Heals you with every hit

heals you with every hit

only downside is one less rocket in the chamber

So what's wrong with it? Genuine question.

With four rockets, you can rocket jump in, two-shot a light class, and have a rocket to jump out with.
With the BB you need to spend time reloading to do that, which could make a difference between living and dying.

Its shit because if you play soldier well you wont need the heal from a hit to kill and survive.
And losing 25% of your damage before you have to reload is very bad when Soldier reloads one shot at a time, slowly.

It's too good with the buff banner, you can shoot things right in front of your face and generally the damage that you heal will make the damage you take negligible. If you just jump around on the front line shooting at literally fucking everything at less than <2m away, you'll heal more than you do to yourself in splash damage AND you can still rocket jump away with that health savings.

The reload time is negligible if you consider that it turns Soldier into the best melee class in the game, even better than demoknight, by just jumping like a retard and pressing M1

Basically forces you to stick to your team since you can no longer play the roamer playstyle reliably due to what said
That's not necessarily a bad thing (doubly so with banners to coordinate pushes), but killing a medic before he builds uber by rocket jumping behind enemy lines has a lot of value you miss out on

Then

healed a flat +25 hp if a pixel of your explosion touched someone

Now

relies on damage dealt

With that downside, it would only be worth using if it was broken.

Cow Mangler won

Unironically his best melee

1 less rocket.

One less rocket effectively cuts your overall DPS down by 25% so you've only got 2 rockets to kill before you need to reload. Doesn't make the weapon overpowered or anything, it's a worthy trade-off but you really feel that one less rocket sometimes.

the damage that you heal will make the damage you take negligible

not going to happen unless you're playing against shitters, best case scenario you will survive a 1v1 but you won't have enough health to initiate the next battle immediately

inb4 don't get hit to have enough hp left

might as well just use stock in that case

Not when the whip still has eyelander range and can hit people behind you. Scouts will get too close to you and die to the whip almost consistently.

in general it gets lost since Soldier has a shit ton of good melees, but yeah
in pure damage terms this one is very much underappreciated

no crits

deals less damage to buildings

doesn't need ammo

can disable buildings

minicrits and deals afterburn

Basically no downsides with a great way to disrupt entire teams, and it had 5 shots when it came out and charged shots crashed servers, best weapon ever

I was charging the picture sorry

You pair this with a shotgun and you can usually take care of the engie and sentry by yourself unless its a really turtle heavy map

But it's not fashionable, I need to equip the Righteous Bison otherwise it just looks weird.

be me

2018

tell friend of 5 years soldier is easy because of splash damage

blocks me for a month, friendship dies afterwards

this soldier shit gets serious

It used to be good pre nerf when it healed for 15 hp for every enemy hit regardless of damage dealt. It actually healed you and could heal more if you hit multiple enemies. So you could play soldier without pocket medic.
Now the healing is too fucking little to make up for reduced clip size. Healing is capped at 20 hp every rocket and you need to do minimum of 90 damage to heal 20. Hit multiple enemies? Fuck you. 20hp. Grazed enemy? 5 hp.
It's simple math. Use Conch if you are desperate for self healing. Or battalions backup which just gives you permanent 20 max hp. Far better than mediocre healing of conch or blackbox which you'll usually heal by running to a medkit anyway because their healing is too fucking slow.

Direct hit and buff banner if you have a very big penis

So what's wrong with it? Genuine question.

One less rocket in the chamber.

BB is a decent side-grade. Now pic rel on other hand...

Black box is a crutch, the people who have to use it need to or they’ll die, simple as

Nothing it's situational

Getting pocketed

Battalion's backup or shotgun

Need to rocket jump a lot

Gunboats

Need to hold an area without heals

Black box and conch

holding an area with less ammo loaded

you'll be walked all over by the first demo, heavy or other soldier you come across

3 rockets is more than enough to win a 1v1 with anything that isn't an overhealed heavy plus you should be camping the pack effectively boosting your health to 300 + BB/Conch heals

Eh I guess if you want to trolldier but also want to deal damage with rockets? idk

Less damage to engineer buildings and no random crits are all huge downsides. You sacrifice your amazing anti building damage and 2-12% chance to instagib people randomly for:

infinite reserve ammo

You have 24 already. You'll be lucky to shoot all your rockets before you die. Even if you live long enough for ammo to matter you'll constantly restore it thanks to random player corpses and ammo packs around.

meme charge against players

Play sniper or something. There are far better options if you want to get cheap corner peak kills.

meme charge against buildings

Equip direct hit. It 2 shots buildings. Probably the best sentry busting weapon overall.

These used to be so much fun pre-nerf.

I've never seen a black box bab hit 3 directs in a row, don't lie

90% of the weapons used to be fun pre-nerf. The only ones which escaped and I still love are Holiday Punch and Widowmaker.

this is the most fun rocket launcher.

load 3 rockets

peek corner

shoot

load 3 rockets

soldier running at the speed of a scout one shooting almost everyone

I don't care how unbalanced it was being it back. I don't care if I'm not playing too.

Anon Babble thinks soldier is op but also want his unlocks to get unnerfed

demoman is and has always been more OP than soldier ever was
not that osldier isnt op mind you
but dmeoman blows him out of the water, both figuratively and literally, in terms of being OP

The self-damage buff turned it into "I want to be Trolldier but not commit" which is something at least.
Soldier and Engie probably has the most consistant primaries that range from great to okay.

but dmeoman blows him out of the water

until a gunboats soldier divebombs him from the skybox

It would be if they either removed the random deviation or the reduced splash radius.

So what's wrong with it? Genuine question.

downside is one less rocket in the chamber

It really doesn't heal that much health for the amount of extra time you waste reloading

Running the Liberty Launcher with the Reserve Shooter was some of the best fun I had as a Soldier, jump around, throw people in the air and minicrit them, jump back to safety

It's OP but only when paired with a shotgun and if you can aim with it.

Kill light class.

With your rocket jump.

and if you can aim

so not for most soldier players

from the skybox

How naive of you to think that I don't have my stickies up there. Nothing personal.

Ive only ever wanted the quake rocket launcher

It's a really good rocket launcher when you pair it Battalions. Buff banner can really make you pop off as well. When roaming or low on medics you can take Concheror and it works out pretty well.

any additional weapon was unneeded and they are all garbage

The Original Vs Rocket Launcher
Discuss

Original for rocket jumping
Stock for corner peeking to right

original has a harder time shooting around corners at nests but the rocket shooting from center is easier for aiming against moving targets. its maybe the only balanced weapon

the only balanced weapon is a weapon that has the most niche and inconsequential changes

thanks for proving that balance is boring and lame

balance is pretty boring. Ill always use the deus ex rifle on sniper just because getting the rare double kill is fun

Original is the penis launcher, therefore it's the only option because it means that you're killing enemies with your penis

sounds kinda gay since theres no women in the game

stock from the left vs stock from the center

the point is that they're better than the other options by a mile

It sure is gay if you die to it

Pyros a woman lad

honestly why did they change it from just one less rocket in the clip for faster rocket speed
it was literally one of the least problematic weapons in all of tf2

The fact that my boy will never be buffed in any way to compensate for how much better every other class has gotten in the updates makes me sad desu

Both his secondary and melee slot has upgrades. If anythng the problem is that the classes that never needed buffing end up getting buffs via unlocks anyway.

scout was never buffed

are you kidding me? scout got so many broken unlocks over the years. They had to nerf them all because it turned out giving the 133% movespeed class with a double jump who already had two-shot capability on 8 of the classes and is generally considered to be the best 1v1 class in the game didn't need a buff.

the scout was already buffed indirectly by allowing the medic to match his speed

What about not playing like a girl? This is a common occurrence with Soldiers, they run away the moment they feel danger, always peaking corners and jumping away, with the CM5K you can stay on the battleground as long as you don't get killed, a well landed charged shot destroys low health classes and puts everyone else in danger, the chargeshot is like a telesapper, disrupting a sentry barely does anything while playing solo but often you are surrounded by a team and working together to get it down, once it gets sapped the rest can take care of it easily.
Dealing afterburn breaks the team formation and can be done at any range, so you can safely dodge shots while the enemy team scrambles.

I'll never forgive compfags for destroying the sandman, I still use it out of spite, I always land the shots, the damage is stupidly low but it's so satisfying.

you can only kill like one guy at a time

What's the melee upgrade? The Atomizer?

Or the Wrap Assassin.

You're not using your melee as a scout. Not if you're playing seriously.

your post was written by ChatGPT it's literally pointless to argue with you lol

Stock Scout is among the best classes in the game, just buff some of his shitty unlocks like Sandman and Sun-on-a-Stick

What's a good loadout to have if I want to ensure the guy I'm playing again isn't going to have fun? Any class.

Pretty much only run pipes as demo

If i so much as get grazed by the splash damage he basically has 300 health

Self healing weapons were a mistake

camps your spawn

why did he do it ?

to fill in the hole

I like reskins like the capper

all scout really needs "buffs" wise is the BFB which needs like one variable slightly raised and the Sandman which should just make enemies marked for death

scouts otherwise fine, low equip rate does not necessarily mean weapons are bad. Some will never be anything other than dogshit and thats because valve really loves to add shit that doesnt need to be in the game

How do you counter this?
Note: He has two medics on him at all times and rocketjumps away if a situation doesn't favor him 100%.

airblast

short circuit

Wow, so hard. People who think he's as broken as Sniper are disingenuous faggots.

Why is it banned in comp? People just wouldn't use it if it sucked.

pyro that can rub two brain cells together (ie. airblast/m2) or a vac med with explosion resist

Why is it banned in comp?

stop lying fag, it's allowed in all 6v6 leagues

inb4 abloo

go to whitelist.tf and report back with your findings

Sun-on-a-Stick

Even that's an upgrade on stock.

no? it has a -25% damage penalty, meaning you go from 35 to 26
it fucks up a lot of breakpoints

Started trying rocket jumping more seriously the other day after a thread here
jump_academy2 has been fun, still can't do shit past the easy maps on the rest of the categories but pogo has been fun and actually managed to make progress even in the hard stage of that.
Jumping out of walls and keeping speed is impossible though.

is the hardest class to play

make a argument for why he is not

First 2 rockets miss

Third hits a minisentry for 5 damage

phlog + scorch shot if your in a valve server be sure to get the med to uber you for extra salt.

You're not using your melee as a scout if playing seriously. Your scattergun is far better at close range. So lower melee damage can be ignored as a downside.

Meanwhile Sun-on-a-Stick gives a fire damage resist. Which applies to afterburn. So every time a pyro catches you on fire the sun-on-the-stick can be the difference between dying and not dying after the fight. How significant an upside this is may be debateable. But you will none the less make more use out of it than a melee you aren't going to be using anyway.

Unless of course there is no pyro in the game. In any case Atomizer and Wrap Assassin are better anyway.

because compfags hate the game
next question

just aim lmao

Backscatter is a direct upgrade for scout.

b-but my 6 meatshots!!!

You can kill most classes in 2-3 meatshot.

b-but inacccuracy

Get closer lmao

mandatory requirement to be in a certain position of the enemy to get the most damage

If you aren't in a quantum superposition around your enemy or a master of ADAD you ain't playin' Scout right

gunboats don't work if your rocket hits another enemy at the same time

Random crits you and your medic butt-buddy

Just means you take more damage from your jump. You're healing with the black box as it is.

How do you counter this?

stop playing 2fort nigger

piss sniper or vacc medic

Bad Box soldiers are built to feed minigun killstreaks

scout is a fucking monster and he's only held back by engie spam and his high skill floor

The only issue scout has are nerfs to BFB and Bonk that cuck him on Dustbowl and similar maps compfags don't touch