What the fuck happened?

great game with a simple story, has the atmosphere of half life and metroid prime

Slayer is left mysterious vague and could be the betrayer, the king, some random nights sentinel, the old doom marine, or some other human, we don't know his intentions so it makes him even more mysterious and badass

Blessed by the seraphim, possibly given power by God himself but it's probably good that we don't elaborate and keep this seraphim and the slayer's power mysterious

Cool lore about multiple ages of Hell and multiple hell lords falling to the Slayer

Cool multiplayer that has some environmental storytelling with the maps and gameplay with decent casual PVP, nothing too serious

Cool map editor built in so console players that can't mod can still have endless content

Eternal comes out

WHOA DUDE WE PUSSIED OUT OF MAKING DOOMSLAYER FIGHT ANGELS SO WE MADE A SHITTY GENERIC STORY WHERE THEYRE SCI FI FAKE ANGELS AND HELL IS RULED BY THE DEMIURGE AND IS NOW SOME GENERIC FANTASY HELL AND THE SERAPHIM WAS JUST A RANDOM MAYKR AND SAMUEL HAYDEN KNEW ARGENT WAS BAD BUT HAD TO ACT LIKE HE DIDNT BECAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY AN EMISSARY OF GOD WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE REAL DEVIL AND AND AND THE DOOM SLAYER IS THE OLD DOOM MARINE AND IS MORE BADASS THAN CHUCK NORRIS AND IS SO QUIRKY HAZ A PART OF SATAN IN HIM AND MOM GET THE DORITOS PLEASE

DUDE ITS BEEN THREE YEARS BUT I PROMISE WE'RE STILL ADDING INVASIONS PLEASE KEEP WAITING NO WAIT NEVERMIND FUCK YOU WE CANCELLED IT

SHITTY ASYMMETRIC MULTIPLAYER THAT HAS NO EFFORT PUT INTO IT

What the fuck happened? How would you anon make a proper sequel to Doom 2016?

What the fuck happened?

Microsoft's Midas Touch of Shit.

All I know it that I just started Dark Ages and I have no idea what the fuck is going on in the story anymore. What planet does it even take place on? Where is Mars or Earth? Why are their humans with advanced technology living in medieval castles? None of it makes sense

Doom was never good

Doom 2016 was an honest and genuine attempt to bring an older game to newer audiences. When the series became popular the leeches wormed their way in so they could corrupt it.

I don't like the idea of validating angels and demons, let's make them aliens

Hey, we should update the gameplay for modern audiences, how about we shove in parries?

We need a character for the player to empathize with. I know, let's shoehorn Debrah Wilson in.

etc, etc

yeah true
but also just dont worry about it :)

SHITTY ASYMMETRIC MULTIPLAYER THAT HAS NO EFFORT PUT INTO IT

I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with this. Just make 2016 multiplayer again, it was literally perfect.

When people ask why The Dark Ages flopped just take a look at Eternal. People loved 2016 which is why they couldn't wait for the sequel. The sequel went full retard which is why no one gives a fuck about The Dark Ages. Me included.

It has the atmosphere you want to absorb and revisit, unlike the marvel cringe the latter 2 are.
I also would add that the work they did on UAC facilities is phenomenal. Basically a better "sci-fi lab tour" than Half Life, and the future structures you actually wish you could visit.
Plot is mere basics, it's environmental story telling makes a unique experience where it was just engrossing running around killing demons.

I so wish they just stuck to that approach, tone and aesthetic. Feels like a massive waste.

DUDE HE IS LITERALLY A GOD NOW HE CAN DESTROY MULTIVERSES AND COULD SOLO THE EMPEROR FROM WARHAMMER 40K EASY HE ONLY USES GUNS BECAUSE KILLING PEOPLE WITH HIS MIND WOULD BE TOO EASY

actual gameplay

Doom Guy has to dodge colored balls and pick the right one or take damage until he dies

You serious nigga? If anything OG dooms were samey samey while eternal let's you handle things in different ways. OG doom is just

I will use le....shotgun

Stop saying dumb shit

OG Doom didn't have fast weapon swapping, in fact it's quite slow. The result of that is each weapon has a very specific role to combat and knowing which one is applicable at any time is important. Shotgun is okay for most situations, but you pull out the rocket launcher for groups of weak clumped up enemies or bigger demons. Chaingun is perfect for lost souls (before super shotgun came out) Cacodemons, and cheap chaff possessed humans. The maps could also dictate weapon choice as there are plenty of areas where pulling out splash weapons was a bad choice due to tight spaces potentially killing you as well. That's where the chainsaw comes in handy.

OG Doom had really good gameplay that people still make WADs and play it to this day.

You complained about it being samey samey, now you're rambling about weapon swapping. You just don't know what you're complaining about, contrarian fag

The pre-3 games were more of what their dedicated audience wanted, and the fewer things to engage with on paper made for more distinct mechanics. Eternal weapons and mods often step on each others' toes, a solid example being the myriad very similar ways to bust enemy weak points, as well as the excessive focus on that. The chaingun and heavy assault rifle in particular end up feeling interchangeable and awkward to run at the same time. It's a series of red-light-green-light interactions and each layer of depth is just adding another one of those to the pile (i.e flame the horde before a remote detonation rocket, quickswitch SSG and ballista on the marauder after parrying, use (x) weakness of (y) demon instantly or be overwhelmed)

The chaingun and heavy assault rifle in particular end up feeling interchangeable and awkward to run at the same time

On what planet? You use the assault rifle for the precision bolt, and for the chaingun you use it to stagger big enemies so you don't even quickswap with it retard-kun

use (x) weakness of (y) demon instantly or be overwhelmed

For the marauder yeah, but that's not the case for 99% of other enemies. You don't NEED to destroy revenant guns or the arachnotrons gun, you can just kill them normally which is what most people do
I just don't see how you can complain about this then praise OG doom which is just circle strafing and shooting until thing dies

jank halo is literally perfect

It was more playable than zoom slayer 2v1, but lets not beg for scraps here

You use the assault rifle for the precision bolt

I consistently found stickybombs and the ballista, as well as a close range SSG shot, to be easier to use in almost the same way for the same effect. They crowd each other

You don't NEED to destroy revenant guns or the arachnotrons gun, you can just kill them normally which is what most people do

I don't know the last time I didn't see someone go out of their way to pop weak points. Enemies are seriously hard-hitting and spongy without doing this

I just don't see how you can complain about this then praise OG doom which is just circle strafing and shooting until thing dies

You have played them, right?

nah 2016 was always a retardedly balanced gimmick fest

great game

Stopped reading there, 2016 was a completely generic slow, casual sci fi shooter closer to Halo than Doom.
Surprised it didn't flop.

Cool multiplayer

What the fuck are you smoking, it was a generic COD MP mode obviously forced by shareholders.

literally all plot shit

no mention of gameplay

This is why everyone makes fun of you, Anon Babble shitskins, you are literal women, none but them would give this much of a fuck about plot shit.

These posts are the ones that show nu/v/'s third world IQ.
Glad you untermensch have no influence on gaming

it got hijacked by reddit

Apologize.

It never ceases to amaze me just how much Eternalfags despise Doom

Game comes out

DSP hates it

Second game comes out

DSP hates it, says first one was better

Third game comes out

DSP hates it, says last game was better

I can see why Anon Babbleiggers relate to him. They’re just as retarded.

You think THAT is the worst of it, OP? You really do? Not the fact that, with DOOM: The Dork Ages, Nu-Id finally had a chance to put their own personal flare on the franchise, maybe do something slightly different than just the ol "demons & angels" bit, & their BIG IDEA, their HUGE MINDBLOWNING PIVOT their PERSONAL ADD TO THE LEGACY WAS:

"HEY BROS SO CHECK SO BROOOOSSSS, HOW ABOUT - AND LIKE ~NO ONE~ HAS FUCKIN' EVEN ~THOUGHT~ OF DOIN' THIS YET IN A GAME BEFORE MY DUUUDES CHECK IT: ~~**FUCKIN' C'THULHU, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD, YEEEEEEEAH**~~"

?

Let's just face it: the fucking (Western) AAA industry is officially beyond creatively bankrupt at this point. If it's not "Tolkien" or "Demonz" or "FUCKIN' C'THULHU DOOOOOOOOOOOD," they have fucking nothing left.

When the games got shittier and shittier, of course people gonna say the less shitty one is better.

Idk what he said about 2016 when it came out, but he still thinks Eternal is shit

Don’t reply to my posts, bot. DSP does this for literally every game series.

DSP thinks every game is shit. He hated 2016 but when Eternal came he said 2016 was good. If you watch any TIHYDP he does this literally every time for every game series.

funny I seem to remember everyone shitting on the multiplayer during the 2016 beta release pretty hard for being a slow ass halo clone

What the fuck happened?

Hugo is what happen blame him
>How would you anon make a proper sequel to Doom 2016?
Keep the grounded uneasy atmosphere aspect that doom 2016 tread abit and make it less gamified.

Microsoft's Midas Touch of Shit.

kek

Can't be bothered to address any other part of your rant, but he was NEVER implied to be the betrayer. Only illiterate people who attempted to read the lore in 2016 thought that. It's explicitly that brown dude.

Keep the grounded uneasy atmosphere

grounded

maybe if you live ON A MARS COLONY

oh no the the level variety! well have a whole level of fucking nothing but you walking to the bossfight

How would you anon make a proper sequel to Doom 2016?

Prodeus is like a low fidelity 2016 but actually has the OG doom secret sauce
hugo thinks he's too clever for the original and has to re-invent the game design wheel by bolting on a bunch of one shot gimmicks

I don't know, but I bet if you keep making threads crying about it, Id will retcon Eternal out of existence.

Actually no, the weapons in Doom were pretty well balanced all things considered

Minigun is the designated zombie killer, good range and rate of fire, way better than the shotgun at longer ranges

Shotgun is pretty good against crowds of zombies, works well in 1v1s against imps and pinkies, and in desperate encounters against cacos

Plasma gun is good against crowds of imps, pinkies, and lost souls

Rocket launcher/BFG are amazing against heavies and crowds of weak demons

I swear, the shotgun meme has been spouted by people who only play the originals on the easiest difficulty

You're not paying attention, and then getting mad at the game for you not knowing what's going on. I finished Eternal right before starting this, and it makes perfect sense.

I just want a Doom game that looks like the promotional art for the original and is basically Doom 2016 but with a more traditional level design (also get rid of these lite RPG mechanics)

Nazis won the war only because they stole hyper advanced technology from magical Jews

Yeah, nah.

Just play Brutal Doom. That's basically what they were knocking off with '16.

there was a shit tone of lore in those glowing pages you picked up in eternal,they don't say shit otherwise ingame

I like it, and i respect sgt mark for his work, i mean let's be honest he revived the doom hype for normalfags, but even on the hardest difficulty it leans too much on the power fantasy side of things and i kind of dislike the modern tacticool look, Doom is supposed to be inspired things like Evil Dead and Alien

I don't know the last time I didn't see someone go out of their way to pop weak points. Enemies are seriously hard-hitting and spongy without doing this

Eternalfags strawman the fuck out of this, I replayed it lately and the Chaingun is absolutely fucking useless on plenty of enemy types, the Cyber Mancubus being one in particular.

You can 'kill' them with it, but it takes like 30+ fucking seconds and you'll probably eat shit before even killing them. You practically do need to exploit weakpoints and use certain weapons on certain matchups, I don't know how the fuck Eternalfags have disputed this for so long, it's ingrained in the game's design and Martin talked about it at length.

Only things I would've changed:

making the tone and progression between levels more grounded (Doomcave mostly relegated to just an optional bonus in the main menu), instead after one mission in you're immediately just casually visiting Agent D'Nur like it's nothing

Dark Lord not being another Doomguy, the prince in Dark Ages looks far more like how I originally imagined him; also bossfight taking normal damage with a bullet-hell emphasis instead of solely redlight-greenlight

take out the retarded cartoon daze effect, replace with a simple animation cue

DLC enemies not requiring a specific weapon attachment just to die (ESPECIALLY the green prowlers), goes against the game's strengths

Hayden having more involvement in the early game, even if it's through recorded logs, to better illustrate how Earth got fucked

Everything else was solid and fun. Didn't ever care for either's multiplayer so I haven't many feelings towards how Invasions should've been implemented, the idea sounds nice but it's easy to see how the balance would be mishandled. Honestly better than that or the basic arena replacement they chose would've been a full-on Beast Mode from Gears of War but PvP where you fight waves that include player-controlled demons.

Would a classic style Doom game work nowadays? Like if they literally just grabbed the originals and added AAA graphics (and maybe changed the maps a bit to accommodate jumping so the young skibidis don't think it's TOO archaic)

if you mod out alot of the gimmicks in eternal you still have a pretty good doom game somewhere

mod out glory kills and punch/bloodpunch just rag dolls demons for health on the last hit

make the chainsaw a weapon to replace the removed pistol as the default weapon still drops ammo on kill without the gloykill animation

remove dash

but now the maps don't play nice so you need new maps that dont use dash

with the idstudio you could make an actual doom game but you would be making it from scratch

What the fuck happened

Bethesda bought id and made a shit game, that as a child you thought was great and now you've grown up you've realised what terrible game devs they actually are.

2016 was always shit.
Doom fell apart when the original team went their separate ways.

2016 without upgrades or cutscenes would still be good so yeah

great gameplay

LOL
cope

and added AAA graphics