Playing this game

playing this game

really loving it

shocked it doesnt fall into all the terrible jrpg tropes

beat the two axons

you may fight the paintress now

woah just like that? no boss rush and padding? awesome

get to the monolith

start paintress fight

nothing happens

oh no

pit in my stomach

its gonna be one of these dragged out things isnt it?

yep obligatory boss rush/retreading environments

okay well whatever the gameplay is fun and I can get monocos other bleu mage skills on the way

really starting to get bored now

atleast the final boss is here

beat renoir and paintress

phew that was a relief, what a satisfying game

oh wait its not over

oh god here comes the story going full anime off the rails nonsense

oh christ there's a third act what the fuck cmon man are you kidding me

why can't games ever not overstay their welcome? I really wanted to wrap this game up already... its like theyre allergic to leaving the audience wanting more

It's another shitter gives his shit opinion thread

Doesn't fall into the usual jrpg tropes

Lost me there. The fuck does that even mean? Fucking retard.

call me crazy, but I dont really like 9 phase of super epic boss fights at the edge of reality every single time and multiple fake out endings and padding and shit

its so tiresome

imagine being such a retard that you judge a story by how "anime" it is instead of its actual quality

I think games being longer than 15hrs in today's world where we have 800 games on our backlog is going to hurt devs

Is it just me or is exploring pretty ass
I'm only 3 hours in

Im judging it based off how many asspull, telegraphed plot twists it has for the sake of having a plot twist and padding out the story

lol theres no stakes because everyone was just a painting creation from the magic mcguffin canvas

yeah man its all the worst aspects of anime in a nutshell

There are stakes. The people in the canvas are real people with real relationships and agency. They just happen to live in a created world. Just like some beleive our world was created by God.

You get a way to traverse the overworld a lot faster a bit further in the game.

there's nothing to explore. The level design is terrible

Personally I can't wait until we have Game Shorts, where I can play a game for 60 seconds and beat it and then scroll down to the next one to keep my melting brain occupied.

I did everything before doing the monolith, thinking it was the end. There is still a whole other act after the monolith anon. You have tons more to do, so don't stress.

I dont see it that way unfortunately
I feel robbed of the stakes that made the premise of this game so cool

But I wish it would end, I was quite satisfied with the Act 2 ending...

Poor fool. You underestimated French people's capability to produce depressioncore griefkino

You fool, Bilbo getting the ring wasn't even close to the end of the story.

So you are autistic.

Equating multiple worlds plots with "no stakes" is an utterly retarded take, and makes me think you really just shouldn't engage with the fantasy genre. It's a genre staple that predates "anime off the rails nonsense" by literally milennia.

If anything E33 is a refreshing take on the trope, because it doesn't pull the usual religion and gnosticism angle, but instead a broken family's cycle of grief.

where do you think we are

You got me

this is more like the return of the king film having 8 endings

I know this is a subjective thing, but the whole game feels so hopeless and depressing and sad that I dont want to spend more time in it despite think the gameplay characters visual design ect is fantastic

I just was really in love with the initial premise, there's a witch we gotta kill to save the world thats been slowly ticking down. I dont really like all this extra stuff thats tacked on. If they could exist together in the story thatd be fine, but one makes the other a non factor

Well, instead of a witch it's a wizard you gotta kill to save the world, it's still the same shit.

yeah but I wanted to save gustaves world

Does the bald hairstyle mime give any useful rewards or just hairstyles? It took me 10 minutes to kill that nigger and I don't wanna spend an hour beating him on every character, especially since my other characters are weaker

Anon please, it's a Mime. All you have to do is equip all the Break luminas, parry it, break it, kill it.
Did it on all characters in 15 minutes.

ur still doing that in Act 3 though, I'm still at the start of Act 3 and just doing side quests so idk if something changes

can't even make it through a 30h game

why would you pick a RPG if you have aspergers? Play Roblox or something

oh yeah I don't have any break luminas equiped, I guess it will be fast enough to do it with them

The average gamer expects 20 hours at the very most.

play jrpg

surprised it's jprg length

Is this even a real post?

The idiotic vitriol I've seen spewed towards this game in the past week has been some of the most transparent tortanicfagging I've ever seen.
Makes me wonder again why the fuck I even came back here after that mandatory break.
90% of this board is just hating on vidya that don't even deserve the hate.

For me it's that a lot of the posting is just shitposting without any merit, which then creates more threads and people shitposting, so you have threads full of people going

Ugh SHILLING so much SHILLING

The vicious Anon Babble cycle.

Are you fucking retarded? Beat the paintress and then go beat the real last boss you have total access to right after, and drop it if you like.
Unlike you I was like, I hoping there’s an end game tower with tons of extreme fights. Your faggot ways would have robbed me of that.

I'm currently doing the 3rd axon. It's revealed that they have hidden meaning and that the 3rd one is about Alicia and how Renoir want her to grow up, havent finished it yet so maybe it's different.. So it got me thinking about the 2 other axons. The Mask one is probably about Cléa since she's always so cold and pragmatic most likely hiding her true feelings. The Sirene is about Verso, she's dancing and you dance to music which is the art Verso wanted to pursue and before dying she show that her power is showing dead people and Verso is dead. She's probably a painting that Renoir made because he miss his son.
There are so many E33 threads I don't know which one to post in, shit is too fast.

So go beat the last boss, nothing is stopping you and if you don’t do it right after the paintress you’ll be over leveled to fuck. Quit bitching about things that aren’t a problem for you.

thats a relief to know

Just a bald hairstyle for every character, no special bonus for beating them all.

Agreed the pacing is terrible. Played Rebirth before this and its like nightd and day.

Completely wrong, Sirene is Clea and Verso is Visage. This is explicitly stated at several points - note that they aren't just direct representations but more like what Renoir would hope for as well as a symbolization. Renoir wants Clea to let go of perfectionism in painting and enjoy the process of doing it, just like dancing has value in the process of dancing rather than as a finished work. For Verso he wants to show that he feels like he isn't able to connect with him.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out you miserable faggot.

There are so many E33 threads I don't know which one to post in, shit is too fast.

how else are you supposed to know that this mediocre fotm is the next best thing since sliced foreskin

Bait used to be believable.

amerimutt can't stop thinking about cutting dicks

Life imitate art...

He isn’t miserable, you are. This place isn’t for you to sperg and seethe about games you haven’t played.

The concept of a backlog is retarded just play what you like

I've seen people saying how this game is too easy and you can oneshot everything including challenge superbosses.
I've started act 3, equipped damage uncap and set skill properly to have big damage, buffs and debuffs, got few weapons I use to 20 and after visiting few places that became available, so far I only encounter damage sponges which take very long to kill. Am I missing something important, or was it bullshit?

How is renoir and the curator in the painting at the same time? Aren't they the same person? Why does renoir kill his wife's creations but also keeps her in the painting world? There's so much I don't understand

no u waaah you don't even play games

Every time with you newfags. Keep seething over people having standards and not mindlessly consuming media you disgusting casual.

I guess it make more sense since it also fit their genders. I thought being shown dead people was more closely associated to mourning than emotions and hiding them behind masks. So far the side of Cléa that I have seen is someone who care more about work and responsibilities. She don't care about the painting even if it was part of her childhood, it could be destroyed or saved she don't care, she just want her father back because she need him to do his duties. Felt she probably has emotions but she keep them behind a mask of ultra-professionalism
Also I guess being able to conclude many different observation and theories about something is what separate true art from the rest. I think Tarkovsky said something similar to that.

Go to Frozen Hearts behind Monoco's Station first, there you'll powerlevel through.
Then defeat the world map superboss Sprong to get the Cheater picto.
Then learn to abuse Maelle's new abilities.

It’s because it’s not a jrpg. Its a wrpg, as it is from french developers

full anime

In what way, cause a family grieving over a dead son isn't really anime. Not anymore so than the initial setup of a paintress painting a number and people dying

Act 3 is just the final boss stop lying shill butch

Assuming you're in Act 3 already, otherwise get the fuck off Anon Babble and finish Act 2 first.
Black hair Renoir is "Painted Renoir", created by Aline. Curator is the real, "Painter Renoir".

Oh I gotcha

How is renoir and the curator in the painting at the same time?

There are 2 Renoirs. One is the real one that wants to force Aline out and one was painted by Aline and so naturally wants to keep Aline in. Both are trying to save their respective families.

Why does renoir kill his wife's creations but also keeps her in the painting world? Renoir isn't strong enough to force her out physically but he Hope's by wrecking enough shit the painting will be void of life and she will have to come out.

You're both wrong.
Sirene is Aline. Clea's corresponding Axon is the one killed by Simon in Old Lumiere.

If verso is created by aline how did he rebel against her when her other paintings don't or cant?

The first Renoir you see is Aline’s perfect recreation of him, she recreated her whole family as her ideal versions, which is why that Renoir is on her side. He is a fake simulacrum. The curator is the real Renoir who has entered the painting. Painting fights are based on power level which is why he can’t just outright beat Aline, but he manages to confine her to the monolith just like she manages to confine him underneath the monolith. He can use his power to wipe out her creations but only the older ones as she loses her grasp on them as they get older.

Works for me.

It's just how he was made. Alicia-Maelle mentions Painted Renoir was a "particularly unflattering portrait".
None of them are being directly mind-controlled, Aline just made her fake Renoir like that.

Maybe some part of her Is hoping verso would free her right?

He lived a long enough life to turn against her. Probably initially was fine with everything, early expeditions were just search and rescue.

There was nothing to free Aline from, she wanted to stay and live in that world with her "family". The whole crux of the conflict is she not wanting to leave, her husband trying to force her out, and being at a stalemate with Clea being the only one who figured out how to eventually win.

Yeah but maybe some part of her painted verso with a desire to be mercy killed in mind

You guys just want games to last 3 hours huh?

So the ritual of killing all the painted people year by year. Why does that happen if aline just wanted to be left alone with her family?

25 hours is ideal but skip the fakeout endings

desire

I think he grew to want that, same as Painted Clea. He had the memories of someone, but lived a different life same as Maelle/Alicia. Ontop of that, he was immortal.
Renoir kills the people every year, its explicitly stated. Every year, her power weakens as she slowly dies from being in the painting for too long. As her power wanes, Renoir is now able to kill the oldest creations. So the number is a warning for people to spend the final year of their life to their wishes.

I don't give a fuck about your backlog or how busy you are irl.

If im paying your games 100$ I expect it to last 100h

Actually her power wanes because Clea created the nevrons to trap chroma inside the bodies of expeditioners so that it doesnt return to Aline

Oh okay I understood renoir is killing them I just was confused with the motive. I really wish this game had separate creations for all the characters than duplicates of the family. It makes it kind of messy to follow... even when they plainly state things I'm doing the mental gymnastics of trying to remember which of 3 renoirs is who and why they're doing what they're doing

the monolith is essentially just a big battery life indicator of Aline's power to resist Renoir

starts at 100% and is at 33% now

kek

I hate petanks
Wish I could throw one into a harbour

Its a bit of both, she is going to die eventually but yes Clea has slowly been taking away her chroma. On one hand, its a weird excuse cause you would think the immortals would go around killing nevrons then

There is only two though. One in black, and one in his real-world outfit. There is only two of everyone except Verso although the part of his soul still painting counts I guess.

What the fuck was her problem?

The world is essentially lost from the start which is why (painted) Renior tries to convince everyone to just enjoy the time they have left while he protects Aline

Wriggers

Being the only reasonable person

I'm not sucking her toes

Is it explained why she messed Simon up so bad? I havent beat him yet so I assume its in the journal at his feet

One thing I don't get is why Simon killed the Axon in Old Lumiere when he was under Real Clea's orders, and Real Clea wanted to help Renoir, and the Axons are Renoir's creations.

Or was it just out of necessity because Simon would need the chroma to breach the barrier, and the Axon that her father made of her was the strongest (apparently stronger than Sirene + Visages, the two we need to forge Barrier Breaker)?

Shivering isle schizo mask explicitly says a name of who he is, as a word

The axons were created by Renoir before the conflict between him and Aline I am pretty sure. So they aren't really related.

The family is stupid as fuck and she is the only one with a brain, like me.
Did you beat Painted Clea?

Simon and Painted Clea were a thing, Clea comes in to shift the balance of power and discovers painted Clea. Clea is the only one in the family strong enough to paint over other people's creations and paints over painted-Clea forcing her to endlessly paint just like little Verso. Clea also finds Simon, and him not knowing there is a difference falls for her trickery and has him kill an Axon and also sends him deep into the abyss forever stuck.

Oh I see this makes sense then, so Simon was in love with painted Clea, then when real Clea repainted the painted Clea she also repainted Simon to be more powerful and sent him to kill Aline, then Aline tells Simon the truth about Clea and he descends to below the monilith to kill the curator but loses his mind first.

She's entirely utilitarian when it comes to the Canvas, not recognizing the painted people in there as real.
But in the end she does care about her family, but she's just fucking tired of their drama while she's essentially fighting a war against the people responsible for the fire that killed Verso and maimed Alicia on her own. Pragmatism dialed to 11, cold-hearted bitch.

She saw Painted Clea, and the Axon her father made of her as insults. Her mother even shipped her with some random strong dude in her fantasy world, so out of spite she used him and her painted self as a safeguard to make sure they'd both get kicked out of the Canvas eventually. Never mind the mindfuck she gave both, as in her eyes they're not real.

Maybe she just didn't like renoirs depiction of her?

I like Esquie

My theory is given that she also messed up the painted version of herself that it was at least partially because she just didn't like him. She didn't like how her mom portrayed her so she painted over it, then she used the painted version's lover to to kill the Old Lumiere Axon, which was her father's version of her. Killing it was also probably so he could enter the Monolith and force Aline out but that didn't work so he just got trapped under the Monolith and his mind got fucked up even harder by Renoir.

how the fuck did it take this long for someone to be actually correct?

Well, something similar happened to me but at least the game didn't really force you to go through another bunch of dungeons if you didn't want to.
So I went straight to Lumiere and killed the big bad beast, papan and Maelle because escapism is baaad mkay.
It helps that painters fight unlocks the shitty 9999 hit limit.

The story took a nose dive after fighting the paintress

He and Monaco are the best boys.

To be fair, the Axon plotline was underdeveloped and reeks of cut content or rewrites.
You only get a vague explanation for what they really are from an echo of Renoir in Renoir's Drafts.

I think if there's a story DLC, it'll be about the immediate aftermath of the Fracture and Expedition Zero.

he didn't explore at all and just flew to Lumiere

sad

That is when it got good, you then had two sides where its possible to see both reasons why people fight. Before it literally was "kill the big bad, don't know why they do the things they do but fuck it"

ideal versions

ahh yes, the burnt up Alicia

So why was the paintress doing the countdown? I understood pretty much everything else but didn't catch why she was doing that aside from some line about saving people in the letter Verso was reading right before everyone got gommaged.

The journal in the arboretum explains this. Aline hates Alicia so she painted her as disfigured

wrong

the countdown was a warning, that's about it, as explained in the letter you referenced.

Warning people who will die next to live their life to the fullest. As she weakened, Renoir could kill the oldest creations.

She blames her for Verso's death, so she drew her as a basedjack

I had the absolute opposite experience. It started out extremely strong, but by the time you're going around to getting chroma from the Axons which felt like a filler arc, all the vague Nomura/Nojima-esque dialogue and interactions with Verso, Renoir and Painted Alicia without getting any exposition was starting to get tiring.

Then bam, you get the big reveal of Painted Alicia's letter and the flashback, and all the puzzlepieces fall into place, even Painted Alicia's poetry monologue makes sense.
You can see the "the world is a painting" twist from a thousand miles away, but the whole family thing and Maelle being a reborn Alicia was perfectly executed.

Renoir can kill you now that you're older so I'll do it myself immediately

Huh?

I missed Maelle in act 3. Aliciamaelle was a shit.

She's not killing them Renoir is.

switched from xbox contoller to keyboard and hitting parrying windows became trivial. can't belive i spent like 80 bucks on this garbage

Why didn't Aline just write a proper explanation on the monolith instead of a vague number counting down?

Pay attention. Aline was never the one performing the gommage. It's always been Renoir. Aline was partially holding it back, that's what the numberalways was.

She didn't gommage people, that was Renoir. Expeditioners just assumed it was her cause when the number changed, people died.

I actually predicted most of the twist because there was a picture of a dog in the masion bathroom with "monoco" on the collar. Only things I didnt understand were the roles of the Reniors

She's not right in her head

There is enough hints of it being a painted world, but the real twist is that its just a battle between painters and dealing with grief.

the only thing I don't quite understand is, who put Lumier into the ocean? Was it renoir because he wanted the expedtions to get to aline, or was it aline trying to save people and give them the chance to get to renoir?

In case you hadn't noticed, Aline's not exactly right in the head.

Yeah I mean I predicted it was about painters dealing with the grief of children dying in a fire and that the hollow ghosts were the "real" people. Thr picture of the dog made it all click into place for me

this is a cope answer, surely she wasn't this insane at the start

The fracture is when the painters started fighting, I think maybe one of them painted lumier somewhere else or something

youtu.be/VxfRe9wkj5Y?list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM&t=137

This fucking OST man.

Real answer is keeping stuff vague is good for storytelling.

she'd already been driven mad with grief by Verso's death, and she'd already spent quite a bit of time in the Canvas before the Fracture

Verso let Gustave die on purpose. Damn the last two Maelle/Alicia events hit hard. They both make each other suffer in a way. I totally understand Verso wanting a final goodbye at the very least and I'm glad he understand his sister's decision. I was surprised by the fact Verso did it on purpose and decided to tell the truth. I can understand his motivation, he just wanted to end it all and was putting his mission above all else. I find it touching he was able to accept his sister dying off-screen but seeing it with his own two eyes was too painful for him. This is how you write human characters, way better than shitty whiny character who will spend half the game crying and being traumatized because the hack writers thinks that's how you make deep emotional stories.

I went straight for the axon directly by mistake (all the path looked the same) and killed it on my 2nd try so I probably missed some lore drop because there was nothing left on the other paths when I came back.

Last thing that reminds her of her favourite child (that is dead) is being erased by her husband and now her daughter (which she blames for the death of her favourite child) comes to her with a bunch of homunculi to destroy the only thing that remains of her son

You are retarded if you don't get it

I'm so torn on this game. I love the setting and music but playing it is painfully dull, and I'm somebody who primarily plays all jrpg releases. The combat in the game just feels so braindead and I'm honestly tired of parry slop. The level design is also pretty fucking crap where it's all just narrow linear corridors with the occasional dead end side path. They have amazing artists but this is the type of level design they thought of for every zone. I'm only 8 hours into the game but the hype of the game is already fizzling out. I still think it's a good game but as a jrpg enthusiast it's not ticking the correct boxes for me.

nice spoiler nigger

It's before his second phase where he starts speaking like a pseud

It sounds like DQ11, but with Westranny art style.

Game's been out for a week and this is Anon Babble. Why are you here?
That's like complaining about being spoiled on Youtube when searing for the OST.

Why did Verso and Alicia not disappear like the rest of Aline’s creations when she got defeated?

Aline vehemently hates Alicia and wants her to suffer in monochrome

Part of original Verso's soul is in the painting

Just want to say that we all agree that painting people aren't "real" people, but really well developed magic Ai, right?

Nice to see the rose-tinted glasses coming off

verso is a painted version of verso, but verso REAL soul still exist in the painting, which is what keeping him alive. he only dies once the soul fragment dies.

I am too sober to discuss gnosticism on occitan croissant baking forum

we do not all agree, no

most people irl ain't real either

My opinion is simple. Their entire world relies on a dead guy soul who is super tried and want to stop painting. Better to end it. We see it in Maelle ending that they are just programs, and maelle can change their programing. Hell even clea could change her own version of herself.

Sounds like CT, fight Lavos whenever you want past first time in End of Time. Man, looks like those frogs couldn't help themselves by STEALING from the best...

Guess your RPG sucks ass.

Hmm, no. It's Aline's immortality gift.
If it was Painter Verso's soul, Painted Alicia would have been killed by the gommage.

They are real until they aren't.
The question is moot once you have literal "gods" who can intervene, create, erase, even rewrite any of them at will.

they wear their inspirations on their sleeve

They are real people with real emotions and real lifes. The painters and other artits are basically gods who can create new universes.

Now that the cheeto dust has settled we can agree Gustave>Verso right?

they're as real as you believe them to be

Verso displays more actual character in a subtle twitch of his eyes than Gustave did his entire life.

Besides Alicia, Clea, and Simon are there any other secret bosses post game? Grinding the tower right now before heading out to Simon again.

Did you do the canvas workshop?

so can I actually fight the final boss in act 3 straight away coming off the paintress fight or do I need to grind?

Yes, Gustave is a good person that wants whats best for his friends and family. Verso is a backstabbing hypocrite.

I am playing what I liked I just have hundreds of games I like to get through

Yup. Think I beat all the chromatics and the giant flying snake too.

Canvas Workshop though that one is weak.
And the top of the tower. That's it.
Besides the dozen or so of Chromatics, Sprong and the sky snake on the world map itself.

The ending with him hugging Monoco and Esquie broke me

There is a boss hidden in the flying island right by the endless towers. You have to activate 3 statues for him to appear.

You can, and you probably should or you'll be overlevelled and oneshot the final boss.
Maybe do the Relationship quests first because those do cotnain story that should be mandatory, but nothing else.

Ben Starr is really good. He was good as Clive in FFXVI too, but Clive's dialogue was yelling a lot. He gets to do more subtle emotion with Verso.

I don't want this life

Simon is fucking impossible

How do you reach that Vestro up top the trians in Monocos station?

Expedition 60 and 70 made it inside the monolith

Damn.

shut the fuck up Clea

majority of the game is slowly trickling narrative towards you that not everything is what it seems

the first Renoir fight, paintress fight, second Renoir fight, and final Paintress fight make it VERY clear things aren't on the level

Verso literally reads a letter from Alicia about what's going on

somehow the culmination of all of this is "anime off the rails nonsense"

Just say you skipped dialogue/cutscenes, it's less embarrassing than openly admitting your understanding of media is so shallow that Animal Farm is 'shit' to you because you think talking animals is 'too cartoony'

Just finished everyone's camp event. They all hit hard especially Maelle and Lune.
Lune being the last kid of her family and all the burdens of continuing her parent's work was forced upon her while being told that her hobby were wastes of time. I guess that mirror a lot of artists' parent who push their kid to continue their legacy. This mirror Verso very well since he rebelled against his family twice by becoming a musician irl and by killing the praintress.
I wonder if I fucked myself out of Lune's romance by having sex with Sciel. She did say something about that... Knowing everyone's full story I think Lune would fit Verso better than Sciel.

Maelle and Alicia's fight hit hard. The Axon being spared and Alicia dying was actually very touching. Verso was pissed but he understood his sister's wish and Mealle understood his pain since she lost Gustave and regretted not letting Verso say a final adieu. Also the revelation that Verso let Gustave die was actually surprising, but once you hear the logic behind it, it made sense considering he was also ready to condemn Alicia to die off-screen, even if he couldn't stomach seeing her die in front of him, all to finish his mission.

Alicia the fake painting one, didn't deserve to be bought back to life by her mother just to suffer. Maybe it's explained somewhere, but I know Aline hate seeing Alicia's burnt face because it remind her of the fire that killed Verso. I guess unlike Renoir, Aline really played favorites with her kids.

get through 40% of the game

thinks he's done

is this your first RPG?

He's a buzzword spewing shitposter that doesn't actually have any real opinions.

A lot of anons clafiried stuff that was confusingly delivered in the game for me. Its a really cool story, but I just wish when they say things like "renoir was actually the person killing the painting people" I dont have to do the mental math of figuring out which of the 3 renoirs they mean. It's a game that's story would be really fantastic on a replay imo.

i'm trying to understand the battle mechanics still
just how useful is the basic attack?
are you pretty much forced to use skills every turn along with recovering AP from parries and dodges?
it feels as if attacking is a last ditch option once you run out of AP

I dont have to do the mental math of figuring out which of the 3 renoirs they mean.

There are only two Renoirs...

There's a LOT that's kinda tucked away in symbolism, subtlety, or just plain hidden in logs/manor doors/dialogue between characters. Though I will be honest I got an inkling of shit being weird right after the first time Maelle had a schizo episode.

There are pictors later in the game that buffs basic attack quite a bit in various ways.

Also the revelation that Verso let Gustave die was actually surprising, but once you hear the logic behind it, it made sense

Not to me. He basically let Maelle experience losing a brother again which probably just made her want to cling on to Verso more after she regained her memories of Alicia. Think she may have been more willing to come and go from the Canvas if she didn't experience that.

mfw Simon

I am no longer a Clea enjoyer. This bitch is sick in the head

the physical renoir outside the painting world

the curator

evil painting renoir

there's 3

Have you gotten to painted Clea? That's even more fucked up desu and the fact that she had the gall to order Verso around after that is appaling.

You can beat the game in 20ish hours how is that to long?

I got an inkling things would be weird when the game director said ff8 was an influence

The curator and physical Renoir are the same one

>the physical renoir outside the painting world

>the curator

They're the same person idiot.

Physical Renoir and the Curator are the same individual.

enters the Canvas

battles Renoir and Axons together with Support Weapons but also gives him an inspirational speech on his way out

undoes the damage made by Renoir and Clea, annihilates mindless nevrons, leaves peaceful ones be, brings all Expeditioners back

mends Alicia and Aline's hearts by giving them a group therapy so they can leave and come back sometimes

the painting is now a part of Gridman Universe so nobody can fuck with it, it can just exist as a full fledged world

The hero we needed

i'm still starting
which character do I pick for the Arena with the wooden doll things? sakapatate

Maelle

I could let that slide because not many people would be happy with a painting doppelganger of them, but she really just tormented one dude who loved her for literally no good reason

Maelle gets one of her best weapons if you use her.

Maelle, for the love of god pick Maelle.
You literally miss Excalibur (at least for a time) if you don't.

You are assuming that he's evil and manipulating. If you actually got that event ingame and be honest about it, he just outright says why he did it. I don't think he would keep lying about it if you decided to be honest.

cling more

She never clang to him as a brother. She always did the distinction between her true brother and her fake brother. Verso did the same, crispy deep-fried Alicia was his sister not AliceMealle.

do I have to pick her for every fight?

I realized that now, but before I was confused. I also am still kind of confused about the chronology of everything.

youtube.com/watch?v=4FIMsKKvBRM

devs are part of the choir

kino

ah...sovl...

Both endings are meant to represent both takes.

Maelle ending: painting people are as real as the painters

Verso ending: paintings are paintings and reality takes priority

There is probably missing world building in the name of being vague, like maybe its unethical to paint humans which kinda would make sense since Renoir does apologize to Verso. I think they try and leave some of the greater details open for maybe sequels (what is the writers vs the painters nonsense).

The chronology is weird because we don't have all the information on how long Aline was in the Canvas before Renoir broke in, if the Fracture happened immediately then, or how long it took for Clea to enter and create the Nevrons.

Time seems REALLY fucky between the Fracture itself and when Expedition Zero was supposed to have happened. But that might be explained by Clea's abilities.

That Gestral beach with the journal of the expeditionor who just decided to abandon the mission and chill with the Gestrals.

Her only regret was not being able to climb the wall and get the ultimate Gestral prize.

Climb the wall and the ultimate prize is a risque swimsuit.

Game can be pretty funny at times.

I actually think it's the opposite

Maelle ending: painted people aren't real and can have their free will stripped away in an instant at the will of a Painter

Verso: painted people are real and have their own volition, and can even extend that to choosing their own death

>Both endings are meant to represent both takes.

Not really. It's entirely irrelevant to the crux of the choice really. Because that world is doomed either way.

I want the video for Une vie a t'aimer

The idiotic vitriol I've seen spewed towards this game in the past week has been some of the most transparent tortanicfagging I've ever seen.

Funny enough I think it’s gotten people here to try the game more than it’s hurt it.

Mini Verso agrees that they are real at least.

fpbp. OP is a dumb retard that needs his skull caved in with a spiked bat

Wasting your time on a shitposting normalfag. Just ignore the lessers

make verso ending canon then twist the knife in the sequel by having the painters live in a fake world too but they just dont know it

The last act is Lumierre and Renoir
It's over in hours.

name 3 anime that do this

You haven’t played the game

I think that endings were written by someone

In either ending Dessendres' loose people since irl being a 4th degree burn victim sucks so I can't see Alicia coping with that and also her mother blaming her for Verso's death and being so grief stricken that she wants to live in her head, and if Alicia stays in the painting she doesn't actually revive people, but paints them anew, turning the world into a sims game where she later loses herself (which doesn't help her family at all).

Feels too much like a setup.

I really liked Gustav. For me he represented the leader better than Verso, who constantly lied to his squad. Also Verso being functionally immortal unless hes fighting Aline/Renoir/Alicia, makes him feel abit lower stakes to me than what Gustav was.

Verso isn't the leader, he's the shady fuck that would've been the final boss in any other JRPG. The frogs just had the good sense to make him and Renoir correct

Do you think this game's going to get a sequel? Or at least another game set in the same world

At this point, it'll likely get a DLC, and perhaps a sequel loosely connected to the first through the Painters/Writers universe, but not involving Verso's Canvas.

I HATE CONTENT!!!!!

Hopefully not. The story is conclusive, can only make it worse by doing so.

they're probably not actually singing on the soundtrack and it's just a cute little cameo for the music video

Apparently the developers want the it to be a franchise akin to Final Fantasy

They made a mistake of choosing a franchise name that's difficult to trademark with "Clair Obscur" then.

Gotta be. Writers are massive sequel bait.

imagine the kino if each installment is based on a different art and the final one is vidya and turn out even the artist world was a fake world then screen fade into Guillaume's face saying "Tu as aimé ça, petit con?" while looking at directly as us

Could be, but sometimes they do that sort of stuff. For Nier Automata they also have the dev team sing on the credits song.

It would be interesting to see how they make a writer centred game. Granted, I feel like a bit would be lost for any sequels because you know about the whole twist in advance.

You do know a sequel doesn't necessarily need to focus on the same characters right?

this isn't an anime story at all you dumb nigger, makes sense why you don't like it and it's because you're a fucking retard

Doesn't fall into the usual jrpg tropes

this means it has dodge and parry , retards love those

How come FFXIII was heavily criticized for having a linear world yet no seems to care how empty, linear , repetitive and boring E33 is

Clea is right about everything but she's coping with anger instead of dealing with her grief. Basically every family member is coping in some way, shape or form.

Because unlike you most people have actually played the game.

She's wrong about the painting people. They do have souls and they're not just puppets. She would torture Esquie if she could.

Yes.

Then your opinion doesn't actually make any sense as if you were actually aware of that you'd know that a sequel could easily be made without making anything less of this game.

overworld where there are many optional dungeons and overworld bosses

????

clea clearly has sociopathic tendencies but is not wrong in what she does
beating the endless tower she seems a bit nicer to alicia after

Verso's death probably changed her, she and Francois were close.

Where are people getting this? I finished the game and didn't see anything about them being close.

Did you do all Esquie's relationship levels?

Do Esquie's Relationship quest.

people who talk about jrpg """"tropes""" never played jrpgs.

because it has an overworld with lots of side content in between the main story dungeons

Then watch a 90 minute movie instead of playing videogames you boring fart

just like that? no boss rush and padding?

What parts of Act 3 are "padding" when it has one of the best endgames in the genre? Everything opens up so much, and loads of new content is plot relevant as well

he rushed the endgame without beating Simon

Oh no no no no no...

How can the plot twist be there "for the sake of it" if you yourself say it was correctly telegraphed?

Once you finish the flower level, you can see the game isn't linear.
I played FF13 on ps3 for maybe 20-40hours thinking maybe I'll get to see a fucking overworld. Guess what, I got tired of the game and dropped it. Fun fact it was around the time some god-nigger turn out to be not so nice after all. Classic JRPG slop, the ps3 disc is still gathering dust somewhere. Same with FF13-2, thankfully I bought both together used so the devs never saw my money.

what about the fading man?

The fading man is just echos of Painter Renoir.

I've spent all my points in Luck and Might and I think can't do shit now because I literally can't dodge everything, I'm before Stalact I feel like Dualliste and Monoco already drained my soul and burned me out completely from this game
What can I do at this point except quitting the game?

You should have plenty of reroll items to allocate your stats in a different way if you want.

There's items called recoats that let you redo your stats for a character if need be

Can you give me a hint on how I should spend them so that I won't be assfucked and oneshoted if I fail to dodge or pair something?

the game director said ff8 was an influence

What a chad

You spend them at the same place you spend you points. It should tell you what button to press if you look at the screen.

tfw Renoir fight #2

If you can't into dodging or parry just play it like any other JRPG and invest into def and hp. Lune has plenty of healing options and tints are restocked anytime you rest. You can also go to the dark shores and grab a picto that gives you three shields but your hp is halved.

How do I break Verso and Lune? I have Maelle, but she can't do the job all by herself. Already in Act 3 by the way.

Who is François's VA?
Felt bad for basically two shouting him because damn, the song and build up got a chuckle from me.

I have Maelle, but she can't do the job all by herself.

lmao yes she can

having the painters live in a fake world too

Anon...

The entire extended sequence leading to the start of act 3 is honestly the most kino kino I've ever experienced in a video game

KINO KINO KINO
also

alicia is weak to fire

feels bad

Thanks anon.

I know she can eventually, but I don't have enough Lumens to do it.

youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94
holy kino

That's because they're still on the French Revolutionary calendar

I can see them developing the Clair Obscur universe outside the canvas, but I wouldn't want them to touch Lumière again. Let 'em rest, one way or another.

Still a Renoir worth mentioning.

I just started act 3 yesterday so im still kinda lost of who's who and which version of the character is painted by who. What did Alicia meant in her letter that the paintress ''can only save so many''?

That one has 30 days in every month.
Verso's death date is just another title reference and the core dev team being 33 people.

paintress wasnt the one doing the gommage anon, she created the people

Verso

Cheater and the weapon that sets him to S rank immediately

Lune

Elemental Trick+Genesis

Renoir is the one enacting the gommage. Aline is trying to stop it. Because of shit Clea set up (like the Nevrons), Aline has less and less chroma every year, getting weaker and unable to stop Renoir completely. So she chooses the prioritize saving the ones below a certain age, going down every year as she gets weaker.

Don't need Elemental Trick, just the weapon that generates stains on Free Aim (and the luminas that generate AP on stuff you proc with Free Aim).

They didn't call their months February or December but rather Ventôse, Nivôse; and every single month had 30 days, didn't reach to 33

random stains are not reliable enough for genesis

yep obligatory boss rush/retreading environments

You didnt play the game

Don't forget she also has an immortality clause on the painted family and that the Gestrals are some weird Verso creation that isn't affected by anything, but can revive through Chroma.

Real life Renoir is the Curator. Real life Aline is the Paintress/weird female Curator with crazy hair
Real life Alicia was reborn as Maelle
Real life Verso is dead

Real life Aline was struck by grief after Verso died saving Alicia so she locked herself in Verso's painting because it was made with a piece of his soul and inside it she decided to paint her family to try and live oblivious of reality. The Verso you play as, the Renoir with the black suit that kills Gustave and the black-and-white Alicia with the mask are all the painted versions of the characters.

Staying prolonged amounts of time inside the painting without leaving is taxing, and it's slowly killing Aline. Each year, her power wanes and each year, real Renoir uses that to gommage her oldest creations to try and force her out of the painting. The number is a warning to her creations of how much they have left as her husband deletes the oldest ones in this 70yo going family drama. Meanwhile Clea outside is fighting the Writers, who caused Alicia's burning and Verso's death, for unknown reasons.

I generate so much AP with Free Aims that I always end up getting the right ones for a Genesis.
If not, the enemy is already dead from the free aim shots alone.

The artstyle is really bland and unappealing. Is the gameplay/story/music that good?

QTEs were some of the thing I loved about FF8 combat, be it with the gunblade or the invocations.

Renoir is the one enacting the gommage

Is he? I get that he's the curator helping the expedition because if the expedition succeed he gets what he wants which is is wife back. So he's doing both I guess? Oh and the ''evil'' Renoir was made by Aline to stop the expedition right?.

retard

Painted Renoir isn't specifically acting under real Aline's orders. He simply knows that he and his family can remain alive so long as Aline keeps going so he wants to stop the expeditions to keep himself and especially his family immortal and living. He probably knows about it cause painted Verso has real Verso's memories.

Shit taste if that's your take on the art direction.
But gameplay/Story/music are that good.
Especially music. This OST is of a level comparable to Uematsu selling his soul to the devil for 90's Squaresoft.
youtube.com/watch?v=VxfRe9wkj5Y
youtu.be/ajcSjnooBpA?list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM
youtu.be/sN91jLQJjcQ?list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM

The "evil" Renoir was created by Aline so that she has a family inside the canvas. He chose to help Aline after he learnt the truth all on his own, as opposed to Verso who wanted her to get out of the painting.

Demons Souls, FFVIII and Persona 3, godtier taste. Journey was that weird gliding simulator game about experiencing an entire lifecycle right?

Renoir didn't care if the expedition succeeded, he just wants to weaken his wife to take her out which he gets the opportunity to until Alicia awakens. Once his wife was gone, he wipes out Lumiere anyways because he's going to wipe out the entire world.

I think my biggest issue with Act 3 is that as Maelle regains her memories of Alicia she thinks of Verso as her brother again but basically all but forgets Gustave who basically becomes an after thought. I really liked how Gustave lived on in others memories as he was occasionally brought up furthering the theme that death isn't the end but in act 3 he gets basically entirely forgotten.

Is he?

Yes. Aline is the more skilled painter than Renoir (Curator), that's why Clea assists by turning the chroma from the gommage into nevrons, they're basically slowly tapping off Aline's ability to paint over time, hoping she'll eventually give up on the canvas.
Adult Verso, black hair Renoir that kills the expeditioners and grey Alicia are indeed painted variants of the family made by Aline.

Expedition 33 still brings him up and Maelle still writes in the journal.

another corporate psyop slander to insult actual good games so people stay eating slop

Nice try OP, but you are still a faggot

got it, damn it's really fucked up because everyone is in the right so to speak, expect Aline I guess. I get painted Renoir, I get real life Renoir and the painted characters like Lune and Sciel, as much as they are not ''real'', Aline made life flourish inside the painting so they have the right to live as much as anyone. That's how I see things so far anyway, im still exploring in act 3.

Gustave is probably the biggest reason as to why Maelle wants to keep being in the painting. Apart from her injury.

Keep playing Maelle has a conversation with Verso about Gustave later in the game.

Maelle is dead in Act 3. Alicia is a completely different character. There's a lot of interactions, and especially her relationship quest with Painted Alicia that drive that point home.

lmao no
The Gustave and Sophie she resurrects aren't even the originals.

Maelle identify more as Maelle than she does as Alicia.

It's a usual conversation of moving on or being stuck in the past and usually it's an entirely one sided conversation but the fact that this game toys with the conversation by giving the characters literal god like powers to create life and really bring the part or the lie into reality really changes the context where you can't even really say it's wrong anymore for them to want to live in the past cause they kind of just can.

Aline has bigger priorities to deal with, so she's right anyways.

OMLEEEEEEEEEEEETEE DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU FROOOOOOMAGE EN MOOOOOOOOOON FREEEEEEEEERE

What makes you say that?

Probably because she had lived a better life as Maelle than the cripple vegetable that is Alicia.

The Gustave and Sophie she resurrects aren't even the originals.

In what way? They aren't any less original than Lune and Sciel.

That's copium on her part. She's no longer Maelle. Maelle wouldn't have reconstituted Verso against his will. It's just Alicia larping now.

Isn't that just warioware?

Lune and Sciel are also not originals.

is she supposed to look like someone?

Sure she's not the "same" Maelle having an entire extra life's worth of memories crammed into her head but clearly from her choice to stay emotionally she's more connected with her life as Maelle than as Alicia.

She repaints people with her memories of them, and she has no stronger memories than those of Gustave. Random background Lumière citizen nº73894 will be whatever but Gustave will 100% act and think like Gustave

I like how the game doesn't even bother going into details explaining the godlike power of writers and painters.

Verso says it himself when she reconsititutes Sciel and Lune. Painting isn't about verisimilitude, it's about essence.

She's a Paintress. To a Canvas, she's a god as long as she controls the chroma. She could probably recreate the world and all of them in a Canvas of her own. It's never about them, it's always about desperately running away from her maimed real body, and the guilt of being partly responsible for real Verso's death.

They quite literally are, because Maelle managed to grab their chroma as she was escaping Renoir. With your argument, they're more original than repainted Gustave

Painting isn't about verisimilitude, it's about essence

So they are in essence the same. I don't see how that supports your point.

They are Lune and Sciel from Maelle perspective. Not the original Aline creations. Lune and Sciel you played entire game are dead.

act 3 really jumped ship huh

So is it hinted anywhere more outright that Goblu (boss that protects the flower) is made up of the chroma from Sophie? I felt the game was hinting at this sort of thing early on

just as Painted Verso isn't Real Verso, Gustave 2 isn't Gustave 1

The story implies that the painted people do have souls and so when recreating Gustave and Sophie they were made with those souls so they are unquestionably without even a slither of a doubt, the same people exactly as they were when they died. This isn't like a Soma conversation where you can question if you're the same person after being recreated when the story is explicitly describing the existence of souls. Maelle does not create them based on memoires.

That's different because Gustave was always painted. But real Verso wasn't painted so his painted self can't be the same.

I dont understand how gradient counter is supposed to work

It works just like a normal parry but you press a different button

its a normal parry but with a massive timing window

You do it like normal, when the attack actually hits. You don't do it when the screen goes grey. The actually timing for those attacks are actually the single most forgiving timings in the entire game, even more than normal not perfect dodge.

Sophie, Gustave's prologue not-gf

She's both at the same time

They dont have souls, you brainlet. Even Aline couldnt paint her family the way they are and just made them how she wants to see them. Gestrals who are basically immortal and created by original Verso are not the same after rebirth. Its all one big cope.

Again, to repaint those two specifically she REUSED THEIR CHROMA. She didn't go around the world collecting random chroma from corpses to repain them, she took their literal 1:1 essence from Lumière's dock when they were gommaged and popped them back into existence. She didn't repain them, it was like pressing Ctrl+Z

Aline being unable to paint her family just as they were is because they have their own souls. The painted being are their own beings with their own souls.

Just chilling with his sword gf and pet rock

Only Lune and Sciel were recreated near 1:1 because Maelle could still see and read their chroma in Lumiere so shortly after being gommaged, as seen in the cutscene where she flees from Renoir.

Everyone else, especially Gustave and Sophie? They're mostly from memory.

You're making a false equivalence again. The situation with the ending and the situation with the Gestrals and with Aline recreating her family are nothing alike.

guess i should leave the thread

Renoir had all the chroma of everyone that had been gommaged. It's the same situation as with Lune and Sciel.

God i wish i would get gommage'd irl

This one scene/fight completely BTFO this fake ass french "JRPG"

youtu.be/ERLXW_I4gKQ

is verso the new marche? will we still be having threads about this shit a decade from now?

ATTERRIR
OUVRIR LA CARTE
DRESSER LE CAMP

She could only specifically grab Lune and Sciel due to the panic but in the ending she was able to specifically gather everyone's individual Chroma to recreate them. This idea that they were made from memory is quite literal headcanon. Nothing in the game ever implies that is what is happening. Nor does it ever say Alicia recreates anyone from memory. Heck Aline gives Painted Verso real Verso's memories which she obviously wouldn't know. Nothing in the game ever once states this idea you have that they're made from memory.

rofl

the third act is like an hour long.

i have no idea what the fuck youre talking about
im not gonna play this slop nobody will remember it within a year, its pure slop

Verso and Renoir were even more right than Marche was, but there'll always be those who feel cheated out of a happy ending and like to pretend Maelle's was better.
Just like Maella/Alicia pretends it is.

nly Lune and Sciel were recreated near 1:1

Nigga she cant give them their memory back. Only her own memory about them.

SeeStop making shit up

the only person who can paint over other people's creations

essentially means the ability to warp and mind control anyone and anything

The strongest...

Maelle's ending is better, not because it is entirely happy, but because it doesn't kill thousands.

they are dead and were never alive to begin with.

He's literally me fr fr

Verso genocide'd the entire world cause he was an emo faggot and wanted to kill himself

They were alive. And not all of them are dead before the ending, such as the gestrals and grandis .

she cant give them their memory back

How do their conversations with Verso continue then? The ones they always had alone, without Maelle around?

part of dead child soul eternally suffering so his angsty sister could feel better

So in Maelle's ending did she just bring everyone back to live normal lives and die naturally or would she keep everyone alive in perpetual immortality?

technically it should be "amerrir" since it over water, literally unplayable

implying camp chats are private

Maelle's ending doesn't solve anything in the long run. At most, it means 70 years or so of that world's continued existence, during which Alicia will slowly go cuckoo just like Aline.

DUDE LE EXISTENTIALISM

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. It's why games like Detroit Become Human fall flat where they have androids act 130% human but then tries to force a "but are they le really alive?!?!" with the subtletly of a lobotomization. Clair Obscur is much better at storytelling and it still doesn't stop those inside the canvas from being, effectively, as alive as you or me

stop making shit up, in act3 you can clearly see both Sciel and Lune saying stuff about their past that no one else would know especially not Maelle-Alicia

She specifically ask Verso if he would smile if he could grow old. Meaning we should interpret it as that the will all grow old.

I would rather live 70 years than 0.

Who else here things the story and setting just got worse and worse the more mysteries got unraveled? Honestly disappointed that it's all just some make believe shit revolving around a family drama. All the various Nevrons have no lore, they're just doodles, the parable of the reacher tower is spelled out to you. It's all meta and as a result felt meaningless. There's no history to the world, it's creatures and on, they were all created equally at the same time as one overall work. Took all the magic and intrigue out of the world for me. Also Verso was just plain boring, the ending of act 1 made for a good story moment at the time it happened but it wasn't worth it imo.

no you see Maelle was spying Verso while he was banging Sciel just so she could paint the memories of her orgasm back into her 20 hours later

Bravo Nolan

Sciel's character really didn't do much for me except for when she said let's go slap the east Axom first. Feel like the game cares as little about her as I did, despite her relationship scenes.

Ok then if that's the case while I fully get where Verso's coming form and don't think he's wrong at all I do think Maelle's ending is the better one. Also I feel like it fits the romantic and artsy tone of the game over the more realist and pragmatic feel of Verso's choice. I don't think "it's escapism can't you see it's not healthy" is less fitting for this game

No not really. If anything the lore implications of the setting that exists outside of the painting is way more interesting than anything the game initially set up. I'd love to see another game in this setting

WIth those 70 years being predicated on the slavery of remnants of a child's soul, while a demigod capable of rewriting you in your entirety on a whim slowly goes mad, walking amongst you trying to live her happily ever after in denial?

Nevrons' lore is that they're made to kill expeditioners and make their Chroma stay in place instead of dissipating and being collected by either dad or mom. They're also made out of expeditioners' Chroma which is why some white nevrons retain a semblance of clarity of mind.

The exact opposite for me. Everything from Verso reading the letter to Maelle sitting next to him with her brand new white hair was pure kino.

Maelle isn't capable of rewriting anyone. She isn't Clea.

they were all created equally at the same time as one overall work

No?
The Gestrals, Grandis, Monoco and Esquie were Verso's creations, and Clea played there together with Verso as children.
The human population was created by Aline after Verso died at 26.

Maelle isn't capable of rewriting anyone.

She literally does this in her ending when she forces Verso to play the piano when he was fighting so hard against doing so.

Also Ben Starr's performance is just too "voice acty" for me whereas Charlie Cox was superb as Gustave and as a result the group dynamic was great too. I never warmed up to Verso.

That's not at all what is happening in that scene.

You misinterpreted the scene. He just fucking hates his existence and the fact that Maelle is going to die in the pretend world, he's not mind-controlled.

Are painters naturally immortal or does time flow differently inside vs outside a painting?

Time flows differently.

Does Simon use a Moonlight Greatsword in Phase 2?

What are "the writers"?

youtu.be/fq3abPnEEGE

Nothing known about them beyond being similarly powerful to painters but through writing instead of painting. That and being in conflict with them.

Us. Isn't it obvious?

The devs

disgusting

The Canvas and its people are doomed in all futures anyway. Verso's ending is the only pragmatic, rational choice, even if for him it's an emotional one.

Yes, that whole fight is a clear tribute to Dark Souls.

"the abyss"

fall down very long pit

sword graveyard

one armed guy with big sword doing wild swings

moonlight sword

stupidly difficult

Those thousands are already dead, and who knows how many of those returned are also enslaved to Maelle's vision of a perfect life.

alicia is weak to fire

cruel.

Being doomed in like 80 years time is still a full lifetime they would not have lived otherwise.

It's left for interpretation but there are heavy implications that Maelle would go insane as a God of Lumiére. By the way, she killed Alicia in cold blood most likely to erase her rival from Verso. Painted Alicia is the real victim of the story.

It has a high chance of leading Maelle to suicide in the real world. The scene isn't framed like a "growing up and letting go of delusions of youth" scene, it's framed as a "I have nothing more left" scene

is this game actually like persona?

It's not really living if they don't leave an impact. For all you know there's life in the very air you breath, but do you care?

No one is enslaved, except maybe the soul of real Verso.

nice

That we know of. If she did it to Painted Verso, she could do it to anyone

She didn't enslave him. She just didn't kill him.

Yeah I killed your sister and now I will force you to play the piano for me in all eternity, or until my schizo sister returns with more evils

That's more like a headcanon with the specific intent of making Verso's ending seem worse than it is. The scene is very much framed with a more uplifting note.

Verso killed her brother/father. It's only fair.

Verso was gonna 'kill her' anyways by ending the painting

She denied him his free will and ability to self-determine.

It's about as much headcannon as calling the Maelle ending doomed.
Verso was going to deny everyone in the canvas their free will and self-determination.

Monoco says when Gestrals are reborn they will never be the same

Verso saying painting someone back is about you imagining their essence

Doesn't that mean you're only creating someone out of your own personal impression of who they were? And not that you're bringing back someone just as they were. Are they really the same person at that point.

Man, I'm getting fucking Soma flashbacks.

Renoir/Clea are going to 100% burn the painting after Maelle dies, her ending is absolutely pointless and pure fantasy.

youtu.be/3kMbTzomh94

I have to disagree. I didn't feel it was framed like you describe at all.
Especially considering the ending theme.
youtu.be/EWEK2-6whZI?list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM

If she's dead then there is no reason to destroy the painting.

Verso was going to deny everyone in the canvas their free will and self-determination.

The only people left at that point are the party and the creatures, by adding all of the hypothetical lives you might as well say that having Maelle stuck in that painting makes it so that she can't draw more worlds, ending innumerable possible lives.

Not hardly, the Canvas getting destroyed when Maelle dies is a bit of speculative headcanon, but Maelle dying in the Canvas very much is not. The framing of the scenes is completely different.

Clea would probably pull her ass out of it long before then, she doesn't fuck around

imagining their essence

No he says it's ABOUT essence. Imagination is not mentioned.

People who argue about Verso/Maelle endings ignore the obvious elephant in the room: Painters have different opinions on the subjectivity of the painted beings and as far as we know they could be commiting a genocide and not caring about it based on their personal opinion on their creations' ontological status. In fact, time and time again they repeat that being in the canvas is addicting and feels extremely real. Renoir and Cleo are basically willing to bet lives of a shitton of (potentially) people on them being 100% correct about everything (which they might not be and they're not even willing to perform any kinds of tests to prove their point of view).

out of your own personal impression of who they were

yes

Are they really the same person at that point

no
But brainlets like to cope and dine reality.

That's exactly the reason to do it. Do you really think Renoir would keep a constant reminder of his lost son and daughter around for funsies?

Be Clea

Go into the canvas

See some nigga swooning and gooning to your painted copy

Make him her murder machine and seal him in the abyss for his crimes of worshiping her copy

Paint over your kawaii waifu self and outsource your nevron making to her

Understandable desu, Clea was right to do that.

That's most likely true, however whether you create a thinking being out of nothing or recreating an already dead thinking being, you're still fucking murdering them when you erase the canvas.

Do you really think Renoir would keep a constant reminder of his lost son and daughter

Sounds exactly like what a parent would do. What do you think a gravestone is?

Also Aline is still alive and might dive back in if another kid bites it

He was specifically bent on destroying the painting because it was such an alluring way to reconnect with his son. Evidently Maelle would leave similar residue, it is absolutely certain that he would destroy it.

Yep, she also finally seems stable in Verso's ending, accepting his death.

It's not hypothetical lives. It's lives that existed but were killed and has the ability to come back. There is nothing hypothetical about it.

I don't think the Gestrals being reborn works the same as someone being brought back by Maelle but the game doesn't explicitly say so so I guess it could

The thing is: the elephant is irrelevant. Not only Verso's Canvas, but all Canvases that undoubtedly exist by the Dessendres, and other Painters, are at risk due to the war with the Writers.
Verso's Canvas is ultimately doomed in all possible events, but sacrificing it to pull Aline and Alicia back to reality count save myriad other worlds, future and present.

Yet Lune and Sciel are exactly like how they were before.
It is obviously nothing like how it is for the Gestrals.

Its not about fucking canvas but about real people. Maelle turns to be turbo selfish cunt after she gains her memories back and is willing to let her mother die and her dead brother soul to suffer just to feel better. Not at any point in time she thinks about people in canvas or gestrals or even her own family. It becomes about her and what she wants. The first fucking things she does in act 3 is trying to manipulate Renoir saying she is his favorite child.

It's up for interpretation but all the people brought back basically being dolls made from Maelle's memories feels like a cheap cop out and runs the contrast between the 2 endings where both feel equally legitimate.

Just as she has the ability to make brand new lives. It's playing god either way.

The only clear thing about it is that Chroma can change forms and transfer from being to being. Like white nevrons were once expeditioners and the final one of them is 100% lucid and remembers the fact.

Shitty parents deserve a shitty child.

They are not shitty parents by any means.

This is like saying that a woman who isn't always pregnant is preventing the creation of life which is the same as killing people.
It is an obvious difference between life that has already been created and life that has the capacity to be.

Aline paints Alicia with her burn scars because she blames her for Verso's death.

Spoken like a person with shitty parents.

Maelle turns to be turbo selfish cunt after she gains her memories

Having Alicia's memories doesn't change her still having Maelle's. Of course she's gonna care about someone like Gustave who she saw as a father and brother for her entire life inside the canvas.

There is nothing natural about bringing people back to life, it is just as unnatural as making them from nothing in the first place.

Just Found out that Clea was Laezel. Shadowheart wasn't the only one from BG3

Since she remembers she now realizes the canvas gives her an opportunity to have a normal existence with the new people she's come to love. Where she can talk and not half her face is burned away. You can't entirely blame her for pushing for it, especially if the painting feels real. And real life will be a tough reality for her to return to.
Verso is right, though.

There was nothing natural about the gommage either. All she is doing is restoring order.

But the people are already dead. The ability to resurrect/recreate them doesn't mean they're currently alive.

wall of paintings by various family members

alicia's painting is tiny and she comments that this was the only one acceptable by aline's standards

wants to play a JRPG

doesn't want to play JRPG content

I don't know what to tell you, nigger.

We were Gustave for the entirety of the first act and both as a player and as a character believed in the reality of the world and purpose of our mission of saving it. After finishing the game, I still kept believing.

That's just her delusional cope, they shouldn't have been made in the first place.

In fact, the only problem with the gommage is that it's not instant for everyone. If everyone gommages at once then it's way better than the slow torture of the sequential gommage. Aline fucked it up for everyone.

If someone is temporarily dead in the hospital the doctors has every duty to try and bring that person back to life.

its a mystery

Basically I hate anything cool

it's better to not have lived at all than to have lived only to die

You might hate living but most don't.

Does anyone just want to give Alicia a hug?

bosses rarely have 2 phases and there's 0 bosses with 3 phases (I think?). There's only one fake out ending and only 3-4 boss fights at the edge of reality.

She is to blame and she refuses to take any responsibility. Every family member is grieving in his own way but Alicia is a just indifferent.

game explicitly states that for Aline art is constant strive for perfection and even such acknowledgment means a lot

They're not living, they're not real, they're golems.
There's a reason why they can be brought back but the painters can't just resurrect each other.

Just in act 3 is there anything I should do before heading to Lumiere? All the optional bosses are still obliterating me.

expecting a good game to only have two acts

Obviously there was going to be a third, what?

I want to sign up her and her family for communal therapy.

What if they have a DNR order, like Verso would in this metaphor?

Maelle, sure. Painted Alicia, sure.

Alicia can go die in a fire.

do reacher and frozen hears. You will get enough levels there to explore more after.

Get the pictos and upgrade your weapons. I started building my Maelle correctly and I've started getting 1.5 mill on her damage.

Max out all relationships. Finish challenges in the endless tower (there are some kino ones). Go meet the third axon.

She is to blame

You're an awful human being. Blaming your daughter because your son decided to act like a big brother and protect her is sick.

Verso's room in the manor is one for a child, it still has toys sprawled out and even a plushie on the bed.

So did he move out of the manor when he was growing up, or..?

Relationship quests, nothing else unless you want to oneshot the final boss.

Verso is asking to be actively killed. Not just not resuscitated

You are aware that same logic can be applied to you right? What grounds do you think you stand on to decide what constitutes life and what doesn't?

No, do Lumiere first to have a proper boss fight, after that you're still free to do anything in the world. Going into NG+ is optional.

Did I get cucked from fucking Lune, the better girl for Verso, by having sex with Sciel?

Yes.

Aline might've painted it the way she wanted to remember him? "My sweet boy", etc.
Real Verso died at 26.

By the universal rules of that world they fundamentally are not the same beings as the painters, so they can't be held to the same standards. It is very simple.

Until you can point out god to me in this one, I think my point stands.

Yes, your desire for instant gratification betrayed you

Clea is the most based character in the game and anyone who thinks otherwise is a massive faggot.

that's a funny way to spell Renoir although she's a close 2nd.

I love people that can't keep it in their pants for five secons and rationalize that if the game is now introducing "romance options" with Sciel, chances are there's gonna be one for Lune as well.

Yet the family portrait has him as an adult and she did paint her as one given that that's what the painted Verso is.

Her family definitely needs therapy. I just realized how heartbreaking the story is. I just want to hug Alicia and tell her that I'm sorry.

Anon doesn't like turn based rpg being 30h long

when any AA to AAA turn based vidya ever is longer than that

Thats how the genre works you fucking fagget

If you reach Camp in Act 3 and still don't know what's going on you are just a retard who lacks deduction. Turn your brain off and just watch the pretty light fly across the screen. Do this for everything going forward too. Spare smart people your retarded questions.

"explore" into new regions

half of them are just empty zones with an NPC or a boss

That parts kinda lame. Otherwise enjoyable.

The story is not about her. Its about Renoir and Aline.

Do the companion side quests then head straight to Lumiere

game gives you content

mad that you get content

please never play chrono trigger or final fantasy 6

Most of them look cool and the environments (almost) never repeat, that's what elevates them above filler zones in other games. Plus those bosses usually have cool gimmicks if you don't oneshot them

The answer is actually deceptively simple, Mon ami

I know the story centers on the family, but Alicia is so heartbreaking because she's traumatized by the burns.

The story is about the Dessendres

There are some really, really undercooked areas.
I'm looking at you, casinos. You have an unique place with unique music and NOTHING.
Clearly they ran out of time.

No shit they aren't the same but how does that logic extend to saying they aren't living and that erasing them is justified how does that logic justify treating them to a different standard? You're making shit up that isn't there to justify an argument your own logic doesn't actually support. You're making a leap

You are a little retarded

was there an actual reason for the number being written on the monolith that I missed?

I'm pretty sure its trannies mad about it being way more succesful than Metaphor

Following last thread

Act 3 spoilers don't read

1. If the REAL-REAL People are ejected when they die inside the Painting, why wasn't Maelle/Alicie ejected out of the painting at the end of Act 2?

It's Aline's warning to the people.

Riding BG3 into E33

Holy shit, those girls know.

playing "we have final fantasy at home"

GEE WIZ I HOPE THERES NO JRPG TROPES

are you stupid or what

Decades of talentless Japs doing the "DURRR WHAT IF YOU HAD TO KILL GOD??" trope

French do one game and spin it on its, making the player the god

Kino.

They are painted automatons that are restricted by the canvas they are built on. They act human, they look human, but they are not human. I also don't see how you can, if we assume that they are just as human as actual people, then state that it is fine to simply ignore potential worlds from ever existing with thousands, if not millions of people.

Act 3 here, who the fuck is Clea?

She didnt die. Its just Renoir took all the chroma left after Aline left. And Maelle was a simulacrum created from Alien chroma when she entered canvas.

Bruh...

nigger if you are in act 3 you played epilogue. Are you fucking retarded?

DLC casino mini games

Renoir's gommage breaks up the chroma of Aline's creation. Alicia isn't Aline's creation, only the layer of chroma that rebirthed her as Maelle.
Maelle died. Alicia didn't. Verso was right when he said she's not really Maelle.

then state that it is fine to simply ignore potential worlds from ever existing with thousands, if not millions of people.

Why aren't you making babies right now? You are ignoring the dozens of children you can create by being here shitposting.

Did you even watch the post act 2 cutscenes? She's alicia's sister.

Why can't other game devs take a hint and make more AA games without all the filler bullshit?
This game is so refreshing to play.

Killing Maelle as Verso

I both hate her and love her, and I know she doesn't belong there. But jesus christ that scene is so sad and she looks so terrified.

there is like a half of bg3 cast there.

They are painted automatons that are restricted by the canvas they are built on.

We're equally restricted to our plane of existence so again your logic is flawed

They act human, they look human, but they are not human

In what way? You can't assume a conclusion without basis to justify it. You aren't making an argument to justify your stance, you haven't said ANYTHING about why they should be held to a different standard(obviously cause you can't since there is no logic).

I also don't see how you can, if we assume that they are just as human as actual people, then state that it is fine to simply ignore potential worlds from ever existing with thousands, if not millions of people.

What the fuck argument even is this? We don't know about what we don't know and we can't care about what we don't know. You're making another leap in logic.

Because she was "painted over" by Aline's chroma. That's why she gets reborn as Maelle in the first place. That's what fades away act 2, and then her real self (Alicia) exists in the canvas, as was the intention when she entered.

I did but that bitch appeared for 3 minutes and was a dick to Alicia

Thanks anons

Game is like 20-something hours to beat with relaxed pace and 40-something to 100%, and all that time is really dense and good and feels well-spent.

Clea is exactly the kind of person who WOULDN'T do it. She's saying throughout the game to let Aline rot in there. The only reason she helps Renoir is because she admits she needs him to fight the writers.
This is even more backed up by the fact that Clea constantly calls Alicia useless and is actually happy when she gets painted over by Aline.

How many affection ranks do characters have?

Now explore all optional areas in act 3, especially flying ones and the tower

You are going to get to know more about her if you do the act 3 side content

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Thanks

I just wanted to ask. Alicia was painting the world as well alongside her mother Aline? The entire family was painting including Clea?

I would make fuckbots if I was a god of creation, sure.

We are restricted, but there are also no beings above us. In their world there is a clear distinction so the comparison is moot.
They aren't human because they do not adhere to the rules that we do, it's very, very simple.

It's not really a leap of logic at all, you're assuming that somehow future potential can't be used as a talking point and that's pretty stupid.

You did it out of love.

I do think she cares and would probably do it.
She's a cold-hearted, pragmatism to 11 bitch, but in the end she cares about her family in her own way.
She's willing to do absolutely depraved shit to Canvas denizens she doesn't recognize as real, but she does care for her family, though she's very abrasive about it.

Not that particular Canvas, no.
Verso's Canvas was just Verso's, though Clea played with him in it as a child, and the human population was created by Aline.

Absolutely kino as fuck boss fight

Everyone is just one shotting him

Act 3 should have had a 1 mil damage cap.

Back when Verso was alive children used to play there. Verso and Clea have to most in the world. Renoir painted 4 axon, one of each family member. How much input was from Alien and Alicia isnt clear. But Esquie and gestrals are painted by Verso and Francois and Tower by Clea.

Sophie has Clea's face

Simon's left arm is fucked like Gustave's

he gets funny in NG+, though you can still cheese him with never-dying Verso shenanigans.

The world was Verso's (and to a lesser extent Clea's) creation. Alicia actually had little to do with it if Clea is to be believed. She says Alicia spent most of her time couped up in her room while Clea and Verso played in his canvas.

Literally everything you're saying is just mental gymnastics and still despite all that doesn't actually justify your conclusion. There is no one to one connection in anything you're saying. It's 1 + 2 = 5. That's what you're doing. Reaching.

Okay, good argument, glad you posted it.

op here, just beat the game
story was amazing, i shouldnt have judged it before the finish

Honestly when Verso appeared for the first time I thought he was a Gustave's clone. And the game would be about clones or some shit. Honestly incredible how Maelle doesn't say even a single time that Verso looks like Gustave

There's nothing to argue cause again you aren't actually saying ANYTHING that actually justifies your own stance.

I thought the writing was going to pull a Xenoblade 3 and be about a looping story, with Renoir/Verso/Gustave and The Paintress/Alicia/Maelle all being the same person.

Gustave, Verso and Renoir are all motion captured by the same person.

They also use the same weapon(same with Renoir) so I was convinced the whole game that all 3 were the same person like from alt universes or some shit.

"Oh man, they're already this close to the Monolith? I guess there's prob gonna be something fucking up ever-"

Same to you, you've posted nothing except

No it isn't because it just isn't.

I have demonstrated that there exists a strict hierarchical system within that world, you have posited pointless semantics.

Can someone please explain the real world story of Expedition 33? I'd like to know all about Alicia, Clea, Aline, Renoir, and Verso.

Yeah him and Renoir look so similar to Gustave I thought it was going to be like, Verso was an older version of Gustave and Renoir was an even older version of him.

Sure, let's do it while we're on page 8. It's based on-

I'm not the one making any claim. You are. I have nothing to justify.

I have demonstrated that there exists a strict hierarchical system within that world,

And you haven't demonstrated a justification for the difference in treatment or the reasoning for not considering them living. You're just pulling mental gymnastics.

The french invented isekai/VR DEEP Dive in fictional France.

Shenanigans issue

My literal first thought about the story was Renoir was old Gustav and the game was about an infinitely perpetuating cycle, where Renoir went back in time to stop E33 from winning, which explained why he was so OP in the prologue.

Their justification is infinitely more outstanding than whatever drivel you've spouted. An effective god of creation can't be held to the same standard as a lower being, even if they were human to you.

Imagine if god came up to you, would you just go

Wow, he's just like me..

Are you that egoistic? That deluded?

Ok why? A mother creates her child. A child cannot create their mother so are we forever trapped in this hierarchal relationship with past generations? Make a fucking point you moron instead of just repeating your stupid begging the question ass mental gymnastics. Justify your own stance or shut the fuck up.

If god came up to me I'd kick his god ass

So you see yourself as a god, I get it, of course you couldn't understand.

Retard

what are some other entries in the "M. Testard shreds out a guitar solo out of nowhere" genre
youtube.com/watch?v=Np4QfCyIrKs
youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94

Don't smite me bro.

I'm on my own quest of collecting all tracks which are super electronic out of nowhere like sakapatate boss fight theme

Get smited then. Your logic seems to imply you think it would be justified since having someone above you supposedly makes you a fucking golem. You fucking golem.

Still not smited, guess you weren't god after all.
One more god rejected.

Yeah so why did you call me one? You fucking retard. I never said that. You did.