Why did millenials like this game so much?

Now it's automatic with a auto-assistant.
Now the game will be infested with even more bots farming gold due to it making it much easier to program them.

Completely correct. There was really nothing that compared to it at the time, it really was an entire world. Combined with the lore of Warcraft which had gotten very popular and being many players' first MMO, it was an incredible experience.

Last time I played was the beginning of the current expansion and it seems bloated and unnecessarily complicated. I was reading up on the raid bosses before doing them (since that's what you do now) and the normal mode bosses will have a dozen mechanics to deal with, even the beginning ones.

nice blog, but who asked

For a 2004 game it was kinda groundbreaking, no? Just like Half Life 2 was ahead of its time for singleplayer FPS, or San Andreas as an open world game.

1st World Luxury

The magic of it is gone

And now the game is just a boring

for me

very interesting

It’s a thread about WoW and why people liked it. He explained what it was that made him like it and why he doesn’t anymore.
Autistic fuck

it was a total work of art and a meeting point of that generation. like coke parties in the 80s, raves in the 90s, fortnite in the 2010s. the 2000s had wow. simple as.

It was an insane amount for a game at that time. I bought it because I loved Warcraft but I hadn't done any research. I didn't even know what an mmo was really. I still remember logging in an just being amazed at the scale. You had to take zeppelin and ships to go to the different capitals because they were so far away. The zones felt massive, running through the valley and seeing Orgrimmar for the first time is the kind of thing the game no longer has.

Most people would agree with that thoughbeit

raid bosses have gotten overly complicated because devs are stuck in an arms race with addon developers who trivialize mechanics. that, and the only people left playing are ultra sweats.
it's funny cause casuals were floundering at Wotlk raid mechanics in classic, but theyre a joke compared to modern raids. the gap between casual players and hardcore raiders just became too wide and they had to pick a lane. people complain about WoW becoming casualized, but in reality it's the opposite in a lot of ways. grinding and time investment was decreased, but the skill ceiling went up - to its detriment, cause it turns out most people don't actually want a hard game. they want a game where they can get advantages if they sink a ton of time into it, but don't want to actually be challenged mechanically.

because it was great, and if you like its core gameplay elements and the setting, it still is.

I still remember my brother showing me WoW when I was like 14, right when Burning Crusade came out. he showed me around the first zone, Durotar, and I thought it was huge. then he pulled up the map, and zoomed out! and there was a whole ass continent, with like 40 zones that size or bigger. it blew my mind. then he zoomed out again, and there was an entire other continent! then he zoomed out AGAIN and there was outland. I had never seen anything like it. and it wasn't like a bunch of shitty small instanced corridors, they were big open spaces, and you could walk one from end of the continent to the other without a loading screen, and it was all handcrafted and full of content. there was seriously nothing else like it, and honestly there still aren't many games that measure up to both the scale and quality of the world (of warcraft). to this day I think it's one of the best worlds in a video game, ever.

Now it's automatic

it's not. you still have to press a button

The Single-Button Assistant and Assisted Highlight modes will:

Adjust to abilities you know from changing talents and include them in the cycle of abilities used or highlighted.

Swap between single target and AoE damage spells based on proximity of enemies near your primary target.

The Single-Button Assistant and Assisted Highlight modes won’t:

Move your character around in the world, or use any mobility buttons like Blink, Sprint, or Heroic Leap.

Change targets for you if your target dies or you want to debuff multiple different enemies.

Use major offensive cooldowns like Avenging Wrath, Bladestorm, or Ascendance.

Interrupt enemies or otherwise use utility or crowd control spells.

Heal your low health character or use defensive abilities.

Use any trinkets, potions, tradeskill items, or other similar items in your inventory.

taking into account it has 0.3 sec slower gcd it's only good for helping noobs with rotations. (maybe it also helps injured players w/o hands etc)

it's ok to move on from wow, it's ok to keep playing it.

it’s ok to keep feeding money to pozzed dogshit

kek

never played it

I missed out of the internet sensation of two decades ago

Yeah, I'm going to keep doing it because I like playing the game.

but..but faggot centaurs fuck each other up their asses.

You are taking that way too close to your heart, anon; also, 99.9% of the game doesn't have that, and rare leveling dialogues that trigger and reveal schizo autists is a good thing.

I blame WoW and Blizzard for introducing the gay cartoonish fantasy aesthetic that every single franchise is stuck with nowadays.

that MP5

Oh it’s the autistic WoWshill
Never mind. Keep feeding your obsession

All actually engaging elements of the world

such as?

I don't mind a challenge, vanilla was too easy in a lot of ways, but the overly complex mechanics now just make it a chore. It became impossible to pug and all my friends and guild quit long ago. I wish they would make the NPC companions for mythic dungeons so I didn't have to fool with it.

objectively wrong. ultima online was not only bigger in scope but in depth. You talk like youtube shills trying to make their latest slop important

WoW was like a millenial nerd's first job or team sport. They had been craving something like that their whole life, but the bing bing wahoo mario games felt more important to prioritize.

Coherent level design, the little stories you could have out in the world which just don’t exist anymore with how streamlined everything is, the good world building, etc

coherent level design

great buzzword but it means nothing

the little stories you could have out in the world

There is singificantly more content in the world now than before

the good world building

absolutely never existed in warcraft.

several factors at play but a big one is the player character's movement. WoW plays like butter and MMOs to this day can't recreate how great and responsive it feels to run around and jump in WoW.

ultima online

Didn't hold a candle to WoW, not that you would know. And WoW did borrow from EQ, but what they made was unlike anything before it, or really since. Even Blizzard hasn't been able to recapture what they had with early WoW, hence the "Classic" releases.

it’s a buzzword because I don’t understand it

lol

there is more content in the world

And none of it is engaging in the slightest

autistic WoWshill

nah

Keep feeding your obsession

i will

easy to grasp ,good story with a good world,people willing to play it,good amount of classes/races ,lot of people ,pretty addictive
i would like to play it but solo as i like more the pve than the pvp but idk how you would do it.

nah

You really ought to not post the same cultish images and webms with every single shillpost if you don’t wanna be recognized

oh yeah because fantasy art was really good before world of warcraft xdd

it was good, made by a bunch of pasty white nerds who loved what they did and worked 12 hour days for 3 years to get it made

It was lightning in a bottle, its impossible to explain or replicate. You just wouldn't get it.

yeah I agree. to me, around Wotlk hard modes were the sweet spot in terms of raid mechanics, but I was pretty surprised how badly people struggled with it in classic. but then, modern WoW is just way too overly complex to be fun. it just seems like the player base is divided in extremes and people like us aren't so common

Nooo, don't post webm that other people I don't like had previously posted as well; people might think bad of you.
kek

And none of it is engaging in the slightest

and none of vanilla was engaging in the slightest so nothing as changed

1 button rotations

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Even ignoring the design itself, it had a game engine that plays smoother and more responsive than any other. To this day, there is still not a single MMO with a better-feeling engine, and it came out over 20 years ago.

youtube.com/watch?v=rkkyIVt5PlU

20+ year old MMO game engine with movement and abilities this snappy is insane.

modern WoW is just way too overly complex to be fun

I think heroic raids and M+ up to 10 are reasonably complex.

it just seems like the player base is divided in extremes and people like us aren't so common

You are common, you are the bottom rung.
Wrath classic is still piss easy, easier than current normal modes
Middle ground players pug m+ keys much harder than Ulduar

I know it’s hard for you to grasp, but when you post your AI slop or an unironic “you just lost yourself a customer” image with blizzard edits, everyone can tell it’s you. Nobody but you is this autistic about defending daddy blizzard

because I could assassinate other players without their permission, and also have to watch my back at all times for the same reason, something that you coddled faggots will never experience ever again. only dark souls or eldenring comes close

the internet was young.. you wouldn't get it...

Yes, you retarded contrarian

I can tell you dont play private servers cause the 1.12 client absolutely sucks dick

I had no friends.

WoW hit the sweet spot between scope, depth, and graphics fidelity. it was a fully 3d world which made it so much more immersive, I'll give ultima credit where it's due, but it's not comparable in that sense.

this is a super underrated aspect, it was definitely a big factor.

sword and sorcery isnt high fantasy

Wrath classic is still piss easy, easier than current normal modes

I agree it was easy. but what I'm saying is that the average pug in classic still struggled intensely with it. retail players don't understand how bad classic players are, what is average to you is godlike to the average classic boomer. your view is skewed. they can only handle molten core level "mechanics".

Because when it came out most people hadn't played an MMO before. MMOs are a genre that only work when the players aren't genre savvy and are willing to socialize. Unfortunately, it appears that once you've played once, you're genre savvy and unwilling to socialize for life.

It comes down to your answer to the question 'should I have to watch a 30+ minute video/read the equivalent of a short book describing the encounter before being able to play?' Everything before probably Cata, the raid leader could reasonably explain the encounter and you could learn the rest if the details during the fight. Two things have happened since then. First, they have had this arms race will addon makers, and second, the player base has changed. I won't say it's good or bad, everyone has to answer the question for themselves but my answer was no. The game is simply no longer engaging enough for me to spend so much time reading or watching rather than playing.

I really, really looked forward to trying out Vanilla Classic for the first time (I played Wrath Classic, but never vanilla) and experience that for the first time with the then upcoming FRESH servers.
But real life stuff got in the way and I missed the launch late last year.

And holy cow, from what I've heard I think that's the best thing that could have happened to me, I've heard nothing but trash about the anniversary servers. Bots, mafias ran by Iranian gold farmers that mass report whoever getting in their way, min-maxing to absurd degrees, etc.

You really can't go home again. My only hope to ever playing Classic again is if Classic+ becomes a thing.

the video I used as a showcase is literally a pserver video lol

why did millenials like this game so much?

Nowadays?

Escapism.

Too many hours/years dedicated to the game to quit.

A huge thing everyone itt is forgetting: It was social media before social media

MMOs filled this void during that time

You know I watched that final episode of the mythic quest side quest about the group of friends playing the mmo and growing up and apart. I never got in deep enough to have long lasting friends from wow. I wish I did, I mean I had some friends but never had a wow gf. I wasted all that time and have nothing to show for it. Even that documentary about the crippled euro who played wow had him having girlfriends.

actually you are the contrarian here, my boomer guy. your tastes are withering along with your health

ADHD has fried your brain or you have a learning disability if it takes you that long to understand a fight.

Two things have happened since then. First, they have had this arms race will addon makers

Theyve cut down on addon functionality massively since Wrath
Wrath is when you could draw on the ground, then in WoD people were drawing on nameplates
Thats all gone now

the player base has changed.

By no longer being dogshit, tends to happen after playing a game for 20 years. Its incredible how classic players are outright incapable of improving

Nobody but you is this autistic about defending daddy blizzard

I just came here, you dummy, but ok.

but when you post your AI slop or an unironic “you just lost yourself a customer” image with blizzard edits, everyone can tell it’s you.

and that is a good thing, but why would you care about random anon posting webms about the game he likes on the internets? I think you care too much about that 20-year-old video game.

Because superior single player MMORPGs like 7 Days to Die didn't exist yet.

Evercrack addicts just wanted to replace the addiction with another, similar yet slightly less punishing game. A lot of the uberguilds wouldn't move to other games (DAoC, SW:G, CoH, many such alternatives) because they couldn't be the big man uberguild in those games. Of course unknown to them the era of the MMORPG uberguilds was reaching its end anyway since WoW was MUCH more casual-friendly and it was harder to distinguish yourself any longer. Uberguilds in EQ had tight fucking control over contested raid spawns and loot drops, ysee, if had to lick their arses back in EQ if you intended to play endgame

It still has amazing world building and atmosphere, I’d imagine any age group would get sucked in. I’d say you missed out on the cultural moment, but it’s probably best you get to put that time into something more productive. You probably won’t anyway though.

definitely, I think this is the main reason the MMO genre died and nothing ever supplanted WoW, or why there's no zoomer equivalent. the rise of social media meant people could form communities adjacent to their games, instead of needing them folded into the games themselves.

single player MMORPGs

I never thought of it quite that way. Though I don't think the wheels really started falling off MMOs til after 2010 so I wonder if it's more that smartphones replaced MMOs as the time waster of choice. Also my mom had me at 40 and look at me now. I post on Anon Babble.

How many of us who started playing in vanilla, hell even wrath, are still playing this game? If it's 1 in 10 I'd be surprised (there's a reason Blizzard stopped posting subscriber numbers). The ADHD diagnosis is better made on the modern player base that expects everyone to have watched their favorite eceleb handhold them through a needlessly complicated encounter, even at a low M+ key.

Epoch soon(ish[maybe{this year for sure}]).

All MMOs are single player now. Not a reason to ever even say a single world, just queue and kill enemies, repeat.

youtube.com/watch?v=ajXv_2RXn28
Just watch this.
Ignore retrospectives, watch contemporary reviews.
You'll get the real answers.
No nostalgia, no revisionism.

died with my 7th char in hardcore this week

Did you try getting good at the game?

True unfortunately. I think they did something cool with SoD recently though, I had a guild that was pretty social and teaming up with people in the world to get stuff done wasn’t as rare. It goes to show that it isn’t a people problem it’s a development issue.

There's little in this life I want more than the next WoW, some incredible MMO to waste my life away to.
It's a sick joke that after over twenty years this was still the only somewhat good MMO, and it's just rotting away.

Imagine if there had been no more RPGs since Fable, or no more first person shooters since Doom 3. Why did this genre have to stagnate so much? I love the prospect of MMOs.

Its embarassing to try to project eceleb shit on retail when classic players worship streamers
Its clear dogshit classic boomers are the low IQ mutts that flock to twitch streamers, they made a whole streamerbait server for hardcore

The dungeon finder killed WoW during WotLK, completely changed the entire game with just that one update and it got infinitely worse. It doesn't help that every other MMO copied that feature blindly, without realizing the damage it did. WoW died in 3.3.0.

There's little in this life I want more than the next WoW, some incredible MMO to waste my life away to.

I don't want this to happen.
I want to recover from gaming addiction and lose my virginity some day.

I'm not so sure. Couldn't it just SoD was selecting for those players that wanted to help/be social?

Do you think classic players were the ones who started playing in vanilla? Streaming didn't exist, if you can even comprehend that. There were hardly any online resources for guides in 2005.

Well I've long lost those hopes, the best I can hope for now is to enjoy my escapism rather than just sort of settle for "good enough"

Do you think classic players were the ones who started playing in vanilla

many were, yes

Streaming didn't exist

thats irrelevant, theyre still the type of mutt that flocks to celebrities, in 2004 it was probably worshipping musicians or moviestars, now they worship mutt streamers playing classic
regardless, classic is overwhelming the streamer worshipping game

goalpost moved

Imagine that I posted a pic of Thom Yorke that says ok kid, I can't be bothered to find it. The people playing classic are the ADHD zoomers that are in retail, and they're bringing their eceleb disease with them. They're the same tryhards you'll find in a M+2 insisting that you tank just like their favorite personalities and questioning why your spec isn't identical to said streamer.

And it’s freak cultists like you that led the game to the dogshit trash it is today. You will excuse and suck blizzard’s dick no matter how many objectively awful choices they make. They could make every rotation 1 button and you’d still probably defend it. Oh wait

dogshit trash it is today.

For you it's trash; for me it's still a great game. It's not like you can't play classic or something for good old-time gameplay. If you try to recreate your first experience with WoW, it won't happen, though. You blaming that on other people who still like the game won't help either.

They could make every rotation 1 button and you’d still probably defend it.

sure if that will bring more players to the game and won't affect me in any way since they won't be able to play like any other good player. In addition to that, the legacy of 20 years of gameplay evolution makes WoW an extraordinarily complex game for newcomers; helping newbies learn rotations and other parts of gameplay is a good thing.

And this is the sight of a tranny who worships blizzard. It’s quite sad

tranny who worships blizzard

nah

It’s quite sad

I think it's sadder that you are so salty about a 20-year-old game that you are still trying to insult people who like it on the internet.

nah

Ah so a tranny in denial

look tranny! tranny! tranny! you game bad!

0/10

0/10

Just like modern WoW

The people playing classic are the ADHD zoomers that are in retail

if this was true they wouldnt be dogshit at the game
classic players are incabale of handling retail, thats why theyre on classic

They're the same tryhards you'll find in a M+2 insisting that you tank just like their favorite personalities and questioning why your spec isn't identical to said streamer.

This never happened, stop trying to scapegoat your shit build with streamers, classic is the streamer game not retail

zoomers see a game with older/previous generation graphics and can't understand anyone finding it appealing

game is objectively dogshit

I-ITS THE ZOOMERS

Cultist tranny

modern wow is great though

If you’re a tranny. Hence why no one plays it except for them

It is literally the best game ever made (until you get to level 60 and it immediately falls apart)

modern wow is great though

Uh... source!?

compares a game from 2003 to all the games made since

Literal retard and thanks for proving my point.

Nowhere in my post did I compare it to modern games. I just called it dogshit which it is.
Estrogen ruining your reading comprehension?

EWWWWWWWWWW

you had to be there to understand

rentfree

if you like raids, dungeons and collecting stuff, blasting other players on bgs wow is great.

Disgusted more like

If you weren't a fetus in 2003, you would've said it was good game. I can't make this any easier for you to understand, you should probably retake high school english for comprehension skills.

projecting

Estrogen fried tranny lol

What exactly am I projecting?

Because Everquest proved you could charge for a chatroom as long as you could play Ultima between shitposts

Warcraft 3 was huge, I don't think people today realize how huge. At the very end they released a RPG map with Thrall wandering around Kalimdor as a sort of proof of concept of what World of Warcraft would look like, and people were hooked

Nope, you're wrong. This zoomie here said the game is dogshit, therefore, no one ever felt differently about it 20 years in the past. Case closed.

kek you’re absolutely seething

Ok so did you finally understand based on the reply I gave to this guy? It looks like you did.

It was a unique moment in gaming's history. The one time when everyone's dreams of a multiplayer RPG where you could live like it's a different world actually came true. It was simple, unlike all the older MMOs, so anyone could play it. It had great art direction. But most importantly, with no social media, people used WoW to communicate with each other constantly, so everyone was making friends and bonding over a single video game. No political cancer, no arguing over social issues, they were playing a game and chatted about their own lives, which made everything that much more palatable for everyone. And WoW was big, really fucking big. Achieving anything in that game took months of effort, with no guides or builds worth a damn, you were truly going in blind. So there was always more to experience.
This is not going to ever be replicated. That moment in time is simply gone forever, tech and society have changed too much since then. So those who experienced it could only reminisce about it.

appeal to authority

Yes yes everyone tells you your tranny sim was good doesn’t mean it’s true, zoomie

WoW and Pokemania are two things I genuinely don't know if I can't put into words for people who weren't there, or weren't a part of the demographic range for them

Public schools clearly failed you, but I'm sure you can find meaning in some service industry.

Wah wah nigga keep them tears coming

It appeals to the low common denominator. Removed all the punishment and challenge that other MMOs had at the moment. And they keep dumbing it down for zoomers, despite them not even being interested in the game.

It was a forever game. A full on 3d chatroom where you had a pretty long adventure to share with your buddies (or soon to be buddies).

but I have nostalgia!!!

lol