Will the Mario Mandate™ ever end?

It literally happened in Strikers, why are you acting like it's a hypothetical?

an edgier Mario design

in one of the most boring Mario RPGs of all time where it would have ZERO effect on the plot

The implication seems to be a more realistic Mario who actually reflects the ware of battle and adventuring. So Edgy Mario is a Mario that can actually get hurt and tired like a person instead do Tom and Jerry animations.
What do you mean, Mario is 23.

super paper mario was edgy mario and the thing everyone praises about that game is the story
i think it worked pretty well desu

Good on Nintendo for knowing their limits. They need to keep away autistic fanfic writers.

It's hack shit

Yeah and retain literal trannies and man children

so nintendo didn't even develop said game?
the absolute state

Imagine if Nintendo had their own Ian Flynn

a Mario that can actually get hurt and tired

soo....what ended up in brothership?
it sounds more like they just wanted a different outfit

If edgio had been allowed the plot would have been worth

this mario is too edgy

meanwhile super mario strikers mario...

What, making it a popular character instead of another star fox or f-zero?

Edgy just means a story with substance and things at stake. E-102 gammas story in sonic adventure is edgy by series standards.

They wouldnt even need to change any of his clothing or costume to get a more "gritty/edgy" Mario.
It's already established that Mario is a good fighter, just make him roll up his sleeves when he's mad and have it reveal bigass hairy arms that rival Wario's, maybe a little more angry face.

Cringe

It's not the first time Mario has tried being edgy considering Strikers and plot-wise Super Paper Mario and Partners in Time were edgy I'd argue. Not like the series was meant to be purely for kids either though, Miyamoto has always wanted it to be for everyone, he banned Mario doing the peace/victory sign due to how childish it was even.

No idea, it's on-tier with prototype cape Mario from SMW to me.

In corpo terms, "edgy" means anything above Mickey Mouse Clubhouse

fuck off treehouse employee

a story with substance and things at stake

None of the Mario & Luigi games take themselves seriously.

Almost edgy enough to look like he's in a european foot ball stadium.

You don't have to be super srz to have some subtance instead of being some Dora the Explorer tier garbage

Again, why would you do that with a Mario game? He jumps on things and says funny Italian phrases, why do you need to write a cringe edgelord chuuni fanfic story for fucking Super Mario?

*substance

The Mario & Luigi series is LITERALLY Dora the Explorer tier garbage when it comes to writing. Every game after the first has a fucking talking tagalong to regurgitate exposition and tell you where to go.

Why do you want every Mario game to be PBS Kids tier slop?

the normal mario world antics are just a play. like, the mushroom kingdom is so peaceful that bowser just invades and steals peach to make things interesting. it's pro wrestling kayfabe.
mushroom kingdom sports on the other hand, everyone takes absolutely seriously.

SMB3, SMW, 64, and the first Paper Mario are bad because they don't have edgy plots

The last time a Mario story tried to be "edgy" we got this overrated amalgamation of tragic villain cliches and one dimensional characters

why would you do that with a Mario game?

Because it's different and they insist on making more mario games anyways.

Even Mickey was allowed to regain he's edge back.

Because that's what works. I don't want Mario waxing lyrical with long soliloquies about the nature of man vs god, I just want him to see a big monster, say MAMMA MIA and then jump on its head three times

Why can't Mario be both? It's a series that has tried experimenting with so many things over the decades and resonating with so many different type of people. Limiting the series to be one way or the other is just dull and going to let new ideas never be seen.

There comes a point where you're so far removed from what the IP is that you should make something original instead

That's the problem, the series doesn't want to experiment anymore.

This series ended years ago and people conveniently forget that

They should be making something original anyways.

Nintendo does something original

LE FORCED SOUL

Nintendo does something traditional

SOULLESS CORPO SLOP

Luigi blowing enemies brains on the floor is pretty edgy, we need a sequel to that game.

mariozuki

Yeah okay whats original about Wonder

The game would be different if were designed a different way.
Are you slow?

Depends on how it's executed, I never felt Mario didn't feel like Mario when it tried edgier things in the past. And on the inverse I'd argue Mario stopped feeling like the IP when they practically soft-rebooted it with NSMB considering all of the redesigns they did to the characters and world. Alongside having no new 2D games for years prior to that game. This point of view can be taken in so many different ways and ultimately that train of thought just sounds like fear of trying new things. You will never know what will work and what suits a IP unless one tries and it just has happened significantly less with Mario in recent times. It's like how for a random example we got Mario+Rabbids, an idea people made fun of when it first leaked and people thought it made no sense but ultimately it was praised in the end for the most part.

I agree, I feel it has been improving in recent years but it's not nearly as creative as it used to be as well.

The power ups, Wonder Seeds, and badge system. Are we going to pretend they're not new to 2D Mario? By that logic, World only introduced Yoshi and Super Mario Galaxy did nothing original.

"Creating something original" is adding an extra step that makes the new IP come across as derivative and deprives the IP it was originally designed for an opportunity to further flesh itself out. Mario would be a worse IP at best if all of the cool one-offs it produced become something else's stolen valor and would still fail to become a Nintendo mainstay in the present day. At worst, he'd have been dead ages ago.

Mario and Luigi have some scuffed clothes

noooo you can't do that!

But edgy Mickey Mouse is the best Mickey Mouse

Don't you dare talk shit about F-zero

You are evil

Is this some fan game?

you don't know what edgy means
shadow the hedgehog [game] is edgy, gamma's story is just a sincere story

PREPARE YOURSELVES
MARIO AND PAULINE MIGHT BE GETTING BACK TOGETHER

You know this seems like the best thread to possibly ask this, but my friends and I play tabletop Mario(1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Super_Mario_RPG) and I was curious about what you thought about my 'world state' of the Mushroom Kingdom and if it breaks the mandate enough.

All cities, towns, and settlements from SMRPG and the first two Paper Marios exist

Areas from mainline platformers exist(I can't be fucked to include every SMB3 or Odyssey area)

Some places from MK such as Mushroom City from Double Dash exist

Races other than Toads live in the Mushroom Kingdom. However there is something of an apartheid as goombas, koopas, and monty moles live in their designated towns and generally don't come to Toad town

Rare games, specifically Banjo and Conker and their respective islands(Isle O' Hags and Windy) exist. Dunno if the campaign will take us there

Mario married Peach and is the King of the Mushroom Kingdom, Luigi is the Sultan of Sarasaland. This is really just a way for me to explain why they aren't adventuring anymore

Sarasaland's primary citizenry consists of Dryites, Shy Guys, Ninjis, and those muai statue guys from Odyssey

Sherbet Land is a fractured land up north consisting of warring penguin tribes and Jarldoms. Including the bumpty towns from the Paper Mario games and the Snowmads from Tropical Freeze

They are edgy though

throwing hammers smb3

kicking and punching in 64

Mario can't have rizz no more

He just looks gay

this

Make something different that doesn't look GAY. IS IT THAT HARD?

Who is excited for Mario to appear in Donkey Kong Bananza?

more realistic Mario who actually reflects the ware of battle and adventuring. So Edgy Mario is a Mario that can actually get hurt and tired

vulnerable Mario

edgier

doubt..
Not with that art style. look how flat and over saturated it is.

How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

This Mario squeezes Peach's ass....then sniffs his finger

I don't buy Mario and Peach's relationship anymore.
I'm ready for the franchise to move on.

Edgy Mario... is Mario in a raincoat and wearing Megaman boots.

yfw tribal tattoos were more popular with gay men

if Mario had boots on, they would have completely overhauled the plot about plug people feeling lonely

I want you to sit down and think about how fucking retarded you are.

partners in time was relatively edgy

tfw most I, Mario concept art has been lost to time and photobucket watermarks

lets make mario interesting

miyamotos mfw

I'm glad they didn't go with this. Looks like those stupid "Mario if he indie" examples.

You may not know this zoomie but spinoffs were allowed to be fun once

strikers was literally the only spinoff to do this

He looks like the Toei cat.

we'd unleashed acquire into the wild, only to go chasing after them again

Did Ramesh Sandeep write this? It's not English.

Mario 1000000

Zelda 30000000

Metroid 1000000

Pokemon 6900000

No and also it's a reasonabe mandate. Mario is bing bing wahoo man, why try to turn him into a character.

Cheap Nintendo using unreal engine and unity

Intelligent Systems pulled it off while still being fun and goofy as all Hell

He already is a character.

but he's bland and boring

That's the point. He's the everyman. Nintendo's Mickey Mouse.

inb4 BUT THAT ONE TIME MICKEY MOUSE DID SOMETHING

Mario sometimes does something too. They retain their image the majority of the time.

Intelligent Systems pulled it off

No they didn't, they literally just ripped off a bunch of other things to write a shitty "love story" where you're supposed to feel bad for a "misunderstood" shit head
They even had the TOTALLY UNEXPECTED SUBORDINATE TRAITOR shtick

Holy shit I remember this it was kino! Do you have a gallery with what’s still around?

Intelligent Systems pulled it off

fun

Outside of the Blumiere/Timpani stuff SPM is the definition of anti-fun. The entire game is designed to waste your time and everyone gives it a pass because apparently it's okay to do that if the game nudges you in ribs every five minutes to remind you it's being ironic.

I know

le Spongebob roller coaster.tiff

But Brothership did deal with some themes that might have hit harder with a little more leeway in terms of tone, and an ""edgier"" design for the bros might've worked better there.

I'm fine with what we got, but it'd be nice if the devs were allowed to go a little more off the reservation.

they would have completely overhauled the plot about plug people feeling lonely

NTA but the point is that it's really anyone's guess how much different the plot to Brothership might have been before the Mandate slapped it down. I don't think it would've been super dark or anything, but I think it's reasonable to assume that if they mentioned wanting to make Mario's design "edgier" then the plot would have also followed suit. I think it's silly to assume that the plot would have been 100% the same as it is now if they had been allowed to do the Mario designs they wanted.

And I while don't think Brothership's story is high art and is certainly flawed, your description of the plot is oversimplified, and I feel like it deserves at least a little more credit than that.

super mario RPG?

Maybe the next open-world 3D Mario will explore Mario and Peach's relationship, and at the end, Mario decides that he should reunite with Pauline.

picture of miyamoto

lee bait?

Woah dude we need Mario to swear and drink and have sex!

Ok, Egoraptor

you're a nigger, this board is so full of revisionists that it's insane

he's supposed to be bing bing wahoo man forever!!

you can turn him into a retarded elephant, or play dress-up in odyssey, but a cape and no smile is heckin too far!!

there really needs to be a stronger word for the sheer mental illness of tendies

They arent gonna do it to mario, but they could do it to link
Link being in a more serious game would be nice, don't need blood splatters when you hit monsters but having a little bit of grit to the style would be welcome now
I liked the finishing blow from TP because you actually fucking impaled something rather than just slapping it around

nta but Super Paper Mario being good is a revisionist opinion in the first place. People hated that game at first and then started pretending it was good because Sticker Star came out and hit unprecedented levels of shit, so it started being looked at as "Well at least it's not Sticker Star"

There comes a point where you're so far removed from what the IP is that you should make something original instead

agreed

all these deleted posts

Someone was caught posting cunny.

Yeah, Mario has never transformed via some powerup before................

yeah, starting with Wii-U mario, he became flamboyant and detached. Culminating in full-retard with Odyssey transforms.

they ruined peach with the movie, might as well ruin mario.

There's an enormous overlap between Paperfags and Sonicsecondaries that clapped at the melodramatic shonenslop in the 2000s.

When Sonic stops being dogshit doing Edgeshit.

No universe is a teen being edgy likable to anyone that isn't a teen
Mario isn't for teens, he's for everyone. Hense, no edge.

Because that's his branding. It's like asking for fucking bluey to be a JRPG.

lol if you want edgy pick a different franchise, Mario is all about having a good time

There comes a point where you're so far removed from what the IP is that you should make something original instead

Ironic no one is asking for this anymore despite bitching about it non stop in the Wii era that lead to Splatoon being created and fapped to by the Wii U era to but nothing new since was created because now everyone wants rehashslop.

Sadly

The closest thing to an 'edgy' Mario was the '93 film and I actually think there's potential in this particular version. Otherwise, a 'dark' Mario could just be a Mario game with a more serious, fairytale tone. Think Rayman 2 or even the DKC trilogy. Some things are grittier and the stakes are high but it's still lighthearted enough where it counts.

I really didn't like Brotherhood. I don't think making Mario edgier would have made it a good game.
The whole game felt low effort, like it was made by soulless wageslaves simply collecting a paycheck. Maybe that's because they didn't have creative freedom with it, who knows.

What does that even mean?

You're a grown man, maybe it's time for you to leave toddler games for the toddlers.

Gamma's story isn't edgy at all by series standards

Thread about Mario

Sonic out of fucking nowhere

that's the neat part, they won't.

Hold out hope Anon.
We must all count on Donkey Kong Bananza to jump the Mario shark.

should've just made a third brother that wears all black and carries a semi automatic machine gun to trigger Anon Babble

edgy mario

epic mickey

"Cool Darker Mario" is cringe as fuck, literally every manchild fanfic.

you are soulless

The moment his games stop being fun and enjoyable so never

its so funny seeing retarded newfags try this epic zinger any time they're at a dead end in their line of logic because it just comes from a completely fabricated "article". You're an NPC anony

I want to see Mario appear in Donkey Kong Bananza and speak in full sentences explaining how he and Pauline got back together.