why did she force fakeVerso to live after she brought back Gustave?
Why did she force fakeVerso to live after she brought back Gustave?
hes immortal as long as the painting exists. hes probably come to terms with her choice after another few dozen years. i dont think shes controlling him though like a marionette as some have suggested
Because she had absorbed her Alicia half at that point who was really attached to Verso for her guilt for getting him killed.
Also wanted his semen.
He said he wanted to play the piano so he's going to play the piano. Verso shouldn't have lied (literally impossible for him) if he didn't want to play the piano.
be Verso
sleep with Sciel, have her tell you about her miscarriage and attempted suicide, find out she was saved by Esquie
spend time with Lune and help her find closure with her parents along with their desire and trust for her to continue their work
chill with Monoco, even revive his son-mentor Noco
one hour later
delete all of them
what the fuck was his problem
why did she force fakeVerso to live after she brought back Gustave?
Because he wanted to be around unlike Painted Alicia who asked to be unpainted.
He also promised Maelle in the relationship dialogue he'd play for her and everyone else in Lumiere. It was literally his idea and his concert he invited everyone to.
And lastly, he told Maelle not to trust real Renoir and that he would try to destroy the painting before Maella foolishly told him she can convince "papa" not to.
A lot of people playing this didn't pay attention to anything.
Because she can't move on from her brother's death and uses painted Verso to live out her fantasy of living together.
he
I doubt this, what Verso wanted.. was to do all those things in real life, when he was alive, he knows it isn't real, he isn't real, and he wants the farce to end.
forgetting that Verso lies
He's always lying. Even when he'd be better of telling the truth.
Because he wanted to be around
????????????
any time you criticize the writing of expedition 33, you will inevitably have someone come out and say "actually Verso/Maelle was lying when they said this, you didn't play the game"
Literally nothing you said made sense since everything the game explicitly says is the opposite of what you typed. This has to be some sort of advanced bait.
He's always lying. Even when he'd be better of telling the truth.
My Verso told the truth about Gustave and admitted all his lies.
????????????
If he wanted to die he would've asked to be unpainted and Alicia would've complied but he changed his mind and wanted to stick around to continue to help her. This happens off-screen post Maelle ending but you need media literacy to understand that.
anytime you criticize any game in this shit website, someone will inevitable come and argue against you.
seriously, give it a go, make a thread of a game you like, and make some claim about it.
he wanted to be around
i had a different interpretation of "kill me please kill me i want to die kill me"
Literally nothing you said made sense since everything the game explicitly says is the opposite of what you typed. This has to be some sort of advanced bait.
You must not've did the optional Axon when Maelle unpaints Painted Alicia. This proves that Maelle would've unpainted Verso but he never asked.
i had a different interpretation of "kill me please kill me i want to die kill me"
It was just the heat of the moment and he cooled down by the piano scene. And he was lying about wanting to die because he wanted Maelle to not die in the painting but he changed his mind when he realized that wasn't happening.
actually Verso/Maelle was lying when they said this
I have two alternative theories besides her being a self-centered bitch
1) this is actually verso's world given he is the creator of all of it, hence things like esquie his childhood plushy being a superhero in the painting. It's said that Verso's soul is in the painting. So why would this reality ever let Verso die? It would manipulate events and people to prevent that from ever happening.
2) related to the first, Aline's entire purpose of being in the painting was to retreat into Verso's world that contains his soul fragment and she has been 'painting' ie. manipulating large swaths of this reality. The last thing she wants is for the painting to be destroyed, so she invents the Maelle character with her hang-up about losing Gustave and puts Alicia in her body when Maelle enters the painting (Clea said that Maelle enters one of "Aline's creations" when she's falling into the painting for the first time)- she basically rewires her child's mind to preserve the painting and therefore verso's soul at all cost
Was he really a part of Expedition 0 and helped Renoir(painted) build the golden dome over Lumiere or was that another lie?
Shut up and play the piano music man. You've got another 500 grand reopenings before you've paid off Gustave's death.
go back to sucking dicks on reddit
get manipulated somehow by a rival family into causing a fire
brother sacrifices his own life to save yours
but your body is disfigured, one eye is gone and can't speak
both mother and sister blame you for his death; the former hates you so much she makes a copy of you in the painted world disfigured too
get reborn in painted world, parents presumably die at young age and get passed around till you finally get some good parental figures
but they and everyone else gonna die too because world is fucked
father-figure killed by painted version of dad, meet painted version of brother
bond with him, eventually remembering who he is; but he's miserable and selfish and wants to kill everyone in the painted world which are living feeling beings
go back to being a burn victim living with a family that mostly still resents you
nothing to look forward to in life but the sweet release of death
Sure is a mystery why she would rather just spend time in a 'fantasy' land even if she'd die sooner than outside of it. Her only real mistake was not letting painted Verso stay dead.
>actually Verso/Maelle was lying when they said this
He groomed Verso's soul into saying he wanted to stop painting that's why he had to ask a bunch of times and lead him on.
He has a savior complex for Maelle and just says whatever he can he thinks will help her at that time.
I just finished the game. I picked maelle's ending to start with but I think verso's ending was the better choice. Kino game either way.
The writers wanted to have their cake and eat it so badly when they made Renoir to be evil as fuck for 70% of the game and then after the reveal they were just like "actually it was just your bitch mom who made my fake version seem evil :)"
>both mother and sister blame you for his death; the former hates you so much she makes a copy of you in the painted world disfigured too
>get reborn in painted world, parents presumably die at young age and get passed around till you finally get some good parental figures
If the paintress really hated her she wouldn't have given her the life of Maelle with the two loving birth parents. The paintress is just depressed bio Verso died.
People are getting absolutely mindbroken over these characters.
shill thread
Is there any evidence that the Paintress had any control over Maelle's 'birth'? She was actively confused when she saw Maelle on top of being insane.
somehow
She has a typewriter in her room.
Verso, from a family of painters, hated painting but wanted to be a musician.
Likely, Alicia, from a family of painters, sucked at painting and music, but _maybe_ wanted to be a writer.
The Writers (TM), probably offered some advice and she took the bait, created mustard gas inside her room, and Verso died trying to save her. Then she killed herself in Verso's canvas anyway lol.
She's competing to be the worst little sister of all time in all of fiction.
Aline wasn't even aware she was there. Otherwise she'd have painted some fire and thrown Alicia into it.
People who picked Maelle's ending vs people who picked Verso's ending
well, you're about to be reborn in this world as one of Aline's creations
Verso's is the better choice but Maelle's is a higher quality ending. That disconnect is causing issues for the local autists.
Is there any evidence that the Paintress had any control over Maelle's 'birth'? She was actively confused when she saw Maelle on top of being insane.
Yes the clear evidence of Clea telling Maelle that the Paintress is literally painting over her and making her a new character in the canvas.
And the implied evidence that Maelle's birth parents wanted a baby and couldn't have or they would've had one by then but the Paintress painted Maelle's mother pregnant with Maelle.
Because she can't let go. In a way, when Verso begs for death in her ending, one can also see this as the will of the remnant of Verso's soul. She denies their wishes because if she accepted this, it would mean that she would once again be responsible for Verso's death. And this time there'd be no denial about it.
Having Verso's soul live and bringing back painted Verso to act as her brother is Alicia being too deep inside her wonderland. She knows this as well hence the tears in her own ending. Yet she keeps the act up, it's all she believes she has left.
What about people that picked and liked both endings?
Uninstall video game after playing it for 60 hours
I've committed genocide according to the Maellefags
Her face clutching the Esquie cracks me up every time I see it. She looks like she's going to walk back inside and kill herself. Maybe she'd just drop dead if someone yanked that plushy away from her.
>Uninstall video game after playing it for 60 hours
>I've committed genocide according to the Maellefags
The metaphor only works if you then delete the save file after you quit.
Ok and that means that Aline knew it was her Alicia how? Again, how does she not know what Maelle was? She also prattles about how they must be tricks of Renoir, meaning at the very least she's too far gone to know what she's even doing.
lmao
this proves that aline manipulated the entire thing from the start to ensure that alicia would prevent renoir from destroying the painting
Why would anyone with more than a single cell in their brains pick Maelle, the teenage woman that's all about ME ME ME ME
I switched sides the moment she said some shit like "Papa, see...I've lost so much!" and based dad said "WE... lost so much" and then the selfish asshole of a daughter kept hammering about how she can't handle more losses, without noticing neither can her dad.
It's all about her as if she's the center of the universe, such a typical teenager mentality.
From that point onwards I wanted her to suffer the most misserable life she could ever have. FUCK HER.
I think many of you miss the entire point.
Verso sacrificed himself in the fire to save Maelle so that she could live.
His final wish is to literally let Maelle live her life
Maelle throwing her life away to live inside the canvas while she rots away in real life betrays the very wish Verso wanted.
Verso's Ending was correct
Yes, it was explicity said and explained with apples and oranges. Are you stupid?
The canvas makes real humans question their reality. Aline was just going crazy from spending too much time in it, everything she says in the canvas is schizo.
it's legitimately low IQ that you can't abstract a pov from within an artificial setting. It's basically proof that you aren't even conscious.
KEK
Maellefags are subhumans.
renoir had previously tried to trick her multiple times
>Ok and that means that Aline knew it was her Alicia how?
Because a bitch with one eye and burn scars randomly jumps in your canvas and you're immediately alerted to it. Alicia being painted over is not a passive process.
Again, how does she not know what Maelle was?
Because she made a baby for a woman who always wanted one but didn't bother to follow the life of the baby.
why is life outside of the canvas any more real than inside the canvas?
in my opinion she did follow the life of the baby and made gustave to ensure that she would get mind-raped about losing a painted loved one so she wouldn't ever let go of verso
Renoir has been trying to subterfuge her for nearly 70 years dude, of course she's a little off mentally
Show me something other than Clea saying she was gonna be reborn as one of Aline's creations which could mean a number of things. Again, explain why Aline has no idea what Maelle even is when seeing her?
Is there any evidence that it isn't a passive process? If you want to use that one line as evidence then explain why Aline herself refers to them as though they are Renoir's creations?
Because she made a baby for a woman who always wanted one but didn't bother to follow the life of the baby.
Then she would immediately know it was her when she laid eyes on her.
Because the painted world is just soulless ink. Only real real world humans are shown to posses a soul.
no soul
remember that little verso at the end? That's a human soul, unique of its kind, painted beings don't have a soul.
I just don't think renoir is a pol pot-tier mass murderer
Show me something other than Clea
What's 2+2....but don't say 4! Give me another answer
Maellefags are literally retarded holy shit.
anon there's so little context in this game that all we have are single lines, the only time you play in the outside world is a 2 minute segment and cut-scene
Alicia being painted over is not a passive process.
There's no evidence of that. And then there's this part where painted Renoir tries to expel her from the canvas. youtu.be
Is there any evidence that it isn't a passive process? If you want to use that one line as evidence then explain why Aline herself refers to them as though they are Renoir's creations?
I interpreted it as Alicia had lost a lot of stability by the point she is reunited with Maelle. This is probably hampered by the fact painted Renoir tried to save the world from Clea's nevrons but then he betrayed her. Was probably paranoid of everything by that point.
The Paintress was confused by Maelle, she kept calling her Alicia but she wasn't sure if it was her. Learn to read emotion and tone.
Its been 16 more years of tricks since she drew Maelle and finally met her.
I don't think you fucking understand what even 1 year of having an stalker trying to gaslight you at any given opportunity can do to your mental health.
what makes having a soul matter?
The reason I picked maelle's ending initially was less about maelle herself and more about the rest of the canvas. I know that's a whole other argument as to whether or not they're really sentient, but the way the ending plays out I got the impression you were ultimately condemning them to the same suffering as Verso because she will just NEVER let go.
No shit, she's literally killing herself, her being sane would be retarded.
even Aline says it's a risk for real Alicia to be in the canvas
Damn.
The romances felt so forced.
It creates a dichotomy between real and fake.
This but unironically. I, personally, rejected everyone.
What kid Verso thinks a living being is, is irrelevant to the overall theme of what is real and what isn't.
Kid Verso is a child, Esquie is the equivalent of an imaginary friend. Of course he thinks they are as real as anyone else.
It was already unironic
These people also leaving out how it's talked about as though Aline's chroma was acting on it's own, and that Alicia would have been ok if she had stayed calm. Probably essentially the process that allows for birth within the painted world.
Renoir's family is written like the greek gods. A group of incredibly petty and stupid people that make little people suffer horrifically for their failures
I do think it's interesting that people hold firm that it's more important to care about realAline and reaAlicia because they have souls. Note that this soul is still just some thing that the writers of this video game decided they would have. Neither is more real because it's a video game.
The reason I picked maelle's ending initially was less about maelle herself and more about the rest of the canvas. I know that's a whole other argument as to whether or not they're really sentient
I did it because I knew Maelle would bring back Gustave and everyone else who died an early death due to the gommage and nevrons.
For those who came before and after.
but the way the ending plays out I got the impression you were ultimately condemning them to the same suffering as Verso because she will just NEVER let go.
I am optimistic she will let everyone live out natural lifespans and not interfere as a paintress beyond restoring everyone she did. And that hopefully after she and Alicia die in the canvas that Renoir and Clea will do the right thing and put the canvas in some sort of safe archive where it can remain forever instead of sperging out and destroying it after.
Her only real mistake was not letting painted Verso stay dead.
Because that was the only thing that actually mattered to her. Everything else was just gravy.
Its plain to see Alicia is worthless and can't survive on her own.
Clea
wew lad you fucked up 30 seconds into the Canvas, well...bye bye!
Aline
you can't be here its too dangerous for you!
Renoir
paints a fetus inside an axon to represent her daughter
Quite literally everyone sees Maelle has not matured yet and has the mindset of a toddler.
soul
is Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 basically advocacy for the Christian faith? or other such faiths that believe in the concept of a soul? It seems like at least one major message is that you need to care more about a reality where things have souls.
Verso's is the better choice
There is no OBJECTIVE good choice, you dumb zoomer, the endings are a litmus test. I chose to save lumiere, and I'll hear none of your nonsense about why that's bad, because frankly I don't give a shit about Verso, the Desandre family, or even Alicia when a whole world of people desperate to live is at stake.
Neither is more real because it's a video game.
Then why are you arguing about it?
You'll probably like the Gustave ending even more.
If nothing is real then you shouldn't care about us shitting on the drug addict.
What's the Gustave ending?
It's all Aline's fault because Alicia didn't care about painting and canvasses before Aline painted over her after she came in to try to talk some sense into her leaving.
And if Aline would take breaks than Renoir wouldn't feel the need to destroy the canvas.
SOON
he thinks he saved Lumiere
What's the Gustave ending?
It's the one where Gustave survives and becomes powerful enough to kick Maelle, Aline, and Renoir all out of the painting using all the chroma he stole from them, but not before forcing Maelle to paint back Sophia and everyone else who gommaged and died in the continent.
im not that anon, I just thought it was interesting. It's very circular logic
the painted world shouldn't matter because they don't have this [real] thing
except the [real] thing isn't real
I think both sides agree to that at least.
As much as I loved Gustave. Bringing him back would cheapen his sacrifice. It's a good thing he stayed dead and didn't get to see what Maelle devolved into after she merged with Alicia.
Based morally principled anon
For those who come after
Because they wanted to make Maelle's ending not perfect otherwise Versofags would have no ground to stand on.
I think its more that Lumiere is doomed regardless of what you do. It, like so much else, has already been lost.
You can have Maelle bring everyone back to life maybe but it doesn't change the fact that the world of the canvas is on a timer. It will exist for as long as Alicia is still alive and when she dies the canvas goes with it.
Everyone in Lumiere started living on borrowed time and that never changes. So you just have to decide if those beings of the canvas deserve to exist a little longer despite never being able to actually solve their problem, or if you should accept that they're already all gone and move on.
Interesting how the devs have gone on record in an interview saying the grief isn't the central theme of the story despite everyone talking about it, and instead it's the relationship between art and artist.
I guess that one Renoir journal explicitly laid out the thesis of the game
It feels a lot like the Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty ending where the writers very clearly wrote themselves into a corner where a perfect happy ending would go against the 'theme' of the game so they just randomly made it so all of V's friends would randomly hate him after he was gone for a bit
Its real in their universe and the universe within the universe.
A life to dream, where our dynamic duo save the canvas and the Dessendre family.
Everyone in Lumiere started living on borrowed time and that never changes. So you just have to decide if those beings of the canvas deserve to exist a little longer despite never being able to actually solve their problem, or if you should accept that they're already all gone and move on.
It's like The Calm in FFX. It's too important to question how brief it would be. They deserve it anyway.
the painted world shouldn't matter
Nah, you can treasure something even after it's gone. The memories of it will always live on in people's hearts that experienced it. It doesn't automatically make it meaningless.
Yeah but caring about a soul is an extension of our universe. Why does it matter whether something has a soul?
didn't understand the game award
Are Maellefags the new Edeltards? A complete inability to understand what is actually going on outside of the perspective of their waifu?
Retard.
when a whole world of people desperate to live is at stake.
By the time you have to make a choice. There are TWO Lumierans alive, two.
None of the gestrals give a fuck if they live or die.
Piano. Now.
actually there is a scene where maelle talks about being shit at art, and just read books all day
I thought the canvas world existed for as long as the piece of Verso's soul kept painting? I dunno how Maelle dying would doom it when it already existed without her, unless she released Verso's soul and took over his role which seems unlikely.
caring about a soul is an extension of our universe.
No it isn't. I'm not a christcuck. Souls are meaningless to me.
Yet souls matter in Clair Obscure because that's the difference between a real human being and a piece of living ink.
grief isn't the central theme of the story
i've been saying this since the game came out. It's obvious grief and loss isn't the central theme because NOTHING in the story elaborates on how to deal with it. It literally just all gets solved in the end off-screen.
The only thing it has to say about grief is "escapism is bad mmm k"
They deserve it anyway.
That's a fair assessment. But even if that generation gets to be happy for a little while, what about what comes after? Their children, or their children's children?
Someone is going to suffer and suffer terribly. The annihilation of Lumiere is inevitable.
This also assumes that Maelle brought back the "true" version of Lumiere's people and not just copies made from her own mind and memories. I seriously question if the Gustave and Sophie we see can actually be considered real in the same way the originals are.
hylic fedorafag is also a "dey not real" nigger
typical
be a team of millennial JRPG fans
make the ultimate tribute to the genre by trolling people into arguing about Marche vs. Mewt again
geniuses, the lot of them
nah I destroyed that shit LMAO
but why does something being real matter more than something being living ink? How do we know that the "real human being" isn't itself a simulation of a higher power?
This also assumes that Maelle brought back the "true" version of Lumiere's people and not just copies made from her own mind and memories. I seriously question if the Gustave and Sophie we see can actually be considered real in the same way the originals are.
Maelle is so shit at painting I think being able to hit the restore button on Verso and Aline's creation is the greatest extend of her abilities. That's why I see them as the real thing and not reproductions.
Because one has something the other does not. Thus creating the difference between a human and a subhuman, a subhuman lacks something a human has. that's the literal definition of it, meaning one has a higher power over the other.
That's easy to say because no one has any idea what's that about
I don't think there's any real evidence to support that she is just making copies of people from her memories. When remaking Sciel and Lune she struggles to even do that much, so the implication that she has any control over their minds seems like a stretch, especially since Verso is still being angsty about not being dead.
I'm not an artist, don't care about artistic themes, simple as
artists will be replaced by AI anyway
especially since Verso is still being angsty about not being dead.
To be fair Verso is a unique case given that his soul is what's empowering the entire thing, and I think because of that his feelings cannot be painted over.
The writer herself says what the game is about here youtu.be
femoid voice
Uninstalled that video as soon as I heard her.
a genius inventor like Gustave in Lumiere is lower than a gutter-rat crack whore in Paris because muh painting people no real
filthy brownoid desperate for a crumb of superiority I see
mindbroken
there is no divine spark when Gustave was created, he was simply made that way
Correct. Gustave would never be more important than a woman that can give birth to up to 10 Gustaves before reaching menopause.
Women matter.
there is no divine spark when Gustave was created, he was simply made that way
Gustave himself is the divine spark retard.
we have no idea what chroma is or it's origins
Gustave died a virgin.
aite then wtf is that other anon saying then
Definition of 'chroma'
1. the purity of a color, or its freedom from white or gray. 2. intensity of distinctive hue; saturation of a color.
Promises made, promises kept.
Gustave died a virgin.
He had contraceptive sex with Sophie.
Painted Verso has nothing to do with Verso's soul beyond being created in his adult image.
Reminder that despite being 'not real' Gustave inventing the Lumina Converter is what allowed the party to ever grow strong enough to win against even painters. Imagine what he'd do if he were actually given more time along with the knowledge of what their world was.
It's 1850, so no.
At best Sophie jacked him off but I doubt it, she's too cute and pure for that.
no soul
Chroma is soul. The people in the canvas have all the hallmarks of sentient life. Including creativity, ingenuity and the ability to go against the wishes of their creator.
If the canvas people aren't real in this game then humans aren't real in the Christian faith.
Painted people can only exist in the painting because they're simply ink made to resemble humans. Painters and anyone in the real world can exist in different worlds.
My boy, I don't go back to Lumiere to see what's going on there, I don't know anything about the expeditioners. But you've been back and forth checking on your "sister" and you knew this man created a way to take the power of the painters. Why did you let me kill him son?
The guys that think they saved Lumiere in the Maelle ending have to be the biggest retards in the world.
Not everyone that came back was pure chroma. The only people that are the same are the people that got Gommaged . Gustave had old chroma, his chroma wasn't stored by Renoir, the Gustave in the Maelle ending is fake.
And Renoir still has access to the painting retards. There is nothing stopping him from going back inside the painting and forcing Alicia out after he realises that he got duped by her. You "saved" a half fake Lumiere for around 30 years at best dumb fucking niggers. You didn't save shit
It's just a matter of time until one of the painting people decides it's time to escape the Demiurge's reality prison and demands a new life
Good, fuck christianity.
Boy Verso's soul had to stay alive for the canvas to keep existing, and adult Verso can't die while child Verso remains because the Paintress made him an immortal part of the canvas.
Chroma is soul.
It's pretty obvious that chroma is different from real world people souls. Painted people have essence that's basically an idea of a person, that's how painters create them.
Ignore that the real world probably isn't real though.
Well, so him being our cipher and the protagonist doesn't conflict with the fact that the game clearly highlights that he is a constant liar saying whatever he needs to get what he wants.
There's nothing that implies that, so it's just your headcanon.
Irrelevant. If there's a higher tier of reality then that just makes ink people even more worthless and irrelevant.
a mammal doesn't care about the feelings of bacteria.
Nonsense. Painted Renoir and Alicia were also immortal but their were destroyed. Maelle could gommage him.
Obviously, the Paintress paints the golden dome (which we never see).
However, there's something about Clea turning Expedition 00 away at the barrier. Why? Why did she know something they didn't, and was this painted Clea?
We do know that there was inter-expedition search and rescue teams, I assume with fewer nevrons about. Julie was pat of this and something happened there with Verso.
Christians believe that God will come to Earth and kill everyone. Human life does not matter to Gods and any God that thinks human life is precious is a cringe Redditfag that should never be worshiped in the first place
There's both a painting of Maelle and Alicia, and a painting of the year 33 monolith in the manor during the Alicia epilogue.
Also December 33.
It's a real world in the universe of the video game lol.
the paintings in the manor are just concept art, they hold no meaning to the overall narrative
Why are there paintings in the real world of things that won't happen for another 16-17 monolith years then?
I see, it doesn't actually mean anything when it disproves your headcanon. Good one.
I don't think so.
I assume the painted worlds draw on the same sources (the Akashic Record, the Platonic Realm of Forms, the Qaf of Souls) our world does, just our world was painted by the gods and is a bit more stubbornly in place.
So the painted beings are more etherial and possess a kind of youngness of soul. I suppose depending on who Aline is inspired by in her painting, parts of real souls can resonate with these young erstwhile souls and add maturity to them.
Even so, life in the canvas is just delaying rebirth in a realer grander world.
One assumes that one benefit of life on Earth is a chance at spiritual ascendency, rebirth in a higher realm. The canvases being not even low realms, but non-realms. Just soul traps effectively.
I interpret Chroma as like Conan the Barbarian's riddle of steel that was left neglectfully on the battlefield of the gods and picked up surreptitiously by mere men.
Renoir has it right about painting. If there is any purpose to the craft, really, it's to attain enlightenment by reaching towards perfection without touching it. To experiment with the spiritually ideal, to learn, not to create.
Did you never paint something that doesn't represent reality? How dense are you?
Well, it's largely gnostic parable which is most easily explained if you're just honest:
Jews believe they are real and exist created by God's will and mind, but goyim are false images created by the power of the Jewish subconscious.
So Maelle leaving Lune etc. behind is just the admission that goyim simply don't have souls. As Asmongold said, it's turning off your video game console. You don't kill the characters, they're not real.
Again, it makes a lot more sense if you just understand that Jews think they are literally real and we are not. That IRL they think non-Jews are just video game characters actually. (one reason the NPC meme enraged them)
it's not just something that isn't reality, it's something very specific that happens in the future
I think it's more like Myst (probably the writers are D'ni).
Your painter's mind summons something real, where there is a philosophical controversy over summoning versus creation.
Sucks to suck, im real and my desires supersede a self absorbed puppet without strings.
thought this all felt familiar
it's something very specific that happens in the future
So more headcanon since you don't know what happens in the future of any of the endings.
I don't think so.
I didn't ask. Everyone is just spouting their own opinion to fight arguments. If you want to share theories then you should probably find a better community because very few here will care for it.
Its the good ending but they had to make it bad somehow so they threw in a jumpscare and took it too far
Why did neither Maelle or Verso care about the other living beings in the painting?
Verso just wants to die and force Alicia out of the painting so she can get over her grief in a healthy way. Alicia only wants to save the painting so she can have a dollhouse to play god in. None of them are fighting for the sake of anyone else
And why would they do it?
we didn't want to focus on good and evil, but people who are close but different from each other and have different perspectives on what should be done.
Gentlemen, if you ever needed to know, this is the entire moral psychology of women.
It's:
1) I want something personally and selfishly and am highly dependent on others to get it, and generally lack agency about the direction of society anyway.
2) My friends, whom I'm dependent on, have selfish needs as well and because they are them and I'm me, our needs can easily conflict.
3) We're women, so our "perspective" = whatever the fuck we think we need or deserve right now.
4) This leads to conflict, which gets resolved by creating massive irreconcilable drama that provokes men to get involved and just settle it for us.
There is not one shred of moral consideration for women outside of this cycle. Morality is not greater than:
1) Oh shit I like my friends so I kind of don't want to hurt them even though I do really prefer to get my way
2) I'm dependent on others and they're sometimes dependent on me, so even though we're in conflict I have to pretend to go their way until there's room for a drama to be catalyzed that I can plausibly blame on them for starting.
Because they were both unhappy with their lives and selfish
He low key admits he had a thing with Lune.
The story was written by both a man and a woman though.
Reminder that Gustave's expedition happened to be time *just* right for when Maelle was just old enough to join and that they're all Aline's creations.
The Roman Republic has birth control, they used to use a plant (which they ended up making extinct)
You can also fucking pull out or cum in a butt.
You have to think in Theosophical terms. The weight of a soul is measured against its absolute progress in the ascension of souls.
Your soul is as important as its place in the spiritual hierarchy.
One way to think of it is the richness of their souls is a reflection of the strength of soul of the Paintress, and they reflect her, not themselves. They may appear soulfull in context, but removed from the canvas, their souls wouldn't have enough self-power to progress. They can only exist in canvas because they are a reflection of the soul of the painter
Your soul is as important as its place in the spiritual hierarchy.
fuck off with your caste system, jeet
Hehe, well in truth it's because the "real" family is fake and painted out of the subconscious of the boy and adult Verso, the former using their consensus father to kick adult Verso out and the latter using their consensus mother to protect his ability to be there.
Note that the curator draws on the Dessendre painting for Chroma, and that there's a massive Chroma ribbon in the air in the Atelier.
The "real" family is painted as well, but the Dessendre family painting is the source of Chroma. It's the point of subconscious agreement between boy and adult Verso, and so they only leverage either has to win in conflict against the other.
kills everyone in the painting
decides to do it a second time because Maelle has some issues dealing with grief
Fuck Verso. Another thousand years in the piano mines
December 33 is actually real in the revolutionary French calendar. Lumiere might be "what if the republic won" alt history. Real Lumiere that is.
I think Alicia mentions she's from Lumiere, not Paris.
And why would they do it?
I get the feeling the retarded DEI woman writer took over and changed it to that
OH NO. Maybe we should find an academic study to confirm our theories about a fake and gay videogame.
no wonder the Dessendres are all godless degenerates
She can't do it without the CEO/director/writer's approval. He must have liked how it was written for it to get a pass.
But Theosophy is literally based on an Aryan caste premise. Look, man, I'm not defending neo-Gnostic beliefs just explaining them.
If that's what makes you happy. I don't care for theories though.
no no, its the good ending
the woman made it bad
its really the good ending though
literally mind rotted
Yeah actually that makes sense. A first republic full revolutionary, post-religious world with a kind of rational pseudo-paganism running society. A kind of religion of the ego within rationality, where imagination and will transcend the imposed hierarchical limitations of science to create magic.
Aryan
no, it's jeet nonsense that exists to jeets have an excuse to not give a shit about their fellow man and create a low-trust hellscape. It has no value when discussing the ethics of Lumiere's existence (which they do deserve)
The romances felt so forced.
Anon, those aren't romances.
These are casual fucks, pump & dump style. Both bitches use Verso as a meat dildo. Sciel even goes as far as telling him that she's just using him and that she's going back to her husband once he's revived.
If you think any of that is romantic, you're seriously fucked in the head.
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Verso and Lune had a chance but Verso fucked that up along with everything else.
I fucking love this for the sequel.
The world is one where the French Revolution sort of succeeded and rationality came to support egalitarianism, so everyone lives in a fucking huge mansion, but at the same time, hierarchical science is abolished and this allows the French imagination the full freedom, true freedom liberte to break passed imposed social discourse and engage with the magical. Similar to Megalopolis's vague hand-wavy explanation for the architect's powers.
Now, wars aren't over inequality or power, but over philosophical differences of opinion clashing out of expressions of the truly free soul.
It's referred to as Paris in the Alicia section
No, I mean, Theosophy literally uses the word Aryan in their conception of the progress and ranking of souls. And they did invent it while jacking off in India.
I can't get over the scene when Maelle ressurected Lune and Sciel they just went: aight we back.
No existental crises, no reaction at all really. No comment about Maelle being fucking god or their life just being fake and them being npcs. Verso obv knew being trapped for 100 years.
Didn't somebody say he will age and die now?
No they live in Paris. If you try to leave the manor in the Epilogue she calls the outside city Paris
Anglos looking on in disgust at the continent full of mentally ill artists killing each other over Impressionism vs Realism or some shit
Probably because alicia can't separate painting verso from real verso emotionally. The game does a terrible job building this foundation before the ending though, especially if you just go straight to the ending.
=> If there is any purpose to the craft, really, it's to attain enlightenment by reaching towards perfection without touching it.
I agree - but in ordinary worlds, this may be what the others are reaching for. In this canvas, Aline achieved it. She crafted sapient life, beyond other examples like gestrals and grandees (objectively sentient, debatably sapient)
Renoir and Clea are clear that they don't consider these creations worthy of existence - they're mere paintings to them. To Alicia/Maelle, they're family. To aline, it's debatable (given she's a more ambiguous figure in the narrative and creator of these people), but whether by accident or design, Lumiere is alive. As alive as figures outside the canvas.
Whether this is their first accomplishment of fully sapient life is up for debate, but I do like your idea of other paintings being more etherial. It also ties in with other theories of Painting sapient life being a massive taboo, which further complicates the question of Decide The Fate Of The Canvas.
I can't get over the scene when Maelle ressurected Lune and Sciel they just went: aight we back.
What if Alicia tweaked them this way to prevent alot of drama?
Based. Fuck Maellefags.
It's also amazingly dumb that the first conversation between the expeditioners and verso after he just tricked them into killing everyone is done out of cutscene as normal camp dialogue. This is a bread a butter moment for following a story about characters and it's just gotten over with. Then they just forgive him because alicia can bring people back.
) I want something personally and selfishly and am highly dependent on others to get it, and generally lack agency about the direction of society anyway.
) My friends, whom I'm dependent on, have selfish needs as well and because they are them and I'm me, our needs can easily conflict.
) We're women, so our "perspective" = whatever the fuck we think we need or deserve right now.
) This leads to conflict, which gets resolved by creating massive irreconcilable drama that provokes men to get involved and just settle it for us.
So this is the secret formula to create kinographies such as Expedition 33? Why haven't other companies catch on yet?
If all videogames were like this, we would live in a golden era.
It's crazy how every word out of Verso's mouth is a lie
she could tweak verso to be happy in the ending if that's the case. There's nothing to suggest repainted people are modified.
PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, PIANO MAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Verso was right in the end, but he still deserves to be burned alive
Would have been interesting if the Maelle ending changed a bit depending on who you romanced, like if you fucked Lune Verso isn't as angry since he didn't get cucked.
Its a real thing in the US as well
timeanddate.com
People are just retarted, there's even a book about it. Its a common trope
amazon.es
What did Verso do to deserve anything bad?
They are copies from Maelle's memory. They aren't real just NPCs
No, she's from Paris. She says it in the Alicia epilogue when you interact with the manor exit door.
curious because only him seem to be aging in the finale, almost like she's torturing him
keeps the truth about the paintress hidden and fails to tell the expedition that if they succeed then everyone will die
doesn't pass on his sister's letter revealing the truth and pressing Maelle to find a third option that can fix everything
allows Gustave to die
unilaterally decides to destroy the world at the end of the game
The piano is the least that he deserves
keeps the truth about the paintress hidden
and fails to tell the expedition that if they succeed then everyone will die
If he did that, they wouldn't help him. What do you expect him to do?
doesn't pass on his sister's letter revealing the truth and pressing Maelle to find a third option that can fix everything
If he did that, Maelle wouldn't help him. What do you expect him to do?
allows Gustave to die
If he saved him, how would he be able to fuck Sciel and Lune? The previous Lion King must die for him to take over the pack.
unilaterally decides to destroy the world at the end of the game
It was the right thing to do.
Yeah, what the other guy said. Verso lied to fulfill his goals, and notwithstanding waiting like 20 more years for everyone to die so that Renoir can gather up enough Chroma, that was basically his only option to end the painting and literally and metaphorically let his soul rest.
It's pretty obvious the writers just didn't realize they were creating an existential crisis. They barely talk about it after the reveal. Even Lune is just like "lol Maelle is going to take me into a canvas within a canvs xD" like you're not going to question anything?
or their life just being fake and them being npcs.
Because they aren't. If you discovered god was real and he made you would you suddenly think you aren't real?
Lune act 3 is a copy.
real lune died in act 2
maelle is a shit paintress, she can't create only copy
my life is based on a crazy familys whim
who would just accept that
There's nothing that indicates that Lune and Sciel are fakes. Sciel and Lune have knowledge of Verso's sexual escapades which were relatively hidden from Maelle. So we can assume that Alicia acted quick enough and was able to grab the exact Chroma that formed Lune and Sciel and reformed them. Akin to tracing art.
There's nothing that indicates that Lune and Sciel are fakes.
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Even Lune is just like "lol Maelle is going to take me into a canvas within a canvs xD" like you're not going to question anything?
who would just accept that
They seen it all happen. But if you heard it would you suddenly let it invalidate every single relationship and experience in your entire life and just keel over and kill yourself, or not fight back when you have a method to defend your existence?
Be shut-in NEET
Accidentally burn your house, yourself and get your brother killed
Suffer horrifically for months while your burn scars heal (Few things more painful that that)
Probably still suffering daily because burned skin doesn't stretch like normal skin so every movement causes painful tears
Accept to help your dad "save" your mom out of shame
Fuck up
Be given a new life where you aren't crippled and with a father/brother figure who loves you dearly and gets you out of your shell and capable of making connections with people
Be asked to throw all of this away because "muh grief"
yeah nah son.
>Accidentally burn your house, yourself and get your brother killed
Only a woman would live through this and not kill herself.
She's using the slow poison type of death, cause she's dumb.
Why would that show they're fake? If YHVH's golden dome came down from the heavens and said "I created you" would you kill yourself because you no longer think you're real? Keep in mind, they live in a world where a giant woman has the power to delete humans en masse, who also birthed an entire species of monsters designed to kill humans.
Them being created by the Paintress is probably one of the least suprising things they could've learned. Verso's ex and the 60th figured it out, and neither seemed to go on a suicidal bender.
Lune and Sciel knowing about things Maelle never hears of (Verso sexo) is way more convincing than Lune accepting that she was a created being.
People live through WAY more than a fucking housefire.
I would kill myself even without YHVH. I just don't because I enjoy videogames too much.
If he did that, they wouldn't help him
that's not an excuse. it's like saying "if i didn't shoot him, he would have tried to stop me from stealing his car. what did you expect me to do, your honour?"
What would you do in his shoes?
i would never be in his position because i'm not a retard.
Yes, extremely bad things happen when you try and withhold information. If he knows that he is a painted character inside of a painted world, then he should be genre aware enough to understand what happens to fantasy characters when the MISUNDERSTANDING trope is perpetuated. Nothing good ever happens when this trope is invoked
How anyone could pick that Maelle ending after that finale is literally braindead.
It's the only good ending, because it continues the cycle of tragedy. Just deleting everything is retarded
I actually feel so vindicated for all my critiques of how this game approaches the grief and loss theme
there's all of us in the game, nothing left
So sequel cancelled got it.
pack it up boys, we lost
This makes Verso's ending so much shittier lol. The whole point of Verso's ending is to resolve the grief in the family.
No. The point of Verso's ending is that HE NEEDS TO PLAY THE PIANO! JUST PUT THE FINGERS ON THE KEYS, PIANO MAN!!!