Shits all over every other SMT game

smt4

remain in obscurity

Sadly, I don't think so. I fucking love SMTIV and Apocalypse, but bringing it to PC or console would basically require a remake. Since they were on the 3DS, they were able to get away with the 3D environment being low resolution and blocky. Bringing it to PC and just bumping the resolution would look horrific; genuinely PS1 era models and textures. They were able to (arguably) get away with it in the SMT Nocturne port because the environments looked decent as is. So they just made things less blurry and moved on.

SMTIV and Apocalypse would need to gut the 3D mechanics, upgrade a majority of models, bump the textures/resolution, add in proper camera control, and essentially prep for players being able to now see what was hidden by the 3DS' limitations.

I would fucking adore a port, but they would have to do a lot of work. Which, looking at the Nocturne port, they seem against that notion. It would be sick though. SMTIV has my favorite setting and world to explore in the entire series. Hell, being able to play those games with all of the DLC alone would be awesome. SMTIV and Apocalypse had a weird amount of proper DLC missions despite being on handheld, most of which I would bet people completely missed.

Higher odds of it being remade w/ heavy asset recycling from SMT5.

Pokemon made 2 games this generation with copy pasted 3ds textures and those games sold 10 and 30 million copies.

Yeah but pokemon fans are also mentally retarded, they would jump off a bridge if Pikachu told them to.

VV is far better
IV fags are insufferable.

SMT VV exist, so you're wrong. You're right that its stuck in a shit console and you have to wait until Altus rerelease it on the PC as they only rerelease one or two game a year for $$$$

Raidou is the older game so clearly they're doing that first to try and revive the Raidou series as a whole. They're probably going to at least remaster and/or port IV and IVA at some point, it'd be kinda weird for them not to.

Man who the fuck thought RNG hell aka Naraku is a fun tutorial

It always feels like Raidou 1 weakness is the combat and that 2 is better, but seeing that they're just going to add in the entire 2's combat to 1, 1 remake is easily going to be the best Raidou game.

And those games are generally considered bad by anyone who isn't a fanatic for anything Pokemon related? We're talking about mainline SMT; an already somewhat more niche JRPG series compared to things like Pokemon. They already have an uphill battle selling these games to a lot of people.

In a lot of ways, but SMTIV has better characters, better story, better environmental exploration, and better atmosphere.

I love SMTV and SMTV:V, but the blasted, desert open world with dumbass characters who change to their alignment out of nowhere kinda blows chunks. Everything else is an improvement in SMTV:V though, sure. But I fucking love SMTIV's world-building and everything.

has better characters, better story, better environmental exploration, and better atmosphere.

This is a joke right? Oh I forgot, IV fags don't know 90% of IV is just a rip off of SMT1 and 2. But actually thinking the characters are good? That's hilarious. I miss when mostly everyone shit on how bad the writing was. Now even people look back at IVA's writing fondly and that somehow got even worse.

Compared to SMTV's characters, yes. They're better by miles. Are they well written characters? Not really. But at least they aren't having moments like Ichiro literally taking his hat off, slicking back his hair, and suddenly going hardcore Law. Hell, even Vengeance has problems. See all of the jokes about Yoko fucking hating cars.

There are plenty of games in the mainline and spin offs that dump on the others in terms of writing quality. But if we're comparing SMTIV and SMTV, which you were, yeah, SMTIV has better characters and overall writing.

But at least they aren't having moments like Ichiro literally taking his hat off, slicking back his hair, and suddenly going hardcore Law.

Unironically filtered, holy shit.

Great point, never thought of that. It's definitely great writing to have a character be a sniveling nobody for 80% of the story, see that his angel mentor gets bodied, then suddenly start monologuing on a rooftop, slicks his hair back, and is now telling her what to do while screaming about god's plan/teleporting around.

They definitely built that up in a well-written and paced manner.

Look man, I love SMTIV and SMTV. But SMTV's literal worst aspect was its writing/characters. At least with SMTIV, the characters are generally by your side, consistently commenting on events, having moments that push them to their alignment, have breaking points, but still genuinely want you on their side. SMTV's characters just flip in the last few hours and are actively antagonistic towards you at times even if you're siding with them. It's nonsensical and genuinely felt unfinished. Hence why SMTV:V basically just remixes everything. Which is an improvement, but it brings it from a 2/10 to a 6/10 story.

SMT IV story suck ass, though. SMT I was peak.

Still some of the best music in the series.

You can talk to Dazai's roommate and classmates that tell you he's always been a schizo and the only reason it's not outwardly apparent is due to being a people pleaser. He lacks the strength to assert himself which he desperately wants to do because he wants to be popular. It's why he's a youtuber because he's chasing recognition. Unlike previous lawfags that get mind fucked into their alignment, Dazai was always hard law, the only thing keeping him back was his cowardice. In CoC you can see the steady build up of his character and realizing being the sword of heaven is how he gets that recognition he craves. Abdiel does the exact same thing because you find out she let the rest of the Seraphim die in the war and didn't revive them like she was supposed to so she could also get recognition.

If you actually fucking read the side dialog, he's actually the best law fag in the series.

V has grown me more at least for the battles

So instead of it being presented through natural progression of the character and seen in the main story, you need to talk with various faceless NPCs and extrapolate from things like him making videos for attention...which lots of teenagers do. And that leads to him going from a sniveling suck up in the scene where he checks in on Abdiel, to full on wipe the world for god's plan on the rooftop. Right.

I'm aware of the themes and what's in his characterization. I'm saying it's trash in its presentation and pacing, especially compared to games like SMIV where you just see the characters develop, hear their upbringing from them, and see the conflict build.

SMTV has this problem as a whole. Look at Yakumo. Easily one of the coolest and most interesting characters. But the only way you find out half of his motivations, what drove him to where he is, is by talking to random figurehead NPCs on the city map every couple story beats. A character with extremely interesting nuance in how he views demons, works with them, what he lost in the past, and how he's fighting now. None of that is actually really present in the story. You have to go talk to NPC #48 for critical info.

SMTIV, and many other SMT entries, have that same world-building and context through NPC dialogue. And they also have things play out in the main story. You get both. SMTV is a fantastic game; the characters and story are mediocre at best, outright unfinished feeling at worst.

4/4A have more demons that 5 and 3 combined.
They're not gonna model that much shit for a remake.

So instead of it being presented through natural progression

Yes that is the point. SMTV is minimal and gameplay forward. You can ignore the story if you want, or you can read everything to get the whole picture and see how the characters actually develop.

but I don't like that, I need the plot force fed to me or I'll call it poor presentation

There are many people that enjoy this style of story telling because most if not all JRPGs on the market force you into a cutscene and dialog every two steps. The problem with IV is that it was dialog heavy and didn't have much to say. A shit ton of world building almost entirely wasted in the main story.

SMTV's characters just flip in the last few hours

you mean like after the reactor where walter and joanthan just completely forget everything they learned in the alternate tokyos at the drop of a hat because they have to be the alignment reps now? Please tell me you're trolling so I can still have faith in humanity.

What drugs are IV glazers on? I'd like to try some.

a severe case of nostalgiagoggles for their first entry that only let them remember the music and world design, because the rest fucking blows

They'll bring a port of IV+A over to steam in about 2 years. Have patience. We're getting DDS first.

We're getting DDS first.

Lol, you'll get a Raidou 2 remake before you ever get DDS.

fatlus remake

Fuck no. All their releases are worse than the original games.

You're shilling smtv man, neck yourself.

in your path

Bro this was the rerelease

It's like the dark souls of persona games

avatartranny

You'll never be a woman, just like the dubtranny va of that handholding piece of garbage persona game with infinity invisible walls and endure stacking.

getting triggered into a rant by a reaction image

I want Kaneko to do proper games again, I know he apparently did some non megaten stuff recently

I don't remember doing that, stop projecting

You're gonna get upscaled original sprites and you're gonna like it.

And that means you should have heard how much of a shit show that game is.

wrong pic

You'll still never be a woman, just like v will never be a good game.

he just does contract work now, like magazine covers or some shitty nft card game

I wish I was rich enough to hire him

IV feels like the game of the century simply because metaphor and VV are that fucking bad. But all SMTs are great (not vv)

Rather have Doi, it's not his fault that VV had no quality assurance on the designs.

Pic not related.

shits all over every other SMT game

2 still has a better story. I like 4 though and I'm hoping their willingness to port the EO games mean they port 4 someday since the lower screen is even more unused in it.

2 still has a better story

I is better doealebeit.

is the best title in the entire series

is better than any persona

is better than metaphor

t. just beat it in 2022 and never played any other SMT game dropped P3 when scarf guy showed up, dropped P4 during the 1 hour unskippable character introduction, beat P5 after SMTIV was so good, got to the end of metaphor but I just wont turn it back on for another 4 years and there's absolutely no reason not to it's literally in sleep mode on my nogamestation 5 right now
sorry for party rocking but this trvth nvke had to go off.

never played any other SMT game

of course
you and every other 4 fanboy

3fags are even worse about that desu.

Yeah but the vibes in IV are insane

They unironically aren't.

even worse, he played shitloaded and jobbed to fucking persona 4 only to play the worst persona, the one that's literally made for jornos and inbreeds because apparently reading is 3hard5kidz

can we get some arguments other than whataboutism please

III > VV > IVA > IV > I > II > IF

You're fucking insane dude.
No one is arguing anything, retard

2 has more of a surreal and intense plot than 1 though.

I played 1 and Strange Journey and I still think IV is the best overall package.

Undertale/the remnants of Deltarune that have been released have better writing than every smt game, AND it stole its negotiation idea.

4 has pretty boring gameplay that's easily broken, 4A is the best RPG in terms of gameplay ever made.
VV is a better all around package than either (but pales to 4A gameplay-wise)..

4 has the sickest soundtrack. VV and 4A have their tracks, but 4 has the most kickass music.

nocturnefags are so buckbroken by iv that they shill v

Grim. Stick to le epic retellings of your Matador wipes caused by your sub 80 IQ.

I don't think you know what remnant means

but everyone loves the 3ds

God damn I hate all you fags so much. Can you please go back to Anon Babble?

VV > IVA > III > IV > II > I

4A definitely has the best gameplay of the series, that I agree with. Shame about the characters and story...

SMT4 is the xenoblade 2 of SMT.

3DS

dog shit console

snoygger please

they have the same obnoxious fanboys at least

IV fag has a melty

4A is the best RPG in terms of gameplay ever made.

Yeah, picking out two demons with tho decent affinities so I can make a dps demon with two elements cover is such great gameplay.

VV is a better all around package

NuZelda collectibles, everything being locked by cutscenes and unity generated open world slop really makes a great game.

yeah that's what I mean.

VV

open world

LOL

Empty auto generated

shitty invisible walls

ubishit tower

korok seeds

Sounds like a modern open world game to me.

open world shart design but more importantly not a smt , cosco ass game

but enough about 4

IV was handcrafted, V is just an empty Nocturne dunes world map turned into third person traversal.

I still think IV is the best overall package.

that's not what you think search your heart anon you know it to be true.

No other title can compare especially when you get greeted by this every time you perform fusion
youtu.be/Nu5be_ez3XY?t=72

Uhmmmmm no it has le...... IT HAS LE CORRIDORS COONECTING THE OPEN WORLD OK!??!!?? ITS NOT LE OPEN WORLD SHART ITS LE DESIGNED

WHAT THE LE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU CAN AOE EVERYTHING , THIS IS SMT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO AOE EVERYTHING AND DODGE BATTLES YOUVE NEVER SHARTED A SMT IN YOURE ENTIREL IFE

This is what VV retards actually believe.

handcrafted hallways with bad textures, what a profound dungeon crawling experience

sorry you had to slog through those grindfests my dude. 4 has every modern marvel and quality of life change necessary for a non neet in the an era where everything is competing for your attention. It's actually good too. I may still try and play V one day but it wont be for a long time.

It's no EO but thank fuck it's not VV, it's babbyfied to the point where it doesn't feel like the developers think you are mouthbreathing retard

you keep bringing up 5 like it somehow absolves 4 of being a shit game, I hope you realize it's not working

I remember the first time I played this and that opening theme with headphones on was turbo kino.
It felt like I was about to watch a John Carpenter film

that's not VV though

Sounds like what smt and even the original persona used to be, corridor dungeon crawlers but they were from a first person perspective. The funniest part about your dungeon cope is that it has nothing to do with the shitty open world "gameplay" that V has to offer, and that you cannot refute.

still calling VV a tranny game when it's actually a gay fujo game with nothing tranny related in it

Shit posters don't even try

No thanks, just give me a maniax version of IV with balance adjustments and QoL of 4A.

Why are you like this

when did smt threads become such insufferable shit flinging fests? i don't remember it being like this before V released

Shit posters don't even try

IV is a great game and SMT finest alongside nocturne.

Anon Babble schizo wants to copy the fallout 3 spammer and farm engagement instead of getting a job

With additional content. Same with every version of Nocturne released outside of Japan.

As much as I loved IV it reminded me how bad we need a SMT 1 remake

maybe VV killed the IP so the backlash is expected? just sayan

v is the troon vegas of smt

makes sense when you put it that way

Why do you need a remake when you already have 3 different ways of playing the game? They would fuck it up anyways.

He thinks anything Atlus West matters

He thinks 90% of players didn't play the game in Japanese

because once you figure out Zio is broken smt1 is piss easy. I just want a remake that leaves the story atmosphere untouched.

IV was handcrafted

the game with domains, literally randomly generated dungeons is "handcrafted"

IVfags revealing they don't even play their own fucking game.

It obviously matters because every new game they make has faggotry shoved down everyone's throats in one way or the other.

It's some guy from the Philippines.

unironically thinks shitting on IV is new

does not know how enraged IV fags are over V which is what started this shit

IV fags are all zoomies first SMT and will defend it religiously. They came out of the wood work after V. There is no shit poster agenda shilling VV. It's a good game. IV praise is completely new.

muh randomly generated dungeon

the whole of v isn't a randomly generated unity slop desert

Shut up, retard.

>the whole of v isn't a randomly generated unity slop desert

You're right, it isn't. Glad you conceded and agreed VV is the superior game.

I fucking hate Strange Journey.

That being said, IV is good but I don't really like Apo because Isabeau is alive.
Oh yeah, I always side with Walter in IV, always.

yes the 4 dicksucking and screeching about trannies is copying the fallout spammer, get some reading comprehension please

You're right, it isn't.

Kill yourself tranny.

Strange Journey sucks from a game mechanics standpoint but everything else is cool.

Pipe down, eunuch.

Projecting, VVfags are the worst people in the fanbase I'd rather talk to a hardcore pissona pedo than you troons

I had no idea how the fallout spammer even operated honestly which is why I mixed it up. I don't go in those threads.

because it's..........LE EASY

You autists are more annoying than a troon and a nigger fused together

Arriving at Ueno for the first time.

This plays:youtube.com/watch?v=VZIXqXKiZ7I&list=PLNUCb-AGXXGwiqjnq4zk0W9WNgkwwRWw2&index=35

IV´s atmosphere is just without compare.

ah, whenever a pol dicklet says this it's most definitely actually a low iq balding white mutt. It's almost like a natural reaction for them to do this

ummm.... actually it's (x random brown person who beat me up in primary school) I have no proof btw

white cuck who can't stop thinking about blac kor troon dicks for 5 seconds also doesn't like challenge

think fire emblem is more your speed faggot.

Notice how IV fans don't talk about IV's story? The fairly expansive cast of main and supporting characters, the connection between this game's law/chaos dichotomy and the prevailing themes of inequality and xenophobia? The demons and boss fights beyond Naraku? The worldbuilding? Anything that isn't da mooosik and some select pieces of concept art???

Kill yourself and free us from reading your dumb nigger posts

because nu-Anon Babble is fucking annoying and we already discussed them to death when the site was usable, this site is fucking dead and VV killed the IP.

Deal. With. It.

The gameplay of IV is trash, it desperately needs all the QoL that IVA had.

I play the game for the boss gauntlet. Did your clitty leak when you saw those shitty rendered cutscenes which are required to unlock gameplay elements in V? Even the Mikado intoduction mogs the nonexistent worldbuilding in V.

I just want a remake that leaves the story atmosphere untouched.

You won't get this, and the other anon is right about you being a dumb nigger because only a dumb nigger would say this as if it had any chance of happening

Kek he's revealed to be a shartypedo

because if they did they'd realize how shallow it is and we'd mock them for it

this so much THIS TRVTH NUKE

VV troons seething

Searching for a demon with two decent elemental affinities, or 1 decent one and other neutral so I can put agi and zio on it without any downsides is such great game design. You use the same cookie cutter builds both games.

b-b-but bonds end is "cano-

Don't give a shit, I side with dagda, merk random demon hoards to hear my new edgelord voice lines, pour 1000 million babies into asahi, and become sole king of the new universe. I love being a true chuuni.

This but true neutral in V because I can make the young man sad for all eternity and watch him suffer.

If they ever decide to remaster/remake 4 vanilla for the love of god I hope they rework the stat system to be more like 4A.

Based

Mega Based

is true but in VV i can be a tranny

Raidou Re did do just that, so here's hoping

3DS

dogshit

???

in 4A your shitty mc loves to crossdress

FUCKING WALTER STOP THROWING AGI ON MINOTAUR

in reality all plant life in tokyo would die without the sunlight

Can wear a maid outfit in IVA

all costumes are non-canon fluff, you can even cosplay as Lucifer and turn into an amazon box

Meanwhile in VV

Atlus West cut the relic description for a new dress you can pick up in Shibuya where the MC describes picking up the dresses because he's trying them all on until he finds one that looks good on him

before that in the original release, the maid dress relic only implied he was cross dressing with it

VV outright confirmed it

you just don't hear any bitching because Atlus West changed the whole line

Raidou remake was sorely needed because it feels like the devs were just given a chance to fix the game like they did in Raidou 2. They're probably as happy as the fans are to be able to rectify the mistakes they made with 1. And yet Nocturne remaster didn't really change much of anything IIRC and even fucked up a couple of things. It makes me wonder if they really would fix IV's issues or not.

You can in IV:A too. That's why the shill it so much without playing it, mind you.

IV is trash, if only because of all the reused assets from Demon Summoner which is better

Endgame maid costume that costs a gorillion zenny

cope

nigga Flynn is literally more feminine than them

disingenuous nigger faggot tranny

take the L and suicide

You can read Doi's commentary about V's MC and Flynn. Flynn was made with somewhat feminine features to appeal to the female player base who like pretty boys. V's MC is entirely different. He outright said he drew a girl and called it a boy on purpose. He's supposed to look as feminine as possible.

them

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Dilate.

oh no no nooooooo

But the white samurai is the best armor in the game, you're just a coping tranny wearing your maid outfit and programming socks, sis.

i just want a modern smt with that apocalyptic setting instead of the post apocalyptic wasteland than V has, fuck.

Sorry bro, you're not getting anything other than unity slop persona ever again.

i just want a modern smt

Fake fan.

IV's kind of fucked but the setting and soundtrack are so fucking good it's all worth it. Literally greatest OST of all time

For a genre whose main playerbase consists of teenage boys it's surprising there's so few that unabashedly embrace the edgelord phase we all had. No matter how hard embarrassed milennials try to bury their past by lashing out at "cringe" the call of the chuuni is evergreen, Eminence in Shadow blew up in popularity for this reason.

Everything is worth bringing to PC. It's free money and they made the game on a PC to begin with so it can't be that hard.

She exist there, so I gave it a pass.

Hopefully they'll pull a cybersleuth and apply IV:A's rebalancing to vanilla IV.

VV is actually a good story and atmosphere actually

what VV's story is about for at least 70% of the game (more so in the new route)

Every game after 4A should have had an edgy "kill everyone and become god" route.