grief Counseling

Genuine bait and switch

Painted people had zero depth imo. Also nothing is wrong with me, majority of people chose Verso ending.

If they were so real and it was so unethical then why did no one overreact as much as you?

Gustave laughing and walking to sit down in a piano concert with Sophie by his side is not out of character anon. The game drapes everything in black and white and shows Verso suffering and Maelle melting because it thinks you chose that ending for Maelle's sake. There's nothing in that ending to indicate that, say, Lune, is no longer a person worthy of consideration. I keep using her as an example because in the Verso ending the game *clearly* considers her life worthy of consideration.

It's definitely not a good ending but the writers are retarded for completely ignoring that someone could pick the ending because they don't think Lune and Sciel deserve to be erased just because Verso wants to die and Maelle & Aline are huffing paint.

majority of people chose Verso ending.

Because they didn't think of the horrific existential horror implications of the Dessendres creating literal magical worlds with trapped beings inside them for their amusement, they got carried away in the messaging the devs are trying to hamfist about "aww they're moving over their grief, escapism bad, look at the nice colors :)" instead of thinking for one minute and realising that whole family needs to be hanged from lampposts.

>the canvas belongs to the real Verso, and it's unethical to make him continue its upkeep without his consent

that's the funniest part, Verso's painting is fucked, destruction and death everywhere and the remaining family members are still creating monsters whose sole purpose is to siphon the remaining painting power to either create a bubble in a corner of the world or destroy it.
Just let the poor boy rest in peace, it's already mangled beyond recognition

Ad Populum

Because the game uses emotionally manipulative music and aesthetics to tell you exactly how to feel -- one of the game's ending is in scary black and white with dissonant piano, the other one is in color and has a hopeful family hugging. Then, once they've got you feeling a certain way, they know you're going to do whatever mental gymnastics you have to do justify it to yourself. But if you stop and THINK about it for two seconds you'll realize it's helplessly retarded and contrived.

What does that even mean? Painted Verso wants to an hero, Sciel is completely over it at this point and doesn't give a fuck anymore, but Lune is still enraged and wants to live, since she never did for her whole life, she lived for her parents' sake.

that whole family needs to be hanged from lampposts.

We'll get to that in the last chapter.

The writers wanted a sad game with no happy endings. You just have to deal with it.

clea...

Because the game uses emotionally manipulative music and aesthetics to tell you exactly how to feel

Actually people are just retarded
Lumiere being destroyed aside, at the end of the Verso ending Alicia's whole family has disappeared, and Gustave is beckoning to her instead of waving goodbye. It's clearly not supposed to be all happy if you actually pay attention.

I'll fucking kill you dumb cunt (((Wrigger))).

Except one of them gets the clair and another the obscur, it's not exactly impartial.

is it me or monoco is just a better lune?

on ending has Alicia playing pretend until brain death, the other has her fixing her family, getting over a tragedy and come out of her shell
I don't know how you can say this when it's right above Disney levels of good ending

Lune is just not very good in general, she gets outscaled by act 2

The only reason the Verso ending wouldn't be a happy ending is if the painting people's lives matter. But if the painting people's lives matter, then that ending is a fucking moral atrocity.

Why would I want a good ending for Alicia? Fuck her and fuck her family.

Fuck her

don't mind if I do

I beat a boss with the name of the game. That means it's the end, right?

They have hundreds of other canvases. The moral implications of their worldbuilding for the "real" world are horrifying.

You have to use mental gymnastics to care about Lumiere people too. It's scary when people get attached so easily. Personally I don't care what ending someone prefers, it's mentally ill to get fixated on either.

The next two are kino.

Renoir Aline and Clea are probably all thousands of years old.

Making their titular enemy just some fodder boss was very funny

yeah what's the deal with that? why some random side boss is called clair obscur? feels like I'm missing something here

late game Lune is a genesis one-trick with massive AoE damage but it does absolutely shit damage on single target compared to Joyaro Monoco, yes

It's an art term "chiaroscuro" literally implying the whole game is a painting.

Give Gustave a few more years and he'll develop the Lumina converter so much it can make you able to fight god, just exit the painting and punch Renoir in the face

is Joyaro an optional weapon or something you can find on the main story?

Both my Lune Hell build and Monoco Sakapatate Fire are one shot nuking multiple enemies, you just have to build them right.

Optional I think, from a Sakapatate boss

how do you guys spread your stat points? I'm level 70 and have 0 points on defense and HP

so what's the most difficult dungeon after finishing the main game? so I can do it last

Renoir's Drafts or Flying Manor

Verso was holding her hands

doesnt look anything like that kid

Seriously when the fuck do you get to break the 9999 dmg cap? Enemies are tanky as fuck and I've been doing 9999 for my main attacks for like half the fucking game at this point.

crit/agility>def>vit

honestly it's better if you beat the game without ever breaking it. only post-game stuff is balanced around being able to break it.

Enemies are tanky

no they aren't
if you reliably cap 9999 on your hits then every main quest enemy should be a breeze

are you in the optional snow area? nothing should really feel tanky from my memory

my crit rate is at 46%

press x at this time

good job!

everything flip flopping out of focus

I couldn't get past the first gameplay trailer. There needs to be an alternative Anon Babble for retards to gather with their retard games.

buttchin

chiseled jawline

lmfao