Okay, in the greater scheme of Deltarune, what is the true role for RC? He's obviously more important than we think.
Okay, in the greater scheme of Deltarune, what is the true role for RC? He's obviously more important than we think
he makes the rules
It'll be funny if he was totally unredeemable, but you still have to ally with him if you want the good ending or whatever.
The only way it'll work is if Tenna is a total bastard.
Not really based on anything substantive, but if RC is a sort of Manchurian agent for Gaster or some other power like the Knight? They might have purposely made his "surface" persona goofy to dissuade suspicion.
The Sans of this game.
Why is she so fucking gay?
...
asgore shooters can't see stop losing
There is non zero chance she has incestual feelings for her mother.
He's Gaster
Deltarune is just his origin story
I hope they figure out a way to make that Darkners can exist in other Dark Worlds for extended periods. The comedic potential of Queen and Lancer fucking around is too much to miss.
I think schizoification is a result of desire, not knowledge.
Characters like Lancer and Rouxls know to some extent that they're objects in the light world, but it doesn't bother them. They have a great time getting up to their own bullshit in the dark world.
Jevil and Spamton are disordered in the sense that they've been convinced (or they convinced themselves after some prodding) that the dark world is lesser or else that whatever they desire is out of reach without the light world.
For Jevil it's true freedom to do anything beyond the confines of the classroom fountain. For Spamton it's to become a Big Shot and make deals with Lightners.
This theory's not perfect but I think I'm onto something. It's not enough that the shadow crystals show Jevil and Spamton what the light world rooms look like.
Chara and the player are different entities.
he does have the weird melted mouth thing
huh
Chara is talking to Frisk here. Pl*yer? Non-canon slop in the same tier as turd entity.
can teleport for some reason
can fly for some reason
same initials as Roaring Knight
can just build a flawless mind control device, and singlehandedly repair/build the thrash machine out of basically nothing
was going to absolutely wreck your shit if he didnt turn into stone
has no real reason to join you in chapter 2 but does so anyway
is the only person you fight in every chapter
is AWARE of dialogue box limits and this can only be seen through hacking
has a disturbing amount of similarities with papyrus, and papyrus has a sprite of him looking at a worm in a newsletter
is the closest looking person to mysteryman
is the only character besides sans and papyrus who writes in a SPECIFIC FONT
will INEVITIBLY put his very large penis in queen, cum instantly, and exclaim "GOD. DAMNIT."
putteth all thine inventories intoth rouxls card coinneth
Charisk? The ultimate chaddy daddy ship.
will INEVITIBLY put his very large penis in queen, cum instantly, and exclaim "GOD. DAMNIT."
What? He's worried about getting a virus?
Chara and Frisk X My cock is the best ship.
Same. Honestly my favorite characters behind Susie. Also I may be misremembering but the original star walker didn't turn to stone did he?
Holy shit I fucking kneel
and singlehandedly repair/build the thrash machine out of basically nothing
Sweet Cap'n and Cakes did this.
Ya'll aren't prepared for the Chapter 4 RalseixCatti ships.
i am a day 1 roulxs kaard investor i just know this nigga will be big
already doing well just from chapter 2 giving him a fight, we just have to see how it develops in chapters 3 and 4
He will get increasingly more convoluted boss fights, each one right when you forgot he exists.
the fountain opening sound effect is also a slowed down version of his teleporting sound
can just build a flawless mind control device
no he can't, ralsei made that up for some reason
he's a red herring for people that overanalyze
I'm calling it now, the Ralsei Splat gag will return with her sitting or landing on him and people will run with it.
Chara is talking to Frisk here
Posts literal who on twitter as evidence
You should stop with the headcanon.
This, the correct strange thing is that he managed to take the scraps of the thrash machine with him to chapter 2, and somehow managed to bring it to the giga queen battle despite it exploding and sinking into acid
Rouxls is likely becoming a mob henchman in ch3 based on that translation sneak peek Toby gave.
I'm in doubt that his antics survive ch4 though. The stakes have been pretty low so far. Think about how silly it would be for Rouxls to have any connection to like Dess or Alvin. He's just really silly...
Honestly I don't mean to alarm you Rouxls fans, I like him too, but he fits really well into the archetype of the minor rival/rogue whose shocking death is used to immediately raise the stakes and tension of a story.
Don't forget about his sudden and inexplicable relationship with Toriel in chapter 3
What the fuck
Also
uncharacteristically Ralsei ignores his cries for help, despite leaving him stranded immobile in acid
is the same guy who healed the king
Rouxls is likely becoming a mob henchman in ch3 based on that translation sneak peek Toby gave.
Which one?
How is he even gonna appear in chapter 3 if it starts directly in the Dark World?
he's the rules card.
he could actually be the most powerful darkner with the ability to arbitrarily redefine reality (the rules) at will.
he does this to an extent during his fight (hijacking the red/blue houses and changing their logic to fit his minigame instead just swapping color)
Depends if Ralsei can take people
I wonder if we'll get to use a landline at some point, since cellphones don't work in the dark world.
That "literal who" is the playerfags champion that wrote the localisation book claiming the "three entities" in Undertale is nothing more than his headcanon. Chara talking to Frisk is obvious since the "Soul" Chara is talking about is Frisk's, as they possess their body in soulless pacifist.
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I think someone mentioned that him and lancer are still in Kris's pocket even if you drop off the darkners
He's in Kris' pocket, dude.
PlayerGODS still control Kris btw
When Undertale first came out, Toby specifically said there was no canon name for the character you name, and that you're supposed to just use your own name.
We only found Chara through trial and error. if he didn't put the line of "The true name" in the game, we'd never have a name to agree upon.
Chara talking to Frisk is obvious
Not once does he address Frisk.
since the "Soul" Chara is talking about is Frisk's
you should stop projecting your headcanon into the story.
no guidance
mother doesn't care about her
rudy himself is DL
dess would've stopped this
would've helped his point if he didn't use Chara's name for his chicken scratch concept art desu
I have a gut feeling that recruiting everyone in an attempt to be on "the good path" is going to massively backfire
let's just put all the darkners in one big mega dark fountain
this won't be a happy ending
When is the Undertale patch with the annoying dog boss fight and Hard Mode?
His what? Chapter 3 isn’t out yet
set everyone up for "spare everyone = good ending"
subvert that in your next game
the mother of all subversions...
Deltarune is exactly ...
2,6904761904761904761904761904762 weeks away
18,8333 days away
452 hours away
27.120 minutes away.
1.627.200 seconds away.
2,6904761904761904761904761904762 weeks
that's a lotta weeks
27.120 minutes
that's not a lotta minutes
2,690476190476190476190476190476
2,
yeah I mean you come in looking at it from the perspective of
oh ralsei is trying to be nice, it's just like Undertale where he's warning us we'll have a "bad time" if we use violence
I see nothing wrong with making his dark fountain the ONLY dark fountain
it's not like we're whiping out the competition or anything and making his singular dark fountain much stronger than it would be otherwise
this will not upset the balance of light and dark at all
I don't trust that lil nigga one bit
toby.fangamer.com
Someone who knows Japanese might be able to give a more precise prediction for Rouxls's characterization here, but "quell your mouth, my dearest bimbito" sounds like he's saying "shut your mouth, bambino" which is Italian for child. But since he's called Ralsei a bimbo before he's mixing bambino and bimbo.
Anyway, this would make sense with his past shtick of seeking out evil rulers to serve. Spamton implies Tenna is like an organized criminal, and we have the fun gang in mob outfits + the shadow guys.
Everyone's already predicting that they'll be subverted by "All Recruits" leading to a specific form of catastrophe, so instead Toby will play it straight in that it gives you a legitimate chance of defying ANGEL'S HEAVEN or THE ROARING, much like how having more recruits buffs your Thrash Mech in Chapter 2, but it still won't be enough because you'll get mogged by a fullscreen desperation attack that's ACTUALLY unavoidable and kills you when the screen goes white, unlike when the schizo bosses do it.
Toby finds himself in the difficult position of people expecting him to subvert their expectations so he has to subvert what they're expecting the subversion to be
yeah playing it straight probably is the ultimately smart move here
yeah two weeks, four days and the four hours make the decimals.
(1/7)*4
the remainder is the hours (1/24)*4
Saving people does power you up for the final battle with no twist
But it's a Darkest Dungeon/Automata-esque self sacrifice of your friends the longer the fight drags on
he's pointing out that you used a comma dummy
If Rouxls keeps sneaking into other dark worlds, I will absolutely believe he's merely pretending to be retarded.
"You" in Undertale mostly refers to Frisk, since Chara talks over Frisk's body only after the soul is sold, we can use context clues to say Chara was referring to Frisk the entire time, and not a turd entity.
The Fallen, Chara, The First Child... they're still a character in universe even if allegoricaly they represent the player.
Holy shit, that's where the snowgrave dark world was
Not the bunker
Nah it's her sister.
Both Kris and Noelle see enough Dess in Susie that they're attracted to her.
Kris just had a little crush when he was a kid but Noelle wanted Dess to sit on her face.
"You" in Undertale mostly refers to Frisk
the absolute cope.
since Chara talks over Frisk's body only after the soul is sold
This is like admitting throughout all this time its been the player doing the talking which you fervently refuse to acknowledge as an entity.
Every flower shop has refrigerators.
Noelle being gay for Susie because she has incestuous feelings for Dess is my favorite Anon Babble Deltarune theory.
yeah but he's also the type of retard to use fahrenheit and i don't think i need to dignify a retard like on formatting when in truth he's just wrong and his formatting is rather isolated within his country.
1*10^3=1K=1.000
1*10^-3=1m=0,001
Yes, but for 99% of the game we are playing as "Chara"
What about Frisk?
When Frisk fell down onto the patch of the flowers covering Chara's grave, "Chara" somehow "woke up" and became attached to their body, in a similar way to how "Asriel" "woke up" attached to a golden flower.
So who's really in control of Frisk?
That's the question, isn't it? Undertale leaves this very unclear.
Frisk is definitely able to act on their own and assert themselves sometimes, most clearly in the True Pacifist ending. So they're not just some soulless puppet, obviously.
Chara also asserts themself, primarily in Genocide but are still present throughout the game, even in True Pacifist. They also acknowledge Frisk as a separate person from them, identifying them and their actions with "you," suggesting Frisk is acting on their own. In Genocide they switch to a first-person perspective - but not always, with some lines still describing things ("It's as comfortable as it looks.") or giving instruction ("He leaves them in the kitchen and the hallways," "Can't keep dodging forever, keep attacking"). And in the Genocide ending, they talk to their "partner."
Here's an important question - who really has the power to SAVE?
The SAVE points "fill you with Determination," "you" being assumed to be Frisk, as they often describe things Frisk is doing or feeling. But the name on the SAVE file is Chara's, not Frisk's.
Post-True Pacifist, Flowey will appear and appeal directly to "YOU," asking you to let Frisk and everyone else live their life on the surface and be happy. This strongly implies that Frisk isn't really in control - or at least that they would be satisfied with True Pacifist. Flowey ends by identifying 'you' as "Chara," in quotes, with a smug knowing look.
But in Genocide, "Chara" denies having this power. Their SOUL, their DETERMINATION - the power to SAVE that comes with it - "are not mine, but YOURS."
If it's not Frisk, and it's not Chara, then who?
You do realize that True Pacifist ending in Undertale was Flowey manipulating you into preserving every soul in the Underground so he could steal them, and it turned into happy ending because his plan backfired on him?
Fuck that noise, we're doing eucatastrophe again. If you try hard enough, pretty much everyone will get a happy ending (except maybe for Rudy). Edgy kids can latch onto Snowgrave if they hate happy endings so much.
Yelling "cope" like a broken record doesn't make you right, retard-kun.
This is like admitting throughout all this time its been the player doing the talking which you fervently refuse to acknowledge as an entity.
You keep protecting your own feelings onto me like Flowey and Spamton. Please explain to me how Frisk's soul being theirs makes the player the one doing the talking?
he uses the measurement system made for water and not humans
so what's it like being a glob of water?
Flowey ends by identifying 'you' as "Chara," in quotes, with a smug knowing look.
Flowey does not say Chara's name in quotes.
Asriel woke up attached to a golden flower because Alphys injected determination in golden flowers though.
Seems more like a cope than a theory
He's really not
>But it's a Darkest Dungeon/Automata-esque self sacrifice of your friends the longer the fight drags on
toby would, wouldnt he?
chapter 7
final battle with whatever the big bad is in castle town
your recruits "power you up" whenever you're close to dying
it takes all of the recruits to beat the big bad, including ralsei.
susie, excited, runs off to tell everyone about your victory. doesnt even notice that ralsei is gone.
its a quiet walk with only kris, castle town has been drained of life and darkners.
susie figures out what happened to everyone when you meet back in the town square.
the only way to save everyone is cross save item shenanigans involving the shadow mantle, thorn ring, and pure crystal.
Please explain to me how Frisk's soul being theirs
It isnt. Its the player's.
>If you try hard enough, pretty much everyone will get a happy ending
The final boss mocks you for repeatedly restarting to try to save everyone, says it's impossible
The closer you get the more uncertain they get that you're actually going to pull it off
I can see it being a kino bookend to the first Flowey moment.
I could never forget he exists
you are up to 70% on a really good day and for some reason you manage to be a non-newtonian liquid because despite your high water content everything that comes out of you is superfluous.
you use a scientific scale based on a stable and abundant material instead of a outdated refrigderant.
Which is specifically because we, the player, have a borderline infinite amount of determination that can defy any possible odds, including that of a literal capital g God like Hyperdeath Asriel.
That's the reason Gaster contacted us to let us into Deltarune in the first place, he knows damn well what a player is capable of when they fully commit to a path.
This in turn is why I think shit will only be catastrophically bad and hopeless if you don't settle for a clear path ASAP or just try to jump straight to the final chapter, you NEED to either recruit everyone or get as strong as possible through fucked up shit like Snowgrave, starting from chapter 1 all the way to the very end.
fahrenheit is what it feels like to humans, celsius is what it feels like to water.
it is really not that hard to understand.
Seam is the key to all of this
Is there a screenshot that elaborated on the theory?
your recruits "power you up" whenever you're close to dying
each time they intercept a fatal attack they get one last quip and crumble away
* The power of (something about that character) shines within you.
You're forced to watch dozens of those textboxes pile up as you survive the desperation attack
well, does it take humidity, wind speed and an average between in-sun temp and shade-temp (ambient temp) into account?
i don't think that's what it is.
as far as i know, the zero point is based on what was possible to replicate with the best refridgerant of the time, which has its work cut out for it by kelvin.
Chapter 7
Seam had to absorb the Shadow to purify the Crystals
Becomes the ultimate Schizo in the process
Megalovania + Freedom motif
I still think there will be a "true Kris route" and it involves getting the Thorn ring from an aborted Snowgrave route so you can later craft the Twisted Sword which contains a lower trance effect, meaning we as players hold less sway over Kris.
So according to post true pacifist Flowey there's someone who can still reset the timeline and take away everyones's happy ending, but according to Chara the determination and human soul wasn't theirs.
Hhhhhhmmmmmmm....
Lol, so how does Frisk live their own life in Pacifist with a soul, and why does having it give Chara ownership of Frisk's body, and not the player's?
Congrats on waking up from that coma, you've missed a lot.
Only the fearless may proceed.
Brave ones, foolish ones.
Both walk not the middle road.
Which is specifically because we, the player, have a borderline infinite amount of determination that can defy any possible odds, including that of a literal capital g God like Hyperdeath Asriel.
Deboonked headcanon from the localisation book.
my theory is that we need both
kris on his own is able to recruit everyone
but thats not enough
weird route gives various key strength items (like the thorn ring) that can push an all-recruit route over the line to saving everyone
but the weird route of course locks you out of recruits
you need to bring the items over to a "pure" save from the weird route so that you can [get stronger] without hurting anybody
wow guys guess frisk isn't an undertale character anymore because they had the misfortune to appear in the legends of localisation book
So according to post true pacifist Flowey there's someone who can still reset the timeline and take away everyones's happy ending,
Chara. He straight up says so.
but according to Chara the determination and human soul wasn't theirs.
Frisk's, as Chara takes their body.
Undertale fans can't comprehend perspective changes and playing as two characters.
Will Deltarune's RPG elements ever be actually mechanically satisfying? There are plenty of options for good party gameplay and it could happen if the party-act system is further elaborated on, but I don't see it happening.
so how does Frisk live their own life in Pacifist with a soul
He lives on with our soul.
and why does having it give Chara ownership of Frisk's body
Only if you sold your soul to Chara, which he takes control over after you no longer have any agency over Frisk.
and not the player's?
Our soul is connected to Frisk's body, we as player have no body of our own to speak of.
Right, the determination comes from Frisk.
you missed my point entirely you faggot retard
If the player doesn't exist, who the fuck is Chara talking to at the end of Genocide?
If Chara was meant to be talking to Frisk, then Frisk's sprite should have been there.
probably not
to be fair to toby, the most important part for most people is the actual bullet hell segments, the rpg stuff is a vehicle for that
It was a pleasure serving you, young masters.
Weird Route will NEVER be important to getting the good ending, quite the opposite. It's about breaking the game and derailing the plot. Spamton warned you already that you may achieve freedom through it, but you won't like the outcome.
Oh, you're right. I just hallucinated that. I try to use "Chara" for %playername as opposed to Chara, the kid who died X00 years ago.
But the point stands, Flowey's assumption that "Chara" has the power to SAVE is contradicted by what "Chara" says in the Genocide ending. It seems reasonable to assume that this could be meant as clarification, as with other information we get in Genocide.
Yes, it's not clear how it happens. We know that Toriel took Chara's body from the coffin in New Home when she left Asgore, and buried them in the Ruins, at the place where they first fell down where the patch of golden flowers now grows. So Chara's "essence" was present there, either as some kind of human ghost or from the dust of Asriel/Chara that fell on their body, like it fell on the flower seeds that became Flowey.
We can assume that Frisk's SOUL is the source of Determination that they latched onto - they're "possessing" Frisk in some way. However much control you think this gives them over Frisk's actions, and how analogous you think this situation is with Kris and the SOUL in Deltarune, is entirely up to interpretation.
The reason why they woke up at the start of the game, and not before when any of the last six fallen humans must have also fallen in the same spot, seems to be that someone "called their name." I think that there's some dialogue that suggests this could have been Flowey in-universe calling out for Chara, but on the meta level this happens when we name them at the start of the game.
So Chara can reset the pacifist timeline, eventhough genocide Chara says the power of determination was Frisks?
He lives on with our soul.
Proof?
Only if you sold your soul to Chara, which he takes control over after you no longer have any agency over Frisk.
But why would having OUR soul let Chara take over another person's body? Maybe, just maybe, the SOUL is Frisk's to begin with.
Our soul is connected to Frisk's body, we as player have no body of our own to speak of.
Proof? Proof Frisk is a soulless vessel without their own soul, even though humans absorbing human souls is impossible?
Would make him a pretty tragic character, considering that he would probably KNOW what he's doing. Unlike previous schizobosses, he'd be mindraping himself, knowing the consequences
I can see it as a kind of
I'll absorb all of this darkness and then you'll have to defeat me to get rid of it
sort of self-sacrifice
Frisk.
If Chara was meant to be talking to Frisk, then Frisk's sprite should have been there.
You're right, Toby overestimated the intelligence of the NuFanon. Thankfully the Japanese fans perfectly understood it.
YOU GOT THIS KID, YOU'RE... A... [BIG SH................
toby win't do this to us... right...?
That's not really a contradiction. Chara being capable of using RESET doesn't necessarily mean they gave determination. You can turn on a computer even though it isn't you who is conducting electricity. After-all, the file is in Chara's name in the end.
I never said Weird will be used for the good ending, I said if you want to avoid getting walled by one of the catastrophic events, you have to fully commit to a path from the very beginning.
You can either be the hero as prophesized, or you can break the world and defeat the enemy. Maybe some third option if Toby's feeling spicy, who the fuck knows.
it'll be like S;G
you need to do it all to understand how to cheat the game and get the ending you want
KIIIIIIIINOOOOOOOOO.
That would be so stupid but it would probably still make still cry like a giant pussy.
I still get teary eyed whenever I stroll through New Home. He's capable of it, I'm sure.
The reason you actually need to fight Jevil and take him with you is because he wasn't bullshitting with the "THIS BODY CANNOT BE KILLED" line.
He just tanks every shot.
Cope harder.
Then it makes no sense Gaster would seek out us players to let us into Deltarune because of our prior experience with Undertale if all of the events of Undertale were solely Frisk's doing, and we were basically just glorified spectators.
Chara being capable of using RESET doesn't necessarily mean they gave determination
"The being with the most "Determination" in the Underground has the power to change FATE and use the in-game save/load system."
- Toby Fox
I think it is expected that some violence is needed in the golden or at least good ending. You still have to beat Asgore to a pulp in the pacifist route in Undertale.
you appear to be under the impression that something being in the legends of localisation book makes it "debunked"
Proof?
The game.
But why would having OUR soul let Chara take over another person's body?
Because, get this, OUR SOUL is attached to said person's body.
Proof Frisk is a soulless vessel without their own soul
The fact that narratively Frisk has no agency to begin with. I mean even if you discarded the player, wouldnt it be literally impossible for "Chara" to be inside Frisk's body as a SOUL? Flowey straight up recognizes Frisk as "Chara". That alone proves the SOUL wasnt Frisk's, but according to Chara, that SOUL wasnt his either. So the logical conclusion to reach here is that its the player's. Beyond logic I guess only merch can hint as much, Frisk's shirt has no SOUL.
kris is a beta male and can't fuck noelle into being heterosexual
toby giving chara a "canon" name was a mistake
Take care of my son, lightners.
...My bouncy little pumpkin b--
Lancer asks where his dad is after the battle.
you're not committing to the weird route in my theoretical though, quite the opposite.
you're creating a "doomed" timeline and abandoning it, but taking a little piece of it to your own to make you stronger.
you're making a perfect timeline that has both the strength and recruits needed to save everyone.
It's either that or you need to summon the Schizo Bosses from your inventory because you won't have access to Susie, Ralsei or Noelle.
And mind you, the idea of the SOUL being the player is something that's directly embodied in Deltarune.
You're specifically hijacking Kris' life. You can say things that make no sense to anyone like greeting the newly-moved-in Sans as if he were a dear old friend, because that's what you remember him as from Undertale.
Honestly that would be a cool twist, but I'm more excited for the prospect of a joke at the end of the game where Alphys checks the closet in school and gets fucking trampled with the amount of shit we put in there.
Better that than the fandom coming up with a dumb name for Chara
Lancer asks where his dad is after the battle.
Nah, don't worry, Lancer will join his dad just before the big final attack :)
RIP Mugsy
Note that if you're telling a girl you like her then it's really fucked up to frame it entirely around your dead sister.
Doing my 97th run of Deltarune to ensure Bratty's Soul is safe
Gonna play this game forever like the Binding of Isaac
I can 100% see Lancer sneaking into the final stand via Kris' inventory.
That anon is retarded who won't listen to reasoning or connecting the dots between games or Toby's inspirations. Its kind of waste of time since they ignore everything in the games.
Kris will date a purple scary girl.
That's right! Kris will date Muffet.
I still don't believe you'll be able to get away with genocide scot-free. More likely it will be the opposite - bringing the items from Weird Route into proper route will just taint it and the result will be the equivalent of post-Geno Pacifist.
Deltarune is an unfinished game, we still don't know what Gaster's deal is. Did you know people thought Chara was going to be literally the player irl during the Undertale demo, just like we do for Deltarune?
And I was saying is that Chara could be syphoning Frisk's determination to RESET at True Pacifist. After-all, even in genocide it's them who RESET the world back after giving the SOUL.
The part about determination coming from the player is explicitly non-canon.
The fact that narratively Frisk has no agency to begin with.
"""""Narratively"""""
So, just your headcanon, then. I can dismiss your post, especially since your only real evidence is non-canon merch.
If Frisk is some soulless vessel, how come they speak without our input at the end of true pacifist?
That's how we find out what Frisk's name is in the first
The part about determination coming from the player is explicitly non-canon.
no it isn't
Forgot to link the post:
The fandom proved how god awful they are at naming stuff when they decided the evil route should be named "Snowgrave route"
Yeah I'm sure that'll be applicable for the rest of the game.
Cool fanfic anon. You really should try playing the game sometime though.
why do you think snowgrave will just be pacifist again?
especially when it's called side b?
The person I'm replying to is the one saying Frisk is a soulless vessel with our soul. I agree with you.
consider: you can abort snowgrave before killing burger and keep the ring.
presumably, noelle will be too spooked afterwards for you to get a chance to take the ring back.
you have to abort the route at just the right moment to actually get your [specil item]
Isnt it called "Weird Route"?
he will return, trust in the plan
it's called both
you've been literally running on headcanon and coping about Deltarune's player having every bit on information that happened in Undertale for the story, still claiming that the SOUL is Frisk's. It doesnt matter what Gaster's deal is, we know for a fact that the SOUL is the same as the Undertale one.
consider: you can abort snowgrave before killing burger and keep the ring.
Oh boy
I understand the three entities part of my "Final Thoughts" has troubled fans & will remove it in future prints
It's too risky to read too deep into anything, because you could start seeing what *you* want to see
In the end though, I have zero say in what's true lore and what is not.
Everything not coming from Toby in that book is not canon.
we know for a fact that the SOUL is the same as the Undertale one.
This can have literally infinite explanations other than the player being canon in Undertale, which is why I ignore it. In truth, there's no evidence IN UNDERTALE for the player to be canon IN THAT GAME.
you will never point and hearts come out
Everything not coming from Toby in that book is not canon.
he didn't say that
It's referred to as both sideb and weird.
To me this is more justification to just call it Snowgrave, at least for now, since it simplifies things, you know exactly what it's talking about.
Snowgrave and that moment of killing Berdly cements the route in place.
I really don't think Toby's gonna let you get away with killing Berdly and then taking the Ring, you take it before then or you exist in the doomed timeline you've created.
he's also JUST BLUE GASTER
you are ignoring the thought of timeline hopping.
so its a lot of waiting for [power], [grabbing] them, and throwing away tons of [timelines] trying to get the perfect [timeline]
we are creating timelines, taking what we need from them, and ditching them. all for the purpose of empowering the good timeline enough to actually get that perfect ending.
the "other problem" in our case is just how many goner vessels this will make
In the end though, I have zero say in what's true lore and what is not.
I have zero say.
Reading comprehension moment.
(Hathy smiled hopefully)
You got this!-DESTROY IT!-...It'll be okay.
Now we are all Starwalkers
a shame
To add to what you're saying, its basically not possible for Frisk to be in Deltarune for numerous reasons before that gets bought up and its because
1. They're on the surface with his friends and alarm clock events takes place in this instance
2. A neutral route ending happen where they escaped the underground
3. The world is destroyed along with Frisk
4. The false pacifist route takes place and the fallen goes basically kills all the friends we made along the way.
Either way, Frisk in some manner is going to be busy doing something as it is a parallel universe which is also why I find it hard to believe the fallen is in Deltarune because he somehow got attached to Frisk's body.
i think that's a reading comprehension moment for you
I don't like him as pretending to be retarded. I want him to actually have agency and the power + knowledge to be the game breaker... but i still want him to be utterly incompetent. Like a Kefka/Wheatley figure, I guess.
You're absolutely not getting the chance to take the ring by the time Noelle's meant to join your party again in a future chapter, I'm willing to bet it's because it'll have completely stabbed itself into her finger to permanently affix itself by that point.
We know Susie refuses to let you take shit from her unless you trade it out for something else, so the denial of equipment management is already there.
we are creating timelines, taking what we need from them, and ditching them
And we will be punished for that.
This can have literally infinite explanations other than the player being canon in Undertale
You are very determined in your cope ill give you that.
I accept your concession.
i think it would be funnier if rouxls continued to appear, doing increasingly suspicious things, only to just never actually have anything to do with anything actually important
like at most maybe he tries to do some NEO bullshit like the schizos but just gets cucked by something and goes back to normal right after
The game's code refers to it as both weird route and side B internally.
yeah the goner vessels, read the spoiler.
but we have to create them in order to make our perfect timeline where everyone gets to live.
do not let my sacrifice be in vain
remember as I was
I was the last starwalker
He's a fragment of Gaster, just like Seam and FRIEND and Mystery Man and Everyman and The Man Behind The Tree and REDACTED
3. The world is destroyed along with Frisk
This isn't true. Even then like I said, there could be infinite reasons why the SOUL remembers Undertale outside of a player in a game 2/7ths of the way through.
What would happen if a used onahole became a Darkner? Would it act like a lover to the Lighter that used or would it be like the Lighter's child?
He'll show up at the end and reveal that he was actually a secret schizo the whole time act like he's going to be the final schizoboss then he'll immediately die and the game will continue as if nothing happened
We will see who is victorious in 2035.
we know for a fact that the SOUL is the same as the Undertale one.
This is news to me. As far as we know, that SOUL belongs to Kris.
Coinfession denied.
You saying it repeatedly doesn't change the fact he died along with all of his special little files in his special save folder that you ignore. Your next cope is that Frisk somehow got into Deltarune which is the only thing that makes sense from the angle you're going at which got de-confirmed by Toby years ago.
I accept your concession.
It would be convinced it was a cream-filled eclair, and would seek someone to eat it.
finally, some real productive discussion
The japanese actually call it "A route" because "proceed" got localized as "advance"
Susie comes in the room
"Yo Kris, you gonna eat that?"
proceeds to die a dozen times to Jevil
As I said, you will not get away with doing amoral thing for "greater good". There may be flaws in the true happy ending (like Asriel and Sans' machine in Undertale) and you may be incentivized to go beyond to try and fix them as well, but your sins will catch up with you to yank your super-duper happy ending away from you.
Susie promptly eats it. Kris was about to say something, but Ralsei holds him back and mouths no.
There is only one ending. Snowgrave is an attempt to derail the plot that will ultimely fail.
It was better to be friend with everyone before dying that dying alone.
esl
I mean, we pretty much discussed that already in context of Asriel and/or Kris leaving their mark in dragon book. Immodest Dragon will either try to get child support from Kris or mistake Asriel for the father of her child.
but your sins will catch up with you to yank your super-duper happy ending away from you.
i wonder if toby's gotten better at hiding files so that being above the consequences is harder than deleting a single file
I just assume some sort of soft lock will happen.
You saying it repeatedly doesn't change the fact he died along with all of his special little files in his special save folder that you ignore.
Those files aren't canon since they still exist on a NO SAVE playthrough, where Flowey straight up says you never made a SAVE. Even then, losing a SAVE FILE isn't the same as death.
Your next cope is that Frisk somehow got into Deltarune which is the only thing that makes sense from the angle you're going at which got de-confirmed by Toby years ago.
Or... we could just wait and see who is right. Playerfags fear the mere possibility of being wrong. If Deltarune finishes and the player was canon, I can accept it. But before then, I would rather argue using evidence from the actual finished game.
"Proceed Route" would be better too
How does he live without any hands?
Parrot.
I assume it would be less meta, actually. As I said, instead of ruining your entire game, you will be just punished for bringing "evil" items into a "good" save.
I hate that you're right, Toby is kind of spineless like that
How does he get off?
Those files aren't canon
We are finished talking anon. This has been a rather fruitless discussion because file bullshit is how we get over half of the gaster shit and the FUN values. Perhaps Toby in Deltarune will make it more apparent rather than being subtle.
Do you think him and snowy 69 after school every day because neither of them have arms?
Monster Kid actuallty has a long tongue she uses to manipulate stuff like a hand.
Proof? Proof Frisk is a soulless vessel without their own soul, even though humans absorbing human souls is impossible?
If Frisk were not human, but simply LOOKED human, then they could hold a soul that wasn't their own.
Bed humping, unless he's flexible enough.
autofellatio
This one isnt even up for discussion, Noelle mentions a voice commanding her that was unlike Kris' in Snowgrave. Kris is also against some of your dialogue options, some of which stem from knowledge of Undertale that Kris has none of.
Those files in particular are non canon for the reasons I said. Obviously the Gaster shit is canon, don't be disingenuous.
she
Yeah, nah, we have enough edgy and cynical crap in the media already. Something with clear-cut morals is a welcome breath of fresh air.
mfw the Purple Dragon lewd book might become a Darkner in Chapter 3 since its in the house
Rouxls is Gaster's gay and retarded son
PILES OF ASRIEL'S DUST
Gooner Frisk theory...
i killed sans, reset and got my unchanged true pacifist ending
owned
erm actually the soul is frisk's or chara's or some third guy (who still isn't (You))'s, idiot
If Frisk were not human
Frisk Is A Giraffe
Dude I already want to fuck Asriel and Ralsei, just allow me this.
Her armpits are very accesible!
Playerfag FEAR the soul being their own character and destroying their self-insert delusions.
monster kid is CANONICALLY male sorry bro
Find me a background NPC in DT that is as hot as pic related.
Yeah, but you didn't gain any benefit from it either. It was a do-over, not another timeline. You just wasted your valuable irreplaceable time.
Too many people in these threads forgetting that Deltarune is being developed with consoles in mind
Jaru will be vindicated.
Easy, QT.
The SOUL appears when Gaster is directly trying to connect to us, before Kris is even introduced. Then Gaster tells us to make a Vessel for the SOUL to inhabit. Either Gaster stole Kris' SOUL for us to use and Kris took it back, or Gaster summoned the player in the form of the SOUL and Kris stole it.
Then stands in front of it, lost in thought.
I always interpreted this as Noelle trying to trigger her memories to figure out what happened to Dess
bnuy keeps her brother on leash
Noelle makes Kris howl like a dog
TM trained Shit Gang like animals in the original version of her fight
And people STILL believe Toby's fetish is lesbians.
Yeah, but you didn't gain any benefit from it either.
Actually I got a bunch of new dialogue
There's also the the three kings who decided to live inside that cart and look like animals.
Enough about this discussion about players and the soul. We all know the SOUL and the Vessel are the Goner version of Frisk. Proof? They having two stripes.
BELIEVE IN THE TWO STRIPES THEORY.
trial and error
Chara's name was in the greenlight trailer, one of the first trailers for the game.
youtu.be
Toby is a man of broad tastes.
You know, I've always felt that she is underappreciated.
You can't have a piece of media that wants to acknowledge that it's fictional for the meta plot but also wants to treat you like a bad person for treating it like it's fictional it's stupid
toby's real fetish is schizophrenia
I have taken satisfaction in killing Papyrus and Papyrus ONLY in a neutral run just to upset Sans like the powerless cuck he is.
Do you think a squadron of Tsunderplanes will kamikaze against the giants during the roaring under Glide's command?
She's a futa in this drawing, isn't she?
Just another helpful interface provided by Royal Sciences LLC
You are a terrible person. I just want you to know that.
You're a good person. I just wanted you to know that.
don't say that.
why do you have to ruin the weekend for everyone like that?
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
You are a adequate person. I just wanted you to know that.
I don't like him as pretending to be retarded
this, i want him to still be autistic as fuck regardless of his significance
what if she is? you gonna cum all over yourself?
He's just Hol Horse
Never change Anon Babble, never change.
Just a little bit
Do you think they will top Spamton with the next schizo boss? It seems like a gargantuan task to do so at this point in time
asgore is close to finishing growing his toriel clone. that's why he can't afford rent or food.
Chapter 4 will have the best schizoboss yet if Toby doesn't fumble into "religion bad".
They are!
Reminder.
Reminder that final boss theme on Snowgrave route will be this:
youtube.com
Play stupid game, win stupid prizes.
then sorry to disappoint you
files.catbox.moe
it'll be like S;G
I hope Deltarune doesn't end up being anything like that time travel slop desu
Sometimes the less inspiration taken from something the better.
u mad doe
Did you forgot that he sent everyone into frenzy last week with a single sprite that was already in game? I bet people were thinking that nothing will top Jevil too.
For all we know she could be hiding a big surprise between her thighs. But that asides, this is still nice.
To be fair, Jevil was an absolute banger from nowhere in what was already a surprise release.
Even Toby didn't expect Spamton to get anywhere close that level of love let alone eclipse him entirely.
No one forgotten. Whatever happens at the end will lead to Sans papyrus bailing the fuck out of the deltarune world.
Yes, and he will unscratch Grillby's sign, and Papyrus will forget about the existence of sun and grass, and then Sans will be moping for years about people he had met few times over a course of one week. Admit it, you just don't want this tale to have a happy ending.
The thing is that Jester secret bosses have been a thing since...jesus, what? Kirby Super Star with Marx?
Meanwhile, a deranged used car salesman is a new one. I cannot think of a single game prior to Deltarune with a character like Spamton.
Religion IS bad though
Religion schizo boss could be unfathomably kino.
Imagine if he just calls Susie a dyke to her face when she still hasn't even processed her feelings about Noelle.
Imagine him saying to Kris "GOD FORBID WE CALL A BOY A BOY!"
lol
Rudy is likely to be in the church chapter, I have high hopes for it
Plot twist - Toby became disillusioned with Episcopalian church and how milquetoast it is, and the moral of the story will be "WE NEED EVEN MORE ORGANIZED RELIGION".
As Kris was busy deleting his gamer logs with Berdly to be a dick, an odd error began to pop up, ceasing the deletion
Frustrated, Kris began to drag the minecrap icon into the garbage, but it sprang back as if it was never moved
Suddenly, the fans on the pc began to hum loudly, while the pc kept heating and heating
It was as if it could melt at any moment
But it refused to die
Darkness filled Kris's vision
Far beyond the screen, he could hear a wing flapping
Like a bird leaving the next
A voice like a song rang out
"Kris, You're going to have to try a lot harder than that."
Berdly, the frozen light appears!
I only wish he was more difficult. The teacup ride filtered me more than he did.
Even Toby called it right at release.
I'm not playing the weird route so I'm expecting a happy ending of sorts.
Same anon same, the teacup ride is cancer, Spamton isnt as hard as Jevil
I guess I'm just bad at these games but I barely got past him
I'm worried that the schizo boss difficulty is going to ramp up a lot in the coming chapters and lock me out of the Weird Route content
... in bizarro world.
I imagine people like you will be in for a rude surprise when it turns out this game isn't Undertale.
Yeah, his problem is that he's boss two out of seven. Can't make him too hard.
Common Anon Babble L.
Confession denied.
The real surprise will be for people who expect this game to be Everhood.
Religion Schizoboss is played entirely straight
The fight has an inversion of Sans's life drain, he goes straight for Max HP so you can't heal
The only way to reverse it is to have the characters confess sins and seek forgiveness like Asriel used to
Screenshotted. See you in 15 years when the full game releases
Nobody is expecting that. I think most of us are probably expecting the roaring to come regardless unless we ride a very fine gray moral line.
Considering that the roaring comes if light and dark are imbalanced, it fits.
Toby's not making the follow-up game to Undertale basically say "actually, you should've killed everyone back in Undertale, being nice was the wrong choice."
You'll get your cheesy power of friendship finale if you recruit everyone, and if you don't, you get FUCKED and told "do it again, this time make sure you have the power of EVERYONE." just like how you get FUCKED in Undertale if you kill a single monster or don't meet the hangout criteria for Undyne.
Would the fanbase on Anon Babble survive if the game directly shit on the animosity toward the gay / nonbinary characters here?
"Gray morals" is a shit trope and I fully expect it to be subverted. This whole prophecy sounds like a load of crap anyway.
Yes, you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance.
Toby has gotten away with a lot more than other devs would because he does it for himself, not to push a political agenda.
He's an eccentric creative, not some weird internet culture-grifter.
having to timeline hop to force a perfect ending = "yeah so uh the good ending in undertale? thats bad actually!"
meds, now
Everyone on here would be calling it based beyond belief, especially because the rest of the internet would be seething and BUCK BROKEN that God Emperor Toby did not, in fact, grow and change as a person after using "faggot" in his romhack and associating with Hussie, who loved using words like "retard" in Homestuck.
Anon, your reading comprehension...
I've been carefully reading through every thread and critically thinking through every viewpoint to get my expectations ready. Today, that has changed. I just want to get this over with and most theories prompt a "whatever" response from me. Sure, that might happen. I don't fucking know. It could be cool, I guess.
With that said, are there any theories you GENUINELY, 100%, BORN FROM A TELEPATHIC BRAIN LINK WITH TOBY you believe in so hard that you vow to give up an arm and leg if it turns out to be wrong?
I think most of us are probably expecting the roaring to come regardless
not me
Considering that the roaring comes if light and dark are imbalanced, it fits.
I don't believe that
People still dont understand that the "pacifist" route of Deltarune is not the intended route, neither is Weird route. If you cant get the Twisted Sword, freedom wont come to Kris.
I want Kris to be free from me. and for him to regret the cost of it all.
It wouldn't have to be "culture grifting" for the characters' personal identities to be questioned by a dark world boss when stuff like that has already been happening.
Anon...
I don't know why you fags default to "PLAY THE GAME IT'S HEADCANON" as if literally every part of Noelle's character is designed for you to notice this shit.
shota azzy's belly fat...
No, the game would have even more culture war threads. It would die like Celeste or Guilty Gear.
You'll get your cheesy power of friendship finale if you recruit everyone, and if you don't, you get FUCKED and told "do it again, this time make sure you have the power of EVERYONE." just like how you get FUCKED in Undertale if you kill a single monster or don't meet the hangout criteria for Undyne.
Sounds based as fuck.
what are you even fucking talking about.
The entire Suselle arc is leading up to a Kyoko-Sayaka doomed yuri confrontation between the dragon and the angel.
Kris is aware of this and actively wants to prevent it.
That Berdly fight is unironically more hard than NEO
Goner!Frisk theory.
People who insist on not calling Kris they/them, or not wanting gay pairings. It happens here a lot
Jevil was hard, especially if you are going for violence
Toby clearly tries to keep all the political nonsense away from his work since it doesn't provide anything to the narrative. He's not above having gay furries, but he's not the type to start trying to make political appeals about gay furries.
So to answer your question, no, it wouldn't survive if Toby started inserting that. More to the point, the game's narrative would clearly by compromised by this; you can't have fourth-wall leakage like that in a game that has a meaningfully used fourth wall.
Gaster's grand physical debut will start with him facing away from the screen and monologuing Entry 17.
Then he turns around when he asks "WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK", revealing his portrait.
but that won't happen
see legends of localisation book
why do people insist on being retarded.
he.
Breeder!Gooner!Frisky theory.
especially if you are going for violence
Wasn't the violence easy modo? I got filtered first time when I tried to spare him, but pulled it off with violence.
actively wants to prevent it
How do you explain Kris (implied) telling Susie that they should go to the library after Noelle asked them to bring her over?
Kris is a cute girl.
The only based part of that non-canonslop.
I genuinely expect entry 17 to tie in to Deltarune's ROARING. Would be kino if he wasnt a bad guy and actually came clutch to dealing with the ROARING in one of the routes, while the other deals with the ANGEL'S HEAVEN.
Breeding Frisk...
It's our new resident schizo, pay no attention. He fashions himself some kind of missionary who came from r/Deltarune to enlighten the savage chuds.
Breeding her armpits...
both acceptable.
schrödinger's cock.
we don't know what's in the box unless we open it and we will not open it and the guy that owns the box is retarded on purpose and speaks ambiguously to cater to us.
too fucking bad.
"Note that if you're telling a girl you like her then it's really fucked up to frame it entirely around your dead sister."
conversation is actually framed around how she actually likes certain kinds of scary things, sister mentioned incidentally
sister isn't even dead
Anon, I know you're invested a lot in your fanfic, but you have to realize that it isn't relevant to the actual game.
There is no way Ralsei is or was not in contact with Gaster at least once. It's where he got the prophecy from. It's where he got the "script" of the game from. It's why he knows about the SOUL, about the UI, about Saving, etc.
What's in Kris's pants?
Hmm.. there's not a cock, not exactly no cock, either...
Gaster got into contact with LITERALLY EVERYONE before the events of the game
except Susie, she just told him to fuck off and hung up on him
he.
Non-canon. Play the game.
chapter 7
confront Kris inside the vessel
"Greetings. My name is Kris and my pronouns are they/them"
"My mom divorced my dad after he voted for Trump"
fight begins
At no point does anyone explicitly say Kris is nonbinary. Any interpretation is valid until the dog spells it out directly.
Someone really likes armpits...
Toby clearly tries to keep all the political nonsense away from his work
pitiful little krautsie needs Anon Babble for fast threads
reminder that these theories are undeniably true:
only schizos get speaking vocals, whether they themselves speak (jevil) or their song does (spamton and whoever is singing 'don't forget')
susie reminds kris and noelle of dess to some extent
alphys teaches the special ed class
the schizos will aid kris in his time of need, i hope you made sure they tag along
kris is not the knight, dess is
search your heart, you know all of these to be true
Yes. You.
Based Toby making Asgore /our guy/
You're right, sister has nothing to do with it. It's more about her very much alive abusive mother.
At no point is Kris ever referred to by anyone by anything other than they/them. Play the game.
the tranny that doesnt understand that xhe's a joke is back
dont you have anything better to do?
can you kill yourselves
how is dess the knight when she's trapped retard
the knight is an regular lightner that we've seen or has been mentioned
What would happen if you kiss Kris?
Hey there. My name's Eric. I'm the knight.
Kris is a cute girl.
prove it, anon
Assuming that they/them is exclusive to nonbinary people is actually very cisminded of you. Many genders and forms of personal identification use they/them.
For all we know, Kris COULD have another preferred set of pronoun that simply hasn't come up yet.
Until it's said plain and clear "Kris is a non-binary human who identifies exclusively with they/them pronouns." by Toby Fox himself, whether in direct statement or through a character who has validity to confirm such information, anything is fair game.
He'd call you gay and then french you.
I'm just glad he didn't try to retcon Undyne being a police officer after people turned against the police because of george floyd
only schizos get speaking vocals
Tasque and Rouxls are schizos?
It's an opportunity for Kris to hopefully alter how events play out, influence the people he's trying to save, keep the Dark Worlds a secret, and sets up Kris' opportunity to cause Chapter 3.
It also could just be the intended progression he's familiar with since we see he has a save file, and has presumably seen Deltarune's "one ending" that he needs the player/SOUL to alter (and create the "new future" we've been called upon for).
Dess and Gaster are the same person, Dess can't be found for the same reason Gaster can't be found.
Someone who went missing after a terrible accident
It's never been said that Noelle exclusively uses she/her pronouns, which is why i call him a boy.
except Susie, she didn't have the phone because she lives in the dumpster and sleeps on a pile of used condoms
except Susie, her father picked up the phone, yelled at Gaster and then whipped Susie with jumper cables because weird men are calling you on the phone now, eh, you decided to become a whore like your dead mother?
"I never thought the Queen would plug MY face!" says Plugboy who voted for the Queen Plugging Peoples' Faces Party
Guilty as charged.
ok i'll admit that one was partially bait
is reality alphys is the knight
Never forget
Skip
i am straight
kris makes my pp hard
therefore kris is a girl
Did you forget the timing?
Why does Toby hate the democrats?
It's OK, I too find armpits to be nice (in 2D)
yes
you decided to become a whore like your dead mother?
this is canon now. thanks for the help
Did you forget when the chapter's development took place
Now you get it! There's a reason assuming starts with "ass".
Check your privilege before you start acting like you know a character enough to confirm or deny their preferred presentation.
Is that all you can contribute? "Kris is a girl." What a shocking statement no one has considered and you only bring up to combat against male Kris, painting you as a contrarian. As if you don't consider it to be common fact you mindlessly share via pronoun usage, you have to point it out. No "Kris is the Knight and the ROARING Knight wanting to bring about the Roaring are both true, she wants to do just that." No "She opens the door so the darkness can leak to the rest of the world." No "She doesn't believe this will end the world. Kris stares at her friend Susie just before making the fountain, someone she clearly likes. She doesn't stare at her because she considers her horrible enough for ending the world to be worth it, otherwise she wouldn't be fine with going with her to the festival. Kris stares at her because she thinks the Roaring will help. Most likely help Susie live out her dreams of taking their Darkner friends to the light world." No "Kris has some reason to distrust Ralsei, we don't know what they might be talking about in the sections when we watch over Susie and their relationship in general is confusing, especially if you believe that she has prior history with him or the dark world. Ergo, she wouldn't trust his warning." I didn't mean to turn this into a theory post, but it's one way to casually show that you know Kris is a girl.
i meant post more femkris you dumb fuck
Rouxls will be Sans of this game
this isn't an airport...
no need to announce your arrival
former hometown police officer undyne - known in the right-wing extremist underground as "DRKNR_SLYR" - is about to be pardoned
talking about pronoun shit is sabotage
Sounds about right
Yeah, because you need twenty years and three thousand slaves to build a new dialogue out of giant stone slabs.
To be fair, Rouxls voice was cut/went unusued
He's finally found his people
Toby needs to make Kris do more feminine things in the next couple chapters so it's not only coomers who try to think Kris is a girl.
Give Kris a dress for a scene so people will think either Toby's sticking it to gender norms or that Kris might actually be a girl
Purple guy?
susie's dad looks a little weird in your image
Yeah, because you need twenty years and three thousand slaves to build a new dialogue out of giant stone slabs.
this is literally the dev time for chapter 3 and 4
That would explain why development is taking so long
I'll be back, maybe you'll develope a sense of humor by that time.
Well, he got producer-sama now to tell him he can just use text editor instead of slaves and stone slabs.
If anything, he responded to that whole situation that saying Hometown's police force is JUST for show more than anything, because the town is so small, sleepy and peaceful that crime is almost nonexistent, and the only controversy the force ever had was when Asgore couldn't find Dess, a blatantly supernatural event.
No he didn't. Take him back.
So… there’s one ending(?), but surely many routes to take to the same ending? What kind of ending could possibly satisfy them all?
Chapter 5 is the ending, and then the game keeps going.
THE ROARING/ANGEL'S HEAVEN is inevitable due to The Knight's actions, and the world will meet its end no matter what you do.
end of the world
Literal fever dream ending that's good enough for years of work. None of you are ready and neither am I.
When Trump lost and an evil ruler (Biden) took over.
There's one ending and a massive modular epilogue that depends on your actions throughout the game.
Timeloop
They're not really endings because they just go back to the beginning.
Only one path takes you to THE ending.
The ending is Kris waking up in their bed.
The jockington's beard teaser image makes this feel too straightforward.
18,75 Days left btw.
tick, tock.
Does Anon Babble have any thoughts about this game not based on compulsively contradicting the majority mainstream readings of the text?
Both of these. Timeloop is basically confirmed due to Kris having a pre-existing save and this unused version of the Vessel Creation sequence. The world meets its end, and Kris forces a reset, and has been through this at least once. It's just that (You) are a new addition this time around.
youtube.com
The game ends with you losing your connection to Deltarune. Willingly or not.
Ah, the good writists have arrived.
wouldn't it be great if everything you did was completely pointless?
If someone calls Susie a he everyone rightfully calls them a retarded secondary who didn't play the game.
But if someone calls Kris a he we suddenly have to walk on eggshells and respect their 'opinion'
Really says a lot about society.
the roaring happens and everyone dies regardless
Timeloop is basically confirmed due to Kris having a pre-existing save
Except that's wrong.
Does Anon Babble have any thoughts [...] not based on compulsively contradicting the majority mainstream [...]?
No.
Susie is a stunning trans xueen and we respect her new pronouns
Steam page has "only one ending....?"
There's gonna be a double fakeout where you learn vaguely that "the person responsible for Dess disappearing" was Asriel, but it turns out he did it because Dess was evil.
Those are your saves, not Kris's.
Only Chara and Frisk can have casuals thinking they're girls. Kris will always be a boy.
Your choices don't matter.
The third party who discards your vessel tells you this, Susie tells you this, plenty of sources tell you this.
Whether you assault or spare the darkners of Card Kingdom matters not, for they join your town anyway.
Even after Snowgraving Berdly into [frozen chicken], sealing the fountain and returning to the Light World, the game proceeds as normal with a few altered scenes related to Noelle, but otherwise it's the same shit.
I think it's funny that giving Susie "she" pronouns suddenly makes her a hot piece of ass to people but if she had "they/them" pronouns literally nobody would pretend she was anything except an ugly dude
The Knight has no interest in bringing The Roaring, because if he did he would have done so already.
Does Anon Babble have any thoughts [...]?
No.
it could be that after some manner of reset brought upon by kris, the lancer fan club together as per the legend or who-knows-who all the fucked up shit that happened will be reverted
ie if you kill berdly irl in game, when the world restructuring event happens he'll be back again
implying it'll be a "good" ending all the time of course
I get the impression that there was originally going to be one ending but the weird route stuff means there'll be at least 2 minimum.
Chara is a FAT girl
Your choices don't matter except on Weird where you fuck everything up, making your choices matter
The ending will be the world being re-made like Stone Ocean, Mother 3 and Sonic 06. Possibly only one person will remember the ending of the game, too.
That's your save data from within the mainframe of SURVEY_PROGRAM/Deltarune.exe.
Within the world of Deltarune itself, Kris has their own save file you overwrite when you're in the game proper.
Dess touched Kris, that why they quiet
It would be really fucking stupid if the Roaring part of the Roaring Knight in the chapter where you learn about the Roaring means nothing.
commas are supposed to go every 3 numbers, anon.
and besides, it's 18 days away, not 1,875.
tobias fuchs games are cyclical and the ending wont matter, it will be the same by other means.
genocide ending will end with a rampaging incel noelle destroying the fabric of reality and good ending is killing noelle (increasingly hard with gensnowcide) and super pacifist ending will mean we sacrifice ourselves which will end the game for US.
Your choices don't matter.
Good too see that great writists have great media literacy too. Let me guess, you fell for "It's kill or be killed" in Undertale too?
It's the same as Undertale's "the rpg where nobody has to die" but you still have to FIGHT Asgore, even on a true pacifist
it's the same shit even though it isn't
screencap this. you're going to look ridiculous.
do we even know that the roaring/ angel's heaven are the same event? what if the knight is trying to bring about the angel's heaven but not the roaring?
Dess never disappeared in the Void or anything like that, she just got pregnant with Kris's kid and had to run away from home.
Possibly only one person will remember the ending of the game, too.
Yep, Kris.
It'll just be Genocide-Pacifist where the ending is the same but what Kris is going to do immediately after the ending... well, ends, is determined by your actions.
The ROARING Knight has no interest in bringing about The Roaring
The Knight came from a world that suffered the Roaring.
i unironically did have a dream where i was watching an episode of a deltarune anime and kris had pantyshots
uoh...
He's a lion, he literally roars
even on a true pacifist
Not really. You are still on Neutral route when you fight him, and you don't even need to kill him either.
Right, and you were immediately shown that "kill or be killed" is not the case in Undertale because you could spare monsters.
Deltarune has yet to show me that my choices will meaningfully matter because the ending is the ONLY place where all of my choices will culminate into meaning, assuming they have any.
Yeah, but I'm not a pedo.
The Knight might have another purpose with making Dark Worlds that don't strictly imply the end of the world. The Queen doesn't know the Knight's motivations as she only saw him do the fountain.
Different events, Angel's heaven is what happens if the Light World overwhelms the Dark World, and the Roaring is what happens if the Dark World overwhelms the Light World.
well yeah but the hours matter.
we are exactly x-days away from the release exactly 6,5 hours ago but in their native numeric system its 6,30.
the same with the hours. i converted the hours into the 24 hour system.
and no: commas are set like this only by one country that is irrelevant to most people and liked by even less.
i have faith in you that you are able to do the conversion in your head.
People aren't ready for the evil Susie twist
A party member WILL stab you in the back
That's Ralsei.
yeah, Kris
creates the worst possible situation for Kris by following the wierd route, leaving him responsible for several murders and ruining his friendship with Noelle, and whatever else the route does in the future
proceeds to fuck off forever leaving Kris to deal with the consequences
Susie said "Your choices don't matter", not "Your choices don't matter meaningfully". Even then, she was talking to Kris, not nigga inside him who actually makes choices. And your choices do matter already, even if in a minor way.
you don't need to use commas if the number is 3 digits or less, anon.
i expect the opposite, everyone will betray susie
from the characters we know to be important, noelle has the highest chance of going rogue on both routes, either due to proceeding or grief from losing rudy
if there's a back stabber it'll be ralsel. without the stabbing ofcourse
It's almost impossible for Deltarune not to be disappointing.
Again, in the same chapter where the ROARING is introduced. Connect the dots.
Forget about the characters, you think a real person wrote Roaring Knight and thought "lol what a twist! they don't really want to bring the roaring" that'd be absolutely idiotic.
Stupid, but I'll accept it.
So when you say a number with a decimal like 25.5 do you say "twenty-five point five" or "twenty-five comma five"
I am really quite curious
We do not yet have verifiable proof that Snowgraving Berdly is a choice that matters. As I said, the game still carries on with Kris and Susie hanging out at Toriel's, and then Kris rips open a Dark World, as if you DIDN'T just direct the presumed murder of a classmate hours earlier.
Retard. Noelle will be the evil party member, not Susie. Every bit of foreshadowing points towards that. Fun Gang will stay together no matter what.
Forget about the characters
Only the Queen brings up "Roaring Knight" without even knowing what the Roaring is. If he wanted to start the Roaring, what's stopping him from opening up another fountain inside the Dark World?
Ch4's themes will be a send-up of protestantism/evangelicalism while simultaneously endorsing true service to Jesus Christ
all these people in the replies believing it's Ralsei and not Susie
pffft it's like they don't know Subvertoby Foxpectations
Oh, he'll be stabbing alright.
The only difference is whether the pillar is black or white
Pick your favorite color of apocalypse
You'll be a happier men when you accept it
you would save his testicle from dying due to testicular torsion? how nice of you
You are brown
the "evil ruler" in question is Neythanhu, who has been the president of the United States since 2016
Shut up, groomer.
Think about the intent. Imagine yourself in Toby's shoes. "HMMMM I will add the Roaring part to the title of this mysterious Knight character... But then I'll reveal it didn't mean anything at all! (twiddles thumbs)" There is a reason it's there. If you're only taking the in-universe world into consideration, it's fine, but there is a creator behind it who meaningfully put in that descriptor. It's not a bad question, it's just more likely that there's something preventing them from starting it rather than them not wanting to start it at all.
it's weirder yet that he assumes that people that like children are even endowed like this.
I just don't care anymore
Always been white
rape
argentinian "white"
if anything we will backstab susie
do we even know that the roaring/ angel's heaven are the same event?
they aren't
see
We don't currently know all the mechanics of dark fountains. Maybe it takes a lot out of you so you can only open one per day, and the fun gang has been closing fountains as they're being opened to stop the roaring.
you don't know that either
Yes, but the alternative also makes a lot of assumptions, including that Toby Fox is too dumb to think about the Knight just making a bunch of consecutive fountains
Grope
They aren't the same event, but they both have cataclysmic consequences in their own individual ways, that being the core factors of too much light/dark.
i believe toby is too dumb to think about that or thinks "yes it's a plot hole but i don't give a shit"
bump limit, post naked chara.
Europe white
you can groom Frisk to murder in Undertale already
The Knight opens one fountain a day because it's a linear story. Nobody pumps the Batmobile's tires
A party member WILL stab you in the back
it's going to either be (You) or noelle. kris isn't evil, neither is susie, or ralsei, who is 100% a red-herring. noelle is already pretty fucked and a bit mindbroken even outside of snowgrave, and (You) are the one actively pushing kris into evil actions.
europeans do not call themselves white.
that's already an own-goal and self-admission of your negligeable pedigree of proto-indo-european milk drinker genes.
Only cuck Chara here.
europeans do not call themselves white.
an interesting, but incomplete assertion
(You) will backstab... yourself?????
It's Noelle. We've basically already been straightforward about stabbing Kris as is given the whole "hijacked their life and having no matter what you do, they really do not like having you around" thing.
Snowgrave will be your divine retribution from an angel of judgment, otherwise you face a grieving Noelle that's hurt that she can't keep a Dark World open in hopes of finding a miracle cure within the magical confines that can save her father.
Paizuri...
They'll just think Ralsei is the real traitor while ignoring Your potential be evil and basically everything in and out of universe about how he wants to make You happy. They've been doing this for years.
trust me, i'd know.
Nobody in Europe pretends that Albanians deserve to live because they are white, it's a mutt thing exclusively
noelle would sooner beg hospitalized rudy to pick her up before carol
Noelle will be corrupted by some dark force. Everyone is already gunning for her - Jevil smiles at her, Spamton tried to contact her, so did FRIEND, even (You) can get on the action in Snowgrave. Whatever dark force there is behind the scenes, it has so much to offer her to rope her in:
saving Rudy
finding Dess
getting out from her mother's tyranny
getting with Susie
reigniting friendship with Kris
All this can be achieved through dark worlds, and all can go horribly wrong once she goes grimdark.
Me in the video
And Toby is no stranger to lifting concepts or characteristics from Homestuck.
This is going to be his excuse to pull a Grimbark Jade.
probably, because if queen is supposed to represent her mother's overpaternality, then she is overbearing but not even in a positive sense that has anything to do with paternal love.
rudy's a guy of poor motor function but at least he cares for his little angel.
The real twist is everyone's evil in different ways. And not in the "ohh but we all have flaws..." kinda sissy way, they'll be evil in "total genocide for slightly different reasons" way.
I can't click on it, but if Frigg isn't on it, it's not worth it.
So when are we going to get in a fight in the real world where it uses the Undertale UI?
Well, Grimdark Jane was an outright mind control. Noelle will be lured to the dark side by a carrot dangled in front of her.
There will be a joke Sans fight with song that might play when you fight sans
*Jade
fuck, whatever, Jane was mind-controlled too
Only for their to be a real Sans fight in the dark world
People were theorizing that in these new chapters you could somehow go back to chapter 1 and get the shadow mantle, but with it being time loop, it would be more like NG+ where you get the shadow mantle in these new chapters along with other items you won’t be able to use and then restart the game again WITH those items. And that way you either unlock more weird routes or some sort of alternate true ending.. much to think about
europeans do not call themselves white
???
Sans is a time cop
Sans dunks the SOUL so hard into the bottom of the window that you breach off-screen/visibly out of the window and form a fountain
sex with the murderous child
this mindbreaks the mutt
Can we all agree to just use what pronouns for the characters we want to and not otherwise discuss it next thread?
You are continuing the cycle, you dense motherfucker. Silence is golden.
sorry the tumblrina will continue the cycle and try to pretend that caricatures are genuine.
I already am, stop feeding them attention.
gay people defending their gay representation get mad over you "self-inserting" in a game where you pressing buttons manifests your will in a game where you play as yourself.
kris is my boy, even if he is female
why do you keep talking about yourself
Anyone got "HIS PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM" picture?