Do you prefer rpgs where you’re a chosen one or where you’re just a normal guy?

Do you prefer rpgs where you’re a chosen one or where you’re just a normal guy?

Normal guy deciding to be the big hero or just doing cool shit and getting there will always be cooler than "chosen one" unless you manage to try really hard and manage to very skillfuly make the latter fun by either giving you freedom to fuck around as you like, or if the story behind the 'choosing' is epic as fuck to the point where it's excusable

in most cases tho, the former is still cooler

Are you too scared to talk about this on Anon Babble?

I don't see how a normal guy is supposed to kill gods

In Morrowing you’re the Nerevarine, in Skyrim you’re the Dragonborn, but in Oblivion you’re just the Hero of Kvatch, a title that you earned through your actions. You were perhaps fated to be given the Amulet of Kings (which you can’t even wear) but everything else was your own achievement. I generally prefer that.

a story where there are no chosen ones and everyone starts off with the same opportunities but only a few choose to use it

Normal guy because
For example both kcd and witcher 3 have similar kinds of quests and choices they are much more impactful in kcd because henry is human in the end with not that much pull meanwhile geralt can slaughter a small army on his own so you never feel anything matters from him unless it's about some other character.

Normal one has to suffer, chosen one gets whatever he wants

normal guy

Normal guys spent all their days wagecucking until they die. Hero isn't normal by default.
Normal guys are the dudes from Battle Brothers.

his mind immediately assumes that actions are done out of fear

Thanks for accidentally admitting what drives you.

By becoming something greater.

If RPGs allowed as much realism as my AIslop text adventures, I’d pick a slightly over talented normal guy. So, he doesn’t die like a generic foot soldier and gets promoted

“Notmal” in this context just means “not granted significant powers or importance from their birth”. Bruce Wayne isn’t “normal”, but if it weren’t for his skills and knowledge he’d just be another rich guy.

It's the same in Morrowind as I remember. You're fluffing prophecies on your own. Similar to Rand from Wheel of Time.

Just a normal underage cute girl in a short skirt that helps people and has implied romances with her childhood friend who is also a girl.

I liked that in Daggerfall you are just a low tier operator that gets caught in over his head.

the chosen one is a party member but not that good at fighting

youre just a regular guy who has to protect them and help them on their journey

Not necessarily a normal guy, but I do prefer as little concrete backstory as possible. I don't mind my character being recognized as a hero by others from the start of the game if the details of why are left somewhat vague or up for interpretation.

I like reluctant chosen ones who would give up their destiny in a moment if they could but cant.

I am just a normal joe but I also level up faster than any other entity in the known universe, making the full trip from rat killer to godslayer in like 3 months in-game

At this point "normal guy" people are just coping, self-conscious, "I feel guilty if I enjoy my escapist fantasy to the fullest"-guys.
It is the same rationale behind westerners in general, and anglos in particular, having used up sluts as love interests in games. You get to enjoy escapist romance, but she is a worthless cunt makes it seem more real, more "within their grasp". That is how pathetic they are.
Same with le ebin underdog guy that is so normal despite eventually becoming a fucking god. But yeah, it was through a whole looooot of effort you see ;). It is some weird and idiotic bargaining they have to do to enjoy their media.
At least the chosen one cliche is honest and straightforward.

Based and Chosenpilled

outward is probably the few that do this normal guy adventurer plot justice

Same power fantasy. Bunch of mooks = literally me.

For as much shit I give to Toriyama, at least he never pulled this shit. Goku was never the chosen one or super special, he was just some kid who liked to fight. When Goku became the strongest person on Earth, Toriyama turned him into an Alien, but also made it so that he was the weakest of all the other aliens and was only sent to Earth because it should have been an easy mission.

I guess. I don't really care. The framing just feels more grounded and interesting.

People often conflate "chosen one" with just being special. If there's no prophecy or wise figure/force/god that declares them to be the chosen one, they aren't a chosen one.

really? haven't seen those except gag mangas or comedy. battle/competition shonen are terrible at having normal protagonists

Why not both?

It's funny how Naruto made Naruto the "child of prophecy" and the reincarnation of one of the Sage of Six Path's sons, only to point out that that really does jack shit for him.

His dad was a genius, and his mother was an anomaly even among her clan. Naruto inherited neither of their talents or abilities. He doesn't even have the strong chakra that the Uzumaki were known for, as the story points out that the reason he has so much chakra is because his dad intentionally designed the seal so that some of the Nine-Tailed Fox's chakra always leaks out and merges with Naruto's becoming his own. So he's been getting pumped full of extra chakra his entire life.

So despite his bloodline, Naruto is genetically no different from a random civilian or any clanless ninja. It's literally just a combination of his own hard work and the fox that made him strong, his genes aren't special at all.

The framing just feels more grounded

Don't know honestly. If you look at this from the different angle there is no way for bunch of mooks to achieve anything great in grounded scenario. I mean if you want to kill giga strong evil demon lord 666 who can be down only by physical violence you would want an elite squad filled with the peak genetics, talent and experience.

Mantling a role through deed and becoming the chosen one because of it, is better than both.

With a grand and intoxicating innocence

Then just make the villain within the scale of the party. Not everything has to be about being god or giga nigga demon lord. Can just be fighting foreign invaders or some more personalized villain.
Or you can just not give a shit anyway. I'm pretty sure you fight big bads in like Etrian Odyssey but your party is just random adventurers you recruit and make up characters for. Not that I feel like the plot is that important in those games in the first place.

I still love this take on the whole "chosen one" trope so much. I love when the story leaves it somewhat open to interpretation, and it's up to the player to decide whether they feel it means something, is false, or just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

It's an RPG, I should be able to look whatever godlike being in the face and say, "Nah, I just worked really hard to get here."

bunch of random retards in the wrong place at the right time can and did have a huge impact on events. In a setting with evil demon lord there can be artifacts they stumble upon to give them more of a fighting chance against the impossibly strong foes.

Bunch of random retards supporting the main party. Like how in Goblin Slayer the GS itself is just a random dude hunting goblins and not the main demon slaying hero.

Similar to Rand from Wheel of Time.

Based

In spite of being a biological determinist and loving battle shounen, I hate the Chosen One trope.

The Chosen One trope sucks because

1. If the character is destined to win or everyone's investing in him to win, then why am I even bothering to read the story? He's going to win. It's a foregone conclusion. You can argue that this is true of any protagonist in the long run, but you then at least get to learn HOW they won. Chose Ones don't have a "how," they just win because the author says so. Stories are supposed to have the point. What's the point of this story? Be lucky? Pray you're the main character? It's a waste of time.

2. Stories are full of characters and the main character usually isn't the most interesting. Being told he's going to shit on all these more interesting characters just because he was predestined to be better than them with no attempt to win me over is frustrating.

I prefer starting out as just a normal guy, and through following a prophecy, becomes the chosen one like in Morrowind.
You don't start as the Nerevarine, but you do become him by mantling him.

arent all chosen ones normal guys?

The reason the main character isn't the most interesting character is because they're the most developed and fleshed out characters, so there's no mystery to them

People prefer side characters because they're blank slates you can project and fill in the gaps with

It was dub only, some stuff di happen later but like with Adol Christin by that time he did so much bullshit that he was the closest to a chosen one without being a chosen one

Learned KB in a single night

Summoning and how to use the Fox in less than a month

Rasengan in a month

Mastered wind nature in like a month too because he's the only one that can do the clones cheat without side effects in less than a month too or close to it

Sage mode in a week

Yeah, sure...

Reminder he never tried, he didn't train and it was stated that his Uzumaki chakra was the only one able to hold the fox

So despite his bloodline, Naruto is genetically no different from a random civilian or any clanless ninja. It's literally just a combination of his own hard work and the fox that made him strong, his genes aren't special at all.

Not really, like at all.

Everyone in GS is fucking retarded tho

i prefer rpgs where i can play as the evil protagonist but they dont exist, no, antihero/murderhobo doesnt count

The Chosen One trope sucks because

It doesn't.

If the character is destined to win or everyone's investing in him to win, then why am I even bothering to read the story? He's going to win.

Chosen One =/= destined to win.

Stories are supposed to have the point.

What's the point in playing video game if normal character doesn't die 1 minute after start?

Learned KB in a single night

The Shadow Clone Jutsu is not a complex jutsu in and of itself. The issue is that on top of the chakra it takes to create a solid clone in the first place, your chakra is divided evenly among you and all of the clones.

So if you make one clone, you and the clone each have 50% of your maximum chakra, with three clones you each have 25% and so on

So it's impractical and suicidal for most people to make more than one or two clones. Naruto circumvents this issue by having so much chakra that he can make 999 clones and still have plenty of chakra left over

Christianity also claims that people are special and destined to do good

Are you genuinely fucking retarded or do you get everything you think you know about religion from fedora tippers on reddit?

I like the prospect of a prophecy that doesn't call out a specific person, but the prophecy itself is saying there will be someone who has the balls to pull off something really cool. It's ultimately a semantic thing, but the guy who pulls it off isn't technically the confirmed "chosen one" until after he's already done it.
It also presents the opportunity for lots of chosen wannabes of varying character to try their hand at doing the thing.

normal guy that becomes the chosen one through a combination of luck and effort.
such as there being a super sword of fuck you I'm the hero that will bless its wielder with the power to defeat the big bad evil guy, but it's sealed in the super kill dungeon behind an intricate series of traps and puzzles and your adventures gathered together the right people with the right things and skills required to reach the hero sword and thus fufill the prophecy that the hero will delve into the dungeon and emerge with the hero sword and save the world.
The prophecy is a load of shit but by being the one to reach and acquire the sword you've de facto become the hero of prophecy.

The only thing anyone can use as reference is slop.

Pick up a book faggots, not every story has to be your manchild power fantasies with flashy lights.

Normalfag self-inserters hate characters who are successful, talented or strong.
It's interesting behavior. Just look at anything with romance

I love him...because he's nice to me XD

people constantly seething about this. Because they can't get pussy IRL they're upset that fictional character can. And their hate is sincere.
Same shit with chosen heroes.
This behavior apply to RL skill. The hatred for anyone skillful is real. Even if someone learn skill from 0 to hero he will be called "talented one" as cope.

That's not true. If anything, most main characters are blank slates. Look at Jujutsu Kaisen. We know Gojo far better than whatever the fuck the MC's name is, I can't even remember it, but Gojo is also the only character anyone likes in that manga. He's just a fun character.

Chosen One =/= destined to win.

It's always going to be something like that.

What's the point in playing video game if normal character doesn't die 1 minute after start?

How is this a response to what I said? Maybe it is and I just can't understand it because your English is terrible.

Sculpting your own fate is absolute kino
Being literal nobody or chosen one on set path sucks

The "chosen one" trope predates recorded history, it's by now means a modern thing

Chosen Ones aren't as common in books. I read lots of books, but I can't remember any of them having a Chosen One.
And this is Anon Babble, don't act better than us, faggot.

People seethe at the nice guy winning because it isn't true to life.
The Chosen One isn't skillful. That's why people hate the trope. Other characters actually have to DO something to achieve their goals. The Chosen One just shows up and the writer hands everything to him. That's just boring.

Normalfags don't self-insert though. It's nerds and autists that do that.

Fucking dragon quest vii is the most egregious example of this

you're the son of a likable chad fisherman and his slampig wife on an island

get to end of the game

actually you're not his son and you're the son of edgelord x the pirate captain who disappeared mysteriously 5000 years ago and a princess of a special snowflake lost kingdom who turned into a mermaid and used magic to teleport you into the future to avoid a curse so you appeared out of nowhere into your fake mothers womb and it was a miraculous pregnancy like jesus

I was so mad about it, so unnecessary and it meant nothing to the story other than making the hero's origins less humble

Normalfags don't self-insert though

What a total nonsense.

The epic of Gilgamesh, a ton of Greek myths, a good chunk of the bible (Jews are literally God's chosen people).

Gojo is a 28 year old teacher while the protagonist is a 15 year old high school student, so of course the former has more backstory to explore. The former is already a "developed" character, while the latter's development is still ongoing

What about an RPG where you are a normal guy, but you force the gods to make you the chosen one because the real chosen one is dead? This was Wind Waker and the concept is kino.

Normies aren't the type to self-insert, they view fiction as "observers".

Self-insertion is something nerds and autists, people unsatisfied with the real lives, do for escapism. Normies have nothing to "escape" from.

Normal guy. Like cyberpunk. You're Freddy Normal, getting by driving forklifts for dosh so you can afford an apartment, ir just existance. You have the power of giving lonely people atrention and being directed around, used. That's it.

No religion. No dogs. Just a big world that's ok with you existing in it long as you move crates like everyine else that starts from scratch.

No organised crime. No cops. Unless i'm shooting them or in some way not on their side.

Not out to save the world, or even get the girl. Just to carve out some enjoyable existance. Ride motorbikes. Do whatever some amusement is offering. Get to be a local. Travel. Be a man. Go from boy to man. And then kill cops, save the world and get the girl, irl.

I liked the RPG where you were the drunk instead of the hero

You have never been around "normies" or even other people at all lmao.

I don't know about 'normal guy' but I like how Shepard in Mass Effect 1 is 'just' a chad veteran special forces operative. Becoming warrior jesus in ME2 was too far for me.

People seethe at the nice guy winning because it isn't true to life.

It isn't true to THEIR LIFE. Not others. This is just their projection and insecurities.

The Chosen One isn't skillful.

They are. Normalfags (people) love to downplay any chosen one achievements similar how they do it with RL skills

talent did this

you're successful because you have a talent

I like it when I'm important because of circumstance, but I don't like having special magic bullshit going for me that other people don't.

You are completely out of touch.
Normies LOVE to insert themselves into fictional worlds. It is by far one of the biggest reasons certain popular media like Star Wars and Harry Potter are such big hits. Ask any normal fan and they'll often claim to want to live in those worlds. Normies exercise constant escapism not because they have an unsatisfied life, but a boring one.
Nerds are more often an inverse of that. Rather than inserting themselves into a fantasy world, they more often want to extract parts of that fantasy and bring it to the real world in which they are unsatisfied.

bitch Ichigo is the most special person since chapter 1 and coasted through the series relying on his "talent" and massive inner power, like his gigantic dumb sword is literally the sign of that.
At least it's not Nardo that pretends he's a normal kid and giving lessons about how working hard beats talent but later turns out to be reincarnation of ninja jesus.

Jabun: If you have sought me out...it must mean you have found the Hero of Time, does it not?

King: Unfortunately, that is not so.

Jabun: Then for what purpose have you come to see me?

King: The one I have brought with me has no connection to the legendary one. And yet I sense great promise in the courage that this one possesses.

That just means that WW Link has no blood relation to OoT Link, but he still possesses the "spirit of the hero" that all Links possess that enables them to wield the Master Sword so he still qualifies as a "chosen one"

This, it allowed for the main quest to have a different spin in each playthrough. You can be

A dunmer, the prophetized messiah, and have a story about reclaiming your roots and the love of your people

An imperial, who despise the locals, and use the prophecy to advance the Empire's interests

A drug addicted khajit who was just in the right place at the right time

All work within the narrative

How is this a response to what I said?

Okay

You can argue that this is true of any protagonist in the long run, but you then at least get to learn HOW they won. Chose Ones don't have a "how," they just win because the author says so.

Characters follow the same patches no matter if they were the Chosen Ones or not.

shoot them until they die

The son that Naruto is a reincarnation of is the one that WASN'T special. The older son (Indra, the one Sasuke is a reincarnation of) inherited the Sage of Six Path's chakra, Ashura didn't.

I don't mind either. I enjoy stories where the protagonist is strong from the start and also enjoy stories where the protagonist starts weak and becomes strong, whether through hard work or being somehow special. The only things that I absolutely do not enjoy are weak protagonists and unhappy endings.

I liked the story of the first God of War the best—it has a satisfying conclusion and I feel like it never needed a sequel/reboot. In it he’s just a mortal who was such a psycho and badass that Ares granted him power in exchange for becoming his servant. But even then he’s nowhere close to a god in power until he finally gets Pandora’s Box, which takes the whole game.

In the sequel it turns out he’s the son of Zeus.

Your rival is allegedly more talented and historically put no effort in just being better at everything you did

You dunk on him through the whole game

A character isn't more likable just because they have more backstory. Gojo's a great character before you even get his flashback. Actually, he pretty much steals the manga from the MC. While reading JJK, I got the impression that Gege really just wanted to write a manga about Gojo, but Shounen Jump wouldn't have been cool with that, they needed the MC to be a 15-year old red oni Chosen One with barely any easily identifiable features.

It isn't true to THEIR LIFE

Women don't like nice guys, this is just a statistical fact, it's not subjective at all, it comes from meta-analyses with samples in the tens of thousands.

They are

They can be, but they don't need to be. OP is about Ichigo. Have you read Bleach? Did you not see the master class in writing that is Ichigo's defeat of Ulquiorra?

Normies aren't the type to self-insert, they view fiction as "observers".

The fuck? There is a reason why you see adult characters, relationship drama, kids, used goods, NTR and other shit in Hollywood movies. It's to make characters reliable (literally me) for the audience. The same reason you often see "aging up" of some characters in the movie adaptations so normalfags can self-insert. It's the same reason why some normalfags hate romances in video games, especially RPG, so much. They fear to cheat on their gf/wife. The people who can
"observe" don't give a fuck about all this.
It's the same why average 18-early 20yo like edgy serious grimdark HBO tier shit. It's a phase when you want to consume adult media with adult characters like yourself.

You can't really be a regular grunt while also murdering a gazillion elite teams while saving the world, can you? Kind of shows that the whole "everyman" thing isn't actually a thing...

Okay

You're not even going to attempt to explain yourself?

Characters follow the same patches no matter if they were the Chosen Ones or not.

No they do not. Normal characters have to outsmart their opponents or train their ass off, in the end they get upstaged by a guy who's secretly the reincarnation of Jesus and didn't do any of that shit.

Being the foil to the inheritor of Ninja Jesus's abilities is still special. It means Naruto and Sasuke's relationship isn't organic, it was predestined. They had no say in the matter.

He's still the son of the most talented ninja ever and part of the secret super special clan, but whatever, that's not really my problem. Being special isn't inherently a bad thing. My problem is early on he's pretending to be the talentless underdog beating up geniuses but in reality he's the most genius of them all.
Meanwhile Ichigo takes shortcut in every single training he does. Literally no one in the series think he's just a normal dude that had to work hard to achieve things. He has everything laid out in front of him from day one.

Women don't like nice guys, this is just a statistical fact, it's not subjective at all, it comes from meta-analyses with samples in the tens of thousands.

See again: projection and insecurities. There is 8.2 billion people on the planet Earth. Some of them had happy romances. And their happiness makes you seethe because it didn't happen to (You). Even fictional stories with such outcomes make you seethe. This is so pathetic.

The point isn’t that he stays a normal guy, just that he starts out that way. Gordon Freeman is just a scientist, but he becomes the face of the human resistance through his actions. There was no need to have a twist where he’s actually the product of splicing human and combine DNA to create the perfect soldier. G-Man chooses him, but only because of what he accomplishes.

Japs unironically believe hard work can't beat natural talent.

You're not even going to attempt to explain yourself?

You play Baldur's Gate, KCD or any RPG. The MC can't die. The entire story is meaningless and pointless.

No they do not.

Yes the do. Try reading or watching story with The Chosen One MC at least once.

Riiight.... freeman was just the everyman... indeed...

Hard work can't beat natural talent because hard work coexist with talent. To unleash power of the talent you need to do hard work.

Normal guy. Hopefully one that interacts occasionally with the chosen one just to reiterate the fact that you're not him, but still play a role in saving the world or some shit.

If "just a normal guy" can defeat the big bad guy why the fuck hasn't anyone done it already?

Talking like the boss in Office Space is not an argument.

He had no special abilities at the start of the game. He isn’t the son of anyone important. He isn’t a chosen one. He is a scientist who earned his position. If it weren’t for his actions, he’d be just another scientist who gets killed.

The Conan style. Conan is a completely normal human, not a magical or special person, (except in the sense that someone with great genes is special) but he is the strongest, toughest fucking human there is. And when he comes face to face with things more directly powerful than himself, (as is almost always the case with monsters and wizards) he can win by being sneaky and smart instead.

So everyone who accomplished anything for the first time in irl history was royalty/part of a prophecy/etc?

has no abilities

somehow top tier operator who can fight against aliens and other trained military operators like nothing

Everyday scientist.

I didn’t day he’s an everyday scientist you cuck, I said that he doesn’t have abilities beyond a human.

Unfortunately they had the idea for it from the get-go, it just was only in the bonus extra content for the game after beating it on Spartan mode. youtube.com/watch?v=qaSUJTQiu88
Both this and a different extra about his brother eventually became the premise of Ghost of Sparta. I'm definitely with you though, it would have been far cooler to have just been a situation of him getting there off his own merits

Isaac Newton's father was a no-name farmer and his mother was a whore (in his eyes). Albert Einstein's family were failing salesmen in electric engineering. Mike Tyson's mother was a prostitute and his father her pimp, who also played baseball wasn't particularly remarkable. Michael Jordan's parents were a bank employee and equipment supervisor.

I'm not trying to trash all these famous people's parents, but you will notice that they are much more humble and mediocre compared to this one child they had who went on to become an eminent individual. While it's true that genes provide the greatest contribution to one's abilities and these are inherited from our parents, and theirs from their own, and so on, and such you can make statistical predictions about the overall performance of large groups of people, you can't really do the same with individuals. Genetic inheritance is sloppy, genes themselves can be pretty sloppy, and environmental circumstances play a role as well. If two people have the same IQ boosting genes, their children will certainly get them, but if they have different ones, their children could get all of them or none of them or anything in between. And this is true for all traits, which is why you know Paul McCartney, but not his parents or children.

So while the Chosen One does tap into something of a real phenomenon, it goes overboard to the point it becomes ludicrous. Mike Tyson's father was not almost the greatest boxer before a stray bullet got him. His grandfather didn't invent boxing. His great grandfather isn't famous for punching a Nazi. That's not how the real world works and it looks fucking stupid in fiction.

i've seen both sides explored pretty thoroughly by this point, i don't have a preference. both can be done well or badly. as long as the journey is good, i don't care if i'm destined or not.

view seinen like I Am a Hero

Just stop right before you get to the end

While it's true that genes provide the greatest contribution to one's abilities and these are inherited from our parents, and theirs from their own, and so on, and such you can make statistical predictions about the overall performance of large groups of people, you can't really do the same with individuals.

Thank you, I think this is an important point that gets ignored too much.

Because of his determination and refusal to die, not because of powers that were given to him at birth. It’s almost like that’s the whole point.

It's true that it does happen sometimes, but it's atypical, and stories are supposed to have a point, so if a story teaches you an atypical point, it's kind of a bad story. You can have a story that has some atypical conclusion if the point is meant to be more nuanced, but we're not talking about that.

You play Baldur's Gate, KCD or any RPG. The MC can't die. The entire story is meaningless and pointless.

No it's not and I don't know what this has to do with what I said. I said a story is supposed to have a point. How does the main character of a video game being invincible invalidate that? Are you trying to say that since the MC respawns you can win no matter what you do and thus the story can't have a point? Well, that's just not true, because in order to respawn you have to die first, which means there's a failed state and you can only win by reaching an ending the game wanted you to - which means reaching an ending that fulfills the game developer's point.

Yes the do. Try reading or watching story with The Chosen One MC at least once.

Okay. How did Luffy defeat Kaido?

I think the perception is different. We're mostly talking bout video games, fantasy and action genre. Where you kill your enemies using swords and magic in the world of war, sword and magic. Meatgrinder.

Any games like this? This sounds cool.

You play Baldur's Gate, KCD or any RPG. The MC can't die. The entire story is meaningless and pointless.

MC not dying is exactly what makes the story worthwhile. Why should I bother investing time and emotions reading/watching/playing something that will leave me unsatisfied?

I've been burned so many times, and nowdays I read plot synopses before picking up new series and don't really follow ongoing stories, and it's saved me a lot of time and money. Cyberpunk is the last game I preordered and played on release and it will definitely remain the last.

I don't see how that's relevant. You can still be a Chosen One. Or not.

One thing that made FFVII great is that Cloud has a mental breakdown because he realizes he ISN'T the Chosen One, but he pulls himself together in the end to do the right thing anyway. He basically forces his rivalry with Sephiroth into being a thing, even though there was no reason for that to be the case. The remake's ruining this, of course.

Funny enough Kotor features both a chosen one like figure and a hero of circumstance

stories are supposed to have a point, so if a story teaches you an atypical point, it's kind of a bad story.

Just leave this pseud trash behind already. Stories don't owe you anything. Your insecurities and incelism don't make any story bad because you can't project your misery on the main characters.

even though there was no reason for that to be the case

The fuck are you saying you retard

I prefer normal guy for an rpg. Chosen ones have to be extremely well written to be good, and not ala Skyrim where you just start sucking dragon soul juice ten minutes after leaving Helgen.

Funny, I don't see how gods are supposed to be able to kill every normal guy.

Stories don't owe you anything

Of course they don't. And I don't owe any money to writers of bad stories.

I love that the actual plot of ff7 and the real twist in the game, that cloud isn't actually anyone special, hes just some fucking dude from a small town who fucked it all up and was working as a regular guard, fell into a mako reactor when the actual crazy SOLDIER guy, zack, and sephiroth were fighting and is just a delusional schizo and why so much shit doesn't add up with him is completely overshadowed by the "LOL AERIS/AERITH DIES" shit and it not really being much of a surprise or twist so people still get caught by the aforementioned real twist.
Its great.

stories have to have a point

yeah
to entertain you

you stupid fuck
not everything needs to be some deep meaning or parable, it can just be purely about entertainment or even just exploring interesting ideas

Alright, Hercules and Achilles are my models now. More protagonists like them? (Super gigachad who can fuck 50 women in one night and who is physically stronger than anybody else and hyper-skilled indestructible psycho who has sacked several cities) (Also Hercules started adventuring as a young man and Achilles was 15 when the Trojan War started)

There's nothing more normalfaggy than self-inserting.

Chosen one but you tell the prophecy to pound sand.

you clearly don't read any books if you think they don't have power fantasies.
why is it always retards who try to shame people for something and the actual ones who should be shamed.

Go fucking read a book anon, because you clearly have never picked one up

Normies have nothing to "escape" from.

The average person hates their job and their boring life lmao

Stories almost necessarily need to have a moral conflict and resolution to be entertaining.

"I wanted to eat a sandwich, so I bought some bread at the corner store. I came back and when I came back home I made a sandwich and then I ate it", is, in the strictest sense of the definition, "a complete story". But it's hardly entertaining.

nobody is interpreting this concept correctly.

you ARE a normal guy. but because you were born human above all the rest of nature, you ARE special.

you're allowed to think of yourself as both totally ordinary and extremely special at the same time.

but it's important to remember your ordinary-ness.

in JoJo part 3, Enyaba tells Dio that he must think of his power as completely ordinary in order to continue to improve it.

the duality is important.

Lets not forget that he did take the piss out of Sephiroth in the reactor

Happy romances =/= being a nice guy. You can act like a man and still have a loving relationship with your wife. In fact, no real man would ever want anything else. Actual nice guys can never a loving relationship because women righteously despise them for being little bitches.

The point of the story about Chosen One is to show you a character's journey (Epic of Gilgamesh). Now you can play your menial gymnastics.

inb4: Gilgamesh isn't special

The story of FF7 is how people can influence others and the world even after their deaths

No, but they were determined and capable. Normal people are not that. The defining factor of your average, normal guy is that he will never step out of his comfort zone unless he's convinced it will kill him not to. And even then he will probably get fucked because he has no skill, no talent, no courage, no willpower, etc, etc. If you have any of these things you are not the average, you are above average.

The real redpill is that Japs age all their characters down by 10 years because they can't fathom the idea of, say, a 25 year old saving the world from a big bad or whatever.

That reminds me that it's canon in Dragon Quest that multiple major villains were beaten into the ground right before the chosen heroes show up by one of the main characters from VI jumping around spacetime as a 10 year old pokemon trainer, so all those boss fights were actually with villains on death's door.

Dude even beats up his own future self.

Step 1 is having some silly polytheistic definition of god.

I don't have a superiority complex or an inferiority complex, I know what I deserve and what I do not deserve.

The Greco-Romans (who had the PVREST incarnation of Indo-European paganism btw) made all their gods unkillable immortals, althoughbeit.

actually if the protagonist is determined and capable it’s no different from him being the chosen one of prophecy and also royalty and the son of a god

Ok.

Pick up a book faggots, not every story has to be your manchild power fantasies with flashy lights.

No, but they would almost certainly be more entertaining if they were. Death, failure, tragedy, heartbreak, and all the other negative aspects of life are terribly mundane, and as such, incredibly boring. If you want to experience the overwhelming depression of the human condition, you only need to go outside for a while. The strength of a story is that it can be triumphant and unrealistic.

That's not what I said. I said that if the protagonist is determined and capable, he's not a normal person.

Yeah, I don't have any issues with chosen one stories. What point are you trying to make?

you are... le prophesized one

What point are you trying to make?

Point doesn't exist.

Okay, but bad stories do.

People seriously read manga for children, like actual gum-chewing, baseball after school children, and then they start getting really mad that it's stupid.

No, they do that because their target audience is children and teenagers.

Seinen and Josei have adult protagonists all the time.

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But KYS.

The only games that really have a blue collar guy doing heroic stuff is Dead Space (Isaac is just a contracted space engineer) and Death Stranding (Sam literally an amazon delivery driver).

kind of goes out the window when Freeman sprints nearly as fast as doom guy

The scopes of the first two Rance games feel fairly small, and because Rance always gets so lucky and plays dirty using any advantage he can get, it does not feel he accomplished an impossible task.
The remakes suck though.

The only games that really have a blue collar guy doing heroic stuff is Dead Space (Isaac is just a contracted space engineer) and Death Stranding (Sam literally an amazon delivery driver).

What about half-life?

Normalfags make fun of self-inserters and media made for self-insertion all the time.

If normies were into self-inserting, they'd love harems and isekai, but those are genres normies mock.

The remakes suck though.

Horrible le contrarian opinion. Rance even dies in Rance X. It's not luck but skill.

Remember when the japanese hated Ghost of Tsushimi because they couldn't stand the thought of playing as a middle aged japanese man. Truly this country is lost beyond the pale.

I like Morrowind's middle ground where there's a prophecy, but it's left vague if you were chosen or were just a rad enough dude to pull it off.

Not only do i not think Gordon is blue collar enough to be a grunt, i don't think he is even human honestly.

I like stories where an ordinary guy can surpass all sorts of chosen ones and demigods.

Oblivion's whole main quest is you doing the heavy lifting for the real chosen one because he's too valuable to let die.

They didn't like Ghost of Tsushima because it's not a Japanese game, it was made by an American developer

Did you not see the master class in writing that is Ichigo's defeat of Ulquiorra?

It was berserk kino. What's the issue? Ichigo had a lot fair fights in Bleach where he was in control. He jobbed a lot too. Had training arcs.

Skyrims approach to this was perfect, my most fun character was a vampire illusion mage who never saw a single dragon

True kino is being the chosen one but nobody believes you or they hate you, and you do it anyway

I didn't say that it was the entire plot of ff7
that isn't even the core of what ff7 is about, it seems you lack both the comprehension to understand what the game was talking about as well as the inability to comprehend my post talking about how a specific twist in a game doesn't get spoiled by people because they talk about the far less important and far more telegraphed end of disc 2 reveal with her death.

Huh sounds familiar

deconstruction of chosen one hero

actually is the perfect chosen one hero

giving lessons about how working hard beats talent but later turns out to be reincarnation of ninja jesus.

Actually the lesson of the children's show that seems to go over the head of most weebs was that your destiny isn't set in stone

B-But Naruto was a rein-

He and Sasuke were reincarnations of an ancient blood feud "destined" to kill each other and fight for eternity and Naruto managed to put an end to that cycle once and for all. Something that not even Hashirama managed.

Not to mention that by the end game of Naruto, literally everyone important is a special snowflake with hax powers. So who cares if Naruto gets in on the action.

I like games where you're a normal gay goy, like KCD2

Something tells me you love modern Hollywood and AAA video games.

No one said it has to be deep. Why does it entertain you? Is it RANDOM?

Yes, it is random. If you're an idiot.

Something tells me you love modern Hollywood and AAA video games.

It's funny you say that because those are the kind of things that try and shove in a point even when it's not necessary. Like TLOU2 trying to shove in a REVENGE BAD message in right at the end despite being a schlocky TPS survival crafting sludge game.

Also, Naruto and Sasuke (and Hashirama and Madara) aren't reincarnations in the traditional sense. They're different people with their own souls (which is why Hashirama and Madara are able to be revived and coexist with Naruto and Sasuke during the war arc) and personalities. It's just their chakra moving from vessel to vessel.

Dragon Quest V

Something tells me you love modern Hollywood and AAA video games.

I love deep thought-provoking indie-games and movies for intellectual adults like myself.

normalfags love isekai, the fuck are you talking about?

Ichigo

normal guy

He's literally an athletic and handsome chad everyone loves.

muh underdog in shonen

Rock Lee did incomparable damage to the image of shonen series in the west.

Rock Lee brutally loses to a Jinchuriki in his very first real fight in the SECOND arc of the series

Midwits: Hmmmm this must be saying hard work is more important than talent!

Character starts off as a normal guy

Is actually the chosen one from a long lineage of super special people yadda yadda

Turns out he was chosen because of his morals and personality than powers, lineage or other things.

It's really dumb.
Chapter 1 literally starts with him revealing that he can see ghost
dumbfucks think this guy is "a normal guy who's just like you"

Normal guy that works and gets godly power

The concept of "Jinchuuriki" and Tailed Beasts did not exist yet in Part 1, it was a retcon in Part 2.

I swear to god naruto fans suffer from amnesia once kismoto writes something on the paper, its like it puts blinders on them

I like how in Dragon Quest XI you are the chosen one, but things end up so shitty you have to really earn the title of hero and make your own legendary blade

Doesn't really change the larger point of the post but you are correct on that small detail. The powerful kid with a demon inside him (not explicitly referred to as a Tailed Beast at this point in time) demolishes the hardworking character in the second arc of the series because the evil spirit gives him unprecedented levels of power and control over sand.

it was stated that his Uzumaki chakra was the only one able to hold the fox

Naruto never has the entire Nine-Tails until the very end of the manga. Minato only sealed half into Naruto, and the other half into himself. Minato isn't an Uzumaki, and he was able to not just contain, but use the other half of the Nine-Tail's chakra when he was Edo Tensei'd in the War Arc.

After Naruto's half, the Yang half, is extracted, Minato gives him his Yin half. Naruto fights Sasuke with the Yin half, and then gets the Yang half back after the fight. Only then does Naruto have the entire Nine-Tails.

Final Fantasy X. The whole party including the protagonist needs to protect and escort the only person who can beat the villain.

I prefer RPGs with good gameplay.

chosen one, and he is actually fanatically worshipped by inhabitants of the game world

I think any story with a central protagonist makes them the "chosen one" in a sense. Even if it is an average Joe MC instead of a prodigal specialboy, writers give them the perfect combination of support, luck, circumstances, determination, wisdom, any trait that will lead them to success. Side characters rarely ever get that treatment, because they aren't the main character, so what usually keeps them relevant is the narrative need for them to match the protagonist in power or fulfill some kind of unquantifiably valuable role, like emotional support or comedy.

All of that is entirely different from being the literal chosen one in-universe.

Being a chosen one takes what can usually be chalked up to luck/coincidence/plot armor and makes their plot armor a literal in-universe thing.

That's probably the best kind. That there is a sort of chosen one in a prophesy but it fluctuates to whoever could fit it rather than a single being born in XX era.

That way you can have your cake of a normal guy and eat it too by having him grow into someone worthy of being called a hero.

Gordon's X factor is literally the player.
Both in and out of the fiction Gordon is the players avatar and therefore special, see the hidden Vortigaunt in HL2.
That doesn't mean others can do shit in Half life, all the expansions and Alyx prove that, its just that Gordon is special because he is (you).

name the game

normal guy
less cutscenes

I get what you're saying, but I consider those things part of that universe. Something like destiny directing the outcome of the character's choice. It's all the same to me. MC being born with extra powers or whatever is not much different than the things I described lining up perfectly to achieve more or less the same result.

Shadows of Valentia

i haven't played it but sounds like coldsteel
can someone give me the reandown?

This more describes books than games

As a religious person, chosen one, now and always.

The Rogue Trader is a chosen one though.

I like supposed to be the chosen one, turns out not to be, but does the chosen one thing anyway.
Starts like a destiny thing, but whether protag wants it or not when given the chance to step up and become a hero, they chose the hard path. Wish a few more games did that. Hell wish any did. I dont know of any myself.

Literally chosen by God Emperor.

born humble

overcomes impossible odds

wins the hearts and minds of his people

becomes legend

Shonens are all about hardwork.

At first sure but they pretty much without fail give their protagonists some kind of bullshit powerup

It took Dragon Ball until the King Piccolo arc to give Goku an unearned asspull power up.

Though the Saiyan retcon makes it ambiguous whether the water actually did anything, or it was just his Saiyan biology causing the near-death experience to give him a power-up, the end result is the same, it was the first instance of Goku being handed a power-up for free