Why the fuck is cannibalism considered "evil"...

Cooperation with someone who sees you as a potential food source is an inherently dicey proposition. If shit gets bad, you need to know they'll actually try and help instead of bashing you in the back of the skull and chopping you into steaks.

There's also all the health problems associated with cannibalism.

In a post-nuclear feudal society where food is scarce

You literally see farms in New Vegas and get involved in a beef supply chain dispute.
Being a cannibal in Fallout is a deliberate choice.

Ever cultured civilization EVER shunned cannibalism, that alone tells you why its bad. It makes eevryone around you a predator which is deathblow to any tribal society.

Murdering innocent people is certainly inexcusable

Don't attempt to justify cannibalism if you're a moralfaggot who has a problem with murder and believe in good and evil. You're not the guy.

why cannibalism bad

it's just a run of the mill taboo man, there's no logic behind it
obviously you'd eat humans in a pinch
but you wouldn't eat it regularly because people are too valuable to just kill for meat

Prions? Benefits? LOL

Letting the 3rd world online was a mistake.

even the real-world cannibal tribes eat man-meat mainly in a religious or spiritual context and it makes them sick if they mishandle it (very easy to do), what's the point of the fedora tip with "okay, WHY is it bad???"

it doesn't change anything in a tribal settings because other tribes are always kill on sight

It's not that deep, senpai. If you're a good person you deserve to live in peace and be happy. If you're a murderous scumbag you deserve to die, get butchered and be eaten.

If you don't want me to kill and eat you, don't be a cunt. Simple.

There seems to be an never ending supply of geckos, rad scorpions, and other critters in the games, why would anyone ever need to resort to cannibalism?

The main reason the place is a wasteland in the first place is because people degenerated to beyond cavemen levels of retarded thanks to conflicts

YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST DEGENERATE IT FURTHER BY MAKING ONIONS GREEN i swear if this gay ass fucking filter hits me again i'm going to make beans the next dominant species on earth

anon it's been 200+ years since the nukes dropped, 250+ years since the fuel crisis. People are not getting better and that's not because the place is in ruins, you have shit like Vault City, New Vegas, Oil Rig, The Institute, and nothing changes. It's not the wasteland that makes the rules, its the people that makes the wasteland, you don't need to force cannibalism, Fallout isn't an absolute emergency survival situation as a whole.

I get that humans eating each other is an understandable taboo, but it's the fucking wasteland, man

It's a slippery slope. Even at the worst of times, you need to maintain some form of rules
Look outside your window and tell me taboos aren't important.

this thread

That's because they don't know how to safely butcher and prepare it. They're third-worlders without our advanced sanitation and preparation skills.

In Fallout, mankind is much more resilient to disease and illness due to mutated genetics and advanced medical tech.

Not every situation would necessitate cannibalism, but occasionally you'd run into a problem where you're miles from a civilized settlement, and the only edible thing is the raider you just killed for trying to rape your wife.

I look like Bobby Hill.

It desensitizes people to the sanctity of human life
If the answer to easily get more food is "kill those around you", civilization has no chance

i like this raider cannibalism scenario requiring you and your wife are both retards who are miles from a civilized settlement (traveling) and don't have any rations or other food on them

In a post-nuclear feudal society where food is scarce

That's just it. Food ISN'T scarce.

In a post-nuclear feudal society

It's a post post-nuclear society. Villages and towns exist and before the show bombed it the NCR in it's core regions had something close to a pre bombing society.

vore thread

now this

They're prepping up for war famines

we can blame bethesda for not actually understanding what's going on with fallout

fallout 3 and 4 arrive

everywhere is dirty and full of random rusted metal spires for no reason

the show

Not canon.

What happens a week from now when you're out of food again and the choices are starve or eat your wife?

Made up stuff so Rothschild won't get any competition in the eating kids field

All the people in the thread arguing that human life is so precious and the bond between humans is so important that defiling the sanctity of it by consuming flesh is unacceptable, even in a nightmare hellscape world.

That's actually beautiful, you guys. Holy shit. I love shitposting but occasionally I see something that genuinely gives me hope for humanity.

Delicious, delicious humanity...

I eat OP's mom every night.

I thought they no longer did Supersize meals

See this rather simply, anon:
If you knew the guy next to you was a Cannibal, would you feel safe when you ran out of supplies?

If you're still miles away from civilization with no food after a week you deserve to die for being an idiot. Fucking up once and getting into that situation is understandable. Continuing to fuck up after is just natural selection.

Because crossing that line implies a change in mentality in people that will have disastrous consequences for the rebuilding of a civilization that doesn't suck nigger ass

Murdering innocent people is certainly inexcusable, but

it's the fucking wasteland, man! Standards should be a lot lower.

I wouldn't wanna eat someone I loved or cared about

Pick a side, faggot.

It's annoying they don't understand people would try to rebuild.

yeah the whole "cannibalism is a necessity" angle implies everything is so far gone there's no hope of recovery, it's not zombie apocalypse shit where it's an excuse for rednecks to do donuts in the walmart parking lot and blind-fire into crowds all day and not get in trouble

I don't understand why Bethesda couldn't have just set fallout 3 after the bombs fell, instead of 200 years after.

WAHHHHHH WHY CAN'T I EAT PEOPLE EVIL PEOPLE NEED TO BE IN MY TUMMY WAHHHHH

This thread lol

ummm where did the ncr get that bitumen to repave the roads if there was an oil shortage pre-war?

I'd kill him and eat him first before he could get me.

wait

wait okay I see the problem. This is that whole "functioning society" thing we're talking about, right? Yeah, that makes sense.

That looks amazing by Fallout society standards, but like shit for regular standards. I like it a lot.

WEEEEEELL HE AIN'T MY BOY BUT THE BROTHER IS HEAVY

If we ran out of supplies wouldn't that mean we'd both die anyway?

You still got eachother, anon.

I don't recall justifying myself
We're reaching low trust enough societies that nobody will care where the meat comes from, what's happening now in this thread is nothing if not posturing about morality. A thing that will vanish when they all go hungry.

I don't recall justifying myself

Bethesda just can't into timelines. You see similar issues all over their other games if you squint. I remember watching some Skyrim retrospective a while back and you'd be surprised how many quests are apparently following up on a trail that's been cold for, like, a decade and is suddenly picking up because the player character happens to exist in the vicinity now.

*detriments.
I fucked up.

Look up prions

I did, they don't seem related to cannibalism in any way.

It ain't me, I'm too busy munching on bone marrow right now to have made that post

Vault City is a great place to live in 2

It's a really simple ideology. If you're a good person, you should be protected and left alone. If you're a bad person, you lose any right to complain about poor treatment. If you wanna act like a degenerate animal, you'll be treated as one.

IE "Do unto others as you'd have done to you."

Obviously though, you get a moral problem there too, where you run into the "ends justify the means/no bad tactics, only bad targets" fallacy. The kind that makes you as evil and shitty as the shitbag fucking raiders you blow to pieces.

You have to draw a line somewhere. Eating other humans is a pretty good line. But I'm still rolling cannibal in all my runs because it's metal as fuck and also funny.

That one was me, not him. I'm OP.

What if you folded it correctly can you eat it then?

you are what you eat, you evil cannibal

If you wanna act like a degenerate animal, you'll be treated as one.

So it's fine to eat a cannibal and a cannibalism family for enabling/not stopping him

I guess I'm a little pussy then :^)

Eat a man

I am a man

Eat a potato

I'm a potato

Avellone and Bethsuda both hate the idea of a world rebuilding itself after a nuclear apocalypse and thinks that everything should stay as sticks and stones forever despite the first 2 games and New Vegas showing that the world was having some sort of semblance of normalcy again, especially with the OWB DLC in NV with the Big MT tech being used to improve everyone's lives in the Mojave.

If you're a good person, you should be protected and left alone.

Why?

the karma system always sucked in fallout games, faction rep and a global rep system would be a much better replacement

fucked up that you eat kittens...

all these arguments

Just give the bum water and be good again jeez

Nope. Under this logic you'd have to actively kill another human to justify being killed and eaten yourself. Taking a passive role while someone else does it would naturally lead only justify a more mild punishment

In fairness, the further civilization advances and rebuilds, the further you get away from Fallout. Eventually you reach a point where you're just Star Trek.

Short answer: Good people are good.
Long answer: It's good policy for society to incentivize and reward good behavior for the further progression of society, and to punish bad behavior.

I actually liked it a lot in Fallout 3 despite its glaring problems. The game did a really good job giving you different content for a good and evil playthrough. You always got to see something different and interact with different NPCs. That's the kind of thing I like for a good/evil system, rather than necessarily the philosophy behind it.

In NV it was pretty much a useless holdover, which was a bummer because in almost every other way that game is way better.

the guy even looks like a cannibal

Good people are good.

Says who? You?
Would you consider an old woman feeding stray cats a good person? I'd consider her bad for inviting more invasive species and prolonging street animals mating.

Back in the day it was also seen as "the line that separates man from beast" and instances where cannibalism was the last resort (usually shipwreck survivors) frequently saw people starve to death rather than be judged a cannibal even posthumously

Says who?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Eating another person is retarded. So much more extra work unless you just eat them raw and even then you'll be hungry in a few hours.

morality is arbitrary, and that's okay

what a sweet old man, having fun with the pigeons, i bet he's a good man

NOOOOO HE'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE PLAGUE-CARRYING PIGEONS! HE'S ACTUALLY A BAD PERSON!

This is how you sound like.

Look up prions

I did

they don't seem related to cannibalism in any way.

You didn’t do a very good job.

In fairness, the further civilization advances and rebuilds, the further you get away from Fallout. Eventually you reach a point where you're just Star Trek.

That would actually be a cool game that isn't Outer Wilds or whatever its called, an actual sequel series showing that humanity has persevered and are now conquering space. Besides that they can just make games that takes place during the first 200 years after the world got nuked before the first Fallout game.

making assumptions is stupid unless I'm making them

Yeah, okay.

I like for a good/evil system, rather than necessarily the philosophy behind it.

yeah its not a bad idea in and of itself, more of my problem is when it feels like the devs are making a moral judgement of your actions. It kinda skews how you and fans see them vs say, a global reputation based on the views of the society in the game. Like how in F2 most people won't want to associate with you if you're a slaver or child killer because the vast mjaority of people see it as evil vs the devs saying "slavery bad." That in and of itself isn't a hot take these days but maybe getting karma feedback through quest decisions would be a better example

In NV it was pretty much a useless holdover, which was a bummer because in almost every other way that game is way better.

yeah thats what I was thinking of when I wrote that initially, in NV it was very abitrary at times with some people having good karma or neutral despite being evil in the eyes of most of society or you earning good karma through innocuous stuff like killing ghouls

i bet he's a good man

Why? He probably enjoys feeding pigeons, he's just entertaining himself. If he didn't enjoy it, do you think he'd be out there making sure a random amount of the pigeon population are fed?

mad cow disease was related to putting cow bone meal in their feed
that was a prion disease that came about from the proteins within the bone meal, some of which were folded, and they began folding other proteins like themselves, causing the prion disease

having fun with the pigeons

Playing with animals is not productive
Not being productive is bad
Therefore the old man is bad
Also he's old so he should die anyway because the elderly contribute nothing

"DAMNIT, BOBBY!"

man is good because he feeds pigeons

meanwhile he beats his wife and grandkids at home

but le heckin animals

They're all baseless without any real information.
He took time out of his day to feed some local pigeons, probably because he had nothing else better to do.
I think you're a bad person.

Jesus was a hypocrite who had women and children killed because men hurt his feelings.

he beats his wife and grandkids at home

HOW do you know that?
How do you know they aren't all dead already?

Cannibalism is bad, it's just to what "degree" it's bad. Eating a murderer you killed in self defense isn't as bad as murdering an innocent person to eat them, but you still disrespected the sanctity of human life and the natural rights of man by doing it.

Generally, I would avoid it if you can at all, because it's not a good thing to do. I'm not exactly going to cry over you making Meat Pies out of a serial rapist but opening the door to the idea that "if you're judged to be bad enough it's okay to eat you" is a really bad idea and can lead to some awful shit.

You also don't want people to eat and crave human meat, because then they'll want to find more excuses to get it. It's the kind of thing you shouldn't incentivize.

I would never eat anyone else.
Largely because I don't have the balls to actually butcher their meat, but because I just do not want to. I'd probably be a lot more malicious in life if I simply bothered to do so.

Fuck, I'm lazy.

Oh my god, are you serious?
THAT's the connection? Fucking mad cow disease?
Ffs occasionally eating another person is not the same as multi-generation breeding with terrible food. Even if cannibalism wasn't evil it's not like you'd be able to practice it often given that humans are the deadliest animal on earth.
Do you eat many lions and tigers you fucking retard?

Cannibalism is gay and animalistic. If man partakes in animalistic activities, then he is no longer a man but a beast, and beasts get put down.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

eating the flesh of fallen humans is easily one of the most efficient ways to ensure a stable food supply.

As opposed to the livestock still around? That's some niggerbrain logic.

humans are the deadliest animal on earth.

Nope. That's the mosquito.

No seriously, they got us beat by a couple million.

humans are the deadliest animal on earth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

The outbreak likely started when a villager developed sporadic Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease and died. When villagers ate the brain, they contracted the disease and then spread it to other villagers who ate their infected brains.

I forgot how low IQ the retards on this site are ffs.
Yeah they ate an INFECTED human.
They would have also died if they ate an INFECTED chicken. You fucking retard holy shit.

i am watching people argue about whether or not cannibalism is good or bad for you, psychologically or physically

Oh you think you'll get to eat human meat? No no, that's only for the Enclave elites at the WEF in their comfy vaults. You'll be eating bug paste and filling the calorie deficit with corn syrup.

You'll be eating bug paste

why would you do that with so many mole rats and lizards around

Because those have to be trapped or farmed, but bugs can just germinate in an area with absolutely no care or support. They don't taste good and aren't good for you, but they require no cost or effort to raise and turning them into a staple meal allows you to severely reduce the resource usage of the lower classes, further increasing your own splendor and security at the expense of quality of life for millions of others.

bugs don't have to be caught

I get that humans eating each other is an understandable taboo, but it's the fucking wasteland, man! Standards should be a lot lower.
ou'll be eating bug paste

It's the difference between

Laying out an animal trap and waiting for a creature to take the bait

vs

Shoving a handful of worms into a mason jar.

This is assuming we're talking about regular bugs, and not big ass Fallout bugs. In that case, Molerat would be better anyway.

You're schzioposting as a joke, I'm sure, but in the Fallout universe Vault-Tec actually was working on creating a gelatinous nutrition paste that could be used as a neverending source of slop to keep people fed for long periods. It looked and tasted disgusting but it was endless and cost nothing. Though prolonged exposure to it turned people into fucking pink ghouls.

Basically, goyslop.

If someone trustworthy approached me and offered me a dish made with human meat I would eat it without a second thought.