The most poorly written character in the history of fiction

Couldn't they have at least tried to make Ben Starr's character look a little less like Clive

PLAY IT AGAIN, BITCHBOY

Can you elaborate?

He's not poorly written
He's just an asshole

not an ounce of comeuppance

How did Aline get away with everything?

What did she do that deserved comeuppance?

The final chapter of righteous punishment for the family has not been written yet.

Hey Verso, let's live together a normal lifespan of 70-ish Canvas years with our friends and go on adventures all together!

I'll bring back your family, your girlfriend... We'll have concerts in the Opera!

Oh and I won't have to be a cripple in the middle of a war between godly powers, which is nice too.

I'll even look past you killed Gustave. And everyone else. Twice. I understand where you are coming from, but let's protect this beautiful world together for one last hurrah!

Verso: *panicked autistic screeching*

But his motivations were retarded

His motivations are deeply rooted in the fact that he isn't actually Verso. He obviously has his own wants and dreams, but he still feels like it's all a mistake.
Unlike real Verso, this Verso is genuinely truly part of the painted world. But with the assumed memories of real Verso what he truly cherishes is not his painted canvas but his family in the real world. And he does not want his family to drown themselves in his canvas even if that's the only way he could ever be with them.
Verso, both of them, might have loved their painted canvas. But they would have always sacrificed it in favour of their family. The problem for painted Verso however is that he can't escape the canvas himself.

His motivations make sense. He wants his family to live in the real world.

Eh, it's been 100 years since he understood the fact they are not his real family nor his real memories. His motivations remain retarded since he is entirely aware the people he is killing his actual family and friends for are the ones that sentenced him to a life of unaging personality dysphoria.

No. He admits himself the painted beings are sentient and then feels completely justified in doing a mass genocide event to get his family to stop playing VR games (even though it could be solved diplomatically or by killing Mom and Maelle to boot them out so Renoir could speak with them sternly). He is retarded and evil and has blatant disregard for living things because of a very mundane issue.

"The people that made me suffer eternally are having mild problems at home entirely rooted on the fact they cannot communicate!"

"Should I try to find a way to get them to communicate?"

"Nah, genocide of my entire world and loyal friends is easier probably."

"Lmao rekt" *fades*

He's a casualty of the plot. Someone has to gatekeep the flow of information to pace out the dramatic story beat reveals. It hurts his characterization that he always is keeping secrets. It's a lot harder to justify every single silence from an in character perspective versus a meta perspective of narrative pacing. The result is a garbled mess of a "character" without strongly defined beliefs and values because they are constantly constrained by the demands of drip feeding information. It's why I never cared about Verso in the slightest.

Dude had Gustave killed for plot reasons alone. There is no justification for it. Shit character.

boy, imagine the writers have the same relationship with the "real world" as the painters have with the canvas
sudennly someone is very hillariously hyphocritical

since he is entirely aware the people he is killing his actual family and friends for are the ones that sentenced him to a life of unaging personality dysphoria

That's just how much (painted)Verso loves (real)Verso's family. Because by the end of the day how fake or make-believe he might be, (painted)Verso is still Verso. And Verso loves his real family more than his painted canvas. Even in the scenario where the painted canvas has what could be more literally claimed to be (painted)Verso's family.

it's ok for Maelle to want to escape her life but Verso is autistic for wanting the same

he is french, advanced cowardice is their thing
better to burn the planet than face his problems
its telling that everyone in this game is essentially running away from something

Maelle's escapism is only hurting herself. Verso's deathwish is genociding everyone.

Maelle's escapism is enslavement for everyone instead, it's not any better

Literally your headcanon while the other one is an undeniable tradeoff, so pretty much better for that fact alone.

Her ending literally shows painted people only exist to be her happy little dolls

And that's what makes it retarded. No such person exist with that type of morality, because it is basically a dysfunctional psychopath's train of thought.
Which he may very well be, considering he is one of the most morally disgusting fictional characters in a playable party you'll find, but even then it doesn't make for an engaging character.
It just makes for a retarded bulletproof plot device.

retard

Realitychads stay winning

I am not going to entertain your stupidity in another thread, schizo. Have a concession and wait until some other retard is willing to take the bait.

fuck it's FFTA all over again lmao

I accept your concussion

He's not poorly written, he's just a dumb faggot. Easy to hate, he's written fine.

lol

The real villains of the franchise in the next games: Les Réalisateurs

All the arguments made by external players (not in-game because they don't make sense) that the destruction of Lumiere isn't horrific because

they're not real!

they're NPCs!

Because they have a known demiurge who can edit the world, will fly out the window immediately.

I'm on it boss
bitch aint ready for this new script

Except that's not the case since I do consider them real and that erasing them is the merciful scenario over entrusting the human mind over them.

That's reasonable logic to follow.
It's different people doing everything that needs to be done for what they think is right.

If your logic was to spare beings from being made under the power of Alicia, for some reason despite the game showing she is basically the most empathic person to them you will find for obvious reasons, you are at most ensuring that she goes on to just make thousands of other paintings and worlds instead of just happily fading away in this one as she wants.
So even by your logic you are working against yourself.

Wow having a benevolent protector god is actually le cosmic horror because it is a human mind. Curious that you didn’t get mindbroken from having your parents (human minds) control your environment as a child.

Why are literally all versotards this retarded?

because it is basically a dysfunctional psychopath's train of thought

Only if you deem the painted world to be "real" so to speak. Which it arguably is and arguably is not.

projecting your personal childhood traumas onto other people

lol

I am against the painters' power in general
It's not God, it's playing God. And sooner or later they're bound to do the equivalent of drowning your sims in the swimming pool. The difference between metaphysical creation and biological procreation is that in procreation you are literally a continuity of your parents, and since you have no agency as a child it's best if they're left in control over you. Meanwhile as I said, metaphysical creation is just playing God. Your creations are puppets.

I’m saying you don’t get mindbroken due to your protector being a human.

Not entering philosophical nonsense rodeos.
The characters behave like they are real, the people that interact with them behave like they are real, and the storyline is written to make you understand they are as living as anything else.
No other frame of thought is even entertained by the game, therefore I will not bother doing so myself.

No other frame of thought is even entertained by the game, therefore I will not bother doing so myself.

Verso's vestige thinks they have souls, but it says Clea disagrees.

Seems like an overall reach and overcomplication of an otherwise very straightforward storyline.
But whatever floats you, nothing against it.

Richfags can grieve for 67 years over one family member because they don't have a job or anything better to do.

I didn't claim the devs intended that(although it definitely aligns with Verso's ending being at least preferable to Maelle's). It does look like if there's a sequel it will involve the painters vs. writers war, while I would have simply preferred Renoir and Clea to find a way to get rid of their powers for good.

well it's been proven again and again that Maellefags are AGP troon, so yeah

He's actually the most complex character. It's why simpletons hate him, because they don't understand him and try to boil him down to stereotypes or one motivation.

The only inconsistency is with how they react to the third Axom

the people that interact with them behave like they are real

At the very start of act3 Verso goes on a whole screed of how it's all make-believe and how he (the painted Verso) shouldn't even exist. While explaining how their mother was killing herself over it, with the strong unsaid implication that it wasn't worth it.
That's not Verso treating it all as if it was real. He isn't even treating himself as if he was real.

And Renoir most certainly is not treating it as if it's real. (painted)Renoir did, but that guy was made by Aline to share her perspective, and she was huffing all the paint-escapism.
Clea also doesn't think it's real.
And even (painted)Alicia implicitly acknowledges herself and the world to be fake. She doesn't condemn (real)Renoir for killing the painting or (painted)Verso for allowing it to happen. Unlike with (painted)Verso however, (real)Alicia still exists. And when (painted)Alicia confronts (real)Alicia, she finally feels comfortable to erase herself in favour of (real)Alicia.

While they are acting somewhat suicidal, it's very easy to see how neither (painted)Verso nor (painted)Alicia consider themselves, or by extension, the rest of the world to be real.
That doesn't mean all of them are entirely heartless however. Torturing the painted people and their world is still acknowledged as cruel. But it's still clearly, by a lot of the cast, considered to be lesser or even subservient to the real world.

Why does Lune and Sciel keep following Verso in act 3 again?

He admits himself the painted beings are sentient and then feels completely justified

This is the one thing verso simps can never seem to get. Verso knows if he's real or not. If he isn't real then it's all just npcs killing each other and no harm done. But if he is (and he would know if so, because he would have the capacity to 'know' anything to begin with) then he's just an abhorrent and irredeemable traitor and mass murderer.

The two are mutually exclusive. He either isn't real and he's just an automaton following a script, or he is real and he's a completely amoral villain.

There's no other option besides those two.

he's the only male left in the world they can have sex with

THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS THE HOBBITS
TO ISENGARD TO ISENGARD

It hurts his characterization that he always is keeping secrets.

His characterization is that he's a compulsive liar and manipulator though.

There is no justification for it. Shit character.

He isn't a shit character, but he is an evil one.

Because at the start of act 3 he genuinely believes that Maelicia is the key to the painted world existing without anyone from the real world dying.
Then they confront Renoir and realizes that Maelicia is just like her mother. That she will stay in the canvas until she dies in the real world.
Him destroying the canvas was a decision he made in the moment, thanks to Renoir leaving the admin panel open.

There's no other option besides those two.

You're mentally deficient.

Sure hit me with a 3rd option

He might just be a racist and think painted people are lesser than his sister. I don't know how he could party up with them and kill them like it was nothing otherwise.

Him destroying the canvas was a decision he made in the moment, thanks to Renoir leaving the admin panel open.

Did you not finish Monoco’s quest where he says he knows Verso is going to kill them all and Verso doesn’t even deny it

That's just option 2

were you raised by a 16 year old crippled girl on a power trip

contrivance

Can't be worse than nu Kratos. Can it?

>"The people that made me suffer eternally are having mild problems

Aline will literally rot and die is she does not get out, anon.
A druggy walking down assured destruction is not mild

That last camp scene was about Noco trying to convincve Verso he could still have a life in the canvas if he wished.
If Verso still wanted the canvas gone after his talk with Maelicia at the start of act 3 he would've sided with Renoir right away.
Instead he believes Maelica, that their mother will never find the canvas again. That she can moderate herself.
Then he sees how quickly his Aline finds and re-enters the canvas. Seeing his mother slowly dying in real time combined with Maelicia lying to Renoir reignite his conviction to finally put an end to the canvas.

Monoco*

Why didn't Fake Verso just an hero himself if he thinks so little of his painted existence?

Did you play the game? Aline made him immortal, he can't die no matter how much he wishes to.

If Maelle's ending is supposed to be the good ending to you guys, why didn't she respect Verso's wishes and unpaint him from the canvas, letting him have the death and freedom from immorality that he wanted? That alone is step one in showing that Maelle's ending leads to a miserable future.

Seeing his mother slowly dying in real time combined with Maelicia lying to Renoir reignite his conviction to finally put an end to the canvas.

Yeah, this is the moment when he decided it's enough

Damn, I actually forgot about that kek

He was thinking about doing it but Esquie convinced him not to. Also he's immortal.

prease

yet you still get the gameover if Verso died, laaame

Also when Maelle dusted his sister without asking for his opinion

That is technically optional content, but yeah.

Immortal does not mean invincible.
It would probably take him a long time to put himself back together after getting smashed to pieces by a nevron.

aiiieeeeee why does the game not have 500 completely unique npcs in the 5 minute long opening of a 60 hour long game!!!!!! what garbage is this?!

what's going on with the sudden thread spam?

Notable that the people who say it's real are the two actual children (child Verso and Alicia/Maelle), while the adults (including fake adult Verso) treat it as fake make-believe. Even Aline treats it as fake make-believe, she just drowns herself in it.

The game over is "Expedition Failed." If everyone else dies then Verso could hypothetically just wait for the next expedition and try again, but then it would be Expedition 32 or 29 or whatever instead of Expedition 33.
And then in act 3 if you die Verso isn't going to be able, and maybe not even willing, to take down Renoir on his own.