“They were actually going to make a cure.”

How does Joel know this? Nothing about the Fireflies indicates they were capable of doing that.

My experience with last of us
As soon as the gane began... I vomited. Bitch ass colors with shit eating grin protagonist while blatantly copying Walking dead? THAT'S WHAT YOU walking dead CULTISTS WANTED! Last of us Is fucking gay, body type 1 & 2, villain looks like a tranny and the gameplay is fucking trash.
REMAKE Walking dead

Reminder that the fireflies were in the right and that everyone who disagrees is just an emotional twink who whines about the gay relationship with her and joel

gane

good morning saar

So many of your organs could be better used right now, instead they're inside the body of a Anon Babble poster. Please donate them to science, don't be gay.

Oh hello Joel. Thanks for bringing Ellie to us. We will now knock you out and do a really bad job at restraining you when you wake up. We will fail to consider that you brought her here all by yourself which means you are both extremely capable and dangerous. You will break free and kill all of us. We're fucking dumb as shit.

Since the Fireflies were literally Antifa I had no option but to side with Joel.

Nothing gay about Joel and Ellie's...relationship.

doesn't try any non-invasive methods to try and make a cure

doesn't try to explore other options

instantly goes for the THIS WILL LITERALLY KILL HER LOL SO IF WE FAIL, WE LOSE OUR ONLY HOPE AT A CURE, POSSIBLY DOOMING HUMANITY FOREVER LMAO. OK, HERE WE GOOOO

hnngh

That and they were rude as fuck to someone that just handed them the cure they were so desperately waiting for. It would have cost them nothing to not act like assholes, instead they decided they'd rather be shivved in the throat.

Almost like it was never planned.
Part 2 my asshole.

Yeah. That only proves my point. Not like they were going to do this entire twist/reveal if they put 0 effort into the section.

no shit, the second game is a complete gaslight to force the situtation to be more morally grey

It wouldn't do nothing. Now they wouldn't need gas masks to go through those spore sections anymore.

So is it a cure or a vaccine? I don't think the dimwits who wrote these games know the difference.

they should turn ellie into a breeding sow and then experiment on the babies

I also believe in child sacrifices.

Even if you assume they successfully make a cure from dissecting Ellie's brain, there is just no chance they could ever manufacture and distribute it to any meaningful degree. Even FEDRA probably couldn't at that point in time, not that they would want to do anything with the cure beyond highly restrict its availability.

The spores probably get a lot more people than anything

BASED
Yeah even in the retcon they still treat him like utter shit lol, I bought part 2 and refunded it after seeing Joel teach Ellie how to play guitar a little, could not bear to give them money just to see joel die

This discussion is pointless.

There isn't a single person on this board who believes the Fireflies were justified.

Yeah...cause they are gonna suck up a sentimental emotional relatipnship instead of seeing the objectively best option for humanity.
All the while pretending to be morally superior which they are not.

Most people in the world of The Last of Us aren't generic 21st century shitfiction "smugglers" who spend all their time crawling through networks of basements so the utility is again very limited.

They were attempting to make a cure and if you read a log it goes into how this is like the fifth person they'd tried and it's been a 100% failure thus far. Ellie believed that with her it would have worked that time. Joel literally doesn't care one way or the other. And the drama is that he went against her wishes and lied to her not whether he was "right".

T-There is a chance that they could fail

Cope reason to doom humanity for a whole further because you faggots are sentimental losers.

This. Cum inside her nonstop and make her pump out children to see whether her offspring also carry her rare immunity mutation. God I love science bros

trust the science!

gas lighting retcon

That isn't there is a chance they could fail, that is there is zero chance they could do anything useful with a cure even if they did discover it. Which on its own seems like slim chances.

Science made you write here to

did abby actually managed to contact the fireflies in santa barbara before she got captured by the rattlers?

Everything that challemges my morally bad decision is a retcon and doesnt county

Elliekeks are manchilds and abbie did nothing wrong.

people still killed by monsters and antifa incompetence

I take it you never played the game? They said they’d never found a case of true immunity before. Ellie was the first.

doomed humanity

Several places you visit show that civilization is starting to rebuild. Joel's brother runs a settlement based around an old hydroelectric plant that they're restoring. The starting enclave doesn't seem to be doing too bad either, other than the occasional firefly protest where they set fire to buildings.

Yeah. We can totally develop and distribute a cure when the best we can do for sample extraction is a dirty as shit hospital

What do you mean you need a very specific kind of clean environment to produce vaccines

Get the fuck out of here

Fuck them all. They all fucking deserved it.

The lab report about Ellie in the hospital says:

Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab

Doesn't that mean that any time she gets cut and bleeds, her blood could sprout killer fungus if it has the right growing conditions?

It has been a decade since the game came out. But I was pretty sure they'd operated on some people already. No I did not remember that Ellie was the first full immunity person.

If you listen to the audio logs in the original release, the doctor talks about have come across several similar cases where the infection never progressed beyond a point. Though Ellie's case was unique in that it stopped super early on and she was basically unphased.

Doesn't matter, Neil Cuckmann said that they WOULD have found a cure if Joel didn't kill them so Joel DID singlehandedly stop the world from being saved.

The first

So we better cut apart her brain instead of trying some less invasive procedures first, amirite? If she is the only immune subject they've ever seen then it makes that decision even stupider.

That is kind of the thing. Humanity was moving on and places like what Joel's brother had joined showed how humanity would survive and persist. It becomes routine to deal with things like the infected because there is a pattern to how they work meanwhile humans are the truly unpredictable element in universe.

I think they were only spore immune, not bite, though I have no idea how these terrible doctors would even know that unless they got them bit to test that.

Then answer my post you coward

anon genuinely believes he would walk away from Omelas

isn't this whole game just a convoluted zionist allegory

This thread is all cope. A small chance would've been better than no chance.

Don't bother he'll just throw that tired old Spock quote at you, which is real easy to say when you've never been on the minority side of that particular equation. It is always easier to demand sacrifices be made when you aren't going to be one of those that has to sacrifice anything.

Unless this cure bounces bullets off my brain, how does it stop the already zombies, gangs, and cults

No, that's NEXT GUY'S new game that hasn't come out yet.

Nobody said it would do any of those. Just prevent people from further getting infected by the zombieshrooms

Not really. The WLD (IDF) come across very badly. They torture prisoners, murder children, and their desire to commit genocide ends up destroying them. Abby turning against them and killing a bunch of them is framed as a positive thing.

The characters say they can make the cure, they can do it. It’s so opaquely obvious the writing, themes, scene direction, everything requires the fireflies to have a chance of success for the ending to mean what it means. You don’t have to like it, I certainly don’t, but these Um Akshully debates about production or how a fantasy illness is treated are contrarian Fancanon and nothing else.

wasnt this a retcon? I remember in the first game it wasnt certain that a cure would be made so she would die just like the other experiments before her

it's just a contrivance to try to force the moral 'dilemma', anyone who tries to engage with the story on its own terms is already wrong

Why do they keep on remaking this game? The story isnt even that good.

It's one thing not to have the resolve to walk away from Omelas

It's another to blame the Omelas child for fighting back one day

the game takes place 20 years after the outbreak
anyone who turns into a zombie at this point deserves it and it's just getting natural selection'd

Correct.

If they could never make a cure, it renders the entire "moral dilemma" they obviously tried to setup moot.

the 2030 remaster remake ultra director's cut 3d release will have everybody being trans, non-binary, brown, gay and disabled full of tattoos and piercings if things keep going this way

This analogy is a little confused since Ellie literally vocally volunteers for sacrifice, but assuming you also mean Joel I don’t blame him at all. I’m just willing to actually engage with the themes that Anon Babbletards are too triggered to humor. Joel chooses his loved one over the entire world, an understandable but selfish decision.

He must've seen all of the Fireflies' super secret ports, roads, warehouses, factories, laboratories power plants, etc.

Ellie volunteered nothing. They just sedated her and were preparing to vivisect her without telling her a thing.

scenario 1

cut open brain

Fireflies is too incompetent to make a cure because they are retards

Ellie is dead

Scenario 2

Kill fireflies

Ellie is saved

Ellie is still alive

I would argue that Joel saving Ellie unironically helped increased the chance of a cure and saving the world as well because theres now a possibility she can find a competent medical team to help develop a cure in the future as opposed to hastily killing her and losing the last known immune person forever.

it made me write here?

the group of incompetent terrorists with a dozen people operating out of a dirty hospital can definitely create a cure from a girl who they didn’t run any tests on or study in any way

There's also the issue of if they thought this, why not try to cooperate with the military, which had way more resources available to them, in the creation of said cure? They were keeping it to themselves so they could use it as leverage in a future power grab.

She volunteered to Joel and to the viewer. You’re absolutely in denial if you think she’d say no after everything else she does through the game. Narratively, she’s not unconscious so the Fireflies can abduct her against her will, it’s so she can’t talk Joel down from his rampage.

She volunteered to Joel and to the viewer

Is that why she had no idea that they were going to kill her?

The characters say they can make the cure, they can do it

David said Ellie could trust her and that he wasn’t going to hurt her.

The moment I laid eyes on Ellie I knew I loved here, that is all.

You’re splitting hairs because you know you’re wrong about the only important part. She wanted to sacrifice herself. That, inarguably, would have been her choice and Joel denied her because he loved her more than he loved the world.

All this moral grandstanding is pointless. They broke the agreement. They didn't pay for the delivery, giving Joel every right to repossess it. By force if necessary

Media literacy is a meme term now but honestly if you can’t tell the difference in intent between the third act pedophile villain and the overarching theme of the entire game you may be retarded.

What she WOULD say if they asked is irrelevant
They didn't. Because they didn't care what the answer would be.

For that matter, is it really fair to ask a child "can you please die so the rest of us can live better lives?"
Is child sacrifice ok if the child consents?

Would you really trust the same group that got decimated by a single 40 year old man with distributing a holy grail like a cure without fucking up and making things worse?

That’s not splitting hairs faggot, it’s saying what the situation is. You’re just saying it’s nitpicking because you’re talking out of your ass. She never says or even is aware that she was going to be killed.

no bro the characters do what they say

this character didn’t

well that’s different because… IT JUST IS FUCK YOU MEDIA LITERACY

You made a shit point. There are characters that don’t do shit they say they will. Tess said she would take Ellie across the country, Marlene said she would give Joel the guns. A character saying something isn’t an immediate indicator it will happen. This is the most retarded cope I have seen so far. TLOUfags are so fucking stupid I swear to god.

Like hell they wouldn't. Immunity or not, breathing in spores is going to cause serious respiratory issues

Yes, this teenager wracked with survivors guilt would have consented to be killed and I am 100% comfortable with accepting that as consent

Unc did NOT pass ethics in medical school. Wonder what else he didn't pass...

You’re right, it’s irrelevant. But what you got wrong is that what does matter isn’t that the fireflies don’t care, it’s that Joel didn’t care.

No, nitpicking would be refusing to examine the stated themes in favor of a cinemasins plot recap.

no argument

So you know you’re wrong. She didn’t know she was going to die, get over it.

Based and binding verbal contract pilled.

The fireflies were painted as incompetent during the entire game, failing to kick fedra out of most places or outright making things even worse
But for sure they would save the world!

repeat my argument but make it retarded

Yep that was pretty retarded anon, good job

So... The whole plotpoint of Ellie being immune gets dropped in the sequel because...?

everything requires the fireflies to have a chance of success for the ending to mean what it means.

chance

CHANCE

Don't care. Game itself proves that Firefags were a bunch of retards who chimped out and got chimped on. Entire game shows them being fuckups

hurr durr Cuckmann said

No!

cant argue what i’ve said

just gets passive aggressive and bitchy

Go back to r/tlou and be a histrionic retard there.

It's not that Joel "didn't care". He just didn't care enough to have Ellie killed for it.
Which makes perfect sense.

If Ellie was truly willing to die during the surgery then she should be willing to let someone put some babies in her to carry on her genes.

Is she selfish?

Erm, chudigga, they would have succeeded against all odds this time because... THEY JUST WOULD OKAY!?

So would you let someone put a gun to your head and pull the trigger? There is a 0.001% chance it will misfire so that means it could definitely happen

Yes? Chance. The fireflies are not good people, but that’s not what anyone is arguing.
Why would I argue what you said when you never engaged with what I said in good faith
Yes, We’re in agreement. It makes perfect sense for his character .

It makes perfect sense for his character

It makes perfect sense for anyone.

Trying to take the ambiguity out of IF the fireflies would have succeeded is another way Dr. Uckmann is a massive retard and is significantly a gayer way to approach that plot point.

Making a vaccine to a FUNGAL infection

This random zebra loving fuck is the only nigga in the world smart enough to do it

They tried really hard to make Abby's supporting cast likeable but I ended up just disliking them even more

cant argue

has to say im not arguing in good faith to cope

This my fellow anons is what is called the degrees of failure. This reddit troon cannot argue so he is just making up copes to save face because his ego was damaged, he will get progressively more pathetic as the thread goes on.

How does Joel know this?

He didn't. Neither did the players. That was the question the ending left us with until Cuckman came and ruined everything.

Not really. Trying to headcanon your way out of a basic trolley problem weakens the impact of Joel’s decision.
He didn’t save Ellie because he’s not sure if they could make a cure.
He saves her because he loves her, and everyone else can burn.
Druckmann said he’d do the same.

There's no reason why there couldn't be vaccines for a fungal infection
Antibodies could work on fungi

They just wanted to retcon Joel being in the wrong to justify the "cycle of violence" theme in Part 2.

Tbh i think it would have worked better if Abby didn't care if the cure would be a thing or not. Similar to how Ellie doesn't care that Joel murdered 20 people and had it coming.

It doesn’t matter if there was a 100% chance it could work, and be distributed, and save the world, Joel would still have killed them all.

He felt he needed to improve their perceived legitimacy because of the thousands of people who forcefully warp narratives into moral binaries when confronted with (an attempt at, shit games) nuance, nameley 90% of this thread.

Okay

In a game that prides itself on trying to depict the harsh realities of the world they've created, trying to reduce that down to a binary choice is retarded and reductive and also you're gay.

Having only played 1 and the MP, Joel was completely justified.
Also the MP was actually pretty good.

This thread is filled with faggots doing exactly what you just accused anon on.

Joel is based and right for killing the bad guys and they couldn’t make the cure anyways and think of the DISTRIBUTION LINES!!

I only played the first game.

Of course I'm going to save my cute daughterwife when I learn they're just going to kill her. Humanity can get fucked, I don't care.

Wasn't their leader a brown woman anyway? No way those losers are gonna do anything.

It doesn’t matter if there was a 100% chance it could work, and be distributed, and save the world, Joel would still have killed them all.

And so would I, assuming they were killing my child and i was strong enough to do it.
And i believe most people would reach similar conclusions.

But think of humanity!

Why won't humanity think of me and my child?

task a man with transporting some girl across the country

he does it

spit in his face

fireflies FAFO

Okay, and? Does that magically make him no longer also a perpetrator of the homosexuality? I think not.

I agree with you anon, I’d do the same. But people need to stop acting like it has anything to do with the fireflies efficacy, its cope

Why not at least have a plan for the cure? Why kick you in the dick and then kill your daughter because lol trust the science?

He described it as a trolley problem, which it is. That’s literally the original moral dilemma with no binary solution. The people he’s arguing against are making it binary.

the child consented to do x so now I get to do x, y, AND z!

mostly peaceful burnings

Anyone who claims that the fireflies could have possibly succeeded is fucking retarded. But they could not be trusted withthe cure even if they could succeed. If they truly were the last chance for humanity, then humanity deserves extinction.

ez i don't like omelattes

Then why reply to me when I say that Dr. Uckmann tried to make it binary and that was gay. Literally what was the point? Just to run his mouth like an uppity nigger? (Don't answer that, rhetorical question)

Again, you’re missing the point (because you’re a retard). It’s entirely possible the Fireflies could’ve make a cure. But that’s completely immaterial to Joel’s decision. What matters is that he thinks they could, and he saves Ellie anyway. Otherwise his choice is meaningless and uninteresting.

Cuz it’s a poorly written game I guess. But that doesn’t make the themes opaque to me, and they shouldn’t be to you either.

I would have done the same as joel
But the entire trolley problem falls apart if you pile up the facts that, at the end of the day, fireflies were mouthbreathing retards

sorry but I'm not entrusting the cure to a bunch of incompetent antifa fags whose only way of getting attention is bombing buildings

*couldn’t

cure

How the fuck you gonna cure a nigga with mushrooms growing out his damn eyeballs

They would have never given the cure to feds or other groups. Too much splintered hostile factions to distribute a cure properly.
This continues in Part 2, no way the WLF would have shared that shit.

The problem with all of this is that the moral quandary doesn't rely on a chance, it actually relies on 100% effective rate, because the game only addresses "You lose the cure" vs "You lose your daughter-fu". It never addresses the elephant in the room that "There are dozens of red flags and indicators both in-game and out-of-game to indicate that they actually have an incredibly low chance of any real success at all in the first place that make the entire endeavor far too risky to even realistically consider."

Whether or not the word-of-god comes down and says "Oh yeah, they 100% would have succeeded" is actually completely irrelevant to anything. It's purely what Joel would have believed in-game and what the player would have believed out-of-game before the events, and it's more than reasonable to assume they would have believed the fireflies were lying as there is nothing to corroborate the idea that they weren't.

Which makes it EVEN GAYER that he felt the need to try and make it a cartoony situation devoid of nuance. Jesus christ you are a worthless cock sucker.

It's not poorly written, it was very deliberate that Joel learned of the situation and made a choice. The fireflies are intentionally written as retards hellbent on finding a cure no matter the cost to show how far they and humanity have fallen.
What I'm saying is justification for why Jowl made the right choice, and why Fuckyoumann is an idiot for treating it like Ellie would be completely fine dying without a choice.

Yeah, I'd chimp out too desu

The game doesn’t address it because it never crosses Joel’s mind, and that’s the entire point. Joel would have killed them all if there was a 300% chance of success

entirely possible

lmao

cure

There is absolutely no plausible way to make a "cure" out of this. A vaccine that perhaps prevents it in the first place maybe, but that shit isn't a "cure".

If he knew they were just going to take samples and decide on something, he'd probably set up camp nearby and loiter around looking for updates every day. Unfortunately, the fireflies are inept as hell, so every situation ends in death, yeah.

The game doesn’t address it because it never crosses Joel’s mind

Yeah, and that's bad writing, because there are tons and tons of signs that are available to indicate this wouldn't work from player and character perspective while almost zero signs it would have worked, and the game fails to address any of it.

They didn't need to hedge the bets for the fireflies to make that apperant. That becomes apperant when he fucking executes Marline because "you'd just come after her". Saying the fireflies would have 100% succeeded just cheapens the world and (by your own admission) doesn't actually change anything about Joel's choice

You’re writing Fancanon. Joel spends the whole game killing people who endanger Ellie. It was never gonna be any different.

There is nothing in the text that suggest the fireflies couldn't make a vaccine. It's been 20 years and they've been working on it the entire time.

There’s no way Ellie could’ve walked around the way she did without getting her hole used several times

so every situation ends in death, yeah.

Read nigga, read. But he's not some maniac, he believed in a chance, not that a needle in the arm would warrant clearing out the hospital.

If you got what you wanted and Joel made an informed, moral choice that happened to be a mass murder it would deflate the entire meaning of the game. Joel is a violent person who loves his daughter, and he’d keep her safe no matter how many people he hurts to do it, even when she wishes he wouldn’t.

even worse, fireflys were portrayed as downright controlling and psychotic, imagine if they were the sole distributors capable of bending anyone around them to their will

working on it the entire time.

And all that research led to "Let's just cut this little girl's head open and see what we find!"?

I did read, it’s Fancanon. Joel would never camp, or wait or whatever because he doesn’t care what the odds are. As son and he understood what harvesting a cure meant they were doomed.

Refresh my memory because I haven't played the first game in years. But didn't the fireflies take over a city, then were such irredeemable assholes to the population they "liberated" that the people turned on them and lynched them all?

moral choice that happened to be a mass murder it would deflate the entire meaning of the game.

No actually, just the opposite. Joel mass-murdering incompetent would-be murderers is just really par for the course of the rest of the game, and the finale loses any significance. It only has meaning when he's choosing to sacrifice the world for this girl as a surrogate replacement for his daughter, because it means he's willing to sacrifice the entire world for her safety.

But that all loses anything meaningful if killing them is just objectively the right choice from character and audience perspective.

20 years of nothing

That's actually the part that convinces me they couldn't do it.

fireflys were portrayed as downright controlling and psychotic

Because the people they were dealing with were equally psychotic FEDRA fascists, literal cannibals, and loose cannon smugglers like Joel who coincidently ended up murdering them so in the end it was justified.

All that killing just to survive, and finally the killing is justified

I don't want to kms so my organs could be used for God knows what thus I'm morally wrong

You're morally retarded lmao

Nigger you agree with me. Read again.

I reread. I don't think I do. I 'm a little confused why you think we're saying the same thing.

We at least seem to agree that Joel does what he does because he loves Ellie, not because he doesn’t trust their fucking supply lines, which is more than I can say for 3/4 the thread.

I see you seem to think that it would be more in line with the rest of the game if it was just a big hero shootout? I disagree. I think one of the few things the game does very well is show Joel doing horrible things in morally acceptable circumstances, so that when the switch flips and he’s doing it under morally questionable circumstances it makes you reflect. I think that was the whole point.

The most bizarre part is that at no point does anyone go "you know, maybe we shouldn't kill this little girl as the FIRST option" to the doctor.
Like, they try really hard to make Joel seem like he did something awful for not willingly getting kicked out without his gear to certain death and not willingly letting them kill Ellie.
But somehow not at any fucking moment in the sequel is it even questioned that the doctor father guy explicitly wanted to kill Ellie as the first thing he tries, he's portrayed as an absolute fucking saint.
Even if you argue "ah, it's from Abby's perspective clearly she has rose tinted view of her father" it does not fucking work when any hospital flashback even from Joel's perspective at the very beginning shows it the exact same way, everything pristine and Joel as a murder machine that killed everyone for no reason.

It's fucking ridiculous Druckmann seriously expects us to think Joel is in the wrong when he was scammed by the Fireflies after doing 10 times what he promised, then he was being escorted outside at a gunpoint without any of his stuff so they were essentially trying to kill him, but then expects us to love a man who tried to murder a little girl for no real reason, before doing any real tests, without any actual hurry.

It's fucking ridiculous Druckmann seriously expects us to think Joel is in the wrong

He doesn’t. He has repeatedly said that he would have done the same thing, and agrees with Joel’s decision.

Isn't that a recent development from Druckmann?

I regret playing this game I don't even know why I bought TLoU2. Sunk cost fallacy perhaps

The doctor isn't a saint for wanting to crack open Ellie at the first mention of her being immune, Marlene actually grills him for it saying what if it was Abby who was immune and he goes silent. He is a hypocrite, you just have to read between the lines.

Trust the group of idiots that think they only need to put a whole brain into a blender to somehow make a vaccine

Because what are biopsies amirite

Joel was 100% justified in TLOU1, and TLOU2 turned him into a victim for doing the right thing.

That horse ride

Druckmann was getting high off huffing his own farts

Not really. Framing a character’s choice as being morally complex or worth examining isn’t an indictment of said character or said choice. I hate to bring up “media literacy”, but the fact that gamers need characters to be either clear cut villains or heroes really does indicate the limits of the medium. Ebert was right; not because games can’t be art, but because gamers are too retarded to appreciate games that have anything interesting to say.

They were literally a terrorist group in the first game. They only wanted the potential "cure" for the power it would give them.
Anyone who thinks they were selfless or completely in the right with all the shit they did is an idiot, and that includes Cuckmann.

it's a retcon so they could make a revenge bad story.

Is a minor convenience really worth the price of a life?

I think one of the few things the game does very well is show Joel doing horrible things in morally acceptable circumstances, so that when the switch flips and he’s doing it under morally questionable circumstances it makes you reflect. I think that was the whole point.

I agree with this and I can see why you think we were saying the same thing.

What I'm getting at with this is that the game after the events ACTS like this is what has happened, but before and during the events the game is actually making the situation rather morally acceptable like all the other events in the game, so it creates that disconnect when Joel starts acting guilty and suspicious, and the player is thinking "Wait, no, he has tons of evidence and reason to justify these actions. Joel what are you talking about?" That's why it's bad writing. It's trying to make a point, and the story acts like it's making a point, but it did a hilariously poor job in actually demonstrating and supporting that point.

where

its by no means limited to games. people, generally are retarded. though more spefically, this "Joel is based" kill em all rhetoric where they talk about the Fireflies supply lines and sanitation protocol as if it fucing matters is of the Cinemasins school, IE plot is a problem to be solved instead of a narrative to engage with.

then we actually are in full agreement. overdoing the Fireflies dickery poisoned the well and led to absolutely retarded discussion. it makes me understand why Druckman tried to walk it back in part 2 with the clean lab and ETC but it was too late.

There are journals that mention other immune that they tried to make a cure with and failed. Sure Ellie could be the time that they finally succeed, but then what? They would have the cure and use it to grab more power and influence and they were already assholes. It's gambling on a maybe and the payout is empowering a group of dickheads.

Weren’t the wolves more antifa than the fireflies? I lived in Portland and all antifa does is destroy. Seems more appropriate

Yeah, people are stupid, and that includes you two. The first game had you think about these ideas in an unbiased and very open-ended way. It was up to the players interpretation and beliefs.
The second game retconned everything to make Joel look like he was clearly in the wrong and did an evil thing, which from one interpretation is just bullshit. You can't see/understand both sides of the argument, yet act as if you're intellectually superior. Laughable.

no one in this thread has stated that joel is evil. i certainly don't think he is. you're battling a strawman you invented then got angry about.

The only way it makes sense to go straight to vivisection is if you believe the fungus is still alive in Ellie's brain but is defective and benign to the host but wards off new infection from normal spores. Therefore you could probably cultivate a culture of this version of the fungus and turn it into a vaccine of sorts. Things like that do happen in the real world, viruses especially. The rapid mutation of viruses tends to create benign variants and it does happen that it then lives alongside the host doing no or minimal harm while still releasing the "host already infected" marker that keeps other infections from establishing themselves.
I don't remember the game saying any of this, but it's what sprang to mind when I thought how their plan might work. If however Druckster's thinking was "post-apocalypse doctors will reverse engineer how Ellie's brain halted infection by science" then he's a huge idiot to have left a much more believable explanation on the table.

I agree that the second game and now the show give good reasons why stuff like this should be a one banger and don't make it a sequel cash grab. It's like blade runner. If they just left it with the one movie that would've been fine.

The point of the """cure""" is survival, and the infection already did its maximum damage to the world. So the "chance" of helping in that aspect is a big, fat, guaranteed, undeniable ZILCH.

TLOU2 is what is known as an idiot plot. A plot where everyone involved is an idiot including cuckman. Nothing makes sense when you actually examine or think about it and it makes the events of the previous game worse retroactively.

All this arguing on if a vaccine can prevent a fungus infection when in reality, we already know that's not possible. You need a chemical for that, and I don't think it's a good idea to run fungicide on your brain.

The Wolves destroy to survive and because they are assholes.
The Fireflies destroy because they hate FEDRA for being fascist or something.

Yeah Marlene grills him about it but not because he does it as the first fucking option, just that he wants to kill her.
That's the part of the plot that doesn't make any sense, there's no reason to kill Ellie before doing any other tests and in fact it just hurts the chances of vaccine.
That's what pisses me off, the moral conflict with the doctor is "well she has to die to extract the fungus" but at no point do they comment on the fact he's basically speedrunning this shit.
The only complaints he receives are that he's making a tough decision like some martyr, no one calls him out on being an incompetent monster.

Ganesh deez nuts xD

Yeah sure cuck there's a small chance you'll find another immune person to cut up in the meantime i'm shooting up this hospital

Why didn't they fucking attempted to make a baby to see if it would be immunised too?

Also btw we HAVE to do the operation right NOW, we can’t do the ethical thing and let her decide + give Joel a chance to say goodbye (completely avoiding him slaughtering us) we HAVE to cut her open NOW!

lmao did they actually used the actress from their new game

This. Why the fuck did Ellie turn into a dyke if she was willing to give her life for the humanity's sake?

YOU DON'T GET THE POINT! THE POINT IS THAT HUMANS DON'T DESERVE IT AND SHOULD RATHER SUFFER SO JOEL CAN HAVE HIS ONE MOMENT WITH HIS SURROGATE DAUGHTER!!

ENJOY MY LEFTY RANT: I HATE HUMANITY!!!!!

Women are.... LE STRONG AND INDEPENDENT: The Video Game Series

Who plays this goyslop?

your mom not abandoning you is proof that strong women exist

How does Joel know this

I think he was told this about 15 times

humanity really isnt worth saving at this point however.

Fireflies just fought the feds due to their rights being taken away, Wolves seem to be far more hostile. It's almost outright stated the scars were a crazy yet peaceful cult and the wolves fought them to take more of Seattle for themselves.

Nothing about the Fireflies indicates they were capable of doing that.

The data logs and things you find going TO the operating room literally confirms they aren't capable of doing that.

Anon, there's a tiny chance that if you paypal me all your life savings I'll manage to develop a cure for cancer with it.
It's worth it, right? Now send me the money.

I thought this was really funny desu

That's the only way it would have ever worked by the way. Her immunization is genetic and you can't vaccinate a fungus.

when they're just a bunch of lgbt running around? sure

took the entire world in collaboration 3 years to find a Covid vaccine with all the funding and tech at their disposal

we're to believe the Fireflies coud make a cure in the middle of an apocolypse in a hospital powered by back up generators

a virus that killed 0.01% of the people it infected took 3 years, the cordeceps kills 100% of people it infected and had a latency period long enough to remain undetected until the entire population had it.

I can't even cure my scalp fungus I've tried everything

Debating whether Joel was right or not is pointless. Introducing a vaccine angle in a world with no established vector to deliver it or even develop it is typical of a video game director biting off more than he can chew.

I wonder when the TV audience is going to call this shit retarded for what it is.

lets le kill the only immune person

retarded plot. Why not force her to have several children first?

clean environments were hard to do on 6th gen consoles,

you are missing the real problem! no one left alive would want to take the fireflies cure because it would kill them within 2 weeks anyway or it may have tracking tech in it

earth already completely taken over with fungi creatures etc

who fuck needs a cure when they could of made part two with Joel and ellie bounty hunting the mutated fungi making a home base to take back earth not the shit show that was revenge bad.