Why did public consensus on this change so fast...

RPG starvation. E33 came out and reminded everyone

People sucked it off hard based on some superficial political bias

Any glimmers of hope in its scenario and writing were drowned in metric tons of anime power of friendship bullshittery to attract the Persona audience. I doubt any of the journos jerking off its story actually finished the stupid thing. Still better than Persona because Press Turn > 1 More

No, it is one of the best JRPGs of all time, and it's better than any Persona game. Contrarians just have to contrarian.

I was one of those people who's opinion changed pretty hard on it

At least for me, I think the main reason was the really fun combat and the promise of it's systems, but then when I think back on it, everything about the game just feels really half baked

Like I'll give you an example of something that really bothered me. So the game has it's Not Persona job system right? I thought it was very cool initially how essentially every character can be a wild card and fit into any job. And since you can equip skills from other jobs, you can have a character dip into one job just to get a particular skill to help synergize with a different job. It was like taking the Persona system but adding a ton of extra build variety for every single character
But the only issue is that, just like Persona, every character has an Ultimate tier job for their starting classes that they can only get by hard focusing on their primary jobs throughout the game. Sure you COULD build Strohl as a mage if you wanted to, but why the fuck would you ever do that when A) his stats suck for it and B) I'd be shooting myself in the foot by not going down his main path?
It completely ruins the whole premise of the job system and basically makes the whole thing just a spicy version of what Persona already has with every character sticking to their main path

And I hate to be one of those guys, but Expedition 33 really did make me realize some other ways that Metaphor was lacking. Like Metaphor was in development for half a decade at least, how the FUCK do they only have like 2 battle themes. You're telling me some random AA French studio can make an 8 hour soundtrack for their first ever game with every dungeon having multiple battle themes, and fucking Atlus can only make 2 themes? No that's just shit and they dropped the ball

because Atlus' fans are a loud bunch, and the weight of journo's opinions wont last long when most of them didn't even finish the game

ugly art style, ugly and boring characters, half baked mediocre combat, bad story. people just saw atlus and creamed their pants. ten years from now it will be forgotten and obscure.

I'm towards the end of the game and holy fuck the game really shits itself after You give the fake lance to Louis

Whoever the fuck wrote the quadruple plot twist is a fucking hack and ruined the entire setup and world building, its so sad the game was doing so well.

Now the game feels empty I'm just farming dungeons and talking to bonds not really hyped for the duel Louis setup

The ultimate versions of Jobs are neither optimal nor required. Like any jobs game the appeal is that you can beat the game with whatever jobs you want. Second of all if what you're interested is combat and build variety why not just play SMT VV which completely blows away any other JRPG in that department, Metaphor is more complex than Persona but it's still watered down SMT. All three aforentioned games are light years better than E33.

Speaking of the Royal Archetypes, they only unlock on the penultimate dungeon in the final month of the game. You have like 10 hours to actually use them.

Aggressive astroturfing by E33 shills.

???
Who said that? It is a goty, regarded as one hell of a rpg, not the best but an amazing one, you're just spreading misinformation for the sake of ragebaiting people. Shame on you

not the fp

losing your touch gramps

Astro Bot is for faggots and only retards who exclusively play games on PS praised it. “OMG it’s a real game!” Ponies really forgot Sony USED to make those.

Nah, it's as good as Mario Galaxy, which is the best of the 3D Marios.

Anon Babble's best games

top 1s are all hated by Anon Babbletards.

what?

Consensus didn't change. It doesn't have romance, so it couldn't sustain the years of minimum-level discussion that persona normally garners through waifu posting and waifu wars.

It went from being regarded as one of the best JRPGs of all time to being seen as just an inferior version of Persona without any of the soul or je ne sais quoi

That's what it always was, that's what Anon Babble said it was too but Anon Babble was disregarded as being "Salty chuds" upset at the new wave of Woke in Japanese gaming.

This is, in fact, how all gaming is now, gay pieces of shit get free passes to be pieces of shit, treated as royal gold, purely because people like pic related write articles about how it 'owns the chuds'. Only years later after these journalists move on do people realize that they were full of shit/it's allowed to call them full of shit without catching a ban on 99% of the internet.

trvke.

Like Metaphor was in development for half a decade at least, how the FUCK do they only have like 2 battle themes. You're telling me some random AA French studio can make an 8 hour soundtrack for their first ever game with every dungeon having multiple battle themes, and fucking Atlus can only make 2 themes? No that's just shit and they dropped the ball

That's wildly entitled to me. You're retroactively getting mad at a game because they only used two battle themes when some other game chose to use more? That's mentally-ill.

holy this

Meanwhile Anon Babble immediately recognizes E33 as a masterpiece.

E33 dropped and it proved Metaphor was just mid all along.

Tried to be a JRPG with deep team building

No incentive to do anything but the same builds

Physical builds are all the same

By the time magic builds can become interesting you are already at the end of the game

Tried to be a JRPG about building bonds

No romance

dialogue options matter less than any other Atlus game

Tried to have a cool tournament plot device

99% of the participants are non-important

The plot tries to take you away from the tournament as much as possible until they just say fuck it and ditch it to rush to the end of the game

The only hype moment on the game is when you unironically actively participate in the tournament

Heavily advertised the feeling of a grand adventure and how cool it felt that you traveled along with your companions and that you will have to plan your days to travel and do quests

Fast travel is introduced, most dungeons are 1-2 days to travel to

Removed all worries about managing your days or having to worry about having to backtrack

neither game's praise were organic

Humiliated by E33.

yeah it just feels like...they took 8 years to make this? seriously?

To me it feels like someone on the business side wanted them to play safe or they are actually hacks that can't think of anything but persona with a twist.

no it was in development since 2019 after catherine full body.
the fact that hashino made 90% new team and it feels and plays like persona compared to persona 3 reload (p5r team) is crazy

Same. It was obviously astroturfed by shills at the time.

Fpbp
Kill yourself you're what's wrong with jrpgs

Anon Babble sees literally nothing as organic nowadays. Fags tried to claim that Beyond Citadel and Elin, two Nip games made by indie devs working out of their home who don't even speak English or interact directly with their overseas fans, had active targeted shill campaigns.

Project ReFantasy was in development for a decade, and all we got in the end was a reskin of P5. Atlus is no longer the cutting edge, innovative company they once were. Modern Atlus exists to sell unfinished $70 PS3 games with Capcom levels of on-disc mirotransactions.

I hope the re-release of Metaphor is like SMTV and they deviate the plot from the beginning.

I haven't even tried the game yet because there is no definitive version yet.
Have they been waiting for Switch2 to announce it?

Atlus games have always been overpriced. P3R and SMTVV are not worth their price tag either. When they're on sale the discounts are stingy too. I just checked and P5R has never gotten more than a 60% off and probably never will. I don't care if it only released on steam in 2022, that's a decade old game and I'm not paying more than 10 dollars for it you greedy fucks.

reskin of P5

if only it was medieval fantasy persona it wouldn't have been as bad.

Because woke bullshit writing ages terribly.

If you can sense the hand of the writer, then the story is doomed to be slop.

Only tendies vote in those polls. Who else would care?

the gameplay (combat & persona system) was miles ahead of the usual persona slop but the story was so so bad. only reason i didn't quit was cause i enjoyed the fights.

P5, P4, and P3 were woke too.
All SMT games aren't christian friendly so they are woke too.

Atlus games have always been overpriced.

Only recently. P3R and SMTVV are indeed not worth the asking price, but that does not, inductively, means that every single Atlus game ever released has never been worth the price. P4G is like $20, which is a fitting price.

I've heard this game's story sucks but I'm too lazy to watch a recap video on yt, can someone tl;dr it for me?
I mean just by looking at screenshots I can already sense it's the most generic fantasy jrpg shit, I swear to god if they just recycled the shitty "twists" from another 15 year old game of theirs I'm going to lose my mind.

fucking retard
every other Atlus has had more than 2 fight themes
how the fuck is that entitlement?

Persona games will always be vilified and rejected by the woke crowd until they have same sex romance and female protagonists

It was confirmed mid and forgettable the moment they removed romances.

i think having no romance killed the longevity of this game's discussion on Anon Babble, its still popular with more reddit-oriented audiences. But since theres no waifufaggotry, theres just no need to discuss it further.

Your boyfriend got cursed and is bed ridden, after years of not understanding how to lift the curse your group that is loyal to your boyfriend who is the prince decided the best way to fix it is to kill the caster which is a guy that just likes wars and wants to cull the weak, but you cannot kill it because your boyfriends dad passed away and now his magic is doing real time voting and anyone popular enough with the people gets anti-assassination magic casted on them, which gets one of the leaders of your rebel group killed in broad daylight, most people are retarded and think the dude that wants to kill 99% of the people is fit to be king for no reason. After joining a random tournament that gets ditched and didn't matter at all at the end you kill the baddy, but then the curse isn't lifted so you reason that the church leader is the bad guy that cursed the prince, but then he dies because the original bad guy faked his death, so you think you were right but then some random girl that only appeared 3 times for a total of 5 minutes in the last 50 hours is actually the one that casted the curse, she then kills herself and you go kill lucifer

I never got the hype around it when it released. It's not a bad game, but it's nothing really new. It's another Atlus game without the waifus and a fantasy setting. The protagonist is boring and none of the side characters are worth remembering. The game is way too long for what it is, I don't think anyone actually finished it (I didn't).

That's how fandom types are like nowadays.
You saw the same flip when Soul Hackers 2 and P3 Reload came out.
nu-Atlus fans are overzealous shrimp brains. They'll go from screaming "Peak!" to never bringing up the said "peak" ever again.

The marketing campaign stopped

no romance is only one symptom to a greater diagnosis

Adachi will forever have discussions about him, there is literally nothing to talk about Louis as the game kills off any intrigue he could have had.

Only shills/bots post in those spam threads

The first half of the game is a solid basis for the foundation of a good game which the second half fumbles hard. The problems with the job system, the writing, the characters, the lack of music diversity, the pacing, it all comes to a head and by the time you complete it, you can't help but just look back at the rest of the game as half baked and squandering it's potential. I honestly felt like the game had nothing worthwhile to say in the end. Louis was another boring chaosfag in the end, and they leave the ending open ended in case they want to make a sequel down the line. It felt empty, shallow, and lacking in conviction in the end, which is quite funny for a game that is attempting to appear political in nature.

why does “general opinion” of [corporate product] suddenly change several months after it’s released

Because paid astroturf is the primary form of marketing and said marketing campaigns don’t last very long, as even though jeets cost nothing, no one is going to pay them to shill something forever. When various game awards start happening you’ll see the marketing start up again.

I'm talking about normal player optimal here, not meta game optimal for a single player RPG. I'm sure there's some cheese setup or strats that people have figured about, but from my perspective playing through the game I see more character get a suped up Ultimate version of their class, of course that is going to feel like what I should go towards
As for

Why Not just play SMT

I'm not really into SMT's demonology goobldygook with little emphasis on plot. I don't see why it has to be an either or situation here. Why not give Metaphor, a game with a setting and plot I enjoy more than SMT a better fleshed out job system? Just cause SMT exists isn't a valid excuse
And you're entitled to your own opinion but I enjoyed Expedition 33 better than both P5 and Metaphor. Saying they're "lightyears" better is certainly off base

To even get to the Royal Archetypes you have to have been working on their Primary classes throughout the game. It's not something you can just suddenly dip your toes into. By the time I even unlocked them most of my characters had barely dipped into any other classes than the ones the Royal Archetypes required because that's what it took to get their normal unlocked jobs anyway

Entitled

Do you even know what that word means? It's not entitled to want a JRPG to have more than 2 battle tracks. It bothered me back then too but I gave Atlus the benefit of the doubt that idk maybe getting an ochestra or some shit is difficult and they could only manage 2 tracks. But now that I've seen some random French studio do it I realize that was retard and of course I should hold one of the premier JRPG developers to a higher standard

so if metaphor had an Elliot Rodger antagonist or something, it would still be relevant? Fujos are the bane of my existence.

That sounds super retarded. Does the MC show a modicum of personality at some point in the game or does he have the same dead fish stare for 50 hours?

Come to think of it, every time Atlus has tried to go for a fantasy setting they have churned out mediocrity.

how the fuck is that entitlement?

Because you're condemning a bowl of soup for the choice of music in the restaurant. It's retarded and undermines the game itself, which is the important thing.

It's not entitled to want a JRPG to have more than 2 battle tracks.

It literally is. The music has nothing to do with the game, and it's nonsense to even bring it up.

because it always was Persona without a reason to exist
the "public consensus" was just a bunch of paid shillbots

yes the lack of musical variety undermines the game itself I'm glad you're getting it

yes the lack of musical variety undermines the game itself I'm glad you're getting it

I'm glad you demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension, but I was referring to the complaint trying to undermine the game, not the idea that a lack of music deteriorates the quality of the game.

Every JRPG shits on religion, that doesn't make them woke.

Why can't leftists comprehend atheists who do not align with them politically?

Bingo the left WANTS to like them, but deep down they know Japs don't respect them.

Unironically 2deep4u

by the end metaphor was pretty grounded on its stance about religion with its equivalence to the catholic church being redeemed in the endgame

definition of ad hominem is wrong

definition of contradiction is wrong

definition of counterargument is wrong

your boyfriend

die fujo

Still my favourite game of the generation so far

I still won't buy it until the Atlus cashgrab """remaster""" comes out in the next few years. Until then, I refuse to let this DEI shit with 'tolerance' and some jew elfenBURG take up any of my mental space.

Does anyone else feel like Will and the party just come off kinda stale and soulless, lacking any real dynamic, and that is why the game hasn’t really connected with people?

I honestly think characters are the heart and soul of any JRPG because they can make or break the whole thing. But the main character in Metaphor is just a boring, one note goody two shoes and he is not even good looking. It is kinda funny to enter into multiple Metaphor threads and barely see anyone even mention him.

ill buy metaphor integrade on switch 2. IF its not a stupid game key card

I'm not even against the game's politics but I'm entirely convinced that the journo reviews were influenced by it.
It was like they were afraid of being negative on a game that preaches such modern values even though the game forgets about it halfway through.

Then again I'm convinced that most of them didn't even beat the game.
That final boss was absolute CBT and a tanky mess even on easier difficulties that I'm convinced that if they actually fought him that it should be something of note.

yeah the game is pretty chud-coded if you actually finish it and realize the TRUE ambitions of louis

I thought it was pretty great, what's wrong with it?

It had tons of soul, my favorite game of 2024. In general I am glad that turnbased games have such a renaissance.

BECAUSE YOU ARE GULLIBLE LITTLE NPC BRAINWASHED RETARDS WITH NO CRITICAL THINKING

I WAS SAYING THIS SINCE DAY 1
YOU ARE ALL BIASED AND RETARDS

I'll argue that at least P5R feels worth the price. P3R and SMTVV are such poor value that it feels like a scam.
And I feel insane when people can't see that P3R is a visual downgrade from P5R.

P4G is like $20

They are eternally kicking themselves for giving players great value.

The story

The enemy variety

The dungeon quality and variety

Dogshit social links (Worse than P3 somehow)

Horrible visuals

It's impressive if you can't agree with anything I listed.

this theme was awesome actually youtu.be/sM4V7jY28-Q

the story was awesome actually and the social links were awesome actually and the visuals were awesome actually

Over half of the games in the top 10 aren't even available on Switch.

Losing to Joker in a bland protagonist competition is impressive.

Another common complaint is that they want a Persona game set in college because they're sick of the high school setting.
There was a leak recently that said P6 takes place in an "art school" (whatever that means in Japan) so you have a mix of last year high schoolers and college aged students in your party. Sounds fake but that's as far as I expect Atlus to change things up after making the same game for 25 years.

looks like a PS3 game

thats why i like the visuals so much

Anon left out the twist that the prince gets murdered after you fix the curse, and its revealed you are the prince's fantasy, and you then awaken and take the form of the true prince, then go on to face off against the big bad
Also the protagonist has more personality than Atlus protags usually do, and actually talks a bit beyond just the dialogue options.

VV > Metaphor >>>>>>>> Deload

Video games don't need to go beyond PS3 graphics.

It was a good game for a while, but E33 has showed how much better it could have been. Now no one can look back at it and think its good, just decent.

What public consensus?
Shills are not the public consensus, the same thing is already happening with E33, learn to understand what is FOTM and what isn't, falling for propaganda like this is embarassing.

kek I was joking when I asked if Refantazio had the same MC twist as Radiant Historia, jesus fucking christ

Public consensus didn't change at all. Its a single player RPG, you play through it once and then maybe revisit it in 5+ years.
Its still a fantastic game and easily the best of 2024.

Those are botted contest from Google fake accounts where you use VPN and google survey free account to spam votes

The one who post this image is a dishonest retard who should either kill himself and everyone who replied to his image is an actual subhuman low iq ape

Because reviewers liked it because they liked the political themes and early discussion of any hew game is always poisoned by what the retards with review copies had to say.

masterpieces like Astro Bot

Bait used to be believable

It's just ok. It is better than Persona 5 at least, the people who like it only like the first couple dungeons and maybe some of Royal's new content. What other JRPGs was it even competing with at the time?

FFVII rebirth, the better game.

le church is GOOD with BAD PEOPLE in it

when you oust the bad people the guys bending to their will can perform the good deeds the church was meant to

your party of mostly adults go kill satan who's goal was corrupting the souls of people

shouldn't you like this game??

Metaphor is at the very least on par with FFVII, so by proxy its a thousand times better than demake and unbirth.

Metaphor is at the very least on par with FFVII

Not even close. Metaphor is pretty mediocre.

Nah, its pretty great. Would've been a 10/10 of the ending didn't feel rushed, but as it is, its definitely a 9/10.

7/10 feels more appropiate.

I could meet you at 8/10, in which case, its on par with FFVII.

Metaphor is at the very least on par with FFVII

DOOM Eternal

Fine pick

SMTV

Dread should've won, but SMTVV should've won 2024

Elden Ring

SoP should've won

ToTK

Almost every other game there would be a better fit

Metaphor

See SMTV

8/10 is more like "good game with flaws"
7/10 is "not outright terrible, but mediocre"
so 7/10 feels appropiate

Mediocre is 5/10, which is still above the abortion they turned FFVII into.

FFVII remake and rebirth actually have ambition and does stuff well, i wish i could say the same about metaphor.

Metaphor is at the very least on par with FFVII

holy kek

Demake and unbirth are the worst video games released in the past two decades, and there will not be a bigger failure of a game within my lifetime.

What a weird take. The soundtrack is part of the games overall experience. Using your shitty food analogy, if a restaurant was blasting dogshit garage rock while you're trying to eat that would 100% effect your dining experience. You seem to by hyper focused on raw gameplay and nothing else.

another slow as dogshit thread seething about this game when it's supposedly dead buried and forgotten

This the 7th one in 2 weeks

the people who like it only like the first couple dungeons and maybe some of Royal's new content.

This is even more delusional than your metaphor take lmao

Using your shitty food analogy, if a restaurant was blasting dogshit garage rock while you're trying to eat that would 100% effect your dining experience.

If i take the food out to go, then the music should no longer affect how delicious the food is, you blithering fool.

Oh yeah, I had their soup at my house while listening to some classical, but the restaurant blared emo grunge at full volume, so that post-actively made my soup taste like garbage. Couldn't taste it.

P5 and 3 are not worth 60$ they're 25 at most with DLC

SMT VV has multiple playthroughs at least and a NG+ where demons are all capped at 150 there's 0 reason to reply persona games ever

2023 was such a good year they don’t even have LaD Gaiden on it

I get that this post is pure hyperbole but metaphor had the smallest amount of dlc any atlus games has had since they started introducing it

You're batshit insane if you actually believe any of what you just wrote

At that point I guess you can just mute your T.V. and listen to any kind of music you want while playing. Soundtrack is apparently pointless and offers nothing to Anon over here.

lol same. Not getting bamboozled into buying the same game twice at full price ever again.

if I take the food to go

What the fuck is the video game experience equivalent to "taking the food to go" retard? Muting the game completely and pretending you're deaf the whole playthrough is the only valid comparison and I'm guessing you didn't play it that way.

It has Persona's shitty calendar system that fills the game with dead air but it doesn't let me pretend to be a japanese highschooler. I'd rather play SMT.

Fell off a cliff after Martira, story and mechanics-wise. Really boring job system too.

Nope

Metaphor is a game with an actual narrative and themes that it develops trough it (the impact collective anxiety has on the political landscape, the necessity of fantasy in society), while E33 is mystery box bullshit with an intriguing premise that becomes progressively less interesting the more you learn about, it's basically like LOST.

Any criticism you have of Rebirth is moot because Remake shipped and digitally sold 7 million copies when you combine both the original and intergrade versions and include free PS+ downloads as sales.

Nta but persona games have no replay value. Romancing a different waifu or going the harem route in a second playthrough changes nothing about the story so you might as well just watch the cutscenes on youtube because that's not worth repeating hindreds of hours of the same shit. The "bad" ending in P3 is a glorified game over.

Sorry I'm not some faggot larper who needs to self insert into a persona game to pretend to have friends? Social links are the weakest and most pointless part of the games they offer 0 replayability. The combat and dungeons in p3-5 are absolute dogshit the games are a total steamroll with nothing to offer after you finish the game give me any counter point instead of being a retarded nigger

Yup.

Metaphor is a game with an actual narrative and themes that it develops trough it

lol
LMAO

I had a good time, enjoyed talking about it and loving my waifu and then simply decided to move on
Not every game is gonna end up becoming sometimes entire thing, anon

Junah and Haru are both at least a Norwood 3

Stop being such an overly exaggerated drama queen you schizo frekazoid. Demake and unbirth are actually really amazing games.

(me)
Social link rewards, gear, dungeon design, activities in each time period; all followed the same boring, cookie cutter progression.
Even dragon quest throws curveballs and extra mechanics throughout your journey.

Its an atlus game their protagonist are not allowed to be human. We cannot let anonkun not self insert as him

I accept your concession

You don't get the luxury of being talked to like a human until you come up with an opinion that isn't hyperbolic garbage
The irony in this is that persona games are replayed far more and by far more people than SMT has ever been, especially shit like V where you needed to wait 3 years for every playthrough to not be almost virtually identical. And everyone still bitches about it in VV anyway because the number of distinct playthroughs went up from 1 to 2 while leaving the mass effect 3 tier alternate routes intact. And to top it all off, godborn pissed off normal people for being stat bloat garbage and hyper autists for it being piss easy to farm the difficulty away in.
This is why no one gives a fuck about VV anymore and you are stuck here on this board with permanent soft stool trying to convince yourself Persona and Metaphor are shit and disliked instead

FFV is still the best job system JRPG to date.

You don't get the luxury

Stopped reading right there clearly you have no opinion or counter point and are some turbo autist who's whole personality is pretending to be a persona MC let me know when you're done roleplaying as a high schooler and want to have a discussion little man

You're not fooling anyone you read the whole thing

Yes, demake scammed 7 million people and lied about what it actually was. I'm very aware as I was a victim of it.

They are dogshit, even the worst RPG Maker slop you can find for a dollar on steam is better.

It was never regarded as best anything. It's mid by every measurement.

Delusional

I don't give a fucking shit about these Euro-jrpgs

i genuinely despise stuff like materia where any party member can do anything so I enjoyed the fact that party members in metaphor were heavily weighted towards specific roles. The only problem with Metaphor's job system is you got your full party late so unless your MC was mag you don't get access to a good magic user until later.

You can really tell just how extreme a minority the people that don't like this game are in when this exists and the best response someone can come up with for it is that it's tendie's fault when you can't even play this on a switch

Y..you didn't do the thing you said you did y..you did the thing I said you did..

K nigger whatever helps you sleep at night like I said when you're a big boy and ready to give actual talking points rather than seething like a tranny who missed their HRT day let me know

You're coping, it wasn't even good for an Atlus game.

Utterly delusional

Way too desperate
Looking forward to watching you swing from a tree later

It went from being regarded as one of the best JRPGs of all time

By whom?

The protagonist from the post you're replying to (Killian from Crimson Gem Saga) is a self-aware sarcastic asshole to everyone thoughbeit. I mean the game wasn't as funny as the devs imagined it to be, but my point is that Atlus protagonists weren't always meant to be blank self-inserts.

there have been several threads listing this game's flaws one by one on this board. And i don't that you can use the minority argument when this game only sold 1m copies, and most of these people are atlus fans who would buy anything atlus vomits anyway

party members in metaphor were heavily weighted towards specific roles

Eh, not really. You had suggestions based on what they start with, but you're really gimping yourself if you keep them in those roles. You can (and should) swap them into being anything you want. Even out of the royals, Heismay has the only truly good one that no one else can replicate, other than equipping an accessory, but since royal thief has it as a passive, Heismay effectively gets two accessory slots in a sense.

this game only sold 1m copies

Holy cope

but it did wth

You're delusional if you think the game never got any sales past it's first week.

First day* lmao

link?

It must be depressing being as outspoken as the anti-metaphor retards on this board

Japan liked top more than bottom

Prolly because the top rarely looked like that and the bottom also rarely looked like that

Defending the truth against the forces of the dead internet and their retarded organic allies is its own reward. You cannot silence what is self evident.

It was never our FOTM. Atlus didn’t have a big funding operation on Anon Babble/r*ddit so it appeared to “flop”. Expedition 33 has a HUGE marketing budget with tons of advertising on both sites. Its developers can essentially meme it into being GOTY by force of will alone. I get the feeling that Atlus didn’t care that much about the western audience since the catalog wasn’t spammed by advertisers nearly as much. In fact, who’s paying the anti shills?

tackles tough subjects with refreshing nuance

Bitch WHERE is the fucking nuance? The writing is as subtle as a brick to the face. You win political debates by default because your opponents are charicatures and strawmen, not actual villains with backstory and motivation. There's racist stereotypes for each race but every character you meet somehow PROVES every stereotype right, not a single one breaks the mold. The game doesn't even try to explain WHY every tribe is so racist to each other, like historically or anything because the worldbuilding sucks. Not even the bare minimum cookie cutter "bwaa someone from x tribe hurt me in the past so now I'm traumatized and hate everyone from that race".

gamalytic.com/game/2679460
2100 copies sold within the last week. Total copies on just steam now rival the first day million that was the combination of all platforms.

You cannot silence what is self evident

You don't say

Expedition 33 has a HUGE marketing budget

Stopped reading there

You win political debates by default because your opponents are charicatures and strawmen

t. Participated in none of the actual political debates in the game (and probably never played it)
There's more nuance in a nameless NPC saying "what [protagonist] is saying isn't realistic either, but maybe we'll have a better chance if we vote for him" than there is in all of slop 33

The game doesn't even try to explain WHY every tribe is so racist

Yeah cause racism totally needs a reason behind it. Yup, us humans, we've all got super deep lore for why we're racist.

us humans

What breed are you?

White.

You've never had an adult conversation in your life if you think the debates in this shitty game are deep and nuanced

E33 is not a game about politics and racism so it doesn't need to pass your arbitrary criteria, but the characters in it have realistic reactions to the events in the game and their behavior is logically consistent. Which is more than I can say than the cast of Refantazio that act either like negative IQ morons or total Mary Sues depending on what the plot needs at each point.

But what breed are you, though?

Read the catalog.

According to ancestry I'm 50% german and a bunch of other european shit.

The game doesn't even try to explain WHY every tribe is so racist to each other

This is also a lie, off the top of my head

roussiantes hate the clemars because they think they're more worthy of being the ruling race with frustrations stemming from not being the majority

Nidias are hated because they're known as liars stemming from their glamor use

everyone hates the paripus because they're hedonistic and go chasing handouts

elda are hated because of the state religion

all of this stems from how their society was built on an establishment trying to censor information including magic at first with good intentions of preventing another apocalypse from happening

Not an argument

So you're a unknown breed mongrel? Gotcha.

So in other words no you didn't play shit, got it

Why did public consensus on this change so fast?

Enough time elapsed for us to actually play it.

Yeah it changed from being a beloved rpg to being a beloved rpg

Each tribe is BELIEVED to be this or that, but if the game's message is supposed to be that racism is bad because people from specific races are real people and not just stereotypes then it failed miserably. Every nidian is dishonest, evey paripus is lazy, every elda is a zealot. They're not "misunderstood", that's literally all they are. In trying to make an anti-racist game they accidentally made a game that's super fucking racist.

no rebuttal

I accept your concession

Are you retarded or do you not actually know how racism and stereotypes work

Have to make an argument if you want one of those unfortunately

In trying to make an anti-racist game

blame the marketing

He's been posting this for over a year now and no one cared even once

I would feel sorry for you if you were one of those nice folks with brain damage

Do you not actually know how narrative devices work
If you're trying to write a story with a message and your own writing disproves that message you should find a different job.

if the game's message is supposed to be that racism is bad

That's not the message. You fell for the meme.
If Fire Emblem Path of Radiance came out today, retarded normies would also latch onto it and say its so progressive for the racism bad, missing all other aspects of the story.

Anon Babble would call Ike woke if that game came out today

the game disproves itself by showing what part of stereotypes are grounded in reality

You have a drooling 9 year old's understanding of both of these ideas

im not the schizo you're thinking of. The marketting and review outlets clearly indicated that the game was abuot diversity or whateve. But if you actually played the game to the end you would understand that the game delves into the (peril)s of diversity and challenges it at some points with questioning about whether or not humans can integrate and even having characters like heismay STAY racist towards other races.

It literally is about diversity. It's just not pretending you can solve every problem with it using magic blue hair dye

Every nidian is dishonest

They're not dishonest in an inherently negative way. They're hiding their appearance to prevent more prejudice against them

every paripus is lazy

Fidelio, Basilio and Catherina aren't lazy

every elda is a zealot

We meet two in the game and they happen to be the main protagonist and antagonist

In contrast it never shows what parts of the stereotypes are false or exaggerated though. Literally not a single time. The point of stereotypes irl is that while part of it is based on real experiences some of it is just unwarranted prejudice and fear-mongering. Atlus writers forgot the second part because they suck at their job.

true, but the marketting was pushing a pro diversity message but the actual game isnt totally like that

im just waiting for the super re:Re fanatsy version to play it

JRPGs are glorified waifu simulators.

"public consensus = some retard pajeets on Anon Babble"

lmao kill yourself

There's no romance

Wrong. Pic related is canon.

It's overrated, definitely, but it's a good "baby's first JRPG".

they're more like glorified movie-games actually

entirely made up numbers

you will give me the source.

All the ones hiding underground are decent people too. Elda don't have a single trait like the other ones do which he would know if he played the game which he all but admitted he didn't. The church only mandated eldan racism in the first place to suppress knowledge of magic from the old world when in reality they were highly responsible with it.

tpbp

rule34(dot)xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12143390&tags=eupha_(metaphor:_refantazio)

holy mid, thank you anyway

Visual design is key for entry level weebs.

Metaphor hasn't really gotten a whole lot of good porn. Another sign that the game isn't all that it is cracked up to be compared to Persona. It's a solid 6 or 7/10 if you like Atlus IMO.

Why would a non-coomer game get a ton of porn over a coomer series

there's no porn so it sucks

and here we are at the end of the line of cope when shitting on the game every other way didn't work

nah theres tons of good metaphor porn

Yeah. Good point. Compared to Persona it's very dry to say the least.
I would say massive amounts of porn is actually a very good tell if something is popular or not.
Post some. :)

Wasn't Atlus on the verge of bankrupcy for years before P5? How long until they find themselves in that situation again?

Post some. :)

no thats gross, also persona has like 6 different games and it took until
like 2020 for persona 5 to get tons of porn

most of persona's porn is garbage tier rape/ntr shit thoughbeit

I should like this game but I just can't bring myself to play more than 2 to 3 hours of it every other day, I just got done with Act 1 too

ITT:

Why did public consensus on this change so fast?

where? on reddit?

That didn't happen
Why do you fuckers make so much dumb shit up

Perchance the court of public opinion is a fickle and promiscuous mistress perchance, one that perchance ought to be ignored as like with a common street whore perchance

Normies already forgot it existsnobody is talking about it anymore

Sorry to kill your erection schizo but not anytime soon
Their software sales are through the roof, repeated sales of P5R keep coming up in every financial report SEGA puts out, they don't put out individual game milestones after launch anymore but Persona by itself generated 4 million sales between now and this time last year, which was almost 3 months after the most recent persona release. 830k of that was from January to March of 2025, so as dogshit as it was, the chances of P3R not having cleared 2 million sales by now are pretty slim. All you can read right here
personacentral.com/persona-worldwide-sales-fy-q4-2025/
Then on the focus of this shitty thread, Metaphor is their fastest selling game to date at a million from just preorders which they've never done before, had strong sales according to their publisher and greatly exceeded their sales expectations on PC according to the game's director, the tons of accolades and the director getting an award from his country's government specifically for this game regardless of the rest of his career notwithstanding.

Metacritic doesn't help sales, shills still hasn't answered why this game didn't reach 2 million sales after winning most awards in tga

this game didn't reach 2 million sales

[citation needed]

It was 70usd and people wanted to feel (really) good about their purchase.

The sad reality is that half the replies to OP are all from the same person

people stop talking about a single player game months after it released

:O

surprisingly didn't have much of a shill campaign unlike the usual suspects

My issue is that it looks like fucking garbage from texture detail to the look of the characters. None of it looks appealing and it looks worse than a PS2/GC/XBOX game. It literally looks like Atlus's C team worked on it.

made for BWC

that's because it was all organic, if it wasn't, the endless woke threads probably made by the same sad sacks of shit that made this thread around the time the demo came out would've translated into the sales or reception, and it didn't

It was alright but I still kinda hate the twist and having Will and "his will" being alive at the same time irriates my marbles more than it should. The fusion didn't feel earned at all.

still don't want to completely give up on people after having them turn on you and not even fully understanding what happened to your own body

not earned

also

other half willing to make a deal giving up his life so that the necromancer doesn't slaughter everyone

not earned

It's more Will and Not Will being two completely separate characters and Will (Original) not having ANY screentime or personality.

fuck you anon, don't put words in my mouth bitch. you seen my follow up now eat my shit
PSHARTTTTTTTT

you learn entirely about the prince and what his thoughts and feelings were on everything through your PC and the false memories built off of what the prince actually felt
him never appearing on his own but to talk about how important (You) are to him is what makes the idea of (You) being his fantasy in the same way most authors pen their characters work so well

no fuck you man don't put shit in the authors mouth. having will more of a character before he fusions ha even if it's for a day or two would had way more impact then "oh he's already dead awkward...."

according to OP these games are flops because they don't have a thread on Anon Babble 24/7

who in the ever loving fuck bought ark survival evolved? like seriously what type of moron actually bought that shit

don't put shit in the authors mouth

(You) are literally coming out of the author's mouth and everything he wanted to be doing everything he wanted to do
(You) are a wanderer that loves travelling because the prince wanted to travel like his dad
(You) have trauma from your village being burned because the prince had trauma from his village being burned
(You) are insecure as fuck about being an elda because the prince was insecure as fuck about being an elda
(You) become the hero because the prince wanted to be the hero
(You) ride the floaty sword and do reckless things easily because the prince (and your mom) was like that
Do I need to go on

lower metacritic score lmao

fuck you this is why nobody likes p fags

fuck me? fuck you

no FUCK YOU