EXPEDITION 33 SPOILERS THREAD

Endless tower for a few rounds and the frozen heart is what got me going smoothly. From there you can start taking on chroma bosses and more tower rounds to level up.

I see a lot of discussion on whether Verso or Alicia are right, but do you guys think Gustave would've sided with Alicia or Verso? I feel he could've went both ways since he wants Maelle to be happy, but also wants what's best for her and that's clearly to not stay in a "fake" world.

Just leave the open world mobs for the later. Roam around the portals instead

wrong
youtube.com/watch?v=O4DuDE_2SMs&t=4s

Go kill that big nigger walking around the ocean to get the most busted passive.

Also eventually you'll start being able to do dark shore enemies and you'll start shooting up really really fast since they always drop weapon upgrades and that is where all your power comes from

Gustave would've sided with

Sophie

this is Clea, my wife

I feel pretty confident he'd side with Alicia. I don't see how someone can see their own world as a "fake" world.

What I like about the ending is both characters are kinda selfish in their desires

Verso is forced to become Maelle/Alicia’s plaything for eternity

Alicia spends the rest of her life as a mute invalid

We know, Simon.

Gustave loves Maelle enough that he would've sided with Verso to force her out of the painting

Ultimately, I think Verso was afraid Gustave will call him out on his own bullshit

Verso is right though that she'll be fine in the end and able to paint all kinds of worlds. The ending with all her friends waving goodbye and her smiling sadly at them is very clearly framed as them living on in her heart (which apperently is what the French in the song is confirming).

Verso is right though that she'll be fine in the end and able to paint all kinds of worlds. The ending with all her friends waving goodbye and her smiling sadly at them is very clearly framed as them living on in her heart (which apperently is what the French in the song is confirming).

and able to paint all kinds of worlds

But she wants this one, it's her home retard

WE already had this discussion.
Gustave would 100% tell maelle to fuck off back to live her real life, he already showed signs before that he cares a lot more about maelle than lumiere.

imagine being a maelletard holy kek

You're delusional, Versofag. He still has students that he cares about enough to write journals for them, and his sister.

Which were already gommage'd, yes

There's literally no greater reason to believe Maelle would be happier in Verso's ending over her own ending.

VERSO / RENOIR WERE RIGHT
ALICIA / ALINE WERE RETARDED
THE WRIGGERS ARE COMING, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING PAINTING YOU WHORE

One ending shows maelle with a tense face
The other have maelle smiling
Geee wee I wonder which one brought true happiness for maelle

Are you an idiot? Ask Ciel what she thinks of gommages and death.

She'd be alive

Let's say Keighley tells Sandfall to choose 1 song to play live at the game awards. Which would they pick?

Did they elaborate at all on how Alicia was manipulated by the writers?

DLC of Big Dick Renoir coming to kill the guys who killed his son and fucked up his daughter when?

Lumiere easy

It's obviously just gonna be Lumiere

I will repeat it from last thread:
faggots who boil down the ending to escapism are retarded niggers
shit is way more nuanced and complex than that
I picked Verso's ending but still think the people in the canvas are real human beans

She read fanfics on ao33 and one of them was infected with malicious fetishes

Too late, paint cucks

Will every thread about this game be like this?
An endless exchange of copium?

If you think she looks happy in Verso's ending I don't know what to tell you. To me it's clearly a fake smile she's putting on to show her parents which instantly disappears when they aren't looking.

The main theme is officially Alicia so gonna be this one

First time?

this, the best ending for Alicia/Maelle is the hard to swallow pill to let go and not become addicted to the canvas like Aline
Gustave already lost Sophie, the person he care the most during the whole game was Maelle. He was willing to end the expedition to make sure she was safe

captcha:ha2py

If you think she looks happy in Verso's ending I don't know what to tell you. To me it's clearly a fake smile she's putting on to show her parents which instantly disappears when they aren't looking.

Thats entirely on your head, the last scene we see of her face is a smile.
The last scene we see of maelle's face in her ending is a worried, almost melancholic face.
Everything else is headcanon

Is that a tranny?

The game really needs to put some sort of warning that if you do side content before the main story you will completely trivialize the fights and ruin the experience, I had to back out and strip 50% of my pictos off to not blow through the phases on turn 1

Have sex with Sciel

Later tells me she’d trade my life for her husband’s in a second

Bitch I thought what we had was special

I'll take debates about the game's themes and endings over low-effort shitposting and waifus

It's not Umineko

Well you thinking her smile is happy is also in your head too.

The last scene we see of maelle's face in her ending is a worried, almost melancholic face.

Yeah cause she's worried about how Verso's going to live and trying to get HIM to be happy. Maelle isn't the point in her ending. Verso is.

signs of ludokino include endless debate for years, no one is talking about what ending to take for fallout4 despite selling more than NV yet people still argue over NV's faction

would he side with his pseudo daughter or the man that let him die so he could trick his pseudo daughter

He would not burn the painting but would do everything he could to get her to leave.

shoot the crystal nonstop until he breaks

they successfully made an A/B ending that's gonna have Anon Babble arguing for the next 5+ years

Bravo

It was a genuine question because that looks like a man pretending to be a woman. Maybe it's just a bad angle or something, but that's too many bad angles in that image

Maybe if you play the paino hard enough for your master she'll make some adjustments to Sciel

best part is that you cucked yourself out of Lune and she fit Verso way better since both are in the shadow of their parents

low test fag can't handle a 1900s girl with natural thick eyebrows, go masturbate to some disgusting plastic k-pop bimbo, the micro-plastic already made you sterile anyway

It's fine I just chose verso's ending to prevent getting cucked

Sell me the game, anons. Is it worth playing?

Who the fuck cares about maelle? We must protect Lune at all costs

One more victory for the french
No japanese game managed to do that.

Verso who romanced Lune in Maelle's ending would clearly be way happier than Maelle would be alone and crippled in Verso's ending.

I had sex with both

We must protect

Esquie
FTFY

kek

You fags think pussy can fix depression?

return to all these early areas to break paint stains after i found enough lost gestrals

most loot is colours of lumina

There's been some pictos but backtracking trying to find these is obnoxious

Uhhhh Mr. Pepe Le Pew, why are we recording my lines first?

The true nature of versotards

I mean it did

you should probably leave this thread

What headcanon are you using now anon?

Its painted Clea for me. That fight was sick. And it was the first time I remembered to use gommage (wtf 10 million damage?!?!) but thank god I never thought to use it until she was at like 1/8th hp or I would have robbed myself of a really kino fight.

That does the opposite of selling me the game...

Do I give into the delusions of women

or

Do I follow the men who knew what's more important

GET AWAY
GET AWAY NOW!

You guys got the part when they said Gustav's apprentices designed his fake arm.
You are telling me children are better engineers than all the rest of the adults?

Better to not play it than get spoiled on one of the best video game stories in years.

SPOILER THREAD

Puts spoilers in the OP

fucking retard

it'll probably be the song they play when you enter lumiere in act 3, since they prefer livelier songs (also can someone tell me that track's name the OST is so fucking long and I can't find it)

What can change the nature of a man?

lune, sciel, gustav disintergate into red paint

maelle into gold

paintress into gold

verso and verso's soul into white

monoco and esquie just fade away without any

what did the devs mean by this?

It's one of the best games ever made, go buy or pirate it and don't come back to Anon Babble until you're done with the story or have decided you're done playing the game

Well where else are ya gonna put the spoilers

You guys keep saying this but its really only bad with two of Maelle’s moves, gommage and stendhal. Otherwise, the occasional 1 million damage crit counter is a good thing.

It's Une Vie a t'Aimer or some variation of ti

Just wait half an hour for him to coom or the jannies to autosage.

yeah that's it, thank you

People of Lumiere start their apprentiship at 6 years old and sometime younger. Them dying early mean that they gotta start working early and speedrun life.

The final character quest bosses are all hard as balls unless you over leveled

The crew were paintress creations.
Maelle and paintress are real people / painters.
Verso is owner of the world
Monoco and esquie are the original beings of the canvas.

That nigger snake in lune's ending pissed me off to no end

Fine, I'm gonna trust you anons on this, since it's one of the few games that doesn't have any countrshilling to it, so maybe it is genuinely good. Just droped Rebirth, so I need something to wash away the disapointemnt. It better be at least decent

killed Grosse Tete twice without monoco in party

its versover

oh thank god I finally killed the snake, my last two characters are low health too

"SURPRISE MOTHER FUCKER"

I nearly threw my controller against the wall when the mages wiped me

Nigga they put the style system from Devil May Cry in a turn based RPG if that doesn’t do anything for you I don’t know what to say

So? No one else designed a prosthetic in all those years? I can accept the kids building it because gustav would only have 1 arm to work with but why the fuck couldnt he design it?

It's good

maelicia kinda seems like a brocon.

This game has a sixteen year old killing monsters in thigh high boots why is this one minor explanation the deal breaker for you

The fucking tail attack is somehow easier to parry if you don't break its weakpoint.

I will say I fucking hate rebirth and loved this for the majority of the game.

That one that plays when Gobu is butt slamming you over and over. Would mix nice into the middle of a bunch of other music.

Yes

Yes

No, Renoir is the one doing the gommage he's trying to delete every one at once so his wife will actually leave her fictional cope, she's holding him back but she's weakening over time so her oldest creations get hakai'd every year.

lmao yeah breaking it makes it do less damage but also completely removes the tell so you have no clue when to dodge or parry

can you go one thread without trying to turn this game into a cultural battlefield nobody asked for

It was a gift from them to him. He's one of the best inventor in Lumiere's history, of course all of his apprentices put together could do something like that

So renoir/clea 100% are destroying verso painting once Alicia dies right

Boring option

youtu.be/iqizXvvWnmM?si=S6ketqIMNS_65XYW

good option

youtu.be/3kMbTzomh94?si=QtRCJ0FLwn2pVMBi

BASED option

youtu.be/TcEdif_2PNY?si=_ceKlulKegHeL_k_

How can we beat him, he just keeps healing!

Me: but… Verso just one shot him…

That 16 year old just happens to be a god of the world. She also already lived at least 16 years outside of the painting so shes really >32 years old

Yeah probably. Clea is burning it most likely at the very least

Good points. A medley of a few different tracks would be best. Should definitely include Lumiere and une vie t'aimer, along with a few more standouts

Having a subtitle seems to imply that they want to make “Clair Obscur” a franchise but where the hell do you go from here given that Nevrons and Gestrals and the other creatures were creations of Verso?

Wriggers vs painters, but the second game would be spoiled of the twist that it's a fake world (probably writing themed)

where do you even take this information from?

Writers vs Painters

Our Drafts Unite at 0:34, it’s also the perfect “award announced song”
youtu.be/T_JAUK6ZEnA?si=xUC-1GLpqaVPWMxu

best part is that you cucked yourself out of Lune and she fit Verso way better since both are in the shadow of their parents

romancing lune is so fucked if you choose verso's ending. at least sciel accepts it

Not sure if he's a shill or a really weird pol racist.

I think it's a general recommend, people who really hate turn based or story shit like jrpgs will bounce off of it.

Then they aren't overleveled, no? They're correctly leveled.

Like final fantasy just a completely new story. We got everything we need from this world, any more would lessen the meaning of what came before.
Maybe keep a connecting entity between games like esquie or gestrals being the merchants that have traveled to new worlds to become the best merchants

100%, I would do it too, if it almost killed my mother/wife and it killed my daughter/sister, it also reminds me of the death of my son/brother.
Its quite literally a fucking cursed object in my house, I would burn it without hesitation

Assuming the verso ending is Canon, i don't see why a canvas made by Alicia couldn't have Geatrals.
At the very least I assume Monoco, Noco, and Esquie will be repeat characters, for sure the earlier two given they're the family dogs just given painted form

who are the (((writers)))

i one shot her. i'm sad i missed her whole fight

Its very, very likely that Game 2 won't have anything to do with the dessendres

people who really hate turn based or story shit like jrpgs will bounce off of it.

the exact opposite in my experience.

Not enough people talking about the shot of Verso staring at Maelle before he plays the piano. More cinematic than any Sony third person shooter sad dad simulator I’ve seen.

Holy shit bro. Its going to be like night and day going from that game for you.

There is obviously more than these two also, musicians is an easy one but the french also consider cooking an art.

Clair obscur is a painting term, it'll almost certainly continue to be about them, but at minimum about painters

Why did they cut like 70% of this song out of the game? Only the first three minutes are played at the beginning of act 3 youtu.be/10m7CzhQrFs?si=haF3xD0IiNhzVVsx

Monoco

Mon nègro
despite being in 1905, africa has modern borders...

You do realize that there are other painters right?

As it shouldn't. Their story has been told. They have infinite possibilities now and will have a huge budget for a brand new story under the Clair Obscur title. Lets hope they don't insult the fans in its sequel like Last of Us and Kingdom Come did.

all the different arts could be its own game and the meta-physical war beyond those pieces of arts like writers vs painters, also retard play the game instead of saying stupid shit
nevrons are Clea's creation

You do realize that there are other painters right?

Where my Dadaists at?

They probably asked for 3 minutes and the dude just autistically gave them 4 times as much as they asked for

*cane clicking sound*
*guitar riff*

”une vie a taimer” plays

I thought Verso couldn't look at Lune in the eyes because he fucked Sciel but I guess it was because she got betrayed once again. She was the one who cared the most about saving lumière after all.

I mean they randomly pulled the dude off soundcloud, if that was me I would feel like I won the lottery and overperform.

GTA 6 will not be nearly as expressive as this game despite them spending 12 years and a billion dollars on development.

Who's your pick on who hates it then? Aside from weird weeb ultranationalists?

If it absolutely HAS to be about paintings then it could be meta where someone is looking for someone and has to travel through a bunch of different paintings looking for them and its set up like mario 64 though i would prefer it to be wholly original

shitposter artists

make fun of fake intellectual who just want to sound deep and smart

these same retards are too retarded to notice they are being made fun of and start putting dadaism as some form of sophisticated high art

The Anon Babble art-form, with enough ironical retardation and shitposting you eventually get surrounded by unironical retards

he spawns in the flying manor

Next game I hope we play as a writer whose memory got wiped in a canvas, and at the end you have to choose to side with the painters or writers after learning all the details about the factions

Is the story any good? I read it is pretty mediocre

Nooooo stop chasing me tall dark evil mommy
haha

it's your standard tear-jerker.

So mediocre you have instant bump limit whenever someone drops a

who was right?

Be fair. You can also get bump limit by posting 2girls one cup vs 1 man 1 jar.

What’s the significance of the Gormage and why does the Paintress need to kill everyone of a certain age? Is it just to count the passage of time since Verso died?

how could someone finish the game and honestly still need to ask this question

Personally I think the base setup is good, but the meta narrative not as much.

The fuck are you talking about?

And here is your composing team.

Any lore locations left? I killed Simon and painted Clea and got all the journals already. Did all the relationship stuff too.

99% white

makes sense it was kino

Sciel and Verso have a deep connection too and they would've worked well if Pierre was out of the picture. I liked the bittersweetness of their romance.
That makes me wonder, did Maelle bring back Julie in her ending? Cause Verso maybe would've preferred Julie over Sciel same way she preffered Piere over Verso

I intentionally didn't use Maelle for Clea or Simon to make the boss fights kino. Actually had to learn their patterns and shit.

I was perfectly happy with a generic "go slay the bad paintress" story because gustav was fun. After the verso swap in act 2 i was less invested.
Renoirs a bitch for not being able to force his wife and daughter out of the painting, who gets overpowered by an old woman?

What would Gustave make of the whole situation after his death?

Wow, most of them look actually European. That's nuts

Lampmaster

Dualliste

Renoir 1

Both axons

Renoir 2

Paintress

Final boss

These are all the highlight fights of the game IMO. The final fight can be a bit disappointing though. They should have kept the damage cap until you beat the game, but I also understand they might have been afraid of people doing side content before the end.

They should just auto remove the painter's picto when you fight the final boss. It's obvious the finale still had the 9999 damage cap in mind.

I kind of dislike the ending choice. Verso's is obviously the most thematically relevant, but it has a big fucking asterisk attached in that you have to commit genocide on an entire world of sapient beings. I don't think it's controversial to say that genocide is bad, especially for the sake of a single family, so it doesn't really matter how satisfying or thematically relevant the ending is, it's fucked on principle.
The world shouldn't have been erased on either ending really, it should have been about whether Maelle was allowed to stay in the world or forced out of it. That way the ending choice is focused on the themes of escapism, and doesn't have a separate axis of genocide attached, which it feels like the game doesn't really care about delving into because act 3 and the endings pretty much ignore the lives of the painted people and hyperfocus on the dessendres. It's basically brushing over the actual moral questions of the ending.

Simon?

paintress phase 3 scared me fuck out when I saw phase 2 wasn't the end but turn out she healed Maella(dunno if random or it target her and verso) and I felt bad finishing her off

Simon was insane, normally when you have a phase 2, you don't get an xp screen this is the only exception the game devs did before raping your ass with his double sword slashes
then he dies, says nothing just act like a total bro and give you his sword

708892618

Renoir is 'most likely'
Clea will burn it then piss on the ashes

100% the game

Don't want to leave

I understand Maelle now

It would be funny if Clair Obscur suffered the same problem Xenoblade 2 did in that the best twist in the game became something that was just common public knowledge later, so only the people who originally played the game during its release window got the full experience of the twist.

entire world of sapient beings

Lumiere is already gone, you are just killing 2 humans. Monoco and Esquie are fine with it, they are riding with Verso's choice. Only the Gestral and ice fuckers(i forgot their name since they aren't as many of them as gestral). And to be fair, they probably have a different outlook on death anyway. You can argue they don't die since they live on in Alicia's heart. Just like how the game isn't running right now but the game's characters will always live on in your memories. Game is about grief and Renoir tells you that life give you cruel choices anyway

also what the fuck is the language of the Gestral, I hear random english and french words, who the fuck are the voice actors and what jungle island did they came from

I meant for the main story. Clea and Simon are kino fights (if you don't cheese them with 1 shots) but they aren't main story.

healed Maella(dunno if random or it target her and verso)

She gave Lune a shield for me then skipped the rest of her turns.
The devs really make you beat up a helpless old woman in the end

Clea doesn't care, she just want Renoir out of it because she need him. If anything she tell Maelle to do whatever she want but not fall for the errors of both parents.

Gestral's village is beyond comfy, wish it was real. Those paintbrush motherfuckers are pretty funny.

his boss fight theme goes from instrumental to a version with lyrics and then to a rock version

Fucking kino
These devs really understand videogames

Hate is a loaded word. I think the Lost Odyssey inspiration is apt because just like that game I think E33 is novel, but nothing I would go back to or really stick with me. I have friends that refuse to play anything but Chrono Trigger, FF, Paper Mario, Persona, etc that really got into E33.
Meanwhile we have blowhards in the media holding this up as an example of what the entire genre should be and it's created a situation where people feel the need to push back against that narrative. Which is sad and stupid because from everything I've read from the devs they love the genre and were not trying to eclipse it, just make something they would have fun with while being inspired by games they liked. It's how the system should work, but people are stupid and squander nice things.

The genocide can be undone, just like it was for Sciel and Lune. And it's not like the gestrals aren't lives worth saving as well. I just think adding that whole element of genocide to the ending choice just distracts from the actual themes, and leads me to picking an ending that feels thematically unsatisfying because it's still the moral choice.
Not to mention the whole dichotomy feels forced to begin with. Like don't give me that "we can't hide the painting, she's just going to find it" bullshit. Lock it in a fucking vault

The man all about breaking the cycle

Not breaking the cycle

He would side with Verso. Maelle’s ending is the cycle starting again shown by the fact it starts with the same shots of Lumiere as the beginning of the game

The whole narrative with artists making living worlds and the some conflict they have in real world based on their art form looks like a setup for more games in this setting, which they will likely make considering this one's success.
The problem is that I'm not interested in playing another game with

Everything you were doing from the very beginning amounts to nothing, and everyone involved eats shit

as BOTH endings. No matter how good the writing leading to those is. The target audience for this shit is some brain damaged and demoralized misery porn addicts that want to get even more demoralized because of their brain damage.

Maelle end is a dead end for the Canvas anyways. Renoir, Clea or the Writers will destroy it either way. Verso ending at least Maelle is alive and the family is healing.

bittersweet ambiguous endings is a french hallmark

So....will nobody ask the devs in an interview why gustave looks like robert pattinson and renoir looks like pierce brosnan?

renoir looks like pierce brosnan?

You might be faceblind.
Gustave is also modeled after a dev

Sad stories help you apprciate what you have. I usually don't like fairy tale happy endings.
But the stories don't have to be about painted worlds necessarily, they can be an aspect but it could be a character study of a specific painter, his great grandson quests to learn about him by entering his paintings and getting glimpses into the painter's life at different stages. You can do like 3 different paintings 1 for each act that really change the landscape up as the painter got older and his art became more mature

There is nothing bittersweet about those endings. It is just plain failure and misery for both cases.

uncultured american swine
watch some french new wave arthouse kino first before posting

turning 33 this year

beat the paintress just in time

The target audience for this shit is some brain damaged and demoralized misery porn addicts that want to get even more demoralized because of their brain damage.

So, zoomers? I watched the first episode of a new Black Mirror series the other day and the whole thing was just a boring depressing story that cultimated with the husband killing his wife to put her out of her misery before hanging himself. This is the kind of shit that passes as entertainment for current day spastics.

Just started the game. Have one question. There is an enemy on a side path that one shots my party at the start of the game. Will I be able to return to him later or will I lose out on him if I move on?

Maybe just enjoy the game and don't take the story so overly seriously

Just parry him bro, are you a scrub?

You can return to everything. Just make sure to make a note of it though because that sort of thing might happen a few times until you better understand the mechanics.
You could always just learn the attack patterns and parry everything though

Alicia growing up as a person who shed away her low self-esteem and learn to cope with grief is pure failure and misery

how about you kys yourself you absolute retarded nigger

git gud
The mimes are so of the easiest enemies too

not to sound edgy but genocide isn't inherently wrong, it simply means eradicating a group of people. some groups of people deserve to be eradicated. i'm only bringing this up because you seem really held up on that.
Verso ending was the right choice. sometimes the right choices don't feel good. but they're right.

To be fair is not zoomers fault western entertainment is cuck demoralizing shit, its why anime is so popular in the west

Why do the people of lumiere and the gestrals all deserve to be killed? Why do you weigh one dysfunctional family over the lives of thousands and thousands?

The problem is that I'm not interested in playing another game with

nigger you're making up fake scenarios and getting upset with them. this game just came out, enjoy it. go watch marvel movies if you just want to be obsessed the concept of a future product.

It was very predictable.

I'm 31

I'd be in expedition 33 since the 32 gommage would hit me

A single Painter is worth billions of painted individuals, since a Painter can create myriad Canvases filled with life.

people

Will a fast travel option unlock? The pattern isn't hard but the one shot at this point is kinda annoying.
Not the mime. I'm already off the island.

No it fucking wasn't.

They're playing god and drag thousands of innocent lives into their familial disputes. They're not worthy of respect

Alicia
It’s too good

There's some persistent malignant idea that shit like that is "deep" and "intellectual", which is deliberately propagated through mainstream.
Fart huffing pseud faggots who want to feel very smart like fall for it easily, while someone who isn't a retard whose thinking is molded by peer pressure over common sense is aware, that in the end it's just a piece of art which inflicts negative emotions on a viewer. It is something that does harm.

There are many precedents of states concerned about general public well-being having their censorship department to axe shit like this and force to write optimistic conclusions for a media intended for mass public consumption. I suspect that it may work the other way around too. Japan, the most well-known for their love for outright bad ending, is a defeated and humiliated nation under foreign occupation. You can also observe lots of depressing shit fed to enslaved population of USSR. French culture is definitely stronger and older than both of those, however, they had a catastrophic collapse and loss of hegemony once, after which they were successfully targeted by hostile bullshitting for example all that shit about joos that everyone on this site believes first appeared in 19th century France. I won't be surprised, if someone deliberately taught them about how much of a thinking man's enjoyment the pointless misery porn is.

why every developer gotta give women a fucking chiseled jaw liek some greek body builder

Would you guys prefer it if the game only do it's expedition theme until the end without the painter twist?

it's not even a genocide and they aren't killed, they are just returned to chroma form. That chroma will probably be used to paint another painting.
also all of lumière is already gone by the end
would you pick some stranger dumb paintbrush niggers over the daughter you love and the wife you love? Renoir didn't deny that Alicia's expedition friend were indeed valid and very real friends and thus people but he had to make a hard choice. He want to fix his family, he is obsessed by that but he is right as Alicia had the idea to do the same as her mother anyway.

By the time fast travel unlocks you will be 1 shotting anything around that level.
You get a faster movement in the overworld map fairly early though.
Id say once you unlock the ability to swim you can circle back if it really concerns you.

expedition 60 included a bunch of buff 50-59 year olds with maxed out strength who made it all the way to the Monolith WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION, destroyed the barrier with the power of fist, beat the snot out of clea, painting Renoir, painting Alicia, and Aline then the commander swam all the way back to Lumiere by himself, almost beating the next gommage to warn people about the curator

prefer

It's already perfect the way it is, you need to explain what the fuck the fracture is anyway
the whole game slowly give you subtle hints about the truth, you can't have the same game without that twist

Blame the wriggers for this, they caused it. Imagine how many more Canvases they will destroy if the Dessendre family is weak and broken. Clea is a bad bitch but she needs help fighting wriggers.

you cant just live hundreds of years in a paradise where you can create any love interest of your own

you have to go back outside and work a 9-5

nah nigga im stayin in the painting

The Fracture is real Renoir entering the Painting.

Ok meth addict

fast travel

Backtracking is a pain until you get the ability to fly, and even then it's still rather slow to fly from one end of the map to the other.

My point isn't about which ending is better anon. It's that the dichotomy of the endings is poorly constructed, and attaching the fate of lumiere and the world to the decision detracts from the themes about grief and escapism, because you see how we're not talking about that, we're talking about existentialism and the value of lives, when neither of the endings seem particularly interested in that aspect.

I do not consider you to be truly alive. Ergo, I will not be guilty of murder if I kill you.

Arigato anons. Decided to just not get hit.

fuck off Verso

beat the paintess

fatal error

fuck you

Still using GTX cards

so monoco is basically dogshit until you finish the game and can farm all the legs from endless tower?

Canon event

they aren't killed, they are just returned to chroma form. That chroma will probably be used to paint another painting

What if your chroma gets used to paint a tree? I don't wanna be a tree, man.

Get the Sakapatate skills and you're good to go.

i had a fatal error every 5ish hours with my 4090

I know that, but how do you do a game without the twist that it's actually a painting?

there is a nuance between being a neet and maelle's ending
instead of being a comfy neet who has a family and live an otherwise normal life, that neet is addicted to MMO and gacha and self-sabotage themselves and at some point that neet life will end and they will be worse off than how they started it.
There is a time dilatation in the painting, like one day irl is a year in the painting. She will come out after everyone she knows die in 3 month of real time and then what? Do like mommy and recreate those people again?

you've lost the plot anon. it's pretty simple.

continue living in made up fairy tale

or

back to reality

the game does a great job with the ending(s).

That's the spirit!

Yes it was. I knew from the moment we saw the stone corpses of the Expeditions that these people were just mannequins painted to a semblance of life and that all of this was just some kind of twisted fake world gone wrong. At the first meeting of Alicia and Maelle I instantly thought that Maelle was some kind of painted alter ego of Alicia, maybe even her real "soul" separated from her real body. And it was obvious the Paintress wasn't killing everyone with the grommage for a random reason given her posture and the fact that they never established in Lumiere that correlation was causation. So much of this is obvious.

That's weird, I only got it once in my 50 hours playthrough on my 3080ti. This feels like a 4000 problem.

Only now put together why Maelle has an affinity for burns.
Oh, you frenchies.

kino

noooooo I want to enjoy my dru- era canvas in peace, who cares if writers are coming to kill me and my family

Come out of the painting you dumb whores

the two endings make for two different stories
one is the classic heroic tale of saving the world and all that shit
the other ending turn the story into a personal story of someone's struggle with coping with grief and her self-blaming/self-hatred that stunt her growth as a person and painter
just pick which kind of story you want and work your headcanon out of that like "Alicia killed herself" or "Alicia became a talented painter and recreated Lumière"

I refuse to play a turn based RPG without cute girls with big boobs, so I will keep marathoning the Trails series.
And not being a traditional turn based one is high red flag.

She will come out after everyone she knows die in 3 month of real time

okay but in that time she just lived for a hundred years in a world she could theoretically make perfect, even if she died at that point, that life in the canvas was probably better than a full life outside of it

Those things don't allude to the whole outer world Painter vs Writers shit.

This game is fucking awful. Get some taste for Christ's sake

The camera broke after beating Clea and got stuck in this position, so I had to fumble around off camera to find the autosave spot and reload.

only happened once to me and it was when I killed some chromatic nigger in the overworld in one-shot

Monoco is god-tier. Best character for buffs and debuffs. Being able to slow down enemies and spam shields is insanely strong, also best character to break enemies.

It's a game written by children. Who gives a shit? It doesn't mean anything

The lives of those in the canvas are sapient beings. The game leaves no room for interpretation there

Chroma seem to be both soul and atoms. Just like how your atoms get replaced over time every few years. I doubt being painted into a very different thing will make you inherit your old soul and consciousness.

You say that like it isn't just an extension of the good old FFTA discourse. Reminder that FFTA released in 2003 and i still fucking saw people argue about it yesterday. 22 fucking years of Marche Discourse anon.

I kept Monoco in my party from the moment I had him. I already had almost every leg by the time I got to the Paintress. Only missing the few from the areas after, and the rematch bosses in the flying manor. Monoco is bro.

one is the classic heroic tale of saving the world and all that shit

It's very much not that. The ending is focused on Maelle's decaying mental state of staying in the canvas. Whether the lives in the canvas are destroyed or restored seems like an afterthought in both endings.

she will live 3months without food or water, this is why being in a painting for too long is dangerous
her social skills will suck because she avoided her actual real life issues instead of accepting her fate and facing the fact that she's not responsible for her brother's death

life in a dream better than life outside of it

True to some degree but still arguable. Going along with that logic, it would mean "just kill yourself high on drug, you'll be happy until the end".

irl clea got pissed at this and fucked your ass/game for it

Lore accurate

IRL Clea would watch Paintclea stabbing herself and suiciding and smile at it.

My save was giving me fatal errors each time I attempted to enter the monolith. I am very glad I could reload an earlier one and my save wasn't bricked.

Painted Clea stabbing herself

Understatement of the century.

It's good the game frequently autosaves and keeps a bunch of the most recent. I got stuck on geometry on three separate occasions and the autosaves saved my ass.

is there anyway to fight the ultimate one again or do you have to wait until you can access the tower?

which twist? mythra or the XB1 connection?

they had a catastrophic collapse and loss of hegemony once

More like a few time, Clovis 1er, Karlemagne, Lious the pius, Philipe August, Louis 14, Napeoleon.
France is one of the oldest nation on earth.

Also " negative emotions on a viewer. It is something that does harm."

Alice can grief and go forward is not a sad ending anon.

I know what I'm gonna say is gonna sound autistic as fuck, but I wish you were never given control outside of the painting.
Even if its just for fake-epilogue, it would've been a cool narrative touch if the player was only ever in control in the world where Maelle felt like she had any control.
Very extreme nitpick tho, otherwise I have no issues with the story really.

Et tu brutus....

There's one in the Monolith and one in the Endless Night Sanctuary.

The XB1 connection. Before release Takahashi said clearly it wasn't 'in the same universe' as 1, so everyone assumed they weren't connected.
Then you play the game and Rex grabs the third sword in chapter 7 and it flashes the ending of Xenoblade 1 across the screen and you go "What the fuck???"
Then Malos starts shouting Monado Arts.
Then the Chapter 10 intro happens.
The Shulk voiceline during the final bossfight.

All fucking amazing scenes that are forever dulled because it's a known fact even among people who never played the series that it's all connected.

monoco needs 50 AP to cast his worst ability

fuckin hell

50ap

explain how the fuck that works

hyperbole

realizing that you're fake and a tool used by real Clea and Renoir, you have your creations stab and hack you to pieces and then literally explode from sheer rage

A wonderful characterization of Clea

Im just at the start act 3 and I understand the twist, but shouldn't there be any reaction form the expedition after they discover they don't exist 'properly'?

Verso knows he is essentially a ghola from dune and I assume there will be a choice at some point regarding if he lives or dies, but the other members don't think about it? Like Sciel should have been mad at Maelle for reviving her and denying her the opportunity to be with her husband in death. Why Lune is so chill about it when she would be the first to try to explore it due to her academic curiosity?

Shouldn't a team member go with Renoir to avoid the destruction of the canvas and his life in exchange for 'being real' outside of the painting? Why are the team members after the twist become suddenly less important (i know there's a sidequest for Lune, Maelle and Monoco but they dont get more to say about their upcoming future)?

Expedition 60 were gigachads

Sciel and Lune having no agency in Act 3 is definitely a weak point in the story.
Unless you headcanon that that's because they're not really the Sciel and Lune from before after Alicia repainted them.

Interesting part, they have been repainted by Alice, so it is possible she remade them without angst because she don't want to deal with it.

do a bit of side content and go to Lumiere at like 65

one shot the boss so hard I don't get to see anything he does

that was honestly disappointing. the game should've communicated more clearly that that whole zone is scaled to doing it directly after entering act 3.

Oh, in that case use your AP tints sir. You get so many of them and you'll only need to do so in boss fights since random enemy packs usually die before you'll need more AP, as long as you use the starter and turn AP luminas

Final boss has less than 800k hp

lol
lmao

Another personal motivation for Gustave is leaving a legacy. He wanted children, Sophie didn't, which led to their break. "For those who come after".

Gustave would realize that Maelle maintaining the Canvas would be temporary. A few decades before she dies, and then Clea and Renoir destroy the Canvas, if they don't pull her out and do it before that.
Destroying Verso's Canvas and having it live on in Alicia's memory as she persists in the real world and paints new Canvases is the only legacy he can hope for.

I must've forgotten it or something, but before Act 3, everybody gommage'd including Maelle.
If that's the case, how did Alicia come back to the canvas? Was that small segment of Alicia waking up in bed her returning back or that's what caused her to become Maelle?

Wait, so I'm not supposed to explore at the beginning of act 3?
I just got the flying ability and was thinking of doing a lap around the map. Should I just go and fight real Renoir?

The only thing that got gommaged was Aline's chroma overlaid on Alicia, which made Maelle.
Maelle is effectively dead in Act 3. What we see is Alicia with Maelle's memories.
Verso's right when he said "I'm not really Verso, and you're not really Maelle."

Yea go unless you want a disappointing anticlimax

You can go explore, but if you want the challenge to remain, turn off Painted Power when you go back to Lumiere.

doing anything optional makes the main story quests extremely trivial, I feel like its basically intended that you do the MSQ then go do all the optionals

Nta but, how did Verso not gommaged with everyone else? Being a creation of Aline too

Final boss is balanced around fighting him right away.

That's what Simon and Endless 11-3 are for. But you can nuke those too if you want. Free will n all that.

enemy has one elemental immunity or absorb

entire Lune elemental genesis build falls apart because she can't generate 4 different stains anymore

it's over

He and the rest of the Painted family are special, which is why they're also immortal.
Painted Alicia and Painted Clea don't get gommaged either.

Yeah that dungeon and bossfight should be level scaled.

Just use the two random stains on free aim shot weapon bro. Elemental Genesis every turn.

But they have angst after being revived.

Lune's sidequest (as far as dialogue has led me to believe, haven't done it yet) will be searching her parents and have some sort of closure. Sciel doesn't have one but her main goal is to revive her husband; if she had changed, she would have been shagging ghola-Verso and Lune wouldn't search for her parents

dont you need 1x of each element to use genesis?

doesn't work if you don't generate 4 different stains m8

you're thinking about mayhem, not genesis