Why is it bad objectively speaking?

Why is it bad objectively speaking?

what id (forma de la bethesda) wants to do with doom has already changed between eternal's release and the start of the DLC's development, and it shows an alarming lack of information retention on what worked and what didn't with eternal that carried on into dark ages

why did you assume it was bad?

what worked and what didn't with eternal that carried on into dark ages

Which is?

Why not implement an actual melee system like Chivalry instead of this?

weapons not actually being geared towards specific enemies and you pick the best option for the overall situation at hand, the only "hard counter" enemy was the marauder who nobody liked because of how arbitrary the distance at which you can attack it is, making weapon mods/alternates feel impactful

Idk I got bored. I tried Doom 2016, Eternal, and now Dark Ages and dropped all three after a couple hours. Just doesn't do it for me. The only FPS I've really liked that has come out in the last decade is Cultic. That game is pure fucking kino of the highest order

oh also lol the obvious elephant in the room of "don't let hugo martin direct your game because he WILL start believing his own hype and he WILL fire the musician who set the entire tone and direction of your games for overshadowing his own nonexistent work"

bethesda gonna bethesda

Doom looks cool

Requiring RT to launch

That's objectively retarded, it's also why the game flopped on PC.

Why did Doom feller start to collect fucking Funko toys of himself? What made them think that was what was needed in a series this "metal"?

Why is it bad objectively speaking?

It wasn't. It was amazing. Maybe play the fucking game instead of shitposting about it. It's on Game Pass, so even a destitute third-worlder such as yourself can play it.

Can you ride dragons in Chivalry?

Really funny how that didn't stop Oblivion from hitting a peak of 230k

"doom is METALLLLGRRRRRR" is a metalhead meme pushed by people that read the "man and a half" comic

This looks like absolute shit

it has denuvo

Because doom is about demons, not dragons and megazords.

dragon segments
mech segments

Collecting toys is not something I would expect in the old doom games, with demons, gore and *metal(or whatever the fuck the genre is called by Anon Babble)* music. I just think it doesn't fit in, and seems like a way to feminize the whole thing and make it appeal to redditors. also le hecking bunny.

Because jews need to sand the edges off of anything too masculine.

If we're talking objectively, it's not.

i dunno i didnt play it

strike gold with Doom 2016

switch it up *twice* for no reason

No, sadly only stinky horses...

What ID learned is that, Eternal is unplayable for returning players. TAG was a huge wake up call for them. They created a game that required memorizing the most efficient weapon and ability combo to finish enemies so when players returned for the DLC they couldn't even clear the opening area because they forgot just shooting shit in Doom doesn't work anymore. Hence TDA. Eternal was a badly designed game that's the lesson.

I am playing it right now. Nightmare difficulty feels kinda like normal difficulty and cutscenes are retarded marvel-tier. Those are my main complaints so far
Mecha and dragon sections are too simplistic but it feels more like padding/diversion from the core gameplay and not much else

also le hecking bunny.

doom 2

just shooting shit in Doom doesn't work anymore.

what?
really, what?
super shotgun is the best option in like 99% of scenarios - it doesn't matter, use what you've got in your hands or use the heaviest option

it just is

Nightmare difficulty feels kinda like normal difficulty

then adjust the difficulty settings: turn down the parry window, turn up enemy projectile speed, turn up damage to player, etc. the devs give you the tools to make the game as hard as you want.

and cutscenes are retarded marvel-tier

hold Space to skip them

Mecha and dragon sections are too simplistic but it feels more like padding/diversion from the core gameplay and not much else

Rule of Cool

I was super hyped for this game, then you hysterical screeching crybaby homos had me almost convinced it sucked and for first few hours I was kinda underwhelmed snd agreeing but I decided not to refund and keep playing and it turns out it’s super fun once you get past starting areas and into open map, it was like a stormcloud of negativity lifted immediately
You guys could nitpick anything to death and convince morons like me to almost not even play a game I ended up enjoying
I think I’m just going to trust my own intuition and feelings instead from now on
Only thing that I still agree with is the music is bland as hell
Tldr: Get fucked faggots

Mortal Shell-tier bossfight

The gameplay just isn't as proactive and in-depth as Doom Eternal. It's reactive parryslop with shit balance (SSG is busted again, no reason to use anything else)
Still better than 2016

Only thing that I still agree with is the music is bland as hell

make sure to turn it up to 100%. it's set to 80% by default and definitely way too quiet.

People don't like it because it's not a shitty arcade shooter and colorful like Eternal.

It's not bad but it doesn't feel like Doom. Almost all the classic weapons got replaced, the setting is completely different, the plot is lame, a lot of the game takes place in flat open spaces, the parry and shield mechanics don't fit the series at all.

then adjust the difficulty settings: turn down the parry window, turn up enemy projectile speed, turn up damage to player, etc. the devs give you the tools to make the game as hard as you want.

That's retarded. I can play with one hand too to make it more difficult but I prefer to rely on their vision to challenge me, so everyone's on equal footing more or less when the same difficulty is chosen

bad movement

bad weapons

bad aesthetic

bad music

bad story

lol a shit Cacodemon need 3 shots(6 ammo) that's that's 1/3 of your ammo stock.

It is just as shitty and colorful as Eternal

When they flanderized Doomguy I lost interest.

most people here cant even run it id bet i am in that situation

Yeah guess what anon Doom and Doom 2 were also "shitty arcade shooters."

THE GAME'S NOT HARD ENOUGH!

Then make it harder

NO I DON'T WANNA

Can't help you if you aren't willing to help yourself, bud.

More like Rule of Gay Homo Shit

relax. He read that on reddit

Pretty bad when zeno clash has better fist fight mechanics.

hmm this game looks fun, time to say it's bad so my boss can sell more haha games!

Why is it bad objectively speaking?

because it's not Doom anymore, it is trying to be Halo, but wihout innovating anything, most of the shit you do, it's already made on other games, they just straight up stole abilities from Athena of Borderlands Pre-sequel.
i just want an actual sequel of Doom(2016) not these shitty NuDoom shit.

They tried something new. The new direction is kind of bad.
At some point I realized you engage every enemy the exact same way. Get close, shoot until a parry window comes up, parry + melee, repeat until dead.
It also basically doesn't matter what weapon you use. You just pick your favorite and upgrade it to max and it works on everything. There are weapons that are generally better than others (rip SSG, the combat shotgun is just better) but as a rule this is true. This is a BIG overcorrection from Eternal in which the enemy roster was balanced around having weapon-specific weakpoints.

Older Doom games you needed to adjust your strategy around different enemies. Archviles you need to hide around corners. Revenant rockets follow you. Mancubus fireballs can be dodged by zigzagging through them. Circlestrafe around the Cyberdemon. Hitscanners have low HP, so use the chaingun on them. Etc.

None of that exists in TDA. There's no strategy. You just play "however you want," so long as how you want to play is engaging close up and relying on the shield.

I wonder what the lead was thinking.
Going from a game light on story, fast paced combat, varied weapons tailored for specific enemies, seamless progression trough areas, music that sets the tone and builds intensity with the player.
They had a dead IP and literally resurrected it into a near perfect state. Then decided you know what, literally everything that made the ressurection great, bin it. We have 5 of the samey weapons now, slow everything down, add dance dance revolution tier parry systems, vehicle sections, 2h of story cinematics, and fire whoever made that banging soundtrack.

Like why? Its like a chicken farmer somehow hatching a golden egg laying goose, and then slaughtering it because it was not a chicken.

Doom should be a nonstop adrenaline rush of violent dismemberment and explosions, not a leisurely stroll through hell. Tight, well designed levels that make you wade through the bodies of thousands of demons you kill, with high tempo metal blasting in your ears. You should be physically exhausted after finishing a map. No neon lights for parry timings, projectiles, pickups. The brightest thing in the game should be the blood that splatters onto your visor.

So watered down slop then. Thanks for the breakdown

Nothing about eternal and DA is doom. Nothing. 2016 still had a semblance of old doom in it's DNA. But this is not doom. It's some marvel wannabe rick and morty universe with all the worst tropes of doom guy packaged for modern american audiences that clap in cinemas when watching slop and eating their high fructose corn syrup injected hot dogs in buns that are so unhealthy they have to be classified as cake anywhere else on the planet.
They took something cool, filled it with meme shit and marvel slop and fed it to you.
TWICE.

The entertainment industry seems to do this a lot.

I don't know I'm playing Doom 2016 instead.
This is a good game bros you should try it out.

Even the real life version is better kek

You should be physically exhausted after finishing a map

Absolute onions statement. You sound fat. I bet you are one of those guys who breathes heavy in the team chat just from 30 seconds of talking.

you basically want an fps game with 0 depth, just run and gun, which is what Halo is. "not innovating anything" would mean the game would be the same as OG Doom you retard. maybe you'd prefer Ubisoft games as nothing ever changes

"for boys and girls"

They legit let you punch a woman. Pretty based ngl

play doom 2016

see giant demon skull

they tell you that you killed it

turns out you did it in a giant mech

the musician who set the entire tone and direction of your games

Do people seriously think this? lmao

There’s nothing wrong with innovating; that’s to be expected. But what’s new here isn’t bad, but not very fun and it takes away the best and core elements of a Doom game. This is like smearing shit on your face and praising it because it is new and innovative.

the price as far as i can tell
$70 for a 15 hour game can fuck right off

Well besides the ugly visuals, ear grating music, reddit story telling, more cutscenes, and the random tonal clashing that plagues the NuDoom games, Dark Ages falls into the pit-trap of “More Mechanics = More Fun!”
They add shit like a flying creature mount and a giant mech, and like the whole thing really bogs down the experience.

So only surface level gameplay options but without any kind of real depth.

It was OK. A true 7.9/10 game.

its not bad, but I feel like they should have just done a third person spawn game instead. maybe do that next.

why do people conflate hours with value

you really want a 30 hour shooter campaign?

It's literally a copy of the Impact fights from Goemon.

SOVL

Continues the boring sci-fi diablo nerd hell bullshit, rolls back most of the changes eternal made so there's no real reason to use all the guns, retcons even more stuff from 2016, and pretty much every heavy and up enemy needs a MASSIVE health and defense increase

Wonderful 101 did the giant monster fight so much better than this

Hell was sci-fi since the first Doom retard.

W101 did nothing well.

2016

no dashing

Eternal

dash away from enemies

TDA

dash into enemies

those are the biggest differences, core gameplay stayed the same as in you still just circle enemies and shoot at them in every game, i honestly don't understand what you mean

It was still heavily implied to be the religious Judeo-Christian hell in the originals. This being some generic boring fantasy gnostic hell just takes me out of it desu

it's a good game, would be better with mick gordon
everyone who complains haven't played it cause they are poor

It wasn't Martin that beefed and fired Mick Gordon, it was Marty Stratton, the absolute retard.
You not knowing this and blaming Martin (which is a huge fucking retard by virtue of making The Fag Ages), shows that you're being ingenuous.

Almost 10 years of Anon Babble seething about nu-doom

Do you realize DOOM is one of the most successful reboots ever?

Just finished it
Had a blast, it was complete fun.
So far for me it's Ages > Eternal > 2016

Too bad about the 80 price point, but that's on them.

If Eternal's soundtrack sucked nobody would have cared about it anon, don't be a pillock.

Yeah I'm sure the actual video game didn't matter

Its not, new gamers need to understand that Game devs know way more about making good games than the average Anon Babble poster. Instead of whining you should try to get good and adapt to the game mechanics . We must be better as gamers and we need to chew our stakes slower.

I like Mick's riffs but redditors need to get off his cock already. Hes not the Metal god that all must answer to.

Zoomers hadn't heard anything resembling industrial metal until they played Doom 2016

Rule of Cool

You cannot just fucking regurgitate TVTropes slogans like they mean anything in place of an argument for the effectiveness of what this game is doing.
It doesn't matter how cool flying a dragon theoretically is if they made it fucking boring to play. This is a GAME

I don't want melee combat in an FPS

it seems most people would rather pussyfoot around enemies instead of charge through them like DOOM guy would

dark ages overstays its welcome with less than 30 hours. i could simply play a shooter game that costs less than half as much, has 30-60 hours of content, and doesnt overstay its welcome because its full of fresh things and interesting content instead of piles of flat bland levels and robot/dragon segments padding it out
dark ages would have unironically been a lot better if it was cheaper and smaller, didnt spend as much money on making all these levels and shit. Because you just go through everything it has to offer so quickly and the rest just drags

Game devs know way more about making good games than the average Anon Babble poster

No, not really! If your presentation sucks, nobody gives a shit. If Metal Gear Rising didn't have several very good vocal songs (a fast-track to making your music memorable is a good vocal song) it'd probably be regarded as pretty typical Platinum slop. Final Fantasy XIV still makes waves in the MMO sphere because of the high quality of its music, it's the first thing some dedicated psychos that spam for years on end here will attack is "er mah gerd its music is all trash."
He probably wouldn't even be that notable if he, you know, hadn't been martyred by a jealous Id employee trying to make an example of him. And then lying about the situation repeatedly.

It's fun and cool, I don't give a fuck what doom and gloom jackasses have to say about it. It's entirely serviceable for what it is, not every game has to be a masterpiece.

your presentation

Music is a small fraction of a games presentation
If you play games and all you perceive is the music you're a blindsided idiot

prequels are always gay, nobody gives a fuck about dargent nuhhr and muh night sentinels

No it isn't serviceable for 80 euros/70 dollars.
This game shouldn't cost more than 30 moneys

Music is a small fraction

Lmfao shut up anon even tech demos make sure to have placeholder music

It cost me $10 on gamepass

How much work do you think goes into the visuals of a game and how much work do you think goes into the music?

Why are we quantifying it by "effort" now

The game is absolutly balanced as it is. You should be thankful that the Devs put these sliders in for a more personal expierience, even though the default settings are of course how the game is supossed to be played.

best way to play it since you don't actually own it on any platform

Because if music was as important as you thought it was nobody would spend billions of dollars on cutting edge graphics
You can play a video game with the sound off, you can't play it with the screen off
Most games have forgettable soundtracks

We've regressed so much that fucking Teleroboxer on the Virtualboy is more fun than this shit.

Can I play this on my NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080?

Martyred? stop being a weird cringey fuck.

Stop going to bat for fucking Marty Stratton

regardless it is was still better then this viking alien shit that been going on here.

yeah dude the composer was MARTYED cause hes a real hero and human bean. no, jeremy soule was martyred, Mick moved on with his life.

Sounds like someone who's never felt adrenaline in their life. Who's a soft little boy? It's you!

As someone who listens to actual music, it sucked ass

Nightmare difficulty feels kinda like normal difficulty

this is what makes me not want to buy it. I was hoping for Sekiro levels of difficulty with the parrying. Hard as fuck, but then you become chad. Very disappointing they dumbed doom down even more.

because it's the current thing that challenges our conservative "beliefs" and we can't just have normal threads talking about games here anymore.

Ok, dev. If all weapons can do the same thing what's the point of having multiple weapons?

2016 has the best vibes.
Doomguy feels genuinely fucking angry. Ain't got time for cut scenes. Takes his anger out on random shit in the environment. Takes his anger out on the demons. The levels are pretty creepy, in any other game you'd be scared, but as doom guy you feel at home.

neither eternal nor the diarrhea ages has replicated this vibe

So you can use your favorite

No he was martyred because Marty Stratton is a jealous fat faggot who chimped out just like the parent company Bethesda always does whenever they get upstaged by any external workers in any way, and then lied his fat faggot ass off about what happened repeatedly just so years later somebody like you could take umbrage in describing Gordon as "martyred" and bring up Jeremy Soule like he's relevant at all to this especially since him going completely lights-out across his entire career means something probably did happen lol

Thank you for proving that you did not play the game. There is a reason you are not a game Dev anon. Be better next time and try to get good.

le epic dodge slowdown

completely weightless punches on a GIANT MECH

Is there not a single fucking thing this game gets right? Actually the flail gun looks kind of cool.

If you like the vibe of Doom 2016 there's hundreds of grimy industrial corridor FPS games from the 2000s you can play

that dumb fat beaner fuck should have been on his knees behind Mick sucking his poop out of his ass and licking his asshole clean. Mick Gordon single handedly turned 7/10 games into 10/10 games. That's how good his soundtracks were.
Without the music you lose 95% of the pop culture relevance and free advertising. They're so fucking stupid to have fired Mick Gordon

It’s not ur just a faggoT contrarian

Go listen to some real music

the art style in Eternal and Dark Ages took a tremendous nosedive it's so generic

The dragon and mech sections are so fucking bad. I'm incredibly disappointed by the mech sections, I think everyone wanted to mess around with it but it feels terrible in the game and the level design is so fucking boring.

Yeah totally. Just ignore all the electronic tracks that nobody remembers (80% of the soundtrack).

I say normies liked the music and kept the game in people's heads

10s of millions of views on youtube

you tell me to listen to real music when I never said what kind of music I listen to or enjoy

take your fucking meds

Oblivion has optional raytracing. RT in TDA is mandatory, if it detects you're not running RT capable hardware it won't even let you launch the game.

My only question is why did they have to cave into all the unnecessary world buildings, the sentinels are lame and gay, the angels are lame, cthulhu shit is lame.

I fucking hate the retarded cutscenes, hell, I hate third person cutscenes in doom ethernal as a whole, they try to make the doom slayer into a shitty le marvel BADASS character. ID is full of disgusting redditors, it went from doom to he-man

Those normies should go listen to some real music too

you think like that cause you have low iq

Should I just play my own metal mix and mute the in-game soundtrack? I'm on Chapter 7 and it feels like I've only heard one mid song.

No I think like that because I live in objective reality while you're a retard who plays video games for the music

are you fucking retards seriously arguing that the soundtrack wasn't a huge part of what made the game memorable for normies? I knew Anon Babble was full of fluid brains these days but I didn't know it was this bad

pass holder with dogshit takes

color me surprised

I can imagine what kind of iron maiden t-shirt wearing fat faggot you are
your favorite music sucks

when you have an average brain you are unable to see things smart people do
don't even argue

You're unable to see that nearly all of the most popular games have mediocre music

You said mick gordon saved the game all on his own. You retards need to relax. Everyone likes to conveniently forget all the stinkers Mick made.

calm down Hugo, we know your game is trash because nobody is playing it, relax and make Eternal 2

Not the best place to ask, but any good recent .wad these days? Last one I've played was Pirate Doom 2 a while ago and I'm back in the mood.

finished the game earlier and just feel disappointed
none of the weapons felt fun to use besides the ball chain gun sometimes
no challenge levels
forced dragon and titan sections bog down any chance of a replay
what happened man...

it's nearly to boco & saucy

big open spaces where you have to go back and forth for some stuff

Get a key on one side of the map, run to the other. Find the X number of statues and then come back to the central areas for the item. It feels like extreme padding that you need to do to engage with the weapon/melee upgrades at all. At 150% gamespeed its already annoying to travel back and forth, I can't imagine for people playing at base game speed.

Leader system

I don't mind the fights, I mind the upgrades being locked to these leaders. In Eternal you got to choose when you found these stations. If you wanted to max out armor, you could before anything else. You want shotgun ammo max, you could. In Dark Ages, you are forced on the progression path the devs have set. I would rather have gotten yet another currency but atleast the ability to pick my upgrade. If I am not using skull ammo, why the fuck would I care about getting max ammo increase over shotgun or more max armor?

enemy spawns

I think its not balanced for 150% game speed but its extremely annoying for people to spawn behind you and hit you before you can react. Needs to be done better, but also fuck fodder enemies shooting homing projectiles at me non-stop. Max projectile speed, you just get hit from behind by a mini-nuke and you couldn't even tell by whom.

those slow+poison ground projectiles mancubus and some other dude drops

Fuck this shit in particular. Without a dash it feels like I am dead in the water if I am in the middle of it without a target to charge to. Then if you charge to mancubus/other dude they instantly blast you in melee

I wasn't enjoying it until I got to the hell level. That's also when I started understanding the mechanics better but also I just don't fuck with the fantasy aesthetics and setting. Hell and Cosmic Realm and the stuff after that was way more interesting and some of the coolest levels they've ever done in this new trilogy

Without a dash it feels like I am dead in the water

the caco demons attack felt like it was balanced around a side dash but you just dont have one lol

objectively

No objective criticism can be made. The craftsmanship is flawless whatever you think of how it actually works and is presented. It objectively comes down to subjective taste, and going by the steam numbers, TDA appeals to an objectively smaller audience than the previous two games.

is really? i might afta pick this up after all.

Without a dash

You have one.

Necromantic thirst or Simulacrum or eviternity 2 idk what your skill level is but you can always check out the cacowards for good wads.

So just use the charged ballista it one shots him. Or use the meat hook and shoot him point blank. Or use a rocket launcher lock on. Or shoot at him with the chain gun. Or grenade him.

I swear all the "criticism" of Eternal is shitters mad they can't walk through nightmare using only the SSG.

Badly designed means you hate to engage with the mechanics of the game.

no u

Absolutely cope. Go get some exercise fat boi. And no, playing Doom DA doesn’t count tubby.

I've seriously never seen a Mancubus shoot a green projectile that I can parry

Anybody else? I think the game is bugged. Or do they not shoot green ones?

They don't fire them.

You can jump over these or shield dash through them you know

armored version does

These holy swords on perfect parry

Completely retarded, it destroy fucking everything

Already played the latter 2 (Eviternity 2 was my 2024 GOTY even) but Necromantic Thirst looks fun, thanks.

Honestly, I think they should have went harder on the shmup mechanics.
The maykr fight is really cool, but you it's too easy to dodge the patterns, same for the final boss. There was some really cool stuff, but I feel like they hesitated going all-in with the danmaku aspect, and that's too bad.
Maybe in dark ages 2.

At 150% gamespeed and max projectile speed, with all the other shit you are not getting the hops to jump them.

dashing into melee against mancubus or the Vagary

No thanks

why is sprint even in the game? i just turned on auto sprint immediately since its pain in the ass to keep hitting the button
seems like you would always want to go as fast as possible

dashing into melee against mancubus or the Vagary

You can dash into a smaller enemy to get out of a zone quickly.

I just use ball on everything and they die.

Some people play it like cod

It’s actually good. Better than any slop on the gay station as usual

I'll get it when it's on sale. I'm not paying $70.

The whole point of cod sprint was that it makes you unable to shoot. Even the original Doom had "sprint" but it was omnidirectional while this is W only.

The flail gun deserves a better game

Unironically listen to Fear Factory while playing

Why is Anon Babble so fucking garbage now? Every new game just gets endlessly shitposted, not even just DOOM its EVERY new game. You can't even make threads without being called a shill. When did it become like this?

Yeah don't worry Ultrakill is gonna have a flail and you're gonna be able to parry your own flail while it is coming back and combo it. Like I was so sure that was gonna be possible in TDA but no, these devs can't do anything.

Normies eat at fucking McDonald's and consume funko pops. Who gives a shit what they like?

Please have sex

Its sad they. try to make a boomer shoot better by adding a binch of reddit mechanics when all they had to do was give us a shinier iteration of the original doom

Maybe devs should just make good games

It feels like such an obvious mechanic to have too. I guess since they didn't bother implementing any kind of aiming on the parries they didn't want to figure out how to balance it maybe. I can't imagine it didn't occur to them.

rule of cool

Let me guess, you can get all the achievements with the the difficulty and sliders turned down to journalist mode.

rule of cool

for rule of cool to pass the subject actually needs to be cool, completely weightless mechs and a dragon that's unfun to play as are not cool

DOOD I'M SO BIG DOO

OH MY GAWD IS THAT A HECKIN DRAGON WITH LASER WINGS

Anon Babble pass more like Anon Babble ass xd

Anon Babble told me it was bad

I was convinced from day one of the announcement trailer that this game was a different IP which got rebranded into Doom.

So... does anyone have a good reason why Doom: The Dark Ages is underpeforming so much? I guess I can understand not reaching the peak that Eternal's had but it's not even getting past the peak that even Doom 2016 did. At best it should hit 32k this Sunday then it will just slide further down from there. Where did all the interest for this game go?

It never had big interest to begin with.

It's bad. What else do you need?

Doom Souls? This is so sluggish I mistook it for a souls like.

Glass Joe is a more engaging boss fight.

every video of it has more melee & shield fighting than shooting, like it's fucking captain america

every arena looks like a featureless open field

combat mechanics just look really stupid, why would projectiles pause and resume flying at you and why is it always slowing down?

lots of players still on old GPUs or consoles can't play it and don't want to upgrade just for one game

always online singleplayer is weapons-grade aids

tenfold the cringe writing and presentation from eternal

literally nobody asked for mechs, dragons and turrets

completely soulless commercial music

if we all bought this it would validate $70+ games

On PC? Probably cause of Gamepass eating up sales. Overall, is it? I bet releasing on PS5 is a pretty big deal for them to make up any potentially lost gamepass sales. Give it a week to see if they haven't sold several million

It's a real video game and normies hate that. Christcucks are also bitching as well.

Normies can't into video games

Exp 33 and Oblivion Remaster both are on GamePass and yet have bigger steam playerbase

Those are RPGs that could take longer than a month for someone to get through. You can finish Doom in about a week playing a couple levels a day.

the robot fights in Mystical Ninja / Goemon's Great Adventure are better than this.

It's a genuinely great game, the biggest naysayers are diehard eternalheads and people without ray tracing capable cards who physically can't play it

A lot of the hate comes from it being "not eternal" but I found that to be part of its charm. Would I have preferred a return to the 2016 style gameplay? Sure. But I appreciate that they went in another direction to try something new and I enjoyed my time with it because of that. The biggest let down is of course the ost but we already knew that going into it

They are also cheaper and don't require ray tracing

These retards are also calling it a failure despite Microsoft switching to smaller independent team development similar to indies, AA studios, and Nintendo and somehow think the game didn't sell well and made it's money back. This isn't Halo Infinite's $600 million+ 1000 man-team era Microsoft anymore.

50 vs 70 dollars

Also for a game as popular as E33, 150k peak feels pretty low. I do think gamepass ate into that number.

It's funny how Oblivion is just a remaster of an old broken game and is still pulling better numbers than that fucking new Doom game. lmao

if you cant see why Oblivion would outsell a new Doom game even if it was a 9/10 youve got brain problems

Style over substance design because Eternal fans flanderized the franchise

It’s good thoever

Huh? If anything Eternal had the most going on out of any doom to date

Eternal isn’t that good
I think 2016 and its multiplayer were better but I also don’t like how those two games force you to glory kill don’t get me wrong it’s a cool feature but changed the whole flow of the game. Dark ages feels like the old games

Are DOOM purists the biggest fags on earth?

Doom was always Reddit shit. The fanbase even did the Reddit thing where they exaggerate features of the character because they have no personality

omfg zomg doomchad is so epic running through le HELL at 5000 miles per hour to avenge… le BUNNY xD

le rippy Terry xD xD

Even Doom wads these days are faggy creepypasta shit and memberberries

its too gamey

It's reddit tier slop. The Mayker shit is gay and retarded. The mech and dragon sections are gay and retarded. Doom should have been a game where the protagonist cares about the story as little as the average player does and kills demons purely though his own rage. Not this gay shit where he was given powers through some ancient whatever for whatever reason.

The gameplay changes are also retarded. They removed the dodge in favour of a parry which is a borderline QTE event. And they made swapping weapons so slow that you're just using the same gun for 90% of the game.

Dark ages feels like the old games

In what fucking universe

Dark ages feels like the old games

I don't remember the old games having Captain America shield throwing.

It deserves to flop for the forced raytracing alone. Eternal ran at 200 fps on my card WITH ray tracing enabled. This game struggles to hit 70 fps no matter the settings and looks hideous in comparison.

Are people really ignoring the $70 price point?

Helldivers 2 and that JRPGslop game broke the steam charts because they cost $40.

Gamers are becoming more price conscious. There are only select games/game studios that gamers will pay $70 for.

I'm enjoying it a lot more than Eternal personally.

Have you yet to realize that when people (you) say "this is like X", that the X is the first thing that introduced them (you) to that idea?

No, nu-doom babbies are.

I dont care about the story or whatever i just want to rip and tear and kill everything that moves. The obtuse design is interfering with this reducing the overall enjoyment level.

It’s actually good don’t listen to these chink pajeet shills who cry every time game pass releases a games it’s just Sony seethe every time :)

Forgettable music and terrible story.

what are the PC sales numbers looking like.
I think maybe like 10, maybe 20 people worldwide can adequately run this game

needs rtx card

toppest of keks

You described all 3 games

teleporting dash punches

ywn hear mick gordon do medieval twists on his music from eternal and 2016

youtube.com/watch?v=hvOo2OyL_Tg

Why did they ever fuck over Mick.

superhuman slow-mo reflex effect in a giant mech

There are several layers of losing the plot here.

Because his music fucking sucks

2000 series is 6 years old. How often do you think people upgrade their GPU?

for me every 10 years. Previous card I had was a gtx680 and then got a 1660Super. And prices have gone through the fucking roof and most cards aren't even available to buy anymore. This game is gonna do absolutely awful in the EU + Asia market

You guys talk about Mick Gordon like he's Beethoven. It's honestly nauseating to read/listen to. Yes, Marty Stratton is a dumb cunt, we get it. This still doesn't affect performance or gameplay which matters much more than some wub wub metal.

That's why it stands out. TDA music just sounds like AI generated metal.

I find the end-level cuts extremely jarring, every stage has a cinematic heavy intro then you just walk through a door at the end and get booted straight to the stats screen.

They at least need to do the vertical screen wipe like OG Doom.

I need you to understand that they're all fucking dogshit

Music was always part of the doom experience, fag. Mick Gordon was great and you're wrong.

Good luck trying to convince the overwhelming majority that your opinion is "objectively correct".

we already know you have no music taste anon we get it no need to repeat it.

Please listen to real music

alright here I think you'll enjoy this one
youtube.com/watch?v=eN6jkWxxm2Y

When he strummed that open G note for 8 minutes straight, it really spoke to me

Prequel, the lore is now convoluted and dog shit. Turning DOOMGUY into doomslayer was a mistake. Let alone the gameplay looks flashy and motion blueish to the point it actually gives us me motion sickness, and I never get motion sickness, I played sonic as a kid, but this games style is just hard to look at, plus shitty metal core butt fuck music blasting the entire time, of doom has a better soundtrack imo

I'm tired of Anon Babble putting 2016 and Eternal up on some imaginary pedestal. They're both amazing games and I enjoyed them thoroughly, but unlike most of the fags in this thread, I was active on the board back when they released. People dogpiled them both just as hard as they are The Dark Ages currently. The revisionism ITT is CRAZY.

Fucking I-Ninja did this shit way better twenty years ago
youtube.com/watch?v=LtWgAnnTy1k

Costs way too much for what it is. Will be fine once it goes on sale for 1/3rd of its price.

I think the music is objectively bad and brings the game down, it didn’t hype me up like the last two games

revisionism

There's some going on, but you have to understand that Anon Babble effectively has a new userbase every four years outside a a relative handful that don't leave.

I don’t think the Xbox version does, does it?

Yeah but 2016 is about as lean as a modern AAA FPS could get and in retrospect that was a much better thing than Eternal and Dark Ages. Even if you hated Da Doom Slaya lore at least it wasn't in your fucking face constantly. If anything 2016 was almost mocking itself because half the time Doom Guy didn't give a single fuck about the narrative.

It would filter out the target audience.

I think the opposite, it feels more like doom than the other games
More projectiles and more shooting with one gun

There's honestly no point in having ammo in the game in the first place if running out is practically impossible.

Okay the Mace is definitely the best melee, I thought the flail was ass but the Impaler upgrade that refills melee makes this kind of busted

lore

Lmao, STFU
Doomguy is literally just rule of cool, story doesn’t matter

story doesn’t matter

too bad it's full of garbage story then

Unless you use the triple shot shotty

It’s not about story anon
It’s about looking cool and set pieces

Doom The Dark Ages has a story, it has cutscenes and characters and dialogue and a bunch of shit that happens, and it's all stupid

What the FUCK did they do to Berserk

The Microsoft Effect

Honestly as a 40 year old gamer and father, I am having a BLAST with the new Doom. I HATED how Doom Eternal forced you to use specific weapons against every monster, and the game was frankly bullshit on Ultra Violence and Nightmare. It was way too demanding and I couldn't just RIP AND TEAR you know?

I love the new philosophy of STAND AND FIGHT! I can finally just use my favorite weapons and unleash destruction upon the demonic hordes. And I am having a BLAST with the new customized difficulty sliders, I get exactly the experience I want.

Also, cyber-dragons and slayer mechs? Talk about epic! What's not to like?

How does that change what I said?

Huzzah!

based

why do you even want to play a game that gives you no reason to care about what you're doing or why you're even there, could just be playing a mindless mobile game

What sort of fagtarded nonsense are you spouting? I can blindfold myself and that makes any game harder. If the game needs you to edit a config file to make the hard difficulty hard it's a piece of shit.

Rule of Cool

"dawgons are cool"
No. You seem like a fag.

pass buyer

Confirmed a fag.

Denuvo, some people claim it's always-online.

No, Hugo said on stream he killed that with powers (or mechs) it was one of the 2016 stream when talking about that level.

Which I don’t get if I saw a dude kill an evil giant twice why would I fear/ not trust him?

I always appreciate the art of a good bait. Here's your (you).

Really? I'm on chapter 5 on the second to last difficulty and it's a cakewalk. Also the game lacks excitement, variety, levels don't feel tight, secrets are not secret at all, the few weapons you get are gay as fuck.
Eternal is so much better it's ridiculous. In fact playing this made me want to go back and replay Eternal again.

That was way after this, after the Deag Priests betrayed the Night Sentinels, and stranded them all in Hell, and Doom Slayer was just rampaging across Hell alone for an untold amount of time. They sent a Titan after him, and he killed one single-handedly without a mech.

Impaler was a mistake. Especially upgraded. Everything else just feels weak.

The plot in OG Doom was minimal, you're just filling in the vast blank spaces with headcanon.

You say "it's not about story" but it clearly is trying to be about story

I love shotgun , shredder, impasse, chain shot, shocky boy , ravager. I wish grenade launcher had a specific bounce sound or pitched down.

I like shredder most. Richo shot fun to do

"Parrying" now goes in the list of shame with crap like open world, crafting, vignette, roguelite, and such ilk.

There's options in the menu to turn up difficulty. If this isn't hard enough for your totally awesome extreme ass, then fuck off and go suck a dick somewhere else. Go play some rollslop or something. Nobody's looking for you.

Who the fuck cares about achiecemenrs anymore?

Does anyone have any fucking clue what's going on in the story? Granted I'm half asleep when cutscenes are happening but it feels like they explain absolutely nothing. All I know is someone's sending me tha doomslaya to kill that someone's enemies.

Have you not played the other ones?

I think they've over corrected in response to what doom eternal overall became and didn't learn their lesson from the second expansion of doom eternal. I mean there are very good things here but overall it's filled to the brim with things that go either too far or things that prove they didn't learn some lessons from the last game.

I like parying, more than I thought. Feels like you’re more in control of the fight. It’s very generous. If you die in eternal feels like bullshit/bad luck. Now you can’t say it’s that anymore.

The halo effects look much better than blinking demons. Idk why took them this long to do that.

it has cutscenes and characters and dialogue and a bunch of shit that happens

Yeah, but WHAT HAPPENS? All I've seen so far is

we gotta send tha doomslaya to kill those demons

hey give tha doomslaya the robot

Yes. 2016 is demons on mars right? And eternal is...?

I hate those shield enemies that flood your screen with bullet sprites and basically force you to hold up your shield like a pussy

We have no idea where the Forge is (implied).

Anyway, meet me at the Forge.

It's because each level transition feels like a time skip with no explaination.

I think you have to read the lore pickups to understand the story because I didn't and I had no clue what was going on

eternal weapon switching and puzzle mechanics were dogshit. dark ages is better in every regard except for music.

Doom eternal is just

Who the fuck is this?

Who the fuck is that?

I wanna fuck the khan maykr

and then the game ends story wise

It's a prequel to Eternal that retcons the gap between Doom II and 2016 to be "oh but he was actually part of a society of outer planes space vikings that were fighting hell", instead of "doomguy wandered the infinite realm of hell alone for centuries killing everything that moved until they trapped him and threw away the key because they were scared shitless of him, then was retrieved a couple decades in Earth-time after he'd initially went in by scientists looking to use hell as an energy source".

Demon prince wants to steal a conduit for Wraith energy/power so he can overwhelm the night sentinels and break the stalemate in their forever war, currently he is unable to pierce their energy shields without the help of traitors on the inside.

I said it before but I think they over corrected and also forgot the lessons they were supposed to learn from eternal. Overall instead of hating most of the game like in eternal im just indifferent and disappointed at the same time. Performance and overall stability is ass, weapons are extremely forgettable, music just straight up just isn't even remotely interesting or fun, story still makes me wonder who the fuck anybody is and why I should care about it in a doom game, and the levels are just like eternals except they're bigger. Just leading you into fights and having nothing else.

I actually really like the weapons. The ball and chain gun is sick and I think the shield throwing is pretty satisfying. Performance is a bit disappointing, but that's easier to fix in patches than fundamental gameplay mechanics so hopefully they will patch it up soon

I hope they try and fix most of the performance issues but since they decided to bake in fucking raytracing into their new engine I doubt it'll get any better but then again im practically a pessimist in terms of modern video games (no matter the budget) actually running well

It's not necessarily. Certainly the weakest of the 3 though.

As someone who hates eternal I very much agree. It's just so bland and disappointing yet somehow forgettable at the same time

They addressed the biggest complaint with Eternal's design being that player expression is very extremely limited outside of their "fun zone", TDA decouples most of its resource management from glory kills and has way more synergies and alt modes for its arsenal that don't railroad you into specific optimal picks (Shotgun GL for Caco's for example).

It's less simon says in how the player approaches combat and consequently a lot more fun to play.

Grenades into a caco's mouth isn't optimal except for the first few levels.

It doesn’t retcon that
It goes:

doom I

doom II

also like the master levels and sigil and legacy of rust and tnt evilution etc (maybe)

doom 64

doomguy spends millennia in hell killing demons

ends up on Argent D'nur and does all the sentinel stuff, becomes a demigod, events of The Dark Ages, then at some future point gets tricked by the hell priests and ends up stranded back in hell

fights for untold more billions of years in hell now as a demigod

temple collapses on head, gets coffin’d

10s/100s of thousands of years pass

doom 2016

doom eternal+ancient gods

I think, anyway

And somehow the Betrayer is still alive through all that time.

People don't like it because it's not a fun arcade shooter and colorful like Eternal

ftfy

I think it’s mentioned in a codex that time doesn’t flow in hell, so you don’t age your soul just gradually leaks out, it might have been one of the Nekravol codexes, I also might be conflating two different texts

don't forget "battle royale"

it just looks like he's spamming punches and dodging slow clearly telegraphed attacks

At some point I realized you engage every enemy the exact same way. Get close, shoot until a parry window comes up, parry + melee, repeat until dead.

The problem is that they're making the games after 2016 gimmicky and forcing you to play into the gimmicks. That's why eternal and dark ages are so repetitive. When they lean into the gimmicks too much you just end up doing mostly the same thing on each level. 2016 didn't really have this problem (on nightmare) because you had to be strategic in how you approached on the levels, which meant that knowledge from the levels played a big factor and not just mechanical skill.

Why is the game so ugly? Eternal looked great.

More enemies on screen.

2016 actually looks the best though

It's not. It's a huge improvement over Eternal

Yeah I should've specified the lessons they forgot to learn or ignored, my apologies.

They shouldn't take john carmacks words fully but this shit is why he's somewhat right

My biggest fucking gripe with eternal is how the enemies also all sort of blend into the background and because of all the shitty rendering crap you can't disable for me and my eyes shit just blurs together at times to the point I can't really see enemies and the invisible enemies I can't see 70% of the time

The last boss of this game really just makes you repeat the same phase 3 times huh

forced RTX

I'm a broke niggerfaggot.

Ftfy 3rd'y

>None of that exists in TDA. There's no strategy. You just play "however you want," so long as how you want to play is engaging close up and relying on the shield.

This is why enemies like the Cyberdemon are absolute dogshit and why I hated the Leader/Morale mechanic, you are forced to parry this faggot like 5 or so times while dodging around everyone shooting you from the outside, and only then can you kill the cyberdemon

So that's another lesson they didn't fucking learn. Having an enemy that takes priority from everybody else

So Dark Ages goes into Eternal pretty smoothly, but how did he end up in the sarcophagus in 2016?

It's a whole mechanic now, basically invulnerable mini boss fights shooting at you until you clear the area and this is what makes up most of the big open areas of the game for a reward (usually upgrades), It's so tiring have to parry dance with a Cyberdemon or any of the big melee guys every single time

The DLC will explain that when it comes out

It's got twice as many chapters as the other two give or take, and some chapters are pretty long bespecially if you clean out the map of secrets. Considering how boring thel evels and onen ote combat gets it's a hard sell to get me to replay this

All these fucking sliders and they couldn't add a "slo-mo" toggle? Or a "skip on-rails bullshit sections"

you need a deep terribly written story forgettable characters to explain why you're stopping the demonic invasion thats currently underway

definitely, I only play doom games for the story

Doom 1 + 2 was released Aug. 2024 and it was groovy and that vanilla autoaim felt fresh as fuck and still does. I can't believe how simplicity has done this. O-oh, the new "Doom" is coming out huh. Ok.

Doom Eternal's movement focus was absolutely classic Doom, this 'stand and fight' philosophy is just the antithesis of that, the shield could have been at best another option but it's literally the ONLY option. It screws over their own weapons, why would I bother with anything that isn't the Super Shotgun?

So Doom is just Bop It with a medieval-sci fi overlay now?
Fucking disgraceful how far the series has regressed

I only play doom games for the story

It's not like a certain developer said anything about stories or hell a certain game from 2016 actually handled the story very well in the first place but whatever give us the terrible story that no one remembers

Doom Eternal's movement focus was absolutely classic Doom

This line of thinking failed when eternal launched and it still fails now.

Actual Doom fans left the series a long time ago (either because of Doom 3 or 2016). All that's left are bethesdrones.

How the fuck is classic Doom not about being super fast

when you fight the agaddon hunter, can you actually do nothing but wait until it stops shielding? Least fun enemy besides the cyberdemons so far.

then adjust the difficulty settings: turn down the parry window, turn up enemy projectile speed, turn up damage to player, etc. the devs give you the tools to make the game as hard as you want.

The difficulty settings is literally the job of the developer to adjust to provide best experience for the player. Why the fuck I have to balance the game for myself as a player? Does dark souls have difficulty sliders?

For those who have tinkered with it - what’s the optimal game speed/parry speed settings? I’m playing on vanilla Ultra Violence and the partying is still pretty forgiving. Also is the mod that disables slo-mo make the game better?

its up to you.
i didnt see enough slow mo to care. it wasn't my issue with the game.

it's not selling well cause its on gamepass

Is the proper way to play the 3 doom games the 2016/eternal/dark ages in release order or dark ages/2016/eternal so you start at your max power and the rest of the games you're working your way back to full strength before you got put in the coffin?

It's just another Cyberdemon and that's why it sucks ass, get close, parry twice (or thrice whatever) then shoot/melee it when it's stunned until it's dead which depending on where you are in the story could take like 5 instances of parrying, AKA the main strat for a lot of enemies in this game. The fact that the Rocket Launcher has an upgrade that let's you heal yourself with splash damage so you can just use it in a parry war against a Cyberdemon blows my mind, it needs the parry to heal you so you cant use it on a regular basis it's literally just for that mechanic

Parrying on the hardest setting is so forgiving I can't imagine how early you can press it on the easier/easiest settings

The mech fights total maybe 30 min in the whole game, it's fine. Simple segments that change up the pace. I think the game doesn't need mech and dragon sections but it wasn't a big deal.

oh I see, I'm supposed to stand face to face and just eat their shit.
I really dont like this game.
The cyberdemon has a fuckoff big gun, why would I rush in to encounter that? it has a sword moveset and stomp when you're close so I assumed I was meant to fight it in mid ground non stop shielding.
Then, they try and have the exact same language communicated that i need to go face to face with an enemy that has a fucking sword and shield?

This game is like a shit budget spinoff.

The original Doom had melee.

It just sucks
I don't care enough to explain why if you know you know
Go play doom 2

Doom is a normiefranchise now, ain't no way Anon Babble will admit liking it.

With all the hype Stalker 2 had, and E33 has, they could both easily be higher without gamepass. Hell Stalker 2 peaked higher, with gamepass, than Eternal did during covid.

I wish I could play life on ez modo

The flailgun is basically a better version of your melee flail except it doesn't give you ammo. With the emphasis on melee I'm surprised it felt weak, always felt risky using it on anything other than fodder because it doesn't even stagger well.

Then, they try and have the exact same language communicated that i need to go face to face with an enemy that has a fucking sword and shield?

By the time the Aggadon is introduced you should know the score by now, it's an awful version of the Marauder but that is TDA for you. Remeber how the Gore Nests in Eternal had a mechanic where one enemy could attack you but it was invulnerable until you killed a lot of the surrounding demons and then when attacking IT the demons would respawn periodically while you back and forth parried with the main demon and couldn't see what was happening around you too well? Oh wait it didn't do that because it's not boring as shit

The fucking pushback even on a stagger is insane

What demon was ruined most by being forced to adhere to TDA's shitty combat philosophy? Cyberdemon? Marauder? Even the Cacodemon is super unfun now

too expensive and too big file size
had it been $40 and 20-30 gig it would have been perfect

What demon was ruined most by being forced to adhere to TDA's shitty combat philosophy?

They all unironically suck to fight and im tired of playing the game in a really fucking red filter now.

watch some gameplay

tutorial popups every 5-10 minutes that literally pause the game to explain the mechanics

Cyberdemon is pretty braindead if you fight it up close. If you fight it from afar it rapes your shield with its machine gun, and summons spikes if you try to hide. So you're encouraged to fight it up close and just parry its melee, attack, parry its melee, attack, repeat until it dies. The other heavy demons are more varied and better designed. Cacodemon it's too gamey with its goofy ass projectile walls, but it is pretty dangerous.

IT'S LIKE THEY SELECTIVELY CHOSE WHICH LESSONS THEY NEEDED TO LEARN FROM THE LAST FUCKING GAME

I like the second set, he's learning to be more mobile until he becomes a much different beast from his dark ages days.

Well it's not 'if you fight it up close' you have to, maybe not as much as Aggadon where it's literally invincible far away but still

It's funny how they try to make it accessible with all the visual cues and slow motion, but in reality all the flashing lights and effects make it harder to know what the fuck is going on. I can't even tell if I took damage half the time. And you can't turn everything off. I think the game would be much more satisfying without all the effects. Just show metal sparks when you parry not big green flashes.

youtube.com/watch?v=ddzUGWdxsyA insane how much better this looks

I really wish my fucking game looked as clear and not as smudged because fuck me I feel like I can't see enemies whenever I look around too fast.

Just finished on ultra-nightmare. My general complaints are that the dragon and titan levels are objective filler that are boring as shit wastes of time. The combat is a direct downgrade from Eternal and 2016. Whoever thought sprint should be a toggle and forward only should be shot along with whoever made weapon swaps take so much fucking time. The weapon balance is also atrocious. The focused skullmasher and dagger parry will literally clear the entire game just holding the buttons down. Who the fuck even needs the BFC when you have those.

Most of all though turning DOOM into parryslop and having a bad soundtrack are egregious sins that should have Todd castrate the entire dev team. Still not terrible by modern AAA fps standards, but comparing it to the indie scene or it's own previous games it's a fucking travesty.

doom games havent been good since 3 why you faggots are still crying about every new crumb of slop idsoftware sharts out is baffling to me
find a new franchise holy shit its been like 20 years god damn you are almost as bad as starwars fags

This. I enjoyed 2016 and Eternal but for some reason it just got tiring and i never bothered finishing either of them

dagger parry will literally clear the entire game

wait this is better than the turret?

Cacodemon
Later on with the mace, you can just double melee after he gets dazed for a quick kill. He and the Baron are easy mode after the mace.

disable slo-mo

allow skips for turret, flying, and mech portions

recast Thira

remove forced ray-tracing and properly light your game

redesign enemy projectiles and loot to not look like flashy mobile-game dogshit

remove denuvo

I will now play your game

Without i-frames I think the slo mo removal is a nerf.

The daggers clear the entire arena every time you proc them if you just start spinning when you get them. The turret's not even bad, but the daggers just rape everything all at once. They're retarded.

I can't speak for Eternal because I never played it, but Doom 2016s entire gameplay loop is

corridor

arena

repeat

It makes it harder visually for the player to lose it but technically it's just the gamespeed, you're not actually getting any benefits from being in slowmo like it's a level 25 zed time perk or whatever.

recast thira

non complaint.

no that's what they were saying to begin with, you need to use specific weapons or mods for specific demons because otherwise you burn through your ammo like it's nothing or you just don't deal enough DPS to keep the glory kills coming and you die

eternal empahises movement and weapon swapping. More involved than dark ages loop of shoot and melee.

Parrying at 150% gamespeed, it definitely feels like it helps when enemies like baron, or the prince have multiple attacks in a row to get dazed.

Yeah and eternals is now

small arena

arena

corridor

repeat

i dont think they could even get away with it nowadays because what really defines DOOM is it's labyrinthian levels and people nowadays just aren't geared towards that in an FPS (even though it really isnt that hard, just kill the demons WHILE you explore instead of running around like a retard blasting everything and then forgetting where you came from). The original DOOM was also way more methodical in how you approached combat(cough cough chaingunner) and isnt really what people think of at all when they try to imagine DOOM, to the point where I think that 2016 basically tried to make a sequel based off what people that never played it thought DOOM was versus what it actually was.

It's actually the most valid one

the devs give you the tools to make the game as hard as you want

If this is genuinely what the developers believe and not just fanboy damage control, then I will never play The Dark Ages ever. That is the most ABSOLUTE FUCKING DOGSHIT GAME DESIGN PHILOSOPHY POSSIBLE. DESIGNING THE CHALLENGE IS LITERALLY THE GAME DEVELOPER'S FUCKING JOB.

barely seen it, does it actually feel like classic doom? am i gonna be wallhumping and blasting imps hiding around corners?

I love thira and I shall respectfully not allow this slander

Anon Babble is the only blue board with a lower average IQ than TV, what did you expect?

does it actually feel like classic doom?

No

am i gonna be wallhumping and blasting imps hiding around corners?

No but it's still not fun compared to the originals

I sighed every time I saw the level was a huge map with 3 'keys'

i play games for gameplay not to bitch like a virgin about whores on r/v/.

the big field levels are the only good ones.

You love a random gears of war expy with like three lines of dialogue?

It just wasn't fun.

Yes and you cannot stop my retardation

It's not a bad game, but it's clearly unfinished and the few bad things in it come from ID listening to the people who hated Eternal

glory kills are bad, I'm tired of pre-canned finishers, let's get rid of them

weapon switching is a bad mechanic, let's get rid of it

the game is too vertical, doom isn't quake

the game is too fast, let's slow it down

The monkey's paw curls, and the NIGGERS who incessently cried about eternal got what they deserved (still didn't play it tho, since the ""people"" who "hated" eternal don't play video games)

lots of issues, but the gameplay completely revolving around "hit shield when you see green" is the biggest problem

Blaming the people who were valid in their criticisms is very fanboy behavior.

is this garbage supposed to look good? this dogshit and the dragon segments just brought the already bad game down even more

It's not even fun to play and it looks even worse just watching. I don't know why people keep posting it like it's an ebin own.

If they were right the ancient gods part 2 would have been better than part 1 (it wasn't) and dark ages would've been better than eternal (it wasn't)
every single misstep made by id comes from people complaining about difficulty in their games

Why is it bad objectively speaking?

it insists upon itself

trvke

every single misstep made by id comes from people complaining about difficulty in their games

I mean it could be the overcorrecting but no it's people complaining and nothing else. Fanboys I swear

Yikes

Holy shit I just watched a walkthrough of the game and I unironically think it has the worst final boss of modern video games. It's like if Pinwheel was the final boss of DS1. Maybe I'm misremembering and some game had something worse.

glorykills being removed is good s
everything else is correct though, dark ages combat boils down to parry baiting to kill everything on the screen with shield runes and then just mashing ssg, rocket, or the impailer on enemies up close

Shadow of Mordor had a QTE final boss

Doom 3 had it worse

I think im about to stop playing this fucking swamp level with the forge sucks so much because of the graphics there's some fog and it's so dark that most enemies for me I just can't see and I don't want to use the fucking desaturation thing where they mark the enemies red because I just want the enemies red and not my whole environment looking like shit. God damnit fuck you hugo you hack.

ending of doom 1 in fact, when he returns to earth hell has invaded and killed his mascot bunny.

you cant be more original doom than the bunny

i genuinely suspect a lot of people who bitch about 2016 and eternal's tone didn't play the first game(s)

2016's tone was beautiful, eternals tone was ass

2016 was doom 3 with its levity not in deus ex style emails, eternal is closer to doom 1 and 2

I love the new id engine so much

But there are multiple combinations you can use for every demons. Most weapons and abilities are blanket solution for any demons. The game push your ability to use all of the tools to its limit. People hate it because they just want to turn their brain off. That's like saying a fighting game shouldn't have specific combo's and you should just mash any button to form any good combo.

i'm playing on Normal difficulty and it feels miles easier than Doom Eternal and even 2016. I've only rarely been challenged and its mostly come from large waves and spawns. I feel like maybe the game hands out too much health, armor and ammo. Even if you run low on ammo you can use your shield and melee to get more ammo. I'm not someone who usually feels the need to play on Hard difficulty but I might just for this game.

Eternal sucks ass faggot

so true retard-kun

Honestly, I think TAG 2 is fun because of the axe replacing the sword. It does make the game a bit "easier" in a way but not too much. I kinda miss that axe when I go back and play the master level.

true, the science fantasy sloppa 40k shit is just awful, but hell is always kino to kill demons in

Not really, 2016 was almost the same as eternal, just more unbalanced, especially toward the end if you get specific upgrades. Eternal refined the combat base line from 2016. Eternal actually has very deep and varied combat. Great mobility and distinct weapon/mod variety mean there are many ways to approach every fight and each area encounter offer different things. Things were explored months to year later into the game like how to incorporate the microwave beam.

Are you stupid? Neither match the tone at all, they focus too hard on DOOM SLAYER

becomes a demigod

this was the biggest mistake of the story

its literally over

at the very least he definitely loses that at the end of Eternal, that much is overt. dark lord (shit character) dies and is like AH BUT YOUR POWER IS MY POWER and then doomguy falls over and goes back in the coffin

i hate tag2's ending but at the very least it leaves it excessively open for another doom 2016 take on things where it's just a new story in a new setting instead of continued stupid sentinel bullshit

ETS2 is kino so it's not fair

I think 2016 handled it alright. Doomguy has achieved some level of fame within hell but for the most part he's a wrecking ball going through the plot. Eternal is where they really go way too far with sucking off doomguy and references. HUGE GUTS, GET IT? It's like all those joke posts about doomguy being the most op vidya character got made canon so everyone is in constant awe of him and the game won't let you forget that.

This but unironically. I turn on my boomer sound system and my 77in TV... put my recliner in the middle of the carpet so I'm close to the tv, lean back, crack open a coke zero... and game. this is how I've been playing dark ages.

sometimes i think about how doom eternal's arc complex level implies the demonic invasion of earth has been going on for 25 years
what the fuck was doomguy doing all that time

The bunny being Doomguy's pet was lore added in Final Doom, but it is still classic Doom.

yeah. even in eternal (and even dark ages, mostly) doomguy himself is handled pretty well, but his surroundings get dumber and dumber.
2016 almost has a metafiction angle to doomguy shoving the plot out of the way and it feels like id themselves just didn't appreciate what they had. I guess I can't fault them for chasing their viking metal dreams but at the end of this game when the dragon dies I just didn't fucking care and doomguy getting pissed off when it happens felt like a complete reversal from feeling totally on the same page as he was punching monitors and wrecking the argent cells and all that.

He got trapped in a terry wad

well doomfags, it's possible you've narrowly avoided the falloutification of your franchise

if the shallow casualization that tries to prop itself up with BADASS dragons and mechs and vikings underperforms there's a chance you'll get an actually decent game again

No it came from the original game using MIDI versions of actual metal songs.

youtube.com/watch?v=O4cIdlSSIjA
And the soundtrack is fucking awesome for it, with the original songs fitting in just as nicely.

Didn't try this game yet, but it seems to me like in this game you're just a walking tank that parries. Is that it?

And melees. I wouldn't describe you as a tank because the best way to play is to zip to every enemy and bash their face in.

Pretty sure it was pushed by Romero more than anyone else.

I doubt they will pick up on that. More likely id will decide that "not enough dragons for mass appeal" and double down

NuDoom is really, really fucking cringe.

Doom Slayer?
More like
Doom Swimmer lmaoooooo

max of 3 demons on the screen at once

Not a Doom game.

the marketing of this game was kind of BS. "Stand and Fight" just means block and shoot.
You don't really feel like a tank at all, you're still fragile and the best way to play the game is by constantly shieldbashing directly into enemies from across the map. That's the only way you get anything that feels close to Eternal's level of quick lethality.

stand and fight

literally

So did dark ages happen before the first games? Did they genuinely retcon them so it's not just a really angry guy killing demons?

pc gamer had an article where the reviewer for this game pointed out how much it felt like they had designed this game for controllers and how much it felt like it suffered for that and the comments were bitching out for it saying it was absurd to say controller design makes shooters worse

lmoa

for the last time the timeline is
doom>doom 2>doom 64>unknown gap of time in hell>dark ages>another unknown gap of time in hell>2016>another smaller time gap>eternal

No, it still takes place after the ogs

That's a lot of slow motion for just 15 seconds of gameplay.

Okay thanks anons, I'm glad it doesn't go against the og games.

barely 85% positive

flop of the year confirmed

idk because i didnt played it but im 100% sure that 2016 onwards is a retelling of the same story, so you have to pretend 1/2/3 didnt happened or it was the same story narrated by a crackhead on acid

wtf why do you talk about the cheevos I posted to show how goody good the gayme is

That's a yes then.

Doom Eternal

hey here's a cool "boss" the Marauder and he's just a reaction minigame shoot him when he flashes green :)

Damn this thing sucks and it grind the game to a halt whenever he shows up because now you're playing a different game

FINE FUCK YOU PLAYERS

EVERYTHING IS MARAUDER NOW

CLICK ON THE GREEN LIGHT

DOOM THE DARK AGES

Fucking gay. Cybies are supposed to be the type of demon that wrecks your shit at close range.

except people came up with fun tricky strats to kill the marauder without dealing with that shit (nothing speedrun-tier broken, mostly sneaking shit around his shield somehow)

you probably COULD get around parryslopping the harder enemies in dark ages but that shit's not gonna be fun or interesting in any kind of way, the game is just too simple

i just want doom guy not doomslayer giga god gary stu is that too much to ask for

they're the opposite in this game, they have a hitscan chaingun on their arm so your best chance against them is zooming in and engaging in the parry duel.

Unironically looks like a dance battle

2016 and eternal feels good because they put you in the driver seat of a power fantasy. The demons are obviously powerful, relentless, and have a lot of power throw at you. However, you as doom guy is extremely fast and can dish out firepower like a human sized gunship. You control the doom guy so he can navigate and win seemingly impossible battle. It makes the player feels satisfied and accomplished.
Doom Eternal tries to make players feel good in the passenger seat and honking the horn (i.e press button when green light) to see cool shit and feel strong.
You can't recreate the rush of playing eternal while playing dark age.

youtu.be/SnCw9ESwnFk

Oops I mean doom dark age tries to put players on the passenger seat. Time to sleep

Meh, I guess they could still be dangerous if surrounded by other demons, but too easy to fight one on one.

Retards actually believe he was stronger than Samus or Chief who beat things about as big without a mech.

OH MY GAWD

LIKE IMAGINE DOOMGUY

BUT ON A HECKING DRAGON!!?!?!?!?!!

This game is like basedface incarnate.

Exactly, it's the Doom 3 problem all over again—make an enemy tanky but neuter the chaos around them and suddenly it's just a slow duel instead of a frantic brawl. Doom is at its best when one wrong strafe gets you pancaked by a hell knight while a lost soul is trying to French kiss your ear. Not this turn-based chess match crap.

It's funny because in Eternal, you can actually get away with some sloppy play by just abusing the chain gun shield. Hey, it's a shield that can allow you to block and just ram into enemy to stagger lock them. You can be caught in a bad position and the shield will bail you out. However, many players feel that the gun shield is boring to use so they minimize using or not using it at all.
Doom dark age decides to base the whole game around that aspect

This should’ve been a Quake game. I hope the cosmic levels were just testing the waters, an entire game of it would be incredible.

I mean in this game you can get guardbroken and if you get guardbroken you get absolutely fucked.

As one of the few who actually beat it, it feels like it can't decide if it wants to be a hardcore skill test or a power fantasy, the main culprit is the weird lack of animation cancels and the parrying being actively punishing, especially on Ahzrak

The originals had such a 90s surfer dude attitude, bro. Like an M-rated version of 90s Sonic edge. 2016 took itself seriously in-universe and played it straight. It did this while winking at the audience by showing Doomguy ignore exposition and instruction. Eternal got the more goofy tone of the 90s games right. It insisted on story and Doomguy no longer skips story.The Dark Ages goes a step farther and makes story part of the level so replaying some levels gets too tedious. Tone falls back to the 2016/Doom3 serious tone more, not the 90s/Eternal tone.

Don't insult Mortal Shell like that.

Why is it bad objectively speaking?

I actually enjoy it. But it isn't as much fun as 2016 and Eternal, because the game is 80% melee combat instead of shooting guns at demons.

again—make

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Can you show me where the key for this character exists on your keyboard?

It's the same concept since the chaingun shield can be broken as well.
It's just that the gameplay concept of slamming the shield into demon while holding the fire button wasn't the most engaging gameplay compared to what other things you can do in eternal.

you basically want an fps game with 0 depth, just run and gun

Exactly what Doom is supposed to be. Depth is for fags, games are supposed to be fun.

It's insane that you are so proud of being a retarded shitter

The weapons and setting would fit Quake 1 a lot more for sure, but not the game speed. It has a bit of Hexen in it too with the maces, the flails and caped medieval styled enemies. The weapons that use skulls as ammo feel very Painkiller-ish, but could still fit in Quake.

In terms of gameplay I'm having a great time.
In terms of overall game design, I'm in the cosmic realm and I CAN'T SEE FUCKING SHIT, which is a massive letdown considering DOOM Eternal had the best implementation of HDR I've seen.

Halo is the opposite of run and gun. Halo has very slow movement and requires precise positioning, taking cover and strategy around its limited weapon pickups. Doom is all about high octane speed, dodging and running, keeping monsters occupied with infighting and having more freedom with weapon choices.

It's also insane how fucking pretentious you are. Doom was never supposed to be anything but mindless shooting, yet here you are insisting that it should be something else.

When the poors realized they couldn't play it.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 3.39%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 2.27%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 1.82%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 1.72%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 1.21%

That's 10% of Steam games who are too poor to play this. There are even more GTX cards at 0.8% which I didn't include.

Here's one

Meh this Dark Ages *IS* just a run and gun. There's barely any rules how to fight unlike in Eternal. Just charge in, block green, use 1 weapon, shield throw on every small enemy. Punch for full ammo. That's ALL.

Do you think that people with 1650 are playing triple A lol?

theres one guy on /indie/ who always hypes this game
is it bad

This plus also its just a shit game

How many of these are just some anons side/work laptop that got registered on the side?

What do you mean by supposed?
Original doom was a sophisticated video game for its era. Doom is about chaotic shooting and violence, but the gameplay doesn't have to be plain and dull. It's also a singleplayer and not a competition multiplayer game. You can pace yourself in any difficulty and choose to delve into the depth or not.

You know, in a typical arcade game you can get your fill from 30 minutes of actual gameplay

only way to get health is killing enemies, more for glory kills. this encourages the aggressive combat we want players to do to match the gameplay style were going for

This is what pseudointellectual game design is right. Something can sound smart and clever, but you have ro actually test it and see if its fun. This is a problem with a lot of western developers. Theyre so overfocused on the explanations of gameplay that sound good in theory or an argument, but dont necessarily play out well.

Any interview with Miyamoto on Super Mario 64 is basically him throwing his hands up going " i dunno i just played around with it and made adjustments until it felt fun to control"

Doom has always been a boring game overrated by immature kids who think quality is how mature or adult it makes them feel, and Doom sure is gray and full of gore and demons your grandma doesnt like, so it must be great right? No its fucking boring

og doom was more like a exploration game mixed with a shmup since you need to explore the map and evade proyectiles that are shot to you, its still cool.

i agree glory kills have no place in a real fps.
quake had AMBIENCE but its a worse game because of the smaller enemy numbers and limitations that new 3d had , modern wads are on another level than the classic ones

Nah, 2016/eternal made them work well. People were very skeptical of glory kill when doom 2016 few first trailers came out. People expected doom 2016 to be a shitty failure after the DNF fiasco. Doom 2016 turned out to be a great game and Eternal continued on that basic set up.
Allowing players to regenerate health and resources of combat means that they can push enemy aggression and fire to its limit. Players are expected to get hit but can sustain the fight if they hit back well enough.

nu doom is strange because it has some aspects of the old game but it dosnt replicates it to perfection and thats good, only pl,ayed 2016 and not much but compare the movement speed and enemy numbers of doom 2 and 2016. 1st the ammount of enemies on screen the readability of the terrain and the size of the levels make it a complete different game, almost another genre.

they are still fun games both of them but its absolutely not the same, this is another AAA shooter with a stablished genre while classic doom was inventing thje genre at the same time it was experimenting with a lot of things

still think its great they are open to experiment with new stuff, with some luck they will discard the shitty parts and the dlc will be a better game

Players are expected to get hit but can sustain the fight if they hit back well enough

thats cool conceptually but having to watch the kill scene non stop kind of ruins the pacing, like you loose all your awareness of your surrounding

parry slop

green light red light

shit soundtrack

$80 for a singleplayer game you don't own

Yea, and doom 2016/eternal were also revolutionary in introduction in that kind of gameplay into fps in an era where fps singleplayers were pretty plain and more story and set pieces focus. There were great even if they don't play like the old doom games.
I don't think dark age basic idea is that bad but the execution seems based on fear of overwhelming players like Eternal. You can make a parry system without the green bullshit. Vermintide has very satisfying and popular first person melee with block/parry against mobs without needing all of that glowing green attacks and slow down.

I don't really feel that. I think glory kill gives players a breather in an intense fight and there is a always a feel of relief when you glory kill those bigger enemies. Also, for eternal, you don't have to glory kill that much because you can Regen shield with fire as well, which was nice. Also, imo, glory kill also give mass appeal, while it is more optional for really good players who can get by with little glory kill to upkeep their tempo.

Many action games like ninja gaiden and MGR have similar execution mechanic.

If that's true, then one solution would be to divide the game into episodes. Three short episodes contained within themselves are better, in my opinion, than one huge episode.
But nowadays it's a total sin to release short games. The industry has started looking for a type of audience that doesn't understand or like games, that consumes video games as if they were movies or books, so if the game doesn't have at least 30 + hours they'll say: "I paid for the game, how did it end so quickly?" because in their retarded brains the idea of playing the same game over and over again to improve like in the old arcades doesn't make sense.

Becuase Doom (2016) and Doom Eternal exist

The industry gave up on episodic games because every single study showed a considerable decrease in sales for each one. SquareEnix is currently learning it the hard way, stubborn as they are.

have all the weapons

game is apparently > half way done

im bored

When you get the ball none of the other weapons matter anyway. It's just outright badly done.

This, but the impaler. Being able to spam the mace just by getting a headshot is the easiest thing in the game.

The last melee weapon? Yea but you get it like around 2/3 of the game and the ball is before 1/3.

best model is non stop development but only a select few games have the numbers to maintain a studio running from it so they need to re release the same thing with 2 or 3 changes and charge you again for it...