Why didn't you save her, anon?

Why didn't you save her, anon?

No one did frenzied flame on their first playthrough, it's like finding darkstalker kaathe on you first dark souls run.

MELINA WHY DID YOU KILL YOURSELF JUST FOR ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

I don't care about women in the slightest

That was saving her, anon

She's fucking nothing as a character and i couldn't give a shit about her

It was easy to find though

You can use wiki though.

Best girl in any FROM game. Close second would be Yuria from ds3

Filtered

She is already dead

What kind of retard ruins their first playthrough by using a wiki? Playing souls games blind is the best part of the whole thing.

Who else jumped into the giant pit assuming that was how to progress?

Me. Because fuck these games, i like being prepared.

lol me I did the same thing

This was such a sad, wistful scene

Who?

Even the most diehard Elden Ring fan forgets she exists from time to time. She is easily the most forgettable maiden in the Souls series. She is extremely underutilized and one of the victims of the game having almost no narrative.

How is obtaining the Frenzied Flame and then removing it with the needle and then having 16 babies with Melina not unironically the objectively correct ending?

she's a cast off aspect of marika that embodied her compassion and her desire was to be a sacrifice to undo marikas hubris-driven mistakes. circumventing that is fucking with her character development. also anyone who trusts miquellas needle is a retard

Anon she takes the kids and leaves you if you dare go near the frenzy flame

Melina is the biggest fuckup in ER. The fact that so many people forget she exists at all during the game shows how they failed in her design. She simply doesn't appear often enough and doesn't speak to you often enough.

she's legit the worst take on the "ever present girl who levels you up" trope fromsoft has in their souls games. i was fucking baffled that she's never actually present in the roundtable hold (elden ring's firelink shrine/majula) either, despite being the one who takes you there.

It is really funny how much Souls fans champion the games being extremely vague with everything as being immersive and unique, and then every single one of those fuckers plays the game with a wiki tab open the entire time because otherwise you'll have no idea what the hell anything does.

She doesn't even have a physical form

Because the event still happened and the player is still tpuched by the Fingers

As far as level up girls go, she's objectively pretty good in that she has more than 5 lines of dialog and doesn't just stand in one place the entire game. But the problem is her being your "constant companion" ends up not getting as much attention as it deserves, especially in comparison to other characters like Ranni.
Because of how she's portrayed as being very important and then has a minor role in the end, there's a sense of dissonance that makes her feel worse off than she actually is.

She's not a tarnished, so they wouldn't let her in, probably.

the vagueness in itself isn't the point. the reason I'm willing to either miss a shitload of stuff on playthrough one or scroll through a wiki is because I'm willing to muddle through those aspects of the games to play something relatively mechanically dense that doesn't screech in my ear 24/7 with endless tutorials, npcs, ridiculous HUDs etc

Nice headcanon. Did Vaati tell you?
Waifuniggers seething

DS1's girl is much easier to forget. I'd bet there's a % of players that didn't even realize she existed.

She's a complete non-entity and by far one of the worst written characters in the game. It simply doesn't give you a reason to care for her, unlike god tier nigga Ansbach and other DLC characters.

Choices in Elden Ring are funneled the player has no say in anything.

Instead you're alt-tabbing and checking fextralife or whatever is the going wiki now for info every time you see something that otherwise you'd have no ability to intuit the function of on your own.

Nice headcanon. Did Vaati tell you?

zoomer brings up some youtube literallywho out of nowhere

mindbroken generation. i only interact with the game, fextra, and occasionally you autists.

She should've been a permanent Grace companion, popping up every time you sit at the Grace. Just having a few cute idle animations would've humanized her a lot.

id say the only things truly unintuitive are the optional character quests, and yes, id rather suffer through those than play most other AAA games.

Just making the player summon her to level up would have improved her role.

She is literally the grace that animates the player, and takes the player spirit in her hand out of the player vessel and brings it to Farum Azula by burning.
Melina never leaves the player, the game is just mysterious about it

i literally forgot she exists

I guess this is peak storytelling according to from fans

Can someone give this schizo some sedatives before he shits on the table again

comedy ain’t your thing lil bro

She isn't the Grace that animates the player. You are revived and can see Grace before you have any maiden, because being a Tarnished doesn't require you to have a maiden.
She channels runes to help you level up, but that is different from being the force that revived you. That one is Marika's.

I like that she makes secondaries seethe and leaves them confused because it's not meant to be a cheap feels side character but actually lore dumps you and has tons of visual imagery and unveiled asceticism 2 years before the DLC.

As if Miyazaki would stop being Miyazaki and make some gay dating sim

Correct takes. My first playthrough I made it to leyndell and she was all "I MUST LEAVE YOU NOW" and I totally forgot she existed at this point.

But i did

I did.

Frenzied flame is easy. Kaathe is like knowing the game in and out.

ruin

how is getting to experience more of the content ruining anything?
I don't give a shit about the mediocre story anyway, and I'm sure as hell not gonna replay a massive 100+ hours game to look for convoluted secrets. The descent to the three fingers was cool and I'm glad I got to it, also if I had played with player messages on it would have been trivial to find anyway

May chaos.... take... the WORLD

lil bro

diminutive yet not overtly hostile psuedo-insults like "buddy", "little guy" or "lil bro" are the most effeminate "I work in an office and can't say anything TOO offensive so I'll just coyly imply I'm bigger and better than you" style insults possible. You're psychologically 1 step removed from arguing like a histrionic young woman. Just call the guy a retard or a manlet or nigger or whatever, stop acting like a faggot who sources their canned dialog from tiktok

Melina tricks you and uses the Runes you collected to burn the Erdtree in a ritual

reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/1kefvrs/red_herrings_in_elden_rings_lore_are_intentional/

you’ll never stop me lil bro

There's no maiden, Melina and Torrent are seen right after the Chapel of Anticipation. Melina is literally a spirit ever since Marika burned the original Sacred Tree

I have alzheimers

therefore from bad tho

Imagine being so retarded that you don't find Darkstalker Kaathe on your first playthrough. Couldn't be me.

Melina takes over for the Finger Maiden you'd have probably gotten otherwise.
Marika did not burn the original tree.

then why do i still have 84 str and all my greatrunes after i go to farum azula
ok

Tricks you

Levels you up in exchange for runes

idk anon I still got what I wanted

Yeah she should’ve appeared every time you sat a grace, and did the fancy level-up speech every time you leveled up. That alone would’ve meant that people don’t forget she exists. And then you would actually feel her absence when you leaves you in Leyndell, then either dies or leaves forever later on.

Even better would be giving her more dialog. She has quite a few in Limgrave leading you to Stormveil, but after that she just stops. Even just one line of dialog about each new location, Liurnia open world, Raya Lucaria, Caelid, post-Radahn, she actually does have one line when you first reach Altus, and then more when you enter Leyndell. But for most players there’s hour and hours and hours between each one. So you forget about her. Same with mountains, she actually has quite a bit of dialog telling you to not worry about the kindling, and saying to let her do it. Then obviously you get multiple dialogs if you go towards Frenzy area.

Just being physically present at graces, and a little bit more dialog around Liurnia/Caelid would probably made her a fan favourite of entire series.

not on my watch

Yes she did, lorelet retard.
Leyndell is already covered in ash the Melina is already full of burn marks and bodyless as spirit, because she already burned a tree

I fight the fire giant then wrong warp to Farum Azula and keep Maliketh alive so technically I did save her

I'm doing my first playthrough now and decided to try to 100% all zones as I enter them. When I hit Leyndell it had been literally 150 hours since I saw her. I am also curb stomping every boss kek

Retard, Leyndell was besieged by multiple armies, including fucking Radahn. And it has a giant dragon still laying on top of it (I know it is from the pre-shattering period but that makes it not being cleaned up even more notable). The ash coming from any of that makes way more sense.
Not a single fucking person in the game talks about the tree ever being burnt down in the past. Melina's entire thing is burning the tree down. And several characters failed or quit when they tried to burn it down (Vyke and Bernahl in specific). Bosses like Morgott dedicate themselves to the tree and treat it as a permanent fixture in the world. People are either trying to burn the tree down for the first time or think that damaging it is impossible.

There is literally zero reason to think that the tree was ever burnt down in the past and no one fucking noticed.

No
No, Leyndell is covered in ash and wax because Melina burned the Sacred Tree.
Because Marika's ascension was illegitimate and reformed the Elden Ring

what game

Tears of The Kingdom

DOA extreme beach volleyball

Its covered in shit because it was a warzone. We see it getting besieged and bombarded with trebuchet fire and the like in the opening cinematic.
Marika's ascension wasn't 'legitimate', in that its implied she somehow fucked over the Hornsent. Maybe in the form of some ritual she decided to go off the rails on. But she was genuinely chosen by the Fingers/Meytr.

I did! By accident!

No, it's covered in ash, and with wax all over doors and windows, because Marika burned the old Sacred Tree

She explicitly does not want to be saved, and retards like
doomed her and the world instead because they got psyop'd by Shabriri

I did, she's one ungrapeful peach

You were right all along.

I did. I made up my mind as soon as she threatened me. I was hoping I would get to kill her.

she's not blue

What does wax have to do with Marika burning a previous tree (never happened btw)?

Yes, more explicitly, Melina who burned the original Sacred Tree, feels guilty about the state of the Lands Between, and sees choosing a fitting Lord as her redemption arc
Miriel says the same in a different way

You are too low IQ for Souls games I think

My true mentor.

She could have been more effective and popular if she had more to do. like riding around on the horse with the player. and had a wife option like Ranni (also keep the Milli/Malenia option to)

She wouldn't like that

Wax was historically used to keep ash out

can't explain

First post in the thread, already can't back up his claims.

Retard

This is a common symptom of autism. It's a shame that your anxiety of the unfamiliar prevents you from experience vidya without a mental roadmap. You're condition is causing you to miss out on the best part of single player games.

Anon, since always FROM hid dev items so their average hack could beat the game, at this point it's customary to play a slopsoul game with a wiki by your side.

She burnt the tree and literally no one noticed?
And we burn a hologram that regardless still makes a thousand tons of ash?

The early days of lorefagging when people thought that Melania was a totally different character based on scattered leaks were fun.
The DLC really made her even more bereft of interesting characterization.

I did all endings in first playthrough

LORD OF THE GAME

So people just sealed themselves inside houses for centuries?

The DS1 girls don't present themselves. Melina does.

removing it with the needle

You're not removing anything, you just keep it contained, like Malenia was doing with her own needle.

All you had to do was go down the Leyndell sewer your first playthrough, which I did, and got the ending as you said no one did, idiot

Game wouldn't let me. I did frenzied flame and cured myself after burning the funny tree, but the game doesn't know what to do with that. That's the point where it was irrefutably clear that the story in this game is complete dogshit (I was still holding on to some cope up until that point despite the fact that every questline ends the same way)

Stumbling blindly in the dark is good though!

Nah. Miss me with that shit. I had my share of that with retarded NES games and rubbish like Kings Quest. I don't need your obscure "rub every wall and hope to find gold but mostly find hours worth of pointless wall rubbing".

Obviously the game accounted for what you did, because it let you do that and provided the mechanical interactions necessary.

I literally never finished the game because I got bored.
Since ER released I have reinstalled every DaS game and replayed it and had fun all the way.

Nope. Nothing of the sort. It's a dead end action that doesn't acknowledge your choices or actions at all and carries on as though Malenia burned herself.

Summertime Saga 3D

Similar. I beat fire giant and was just too bored to continue. Tried replaying it earlier this year and I didn't even get that far before getting bored again. The world lacks an interesting premise or lore and while some dungeons are fun the regurgitated crypts get really fucking stale fast.

I did it by accident and didn't rest at the grace right before the door, so Melina never warned me against it. She just called me a faggot and left

miss out on the best part of single player games

what's that, missing entire parts of a game and never knowing about them until you see someone else online talking about them?
I got over the "DUUUUUUDE SECRETS ARE SO COOL" phase a long time ago, and as I said I wasn't gonna play through this game multiple times.
Sorry for not respecting Myiazaki-san's vision I guess

She warns you at the first sewer grace as well, retardanon.

She is the Gloam Eyed Queen. She will stab you even in the good endings.

are you sure

burns the Erdtree

minor role

DS1's girl

Who?

I did frenzied flame on first playthrough, but forgot to activate miquellas needle in farum azula.
Did it properly my second playthrough

it was easy to find though

Not really, the only entrance is a well in a debris field in east leydell.
Dung eater was a necrophiliac and would desecrate his victims who live in death.
"I'm getting frenzied flame for the forge to save u~"

people didnt go to every single church in the map to listen to her nonsensical lore babble every time

Couldn't be me.

I LITERALLY, as in two nights ago, finished the catacombs/sewer content. If she doesn't chat you up at the underground road grace it's the other one. She 100% does warn you twice though

You can clearly see the previous tree at the base of the current Erdtree bruh.

RIGHTEOUS
TARNISHED

Ansbach is up there with Laurentius as top tier bros by fromosft

Melina is meant to be a non-assuming but mysterious character that only makes sense after you have seen the Chaos ending, found all the lore stuff regarding the GEQ and listened to all her speeches with this knowledge in mind.

We took her spirit to the volcano but we didnt throw her in.

I used the wiki cause to find rykards dungeon (hidden wall in volcano manor), needing to beat castle sol for the haligrag tree (melenia) for the lift of rold, rannis quest is self explanatory, but there's ways to activate radadhn festival and get to nokron without going to rennas rise, and so the wiki saves you like 5 hours of back tracking sofria river, and some people miss the valiant gargoyles. I never even encountered the ball bearing hunter until my 3rd playthrough at a merchant during night. So the game has a lot of added secrets.
It would be cool if they added a boss gladiator mode for the colosseum.

Missing secrets during blind playthroughs is perfectly normal and enjoyable. A neurotypical person doesn't need to experience literally every single piece of content for a game to feel completed. This is not the "we need to sell prima guides" game design era anymore where progressing the main story requires arbitrary actions in an arbitrary location so hitting the credit screen for any given title without having your hand held is easily doable. The achievement autism you wrestle with is your own character flaw that needn't be Anon Babble's cross to bear.

As a charismatic personality.

You see a slit of normal wood by the door into the tree.
It isn't a stump.

neurotypical

Euphemism for shit eating normies.

Media illiterate cope.

lord of blasphemy that wants to destroy the tree has blasphemous paintings of the tree being destroyed

Stunning. This proves that the tree was burnt and literally no one noticed.

find a way to catch on fire so you can save her

I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HATE YOU SO MUCH THAT I'M GOING TO FIND YOU AND MURDER YOU AND ALSO YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY HOLY SHIT I HATE YOU SO FUCKING MUCH

Ungrateful bitch.

hurr durr derp derp

despite 35% of players beating Mogh...

saved her from burning herself from the frenzied flame

burn the tree

piss her off

uses miquella's needle

cuck her with Ranni

That's what you get for "focusing on yourself and career" you selfish bitch

play up to defeating Margit

learn that Melina has to die to continue

stop playing

Simple as. She's the only character I really care for in the whole game, so if she's out, I'm out as well.

after my first BBH encounter I've always been doing night runs since I wanna fight everything

Nice headcanon, fag

I just like fire, it's that simple. They gave me an option to make everything fire. Everything will be fire.

ER is stuck in an awkward middle ground where the player is at 25% anime mode but the bosses go from 10-75% anime mode which makes it feel like you're playing a different game than them.
If Elden Ring's player combat upgrades were backported to DS3, that would be fantastic because that game has a similar level of 'animeification'.

Hello scum mage imfa or whatever that name was.

How is the player 25% anime if there are hundreds of weapon arts that let you fly around and a ton of spells that turn the whole screen blue?

That is the 25% anime.
If you could launch across the arena blasting glowing swords or juggle a hollow, it'd get upgraded.