Doombros... How the fuck did our game flop so hard?

Can we say that Doom is Doomed?

LET THE DARK AGES COMMENCE!

I just want to shit on nuDoom and this was the easiest way

a third of steam's users can run the game.
wouldn't surprise me if even less wants to play a downgraded version of eternal

It's not even justifiable, that's a linear game with no daytime cycle or dynamic world. They just wanted to save money on development and offload it all to RTX memes.
Remember when 2016 was basically a tech demo for their extremely optimized shit and would run even on a toaster? It's like they want to do the opposite of everything they made in that game.

Lack of soul. I played through Expedition 33 for free since my coworker gave me a free month of Xbox Live and I kind of want to buy it on Steam because I had so much fun

Kinda spectacular how it's underperforming. Like, it's doing things you don't see happen often with new game releases. At this time, it should be increasing in players as it head towards its first weekend. Wednesday had it around 30,200. Thursday peaked at 30,812 at about a 600 player increase. Then Friday it fell short of peaking. It should increase during Saturday and Sunday but it looks like it might not even beat Doom 2016's peak of 44k. Where did the people go? I thought this was a very hyped release for Doom players.

No Mick Gordon no buy. The soundtrack is fucking garbage, it doesn't sound like Doom. Doesn't play like Doom either, but that's another topic.

Doom Quack sucks ass im watching mackel right now and it's unbelievable
they wanted the overwatch crowd and it shows

Where did the people go?

They are playing other games

They can't afforth the $80 + tip price tag

They can't run the game

They don't like the direction the game took

They are too busy punching walls because the game crashed for the fifth time in 20 minutes (that's me)

Fuck this game, I won't try to mak it work anymore.

4090 only gets 60fps with drops on ultra. When 2016 came out, even a 1060 could max it and get 100+ fps. It's surreal how badly optimized games are getting.

What, and Eternal played like Doom?

Nu-DOOM isn't DOOM

More than this shit.

bro

Get that nigger language out of here!

Don't be like that bro...

bruh

Denuvo and the game requiring me to buy a new vcard

you know what's funny
it doesn't look any better than eternal
I'd even say it looks worse most of the time

Unc crashing out fr fr.

game is horribly expensive for a single player, campaign-only shooter that’s 20-30h long at best

requires horribly overpriced meme hardware to even boot because YOU UPGRADE NOW GOY

looks worse than the fucking 2016 game while running at 1/5th of the frame rate because that game had artfully baked lighting and not gaytracing for every zone

Tech fetishism is a disease. There was no reason why they had to make this engine like this.

70 bucks when its also on Game Pass
itll probably be 30 during a Steam Christmas sale too

Broski-jeroski

I get people liked mick gordon's music, but not playing a doom game solely because it doesn't have his music is wild to me.

Good riddance.
They probably thought it was selling hotcakes after Eternal but didn't realize lots of people weren't happy with Eternal. Instead of fixing the game they went out and doubled on the retardation to appease redditors.

80 euro for literal 10 hour game

most popular cards can't hit 60fps on 1080p medium/low

Game isn't even good

lol. lmao

It's just one aspect and a big one. They even released the OST early, since they were scared. It sounds like a capeshit movie score.
Gordon was one of the few things that made Eternal bearable to me.

And then you get ((experts)) saying people are willing to play $80 for games LMAO get fucked

obviously there are billions of players on gamepass

I do, cyberpunk hurted my eyes in 60 fps
30 fps with raytracing is the only way to play that piece of shit game

$70 in Trump's economy
Forced RTX
It's on Game Pass

are you retarded?

Gonna be a weird fucking year having Doom be outsold by Metroid Prime.

Gift it to someone you think will like it to balance things out.

because eternal's lighting was handmade while dark ages is nonexistant and then generated from nothing by ai ray tracing

nigger

Get that bro language out of here

Isn't that what Doom 2016 had?

the music is not Mick Gordon and it shows, and the gameplay loop is not as fun as Eternal or 2016. You really notice the missing double jump or lack of vertical arenas.

but doom 1/2

give me that with no emphasis on parry spam, and call it Quake.

It's somehow even worse than Eternal

Please stop Anon Babble, on Xbox its the only shooter we have

adding to this, go play like...super gore nest, and then play some dark ages. and you'll see the giant gap in quality, in terms of level design and fun arena gameplay.

E33 is also on game pass

It's $120AUD. They spent heaps of money on marketing then want to gouge me to get it back. If I can't get it on release I'll wait until its $40 or less

bro....

Bethesda managed to turn the Doom franchise into reddit Avengers soicore shit but even less cool.

It's also $50 and 3x as long as TDA.

Still pulling more than 50% peak after almost a month

Wild.

It was one of the selling points for me when Eternal was coming out. I might get Dark Ages at some point on sale, but I'm in no hurry.

should've relabeled it and turned it to a whole new franchise
this isn't fucking doom

But Clair Obscur is on the gamepass too

Too expensive in this economy for 20-hour campaign and no endless replayability value, like rpgs, sandboxy survival-crafting, and competitive multi-player games tend to have.

I don't want to spend that much on a 10 hour campaign.

It also came out 3 weeks ago

Clair at 70K weeks after launch

40 hours at most to complete

Anti-shill bros.. how do we counter this?

this is the real issue. How do they expect to sell a doom game on steam when 90% of people can't run it at 1080p 60fps

It's the chinese bots inflating the numbers. That number of player for an rpg is inorganic.

how much outsourcing was done for the game?

There was no reason why they had to make this engine like this.

You answered your question with "that game had artfully baked lighting and not gaytracing for every zone".
Developers no longer have to build levels around cinematic lighting with hand placed shadows, reflections and light sources to make the scene feel real. Now they just "turn on the lighting" and let the GPU handle all of the rest, at the expense of all of the performance (and unique art styles), of course.
That's honestly a huge point. If this was some cinematic movie game, settling for 30FPS with high fidelity would be somewhat acceptable. As a DOOM game it's expected to run like your average CoD game, which despite the bloat, still manages 60FPS on all platforms and most semi-modern PCs. It's not something you play at 30FPS because it looks better, it's a twitch-based shooter (and not a good one IMO, another story)

Looks slower than previous entries which scares off the zoomies

Huge pricetag

Looks like a game that wasn't made for the hardcore boomer old school shooter fans nor for the spastic Eternal / 2016 fans. It pleases almost nobody

Gay ass scenes where you fly on a dragon or do other completely unrelated stuff like driving a giant mech. It seems like they knew that the main gameplay look would get boring so they decided to add that instead

Main villain looks straight out from an LGBT parade with that design

I honestly think that if at least they had gone for a full bullet-hell approach instead of this half assed shit it could have worked a lot better, but the game seems to have more problems than just the gameplay

bro... we already know the chinese are the only group running a dedicated hate campaign on the game... we have moved on from this cope...

people don't have the money to roll the dice on another game that focuses far too much on being different for the sake of being different
Eternal was polarizing enough

That's the other paid chinese to make it look like they also aren't the one botting the game

holy fuckkkkkkkkk who gets the social credit score?

It is unironically the better option for anyone who wants to play this.

lol alright come on now. you got your (you)'s stop being schizo.

this shit shouldve been quake

No one will read this but I work at id. The game was pretty much taken over by Microsoft. Forced devs and composers on us. We don't own this game. We disown it. I'm sure the same thing happened to Arkane and Redfall.

It's also a new IP and the company's first game. id is older than me and probably older than you too.

Too expensive and made it for casuals

Bill Gates here, this is untrue and homoerotic btw

Steve Jobs here, this is accurate and heterosexual though

steve jobs here, kids dont engage in sodomy, you will regret it

Just me here, i'm just tired of new games

MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME!!

it didn't look very good.

arena fps continues to die in favor of heroshooterfaggotry

4 dudes in a line has a resurgence

excuse me wtf

No one will read this but I masturbated too many times to futanari pornography and I have started taking estrogen

Well deserved L for Microsoft.

One of you is lying.

I don’t understand why “Four Niggas in a Row” was such a hated genre. I find the gameplay loop relaxing. And there’s tons of variety and replayability.

I'm still in utter disbelief at how badly it flopped. It is doing literally worse than AC Shadows did on Steam. And the vast majority of sales for doom comes from PC.

both of those can be true

it's worse than eternal in every way, even the devs gave up on it with custom mode.

80 bucks, and on gamepads, and since id software is soulless, no one's gonna give the devs extra money out of solidarity like with expedition 33

I'm unironically blaming O:demake and E33 for this. I doubt people wanted to spend almost 200 on videos games in less than a month. Even if they're different genres there's undoubtedly fence sitters that played one of two before Doom came along.

All three games are on the gamepass though

True. $70 is a steep asking price for a 10 hour FPS after you just spent money on two super long RPGs that will keep you distracted.

Microsoft was caught off guard at what a hit Oblivion remake was. If they expected those sales they would have had a big marketing campaign and charged the full $70.

I know this is a shitpost but I wonder how someone coping this way will deal with nightreign doing well

Zoom Eternal released during Covid that's why.
It also wasn't 70 bucks
It's over

It's impossible for a game from Fromsoft with "Elden Ring" in its title to NOT do well. ER just recently passed the 30 millions copies sold.

its on game pass

but-

its not a fucking 70 hour rpg. also who cares?

Series known for running on anything cannot run on 60% of machines at an acceptable fps

Shitty slow gameplay with red light green light

high pricetag

short like a manlet

can be beat in a few sittings

also available on gamepass

If they had any confidience in that game they would have put it on gamepass later, gamers don't see any value in owning the game for the above reasons and the replay ability is shit because the endgame is repetitive and there's too many meme dragon and mech missions that everyone hates
Any questions?
This AAA performance creep is hitting a fever pitch and after all the hoops anyone trying to buy in this generation has to go through to even get a card at fair value or the large amount of people that got scalped at all skew ranges people are making a stand now.
It's also organic which makes it fucking funny

who cares

Zoom Xniggers, their spic God let their favorite company down, he'll have to be sacrificed.

ah so thats the cope we are going with, got it

No, just logical. The same reason TLOU2 sold well (initially) despite being a shit game.

I have a 4070 Super, I get 100+ FPS at ultra 1440P with no DLSS. I feel like it's optimized pretty well

Because it was lame and gay. A fucking clay cat did it better:

youtu.be/F5Qz4LSZSdw

game pass' fault

Devs stop optimizing for lower end machines and expected the customers to buy premium cards to avoid FOMO.

The other game on the screenshot is also on gamepass

Bro-sisters, we got too cocky...

It doesn't resonate with the human collective's raising frequency. It's an egoic power fantasy without any of the team building or transcendence based story-telling of another game like Expedition 33. This is an objectively evil game that is steeped in hedonistic fantasies of domination. On the third level the PC tramples over Sentinels to satiate his rage, rather than protect innocents. Let it's negative frequencies be transmuted into light codes and move on.

I remember there were ex 343 devs complaining about having to work with jeets. Must be true

Doom is about killing a hig amount of demons with human weapons in big open levels and it should have stayed that way.
This Bethesda garbage was never good just like Doom 3 was never good.

That's a lie, I don't even think you own the card with such a worthless statement
Problem is even mid tier cards are getting fucked by this game, there's no reason why this game can't run 120 fps at 4k on the 5090

Might be something wrong with their CPU

Is it good or bad that each Doom game 2016 onwards is different enough that fans of one may dislike the other?

I can barely run eternal and I can't afford new gen consoles, the fuck were they thinking with these new requirements?

Crappy launch + not much publicity + better games out. This, of course, doesn't even say anything about the quality of Doom: The Dark Ages

Good, Bethesda Zoom fans deserve to suffer

Anon Babble has constant CCU threads

Anon Babble has constant box office threads

What is this obsession with this shit? It's pathetic. Who gives a shit? Do you like the game/movie is the important part, not whether culture at large is slurping the same slushie as you. Stop being fags

I meant more along the line is it good that they make major changes to experiment or is it bad because it isolated fans of one style

Doom TDA is better than eternal

TLOU success pretty much killed sony and every game they make now is a walking sim so yes this shit matters

It’s to gauge trends and see where the industries are going. If a movie makes money at the box office, we’re going to see a lot more movies like it. And if a movie or game flops, they could take down a whole genre.

Bro acting the fool up in here

Microsoft was caught off guard at what a hit Oblivion remake was.

Then they're fucking retarded. It was going to be a hit no matter what.

nostalgia out the ass

streamers being a huge thing now compared to 20 years ago ensures more eyes on it than ever before

and the gameplay loop is not as fun as Eternal or 2016.

kicking and punching demons is not fun

one shotting hell knights, mancs, arachnotrons, revenants is not fun

throwing shield to stunlock medium demons is not fun

throwing shield and recalling it to cause falter is not fun

throwing should into a super heated shields to gain armor is not fun

having shield jumping around energy shields is not fun

parry slop that turns you into discount vergil from dmc is not fun

I do admit that slow mo sucks ass but there is already a cheat table to disable it

Doom eternal is basically ninja gaiden + DMC 4 in term of gameplay though

Please play ninja gaiden and dmc4 first before posting this retarded bullshit.

>short like a manlet

22 levels

Ok retard

Denuvo garbage

Did you play it? It's garbage that has barely anything to do with Doom.

I'm playing at native 1080p on my 4090 and averaging over 100fps, all settings on Ultra. The only thing I changed was increasing my texture cache to the max. No DLSS or any other bullshit enabled.

Top

$50

Bottom

$70

Doom

the game is doomed to flop

just as intended

Top is a good game with soul
Bottom is a meh game without soul

ill buy it when its 30$

ue5slop

soul

Lmao

MOOOODSS

Yup

Retard

Played both. Doom eternal kinda borrowed from both and insert them into the fps game

At least Doom has a sexy girl in it

4090

1080p

Yeah that's the fucking point. Back when the 2016 was released, that would be the equivalent of running it at 640x480.

During development, we faced numerous decisions influenced by our choice of minimum spec—the least powerful CPU and GPU combination that would still deliver a good experience for customers. In the early 2000s, there was far more variety among GPUs than today, with wide differences not only in speed but in fundamental approaches to rendering. But at the time, we had no real data on the hardware our customers were using. What CPUs and GPUs did they have? How much RAM? Which version of Windows? We reached out to Microsoft, hoping they might know answers to questions like, 'How many DX7 cards are in use? Or DX8?' Unfortunately, they didn’t have the data either.

Realizing we were at risk of making bad decisions without these insights, we developed an analysis tool that allowed players to report their hardware specs to us, and integrated it into the early version of Steam. The data was so useful that we decided to make it public, launching the Steam Hardware Survey in April 2003. It’s been helping us—and hopefully other developers—make informed decisions ever since.

That issue was resolved more than 20 years ago

perfect the genre with Eternal

remove everything that made it fun

Yeah I wonder why

Why are you running meme resolutions? I don't care what you're rendering, four times the pixels is four times the pixels.

It's certainly perplexing to make this kind of foundational decision (to use RTX) with the game, since the Steam Hardware Survey is 100% available to anyone, all the time. Maybe it was just some really slick exec at Id that talked up how great RTX was and managed to sell the suits?

Guy better be packing his bags now though, lmao

Borrowed what

The 4090 is meant for 4K gaming. And you still don't seem to get the point. You are getting 100fps on one of the best cards in the market right now, at what's already considered a low resolution. Meanwhile back in 2016, you could max the game on a $250 midrange GPU and still get 100fps, no compromises. It just shows how they threw optimization out the window.
I mean, have you ever seen another game asking for fucking 32GB of RAM? It's insane how bloated the requirements are.

Glory kill is basically execution in NG2. Also, the pace of the fight is very similar to NG2 imo. There are alot of enemies that are very unrelented and you have to move fast to avoid damage and know how to prioritize targets in a clear.
Meanwhile, multiple weapons switching and multiple meter/resources management is somewhat similar to DMC.

Oh wow, I was thinking about getting this. I have a 4090/9 7900X, but I only have 16GB RAM. If I hadn't read your post I would have bought this. Its baffling that the game is asking for 32GB RAM.

My 4060 laptop runs it at 60fps

voiced by debra wilson

I was skeptical but the game is actually good, if you can look past the lore shit

Trying too hard, anti-shill

Dumb lying faggot

10-12 hours

Multiple sections that people hate

tedious endgame that requires you to kill hoards non stop in parry slop combat just to kill one guy not even a boss

You bought the game early and are full of cope
Retard faggot I doubt you even own the fucking 4090 nobody buying a 90 class card to play 1080p retard bro
Not good enough for $70

ultra

Remember when ultra was supposed to strain current hardware?
I wonder when devs will start removing the highest settings to appease retards like that.

Nah, it's based and your buttmad

Eat shit, they play nothing like spectacle fighters.
Those actually have depth and enemies are locked behind rock paper scissors (outside Ninja Theorys DmC pile of garbage).
They also don't have glory kills every 5 seconds or starve you of ammo.

Denuvo sells g-

spectacle fighters

Time to stop posting, chen

You really don't have anything at this point the market has already spoken
Now cope

Its on gamepass and expensive

Cool, show me the sales data. Oh, your only metric is concurrent players? Retard

Preach brother.

Alright Pajeet we'll play this game during the next AAA corpo flop

It was doomed

Taiwan number one, Chen. Cope harder

Is it pronounced "cake-ko-demon" or is it "caw-ko-demon"?

kah-kow-deh-mown

It's free on gamepass

2016 doesn't have ray tracing, genius

Stalker 2?
Expedition 33?
Oblivion?

But the so called "rock paper scissors" exist mechanic in action games all the time. There are always attack/move that specifically very effective against certain enemies. Juggling a fight is always about picking the right moves/combo's to take out certain enemies. Also, games like MGR and Stranger of Paradise also have enemy execution to fill up your resources.
Doom Eternal basically had a tons of features from modern single player action game being applied to an fps game. However, people who hate doom eternal hate things like that because they think single player fps should solely about simple damage check.

So? This one didn't need it either. It's a linear game with static environments. They just relied on ray tracing to save dev time, basically traded optimization for their own gain. It doesn't even look better than Eternal, which runs also runs 10x better.

Im not having any problems
t. 4090

BASED

One thing I want to know is what the FUCK those green grapple corpses are supposed to be
and how the fuck the "grappling" even works
like, what the fuck is even supposed to be happening?

Just put on some Meshuggah instrumentals faggot

This is hysterical to think about. Hopefully the budget was the usual 9 figures

Americans can't even make good FPS games anymore

It's the one thing you were good at! WTF happened?!

2000: new gpu better graphics

Now: new gpu same graphics but developers save development costs on lighting

this

The fuck.. I thought parry slop would save the game :(

cock o'demon

the more doom becomes a story game, the less people care about it, because the doom stories suck shit and are written by faggots and trannies.

This wtf, it's like the product is not even for us anymore, yet it's more expensive than ever even when taking account inflation.

I haven't finished Eternal and honestly parrying green orbs seems boring as fuck.

To be fair the sound design in 16 & eternal played a huge role in how good the gameplay felt. The feedback to the player's actions, how the music ramped up during action & slowed down after battle was seamless. These aren't really things people think about but it has a major impact, Mick Gordon did a really good job on those two games

My 4060 laptopt runs it 1080p high at 100 fps with dlss quality and frame gen.

and frame gen.

Right, that's shit.
Go back to consoles.

hurted

brohermanos . . . we are defeated

I didn't want to play red light green light or Superman 64
I wanted to play Doom, but Debra Wilson said that finished doesn't work for her brother.

$30 i might CONSIDER buying it

probably but nividya gave them a good payday to shill rtx so it evens out