Well?

Well?

I like Steam. If they want to topple Steam, then I wish them good luck.

Okay, make a better alternative then.

most promising

Steam is good for the consumer, not necessarily the devs/publisher. And that's a good thing! I would much rather my game distro be good for me and people like me than someone else.

That would be capitalism chud, and we can't have that, give me your stuff.

Absolute rule is fine when the ruler is capable and mostly benevolent.

they're right there with costco on a list of powerful private corporations I'm okay with

That's retarded. If you don't want to put your game on steam, then don't. It's that easy. How does it benefit people to have to search through 12 different game stores to find the game they want? sound like these fags just want more money, very communism

"Workers must unite to topple Steam"

What the fuck does this mean? We know they're not talking about making a better alternative because if they could, they would. Timmy S. tried to break Steam and did it by throwing a retarded amount of money at people and he still failed.

So what does this mean?

Doesn't GOG already exist?

Enough times that it was written before Anon Babble was hacked.

"I myself ascribe to the accelerationist view that the only way to achieve better conditions is to enter crises which underline the contradictions of society and force us to remake the world," says Gavrilović. "Now, after tens of thousands of layoffs, the time seems right for game developers to stand up for their rights against systemic greed."

Then again, maybe I'll take that back. Gavrilović says he's "eagerly awaiting a second crisis, one which would spotlight the largest structural issue in game development - the fact that one third of all PC revenue from all developers (from indies to AAA) is syphoned to digital fiefdoms."

Digital fiefdoms like who, you ask, as if you don't already know the answer? "Valve is the most egregious example," says Gavrilović. He hopes for a future where devs, not digital feudal lords, have more power, "but I lack the imagination to envision the replacement of Valve with a community owned alternative. That 'winter castle' will not fall as easily, but we should at least start openly discussing alternatives."

He's referencing the storming of the Winter Palace and the dissolution of the widely loathed provisional government during the Great October Socialist Revolution. Is Gabe Newell a modern Alexander Kerensky? Will he be defended to the last by a Women's Battalion of Death when the games worker red guards storm Bellevue? The answer, of course, is yes.

But Summer Eternal is starting small—hoping to start a prairie fire with a single spark—by setting itself up as a co-op and, in at least Gavrilović's case, trying to unionise other devs. "It’s true, Summer Eternal will not fix the games industry," says Klindžić "although as a byproduct of our operation we might generate a panacea for agriculture, astronomy, inaccurate bus timetables, those hoax messages that target your mom, local elections, and syphilis."

Stop. Talking. About. Things. That. make. leftroons. look. retarded.

of course steam takes a cut, it's the largest and most well-known platform to release a game on, you're paying steam for presenting your game to millions of people, how do they not get it?

just make your own bank, goy. It’s freeeedom

also this, the investor Jew is butthurt Gaben refuses to allow public investors, hence why that Congressman freaked out about them about le Anti-Semitism recently

They're mad Steam takes too much. "Too much" because they FEEL it's too much for what Steam provides

I lack the imagination to envision the replacement of Valve with a community owned alternative.

Oh fuck me I can't stand these people

Some of the most popular games on the planet aren't on steam. Even indie games like starsector do fine off steam.
Just make a good game and advertise it.

layoffs happen in publicly traded companies

they're coming down from executives who do not have any interest in gaming, only making money

surely the one really big privately owned company must be at fault!

So this is obviously just shills, right?

make the game free

WE ARE THE SPARK
THAT WILL LIGHT THE FIRE

Make a better steam.

writing endless pages of endless threads about one article that's nine paragraphs long and doesn't have any useful information in it makes us the biggest fucking losers on the planet

this article has a higher number of Anon Babble threads made fuming about it than it does actual unique page-reads

it isn't healthy or entertaining to be fake-angry about this for so long and it's some kind of bot activity since this shit was not on altchans during the site's downtime

Yeah basically. The argument is Steam uses it's totally unfair and artificial monopoly on PC game distribution to enrich itself while killing studios that can't survive on the rest of their cut

Valve is literally killing well run games studios by eating their profits! Don't you have enough food, Gabe? DON'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH?!

disco elysium is commie faggot slop
of course they want to get rid of steam

Literally impossible.
Amazon apparently tried and failed and nobody even noticed.

"We failed multiple times to disrupt the game platform Steam," writes Ethan Evans in a LinkedIn post. "We were at least 250x bigger, and we tried everything. But ultimately, Goliath lost."

"The first way we tried to enter the online-game-store market was through acquisition," Evans explains. "We acquired Reflexive Entertainment (a small PC game store) and tried to scale it. It went nowhere. Then, after buying Twitch, we created our own PC games store. Our assumption was that gamers would naturally buy from us because they were already using Twitch. Wrong."

I've never seen a single post or heard a single thread mentioning any Amazon game store. I don't think these companies even know why people stick with steam.

i am positive, positive, you would have to spend more money marketing your game not on steam than you'd lose by just putting it on steam and not needing to do marketing

you've never played it and it shows. it's actually a low-key fascist game that wishes Hitler beat Stalin

Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

Amazon had a game store?

That means steam is very good, if nothing else can be better. And yea, it is very good.

The only way Valve is going down is if the jews get their hooks into whoever takes over after gaben dies.

Not that I think these other companies are better, but what exactly is it about Steam that makes people stick with it? All of their library being there? I don't think any company has a chance in that case.

Why are these people so fucking insufferable. All of these words and trying to sound cheap when you're just crying about valve taking a cut

Yeah. I'm really not looking forward to him dying

lol i would never use an amazon game store, buying phyiscal goods from them is bad enough when they just throw shit in a box with a wad of craft paper. anything made of glass and its a 50/50 chance of it making it your house in one piece.

what?

my guess is Joshua Wolens is an american (israeli)

steam has 20 years of QoL and improvements. Any company trying to get into the PC market cant compete with them because every industry is about shitting on the consumer and milking them for every dime. Steam has inadvertantly conditioned PC consumers into not tolerating that kind of behavior, so even when EGS was trying to force exclusivity and bribing customers to use its service it still died.

their alternative is some tranny shit that bans good games

this is just stalin vs eisenhower again

PC Gamer is a magazine and website founded in the United Kingdom in 1993 devoted to PC gaming and published monthly by Future plc.

GoG exists and is proof that people are too attached to the steam brand.

literally impossible

It's not impossible it's just that everyone that's tried are fucking idiots who don't understand WHY steam stands above the rest

Like it's not even funny anymore and just proves how inept these gigantic corpos are

GoG cant compete with steam

yeah no shit its two entirely different niches combined with GoG having a microscopic catalogue

Like the other anon said there's just so much shit that meshes together nicely. Forums are great for asking questions or reporting bugs.
Sharing a screenshot or even sending a file through chat is great (epic removed chatting completely years ago).
Achievements for those weirdos
Easy to use store search with a decent tagging system.
Then on top of that I use augmented steam in my browser that automatically shows price history for games so I can know how often it goes on sale.
Then there's a ton of stuff developers can take advantage of like remote play etc.

EGS's actual store felt like a fucking afterthought, it was wild.

gog will always be a companion to steam, so you can use it for old games and the 3% of new games that launch drm free. it will never stand its own in any meaningful capacity.

Honestly if they wanna nutcrack and "disrupt" Steam they should probably just use the Casinostrike Gamble Offensive angle, that shit is probably better muddragging then "MUH 30%".

it's actually a low-key fascist game that wishes Hitler beat Stalin

shiiieeettt well that's awesome then

gaming companies putting the insane money generator that is microtransaction RNG crates at risk

this is like a meth dealer calling up the DEA to sick them on the coke dealer down the street

Capitalism is judaism.

I want big box PC games back. With discs, a thick manual and other stuff. Digital era sucks.

people hyperfocusing on a misguided opinion then treating it as a fact is the reason why this type of shit exists. Steam isnt a fiefdom or a monopoly its just successful
get over it.

If anyone wants to disrupt steam they need to offer games at a lower price. There's only like two games on epic that are cheaper than the steam versions and both are indie.
Some people have the idea that steam enforces price matching but that's actually incorrect and only applies to selling steam keys themselves.

unite under what?
what service will these communist shitbrains provide that valve isnt already doing?

this shit again? it's all so tiresome

in the article the guy literally admits he doesnt know and doesnt have the talent to pull it off but if he did he would want credit for the idea

anon it's PC gamer writing about one of several "disco elysium successor studios" that isn't actually affiliated with any of the original staff and also it was written like 8 months ago

OP is a flailing toddler demanding to go on the same ride every hour of every day

Yep, which is why they won't do it, after al it is probably that situation that is why a lot of them actually want their own storefronts to start with..

That's a whole lot of words to not say anything.

I assume that the issue for normal people that Steam is the defacto monopoly and has the ability to revoke all of your licenses and change their ToS to become more abusive and there wouldn't be anything you could do for recourse because of their size. Overall though, steam is a good store front with a lot of consumer information easily available and social functions where you can communicate with your friends, a game's community as well as developers but I think the biggest reason is that despite it's size, it leans pro consumer and isn't abusive.

This is exactly how I use gog. Older otherwise broken games I go to gog, new/multiplayer games steam. Newer games being steam workshop integrated makes it even harder to justify leaving steam as Kenshi for example has mods exclusive to steam.
If anyone ever wants to beat steam they need to match the feature set and give even more value to overcome users feeling like they're splitting their library even further than annoying third party launchers already do.

it is probably that situation that is why a lot of them actually want their own storefronts to start with..

they want their own store fronts so they can enforce consolefag tier storefront exclusivity. And when that happens they can go full mask off and start giga-jewing like they do on consoles

for normal people

nobody with a functioning frontal lobe thinks about imaginary scenarios where a company goes bizarro world and turns comically evil. Its just shitposters trying to get a new generation of console warring to start but for PC storefronts

Yeah so steam is better, get fucked

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anti-steam

which enemy is this, Anon Babble?

reddit spacing

Go back

Made-up problem for made-up posters to force a site console-war.

lmao

communism is a gay larp that will never exist so let's make every aspect of society worse as revenge

Based Valve.

Communists would probably have a much easier time selling their ideas if they could just learn to talk like like normal people for once in their lives.

Sounds like resentment issues that the studio is worried about not getting more money.

they just want a worse steam with them sitting on the throne
yawn

so another etitled leftist slop dev who's mad at the 30% of 0 being taken away from them

Nah

Double spacing to make your post take up more space for more attention.

Using reddit more than Anon Babble to the point you have a habit of double spacing

Both are aids.

their entire existence is about huffing their own farts and having an ego. They will never talk like real human beans

If we're bitching about ancient made-up problems only the most pedantic people on the internet would talk about, can we bring back "grammar Nazi?" I liked that one.

Put your game on EGS oh wait

translation: GOG is garbage and has none of the features and convinience of steam

Brand royalty and being first in said industry mean it's basically impossible to do so in practice.
Even if you made a good, competitive product, you basically have to wait for your competitor to fuck up so badly in an act of pure greed and malice that their services become simply inexcusable. Look no further than story of AMD, Nvidia and Intel.
You're not just competing with Steam. You're competing with millions of drones who sank thousands of dollars on digital goods, skins, showcases etc. Subconsciously scared of their meaningless collection dying due to irrelevance.

utterly fucking retarded post. People are loyal to steam because they have two decades of features packed into them. Any competing store would fail because modern companies default to the bare minimum + aggressive marketing to get new goycattle customers. If you wanted to compete with steam you would need some niche to corner similar to GoG for old games or itch.io for indie games.

Even if you made a good, competitive product, you basically have to wait for your competitor to fuck up so badly in an act of pure greed and malice that their services become simply inexcusable

yeah i'll wait till someone actually does this before agreeing, every steam alternative has been miserable dogshit on every level in comparison

Just do what the Starsector devs did. They're not on Steam and not even on any conventional alternative like Epic/GOG.

Unity almost did it actually.

Someone literally just has to make a steam clone and offer cheaper games for like 5 years to take the market.
Too bad that any corporate entity that wants to take the market is too lazy, greedy and stupid to do it.

No one is actually loyal to the non-existing "steam brand" you worthless idiot and you even undermined your own argument. AMD beat Nvidia on a few occasions already

I've been on Steam for 15 years (after actively avoiding it for as long as possible until it couldn't be done, as physical copies became glorified DRM boxes with Steam cdkey inside) and none of these normie features that turned Steam into bloatware matter. It's all about sales, workshop and existing logs. No one can beat Steam because they're simply 15 years too late to the party, with tens of millions of users sinking billions of dollars into their platform of choice.

Make your own store. No DRM, no censorship, lower prices due to taking a lower cut from devs.

I will switch to your store and I will shill it daily on Anon Babble.

That's why nvidia owns 92% of discreet gpu market right valve nigger?
OK drones

OK drones

lmao post your steam account dude, be honest

cope more, no one can beat steam because no one actually tried with effort. The sunk cost fallacy is a valid argument but the alternatives are objectively garbage

I bet you're the EPig spammer subhuman jeet

For all the anons that never went to college and hate reading their own history while still somehow wanting to champion western culture. He's basically saying you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket because when Gabe steps down and who ever replaces him ends up being worse we'll be stuck with them with zero alternatives.

Valve is one of the only "libertarian" companies that has ever actually kept to the tenets of the ideology.
They created the product (the market) and for the most part leave it be to allow developers as free as they can while doing upkeep on whatever new scam shows up.
How can anyone want to "topple" them unless they're greedy or stupid?

Steam "I swear it's not DRM" pigs don't deserve anything better tho

muh what if scenario

oh man some made a "prediction" we must tear apart the existing infrastructure now!

wtf are you talking about? It's a retarded etitled manbaby who's mad that he has to pay the 30% steam tax

squeal more jeet

hey guys dont put all your eggs in one basket

okay what other options are there?

...

well uhh I guess we have these other infinitely worse completely kiked storefronts like Origin and EGS

Anyone who isnt a larping consolenigger knows Steam-GoG-Pirating is the holy trinity and the only things you need for new games

Steam was started by Gabe Newell on the premise that piracy was a service problem. He reasoned that people downloaded games because it was faster and easier, no need to find a story that had the game in stock, no need to deal with DRM to install, activate licenses, and run the game. Sure, it was also free, and that was a nice factor, but Gabe (rightfully) believed people would pay for convenience if it came with certain guarantees of quality. For example, when you pirated games (especially back then) there were risks involved that the software wouldn't work or that it would have malware embedded in it. You had to learn (sometimes the hard way) how to spot bad uploads and be vigilant. But Valve was going to guarantee they sold working software, zero chance of malware, with simple installations and as few restrictions and as little DRM as they could get away with. And Gabe was absolutely right. It took years of steadily improving the store front, gradually getting more and more games onto the store, for people to catch on, but once they did nobody wanted to go back to the old way of buying games. Notice that among PC gamers you see almost no nostalgia for buying physical media, and what little exists is mostly for old peripherals like printed manuals. Nobody misses going to the store to buy games. That's why they stopped going to the store and started using Steam, en masse.

Steam-GoG-Pirating is the holy trinity and the only things you need for new games

100% true, with maybe possibly itch for little indie games

I get where they're coming from but I hate headlines like this. Steam isn't even that bad when it comes to the consumer side, it's ultimately built on the network effect. It's still egregious that they charge 30% to put a game on there.
A world without Steam would be DRM-free storefronts where you just buy a key and maybe use their servers for shit like achievements and tracking hours played, but the devs get to pay only around 10-15% like a lot of other digital storefronts.

Steam is the amazon of vidya. It works because people like it and there are no real alternatives. If you consider the 30% a transactional cost of marketing your game on there then the consumer ends up losing ultimately, but good luck convincing rabid turbo/v/irgins ages 10-50 to turn on it.

Steam has problems, but the problems are mostly indicative of people refusing to make at least a good alternative.

Notice that among PC gamers you see almost no nostalgia for buying physical media, and what little exists is mostly for old peripherals like printed manuals

I see physicalfags all the time but they mostly seem like guys who larp about physical for cool guy points of whatever. Any time Ive heard of old PC physical games it was hell with the DRM that was pretty much malware.

It's still egregious that they charge 30% to put a game on there.

30% is the standard cut. It's hypocritical to say "Valve sucks for doing this" instead of "Everyone is doing this and it sucks Valve is also doing it since if they lowered their cut everyone else would follow suit."

The people I see trying to nostalgiapost about physical PC games were 100% not alive back when physical was the only choice. I still own a large collection of installation CDs for my games, and I have no desire to go back to buying those. For one thing, not needing a CD rack on my desk frees up space.

It's still egregious that they charge 30% to put a game on there.

what these guys forget to leave out when bitching about the 30% is that steam offers tons of features for devs. Shit like helping set up multiplayer and integrating it into steam, setting up controller integration, advertising your stuff in their various themed sales, etc. The 30% is also standard everywhere

but good luck convincing rabid turbo/v/irgins ages 10-50 to turn on it.

they'll do that on their on once gaben kicks the can and get bought out by tencent/EA

They're more than able to just host the game download and sales themselves if they want to, aren't they? Or are they just advocating for a worse company to hold the power instead?
Right now Valve is fine. When Gabe dies it will go to shit, but for now it's nice.

I would fully support them selling their games themselves as a simple download with an installer though if they wanted to.

Gaben has already set up his son to inherit the company and he is apparently a super lolbertarian that doesnt want the company to go public either.

Why is it egregious? Epic pretty much admitted they can't have feature parity with steam because they take a smaller cut.

Thing is, if your game is really good and you don't want to deal with the 30% bullshit, nothing stops you from creating your own website where you can net 100% profits minus the hosting costs. It was done in the past ie: Minecraft and Escape from Tarkov.

Plus just putting it on Steam's store ensures a level of discoverability that would be hard to equal selling it off their own website. You still have to pay for advertising with steam (as many amateur game devs find out when they release on steam with zero advertising and get zero sales) but steam has a pretty excellent search engine and people trust downloads from it.

but marketing is haaaaaarrrrdd

Gaben has already set up his son to inherit the company

first time hearing about this but good news if true

Notice that among PC gamers you see almost no nostalgia for buying physical media

Installing old games was always a pain in the ass. If I ever want to play one of my older PC games that isn't on steam, I just pirate the GoG version or something. I actually a few years ago went out of my way to contact Sega to get Steam keys for my Dawn of War games just so I wouldn't have to fuck with that ever again. Was a big surprise when they actually did give me them after I posted the CDs and CD keys.

Epic pretty much admitted they can't have feature parity with steam because they take a smaller cut.

lol that is the biggest pile of bullshit. Epic is a HUGE company and could afford to make their store feature rich if they actually gave a shit about it, but they don't. For them the Epic Store is just about eating into Valve's dominant position, it's not about actually providing value to people and building long-lasting relationships based on trust.

I think a lot of the guys who bitch about the 30% cut are just mad that they put their game on steam, it got popular as a result of steam's consumer base being in the store, and they spend their days imagining all the money they could have made just selling it independantly.

they dont have the money
no one does except maybe microsoft
if activision was 70 billion then steam is worth infinite

Thing is, both indie and AAA games made a shitton of money on steam even after the 30% cut so anyone who whines about it immediately outs himself as one of the greediest scum out there

Microsoft could do it, but nobody would allow it. Even if the DoJ were asleep at the wheel everybody else in the gaming industry would sue them.

Literally this. The only issue with GoG is the library. If everyone released on GoG and Steam at the same time there would be no issue.

Yeah it would be incredibly trivial to have feature parity. They just don't want to. Mostly because they probably view the features like Steam Forums, Reviews, Tagging and such as negatives because it gives the consumer too much power. They probably look at the review bombs with horror and thank they don't have reviews.

nobody wants to release on GoG because publishers insist on DRM

for some reason steam always gets shit on because of having DRM

Why steam catches flak for having games with DRM that was forced in by the publisher I will never understand.

It unironically is if you're a nobody indie dev. Basically u have to count on streamers. Then again, it's not like we're getting hundreds of great releases every month. If your product isn't shit and you offer basic features like refunds and online account you can do it. It's just that you're probably better off selling your mediocre game to 5 times as many steam users than hosting it yourself for that 30% extra.

People get kinda stunlocked against blaming the publishing company for some reason. It's to the point everybody seems to pay little or no attention to EA and Activision still being the fucking devil.

It's cause Epic shills are not arguing in good faith. Valve doesn't require any DRM to use their store, not even Steam's built-in pseudo-DRM, but most publishers and studios opt to use it because it enables a lot of QoL features. Even then, Steam's "DRM" doesn't actually prevent tampering with the game's files and it can be trivially stripped out or spoofed if you're that much of a stickler about it, though if the only DRM the game has is steam's home grown stuff you could easily grab a torrent of it instead.

i know, that post was a joke. it's fucking nearly impossible without existing connections or a large consumer base ready

Is the "Most Promising," one the one that's only put out manifesto? Cause that game is never coming out.

Because steam in itself is DRM which is required to download the game and quite often to run it (some games can still launch without starting steam, some of them lose online features, some of them don't work at all).

Gog gives you access to 100% drm free installation files which you can put on a physical drive, upload on cloud etc.

have perfectly good product

expect people to switch because ???

People who hate Steam would hate any competing service.

30% is the standard

It's not "Valve sucks for doing this" but more that they do often change it, but for bigger publishers and really big AAA games. You can say there's an argument to gatekeeping indie devs to keep the platform somewhat quality oriented and ensure shovelware devs at least pay their dues, but all I'm saying is there's an argument here for devs to collectively push back and have some sort of system (like a union) and they could collectively bargain for a lower cut in exchange for community run quality control which would reduce Valve's overhead. In theory of course.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but I think Steam being too popular is definitely a detriment to the industry in the long run.

This nigga thinks he will be making communist games after the le revolution and not dying of starvation in the mines

Disco Elysium

One game with a bunch of different political ideologies

Now we get a bunch of games with one ideology each

no hes not you dumb nigger hes whining about how they take a cut from his shitty visual novel.
Why he thinks that his rendition of a shitty visual novel would be able to stand on its own in traditional brick and mortar and not a digital storefront is beyond anyone though.

valve is based, fuck these commies

it's almost like staying private it a good thing...

but all I'm saying is there's an argument here for devs to collectively push back and have some sort of system (like a union) and they could collectively bargain for a lower cut in exchange for community run quality control which would reduce Valve's overhead. In theory of course.

when did I say I disagreed with this?

so we should try to topple Steam and either we enter a digital communist utopia which I can't even conceive of, or effectively achieve the hellscape giant publishers have been dreaming about for years

These faggot romantic revolutionary types are so insanely stupid

>One game with a bunch of different political ideologies

All of them are portrayed as dumb and the main lesson is that political ideology is a cope for losers. The only difference among them being the communists being softballed hard by having them all come across as guys with their hearts in good places and stuff just wouldnt work out just cuz. Its only natural that all the splinter studios go mask off on communist wank which is why it boggles my mind that DEfags try to portray the game as not being communist

no one else with money to compete would EVER concede so many rights to consumers
theyre just licking their jewish lips with fantasies of how they could squeeze you better

but I think Steam being too popular is definitely a detriment to the industry in the long run.

It's a detriment right now. Valve has stagnated and cares more about milking its existing users than anything else. They have no real competition and it shows. The problem is you need two main things to compete with Steam: a large catalog of games for sale, and a better user experience that focuses on correcting problems that Valve refuses to address (flood of low quality shovelware on the store, obnoxious publisher-forced DRM in many games, clunky wannabe social media features that are too tightly woven into the game library's functionality, etc). To achieve the first requirement you need a ton of money and industry clout. However if you have these things, you probably don't give a rancid shit about improving user experience because you are a giant corporation run by souless bugmen.

would EVER concede so many rights to consumers

do steamfags really?

Retard

They're leftists. They cant create. Because they're incompetent and wholly incapable of doing so. Instead they find healthy, successful and thriving companies and take them over from the inside out, to spread their ugly disgusting political ideology. And thus they ruin everything.

community run quality control

you should disagree with this.

why are you so mad at being wrong?

You bring up interesting points, and I agree that if anything has to change it has to start with the devs, no hope that it comes from the storefronts. I think indie devs are a large enough community right now to make something happen but it requires a ton of effort to basically rip tens of billions in annual value out of the industry's claws.

i literally cannot even fathom what my idea here is, but we should all be working towards it cause i bet it'll work out great, it did in my head!

the "ideas guy", gentlemen

But what WILL happen when Gabe isn't around anymore?

flood of low quality shovelware on the store

actual issue I agree

obnoxious publisher-forced DRM in many games

idk how you expect a middle man to try and twist publisher's arms enough to accomplish this. It would have to be a concerted effort by developers who make the games to accomplish this

clunky wannabe social media features that are too tightly woven into the game library's functionality

this is just personal preference. Fuck tons of people like the steam chat, forums, inviting friends to games stuff, etc

somehow didn't reply to ????

everything should be reset across the board

yes power will just consolidate among those who will inevitably retain it and then snowball from the lack of resistance, but we should do it anyways

why are communists like this?

Valve isn't publicly traded and Gabe has set up a succession plan. It will be fine as long as any successor doesn't start publicly trading.

"community run" means power tripping admins and mods and more well-known individuals driving direction with peer pressure, and literally always has, you SHOULD disagree with it

someone do one of the disco elysium copy pastas please I've missed them

scary how accurate this is. Anything "community ran" gets subverted and taken over by bullies who just socially engineer their way into power and bully out anyone they dont like

steam is one of the few somewhat good things in the entire industry you drooling retard

People are loyal to steam because they have two decades of features packed into them.

I'm "loyal" to Steam because it's where all my games are. All the "features" that Valve has "packed into" Steam have only made it worse in every possible way. Steam is a bloated piece of shit full of unnecessary bullshit, but keeping it around is still preferable to juggling multiple launchers and accounts and splitting up my PC games library.

I think you need to re-read the post lol. This has nothing to do with community run things. It's devs pulling from Steam until they lower their cut.

Ok. Steam is pretty shit. I only use mostly out of choice because they refuse to sell shit on GoG. I'm not downloading another shitty Chrome wrapped UI garbage. Also I expect any competitor to invest in proton and vkd3d and dxvk as well or why should I care?

until it isn't, genius
jfc you fanboys really are something

and have some sort of system (like a union) and they could collectively bargain for a lower cut in exchange for community run quality control which would reduce Valve's overhead

in exchange for community run quality control

uhhh, try again?

it's the same reason that Netflix became so popular
people could watch all their favorite old shows for a pittance instead of trying to catch them on TV, buying physical copies, or having the bandwidth and space to pirate them

I dont use these features therefore they make the product worse!

Fuck tons of people like the steam chat, forums, inviting friends to games stuff, etc

not me
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I quoted an entire post so I totally agree with the entire post

take your meds.

Yes. They make the product worse for me, the only person whose Steam experience I care about, so they make the product worse.

UHHH STEAM IS GOOD BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WHICH I CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT PREDICT IT WON'T BE UHHHH

holy shit, get yourself institutionalized ASAP

mister evrart is helping me fund my game

not Communists, btw

me neither
we are outliers
why would you bring this up

I have imagined a universe where Steam enslaved and raped my mother, alongside killing my dog, I will now stop using it and instead use EGS, the superior PC marketplace

lmao so you didn't even read it then

suck my dick and balls you histrionic retard

you're replying to the wrong person

Although I am not a disgusting communist vermin, I feel that it would be prudent that I ask the very question Lenin asked many years ago: Who stands to gain from this endeavor?

idk.....wanna hang out?

seething about something that he has imagined

wth

No? It's a reply to a reply of my post.

you don't like being exposed as the low IQ rambling retard you are ,do you? fucking moron, go back to resetera

All you have to do is imagine Gabe dies and whoever succeeds him sells the company or goes public. Not that hard or that farfetched.

And it's 100% happening btw.

if we hang out we will end up using Steam's useless chat feature to communicate, which would make it useful and invalidate my point so no

im pretty sure that valve has a 30% cut for steam which is also the industry standard for basically everyone, so i don't think there's an issue

least mentally ill EGS supporter

You clicked the wrong post to reply to, dipshit.

WTF is up with this title? I’m I just retarded?

MMMPH GLMMPH HMMPH THHH FMMMPHH

sorry couldn't hear you over the sound of my dick and balls

I skimmed it and didn't realize it had parts in it I didn't agree with. "He who is without sin can cast the first stone" You've absolutely done this before.

good

how? Literally the only thing I can think of is steam deck forcing studios to somewhat support Linux more broadly. The client is shit. Their shitty overlay and steam input always causes me bugs and I'm forced to add LD_PRELOAD= %command% to basically every game because "disabling" this stuff in their shit UI doesn't do anything.
That doesn't mean others aren't bad either, but I'm sick of slow ass retarded always online game launchers. You don't need the store in your launcher either. Web browsers exist as well.

I hate this shit so much it's unreal.

I’m I just retarded?

yes

uhh fair enough....
........
.....
sooo.......guess I'll see ya around then.....
bye anon

oh oops thought you were someone else.

subhuman gay pajeet can only think of sucking cocks

no wonder you hate the superior platform

I CAN'T HEAR YOU
OVER THE SOUND
of my genitals occupying your oral cavity

There's been a grand total of zero decent steam alternatives.

IT'S BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER ALTERNATIVE SO IT'S NOT GOOD

kys you stupid nigger already

you would have to be retarded and a genuinly evil person to sell
its a low maintenance money printer that will just print money for you until you die
do you really think gabe actually does anything

do you use linux? I never have these kinds of issues

stop sucking and imagining sucking cocks you dumb brown turdskin

They're all like that, too. Scream on and on about problems, and demand solutions but have no idea what the solution should be or what comes after the "problem" is dealt with.

"Community downed market place" sounds so fucking bullshit, too. How would it even function? What would maintain it? What would fund it?

you would have to be retarded and a genuinly evil person to sell

and?

Correct. Suck me, faggot.
I can buy games on gog without DRM and without a launcher and play them in my containerized sandbox the way g*d intended. Unlike steam, I can start these games in less than 10 seconds too.

Gabe made a handheld purely to take a shit on nintendo via making it the ultimate nintendo piracy device so steam will always be based in my eyes

vat about ze shareholders *hand wringing*

"Community owned market place"

isn't that just... the internet?

muh DRM

GOG also has DRM you dumbfuck

g*d

gas yourself you stupid kike

GOG also has DRM

news to me

github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/11446

Was the last straw. After I was sure I had steam input disabled and shit, I was floored to see steam still inject code into every process.

I don't understand the hatebonner for steam, nintendo, microsoft, sony, google and apple ask for the same cut, and they are even worse because there is no alternative on their devices

if you read their fine print it says they also only "sell" a license

you are now imagining a 3d illustration of my genitals stretching deep into your esophaguses blocking your airways as you panic you try to bite down but discover that I've removed all your teeth while you were bitching

even cyberpunk 2077 DLC was locked behind gog galaxy. And some games straight up have DRM like deus ex human revolution and everything from paradox

Not every title has DRM.
No shit. That's just how cucked anything "digital" is now.

So what does this mean?

commie ramblings

least gay and psychopathic steam hating turd world shitskin.

The only thing I imagine is genociding your worthless shitskin bloodline

They're mad Steam takes too much. "Too much" because they FEEL it's too much for what Steam provides

It clearly isn't since they all come crawling back anyways. Steam could take a higher cut and they would still use it.

Basically. I guess he wants to go back to developers and publishers hosting their own games and services. Only a few ever did that, and it all consolidated onto Steam because Gaben offered the better marketplace.
As it's been shown multiple times before, while Steam was still around; people generally do not want to have multiple accounts, store-fronts, or DRM for their games as much as they can help it.
That's why GFWL died. Why Origin died. Why EGS will die once Fortnite dies.
Only Rockstar Social Club stays relevant because of GTA V. If VI doesn't conquer the planet, RSC will start to die, too.

dumbest tankie shit I've read in a hot minute

so you're told to suck someone's dick and your mind immediately goes to brown people?
me thinks the lady doth protest too much

A world without Steam would be DRM-free storefronts where you just buy a key and maybe use their servers for shit like achievements and tracking hours played

You weren't around in the times before. Hell in 2008 when Spore came out the CD Key only let you install the game three times. SecuROM a shit. In a world without steam publishers would come up with worse.

doesn't deny being a shitskin

I guess I was correct, also you're not "people"

imagine if valve refuses their game. lmao now that would be a good reason rather than just banning loli.

I was there. 2009-2011 era of Steam was still like this.
I was there, man. I was there trying to run GFWL + Steam at the same time.
I was there, man.

sorry can't hear you again
stand somewhere where there isn't my massive dong in down your throat

Can someone post the *smashes steam deck with disco elysium* copypasta pic? Always makes me laugh everytime i see it

dumbest thing I've read all year and I had to go to sharty when Anon Babble was down

The worthless shitskin immediately deflects with gay rape fantasies, reminiscing about his childhood absuse by his absent father

I mean...Gaben will one day die, the shitification of the company is just a matter of time (I doubt even his first heir will be a decent replacement).

It would be nice to have a decent second option by then.

THE WHOLE WORLD HAD TWO FUCKING DECADES TO MAKE A REAL FUCKING COMPETITOR, BUT INSTEAD THEY ALL MADE THEIR OWN EXCLUSIVE, WALLED GARDEN

EA

UBISOFT

TIMMEH

MICROSOFT

THEY DID FUCK ALL AND ARE NOW LAMENTING ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL BULLIED AND HOW DEEP THEY GOT FUCKED IN THE ASS
IN THE FIRST DECADE NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THESE FAGGOTS MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THIRD PARTY NIGGERS AND PIXEL JERK-OFFS TO PUBLISH THEIR INDIE FAGGOTRY ON THEIR STORES
GOG AND ICHIO WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO TRIED AND WHO ARE STILL AROUND, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO GO THERE BECAUSE ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY MONEY MONEY AND ATTENTION THAT'S WHY THEY GO TO VALVE. THEY COULDN'T POSSIBLE HAVE MORALS, IDEALS AND A HEART TO NOT GIVE IN TO THEIR JEWISH ROOTS AND SIMPLY NOT GO TO VALVE.
FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE DOUBLE STANDARDS, DISINGENUOUS CHILD MOLESTERS TO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO PLAY THE VICTIM CARD WHEN IT WAS EVERYONE ELSE BUT VALVE WHO DID FUCK ALL

Well at least Google and Apple are getting pushback for their cut, which out of all the companies names are the least deserving of it.
These people either are afraid of saying something about the Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo out of fear of being black listed or get shit trying to put their games on the platform or some even cuck out defending them taking the 30%.
While I belive these cuts should be lower across the board I still find it funny how people will pick and choose who is and isn't okay taking more money from them.

lower prices due to taking a lower cut from devs

You know this won't happen. It already doesn't happen with EGS. Devs just try to profit more.

no arguments

I accept your concession

fantasizes about gay sex

n-no argument

go suck your little brother's cock in your favela or whatever you "people" do in your free time

It's still egregious that they charge 30% to put a game on there.

If it's so egregious why do devs still publish their games there?

I really don't like commies.

The succession wars begin.

Every time they try to do this, they often forget that Steam isn't just a store and game launcher. Theres a whole community side to it, with per game community forums, user screenshots, user guides, user reviews, mods workshop (when applicable) etc, that is often sorely missing in these alternatives. GOG is probably the only alternative I've ever seen to have a proper community side to it, and that doesn't even require you to use its launcher.

Doesn't valve also have a policy that forbids devs/publishers from charging a higher default price on steam than other storefronts?

I would say "Fuck Nazism" but that would be pedophilia because Nazi Germany is only 12 years old.

jews and communists are well known pedophiles so you should have no problems admitting it

To be fair Valve got that digital fiefdom for being more consumer friendly than most other websites and really support of the smaller indie game industry.

My main complaint with steam is that they should do what GOG does and allow you to download the games and play them offline and without Steam and allow devs to give you permission download and own games rather than just paying for the ability to play them. The pricing thing is kinda shitty and some of Valve's gaming choices I don't like, but they're extremely ethical compared to most of the competition right now. I namely used steam for it's sales and indie game support honestly since I love the actual indie games made with bolts and scraps by 1-10 people than stuff like Dave the Diver (but I did enjoy Stray).

the communists were jews

Nope. They can't sell steam keys for cheaper, but there's nothing saying they can't sell their game for cheaper elsewhere.

They do
But like 99% of games on going exclusive on Epic charged the same price despite not being on Steam so most people would just rather get extra money per sale instead of lowering the price.

Go to a cornfield, your strawmen will be put to better use there.

you have no idea what that word means

They can't sell steam keys for cheaper, but there's nothing saying they can't sell their game for cheaper elsewhere.

Which is weird, because I tend to see the former more often than the latter.

Self-distribute. It's not hard if your game is good enough
Oh? It's not? Figures

it's almost like staying private it a good thing...

Right this reads to me about ideologues wanting to be able to influence valve to their whims more so than a legitimate call to better things. Fuck marxists, the only good communist is a dead one.

we have destroyed steam, now we can sell our game

WHAT DO YOU MEAN PAYMENT PROCESSOR AND PAYMENT SECURITY AND CLOUD SAVES AND DOWNLOAD BANDWITH AND SERVERS, JUST GIVE US MONEY FOR LE EPIC POLITICS GAME do these retards realize that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have to provide the same services?

GoG exists

Works well, reliable, consumer and developer friendly

Gamejolt and other services exist with better cuts for Devs

Communists are generally retarded and will refuse "More ethical" choices just to run their mouth for social capital. They sold DE on GoG, they know it exists, they profited off it.

Seleukos

How do you fumble the ball that fucking hard?

as Gaben said "piracy is a service problem" so we just go back to piracy. Likely though with the current trajectory games past 2030 will all be dogshit

You niggers are so annoying. I bet this image has been posted here more times than the article has been viewed.

If Steam went down, Denuvo would be cracked a week later. And it wouldn't take a batshit insane tranny to do it, either.