I can choose a world where I am basically a goddess and everyone love me or a world where I'm missing an eye I have...

Sure, but since time moves much faster in the canvas she'll get to live up to at least 67 years in the canvas.

ESCAPISM IS BAD STOP

My life is mine to end

completely ignoring that it was Clea that told her to repaint herself as normal

actual, illiterate idiot

How do you know that?

Cope all you want, they're glorified toys made of chroma, not real human beings.

Wrong Renoir. This one wanted everything to continue.

Painted Renoir would never say this.

Alicia is cuter, therefore reality is the right choice.

You're a glorified meat puppet

Yes, that's why Verso let his other self finally die and taught his dumb cunt sister a lesson on escapism.

hard cope
in Verso's ending, she literally begs on the floor like a pitiful creature and her monologue is all about her, her and her. She is an entitled egocentric bitch.

who cares

how was a westoid dev allowed to put hot women in their game like this?

There is a skeleton inside you right now.

not that anon, how are the painting people real if they never existed outside of the painting?

and you get actual happiness from it

If I create a perfect, utopian, virtual world where I can fulfil my desires, I would only be happy in the long term if I could somehow forget that the virtual world isn’t real

Because her mother and father are much older and they're both in the canvas for at least 67 years.
If her old body could handle that much, I would assume that a much younger body could go at least that far if not beyond

not that anon, how are the painting people real if they never existed outside of the painting?

how are we real if never existed outside of Earth?

That’s the reason why I don’t like Expedition 33

I'd really love to see statistics on how many people chose each ending.

Because Earth is in reality, the painting world isn’t, the painting people are as real as stick figures I can draw.

It's around 42% for Maelle and 58% for Verso from a poll I saw

Her mother was in canvas for at least a century

why do you care about your friends dying? just find new ones

Because Earth is in reality

How do you know that?

You don't know that. They made it clear that the real world has magic in it. So we're not even sure the real world isn't a canva itself to begin with.

But if it isn't real, what happens when you're time is up? You can't pass it on. Your children won't enjoy it.

DENJI

PLEASE DON'T KILL MY SISTER BEFORE I SAY GOODBYE I'M NOT READY

haha gommage go brr

She's a cunt

thought the game was going to have a cool story about perseverance in the face of hopeless odds

get children's make believe coloring book world where no character matters because they aren't real

every time
when you think of an apple in your head, what comes to mind?

Why would you let the fact that it isn't "real" keep you from enjoying the virtual world? Videogames are not real, yet we all glean very real happiness from getting lost in their worlds and, if I may be so bold, I'd wager a lot of us would make the jump into some of these worlds in a heartbeat if given the chance.

Something being "real" is entirely dependent on what you believe to be real. This world you are in now is, for all we know, no more real than the ones we simulate. If your brain cannot tell the difference, there's no reason to give intrinsic value to your default state of being.

waa waa SELFISH BAD person she's BAD

what a BITCH!!!!!

anon, she's a literal 16 years old kid, easily manipulated by her threatening big sister, and the selfishness and short-sightedness in her actions is very in-character and well written for her, to the point of being kind of bittersweet. but I understand this sort of nuance is difficult to catch for an average FFX fan, which I've noticed is a common factor for all the illiterate retards in every RPG story discussion

verso is a MC and can ultimately go through with it if the player chooses him so it fits more into the Marche's role. But is more easy to argument than Verso was right unlike this killjoy piece of shit.

i was just about to post that kek

Having an unhinged shut-in girl for a god is quite a shitty fate, too. I bet she will begin to terrorize everyone she loves at one point.

Because I’m experiencing Earth, and I know that I’m experiencing Earth because I’m experiencing my own existence, I know that I’m a conscious person with a soul and thoughts of my own. The only way for the painting people to be real were if they had souls and were incarnated into the painting world from a higher plane of existence.

what ffta needed is proof that people were getting killed while in ivalice FF world

Right, a living world with sentient beings is the same as drawing stick figures on a piece of paper...
You truly are an intellectual.

this world is not real, you must let go, Maelle

NOOOOOOO, HOW CAN YOU JUST GOMMAGE MY FAKE SISTER NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Verso is a manchild

Until two events ultimately broke him: Alice lying to her dad and seeing that the paint world is keep alive by slaving little Verso.

And you trust your own, fallible experience to be an accurate depiction of reality as it truly is?

every time someone posts this meme template it's the exact opposite

That's not proof you are experiencing Earth. Only that you believe you do. A character on a page can exclaim every single thing you've said and believe it every bit as much as you do, it doesn't stop it from being a character on a page.

Are your stick figures sentient and capable of independant thought?

why would i screw over a chad civilization for some angsty cuck?
besides, renoir is the only one in their family who still likes her

What if Verso was TRAPPED in the canvas for ONE MILLION YEARS and BETRAYED by his BEST FRIENDS?

There might be a higher plane of reality than the one I’m currently experiencing, but I know I’m real because I’m experiencing and I have a soul and thoughts.
I couldn’t love people who aren’t real, if I have a wife and children in the virtual world, I couldn’t fully love them because I would know that they weren’t real people, because I know that they don’t have feelings and can’t reciprocate my love.

with a soul

get a load of this retard

Are the painting world people sentient? How can I know that they’re not just acting as if they were sentient under the control of the painting world master?

You’re an atheist who incorrectly believes that they’re nothing more than a collection of atoms.
see

If God exists in our world, how would we know that too?

Not only that, they're capable of reproduction even tho it shouldn't technically be possible since nobody is painting the babies.

But it’s still proof that I’m sentient, that I AM experiencing.

You see, I know for a fact that I am experiencing the absolute reality because I am a special little boy made of magic stuff!

How do I know that? Well I just do okay?!

It was inevitable that you would eventually use the christcuck cope when faced with this philosophical quandry but it's still disappointing how quickly you caved in.

Why do chink games always make these ugly characters that look like they have FASD?

Inshallah, brother.

I believe that God gives people sentience, that He gives people souls.

Why would you make a world where the inhabitants are incapable of those things? Now your argument is that a poorly made world would not be good to live in, but you claimed it to be a perfect utopia at first.

If, for all intents and purposes, the created world was like the reality you exist in, what would prevent you from enjoying it?

If Verso wants to stop painting he gets to stop painting. It's his canvas, not hers.

this thread proves the low average IQ of Anon Babble. not because of the choices people make in the end, but because of the way people in here justify it.

How do you know god isn't a Painter and we currently live in a canva then?

Because you play as them, and you're sentient.
The painters can create and erase life, not control it.
It was Aline's creations who made all the expeditions, and she clearly wanted to stay in the canvas.

The classic atheist inability to have an honest discussion. And I’m a Christian, not a Muslim.
I never said that I was experiencing absolute reality, only that I’m experiencing.

This actually sums it up pretty well.

She really was living…her Final Fantasy

It's not his canva. He is a fake verso created by Aline. He is a complete stranger to the family.

He asked the real one if he wants to stop, dumbfuck. The little boy said yes.

I’m a Christian

Obviously. Muslims aren't even half as retardedly arrogant as you fucking clowns.

But to be capable of those things, the virtual inhabitants would have to have an existence independent from me and the virtual world.
The difference between God and our reality, and the painter and the painted world, is that God gives people souls, and I have direct first-hand experience of that fact because I know that I am experiencing, I know that I am sentient.

Normally I'd assume a post this retarded is a third party butting in and falseflagging but you already threw your arms in defeat so I don't have to give you the benefit of the doubt. Try waiting until another thread before you start lying your ass off, christcuck.

the other anon is talking about the faceless child Verso that is a fraction of the real Verso's soul. he is the one painting the canvas, not fake Verso.
idk if that one can actually decide if he wants to continue painting. one because he is a weird part-soul creature, second because he is a child.

The classic atheist inability to have an honest discussion. And I’m a Christian, not a Muslim.

Very ironic coming from a christkike
Go perform some a ritual sacrifice or whatever, leave art to civilized people

God gives people souls

That's not even mainstream Christian belief, my dude.

Verso is dead
The playable one is simulacra affected by a grieving mother's perception
The actual soul is in game and was happy in his world until the family members started diving in, but at least the mother had the courtesy to just play house instead of spawning n*****s, nightmare monsters and gommages which started making him feel bad

but at least the mother had the courtesy to just play house instead of spawning n*****s

Why would you censor "Nevrons"?

Insults aren’t a substitute for an argument.
It bothers me that the painted people and the painters are the same species, that a Human can create a Human from scratch, they’re the same species but the difference in their powers are incredibly vast, basically it troubles me that the creator of the world where Humans live, are other Humans.
What did I lie about?
Christians have contributed 1,000,000 times more to the arts than Athiests have.
I believe in the pre-existence of souls, there are some Christians who also believe that, although they tend not to be the adherents of Catholicism.

das their word, clairboi

From the Painter’s perspective, this is Verso’s canvas, so he should decide it’s fate

From the Writers’ perspective, this is Maelle’s story, so she should decide it’s fate

HOLY FUCKING BASED I KNEEL TO FRENCH ABSTRACT META LUDO KINO

lmao why did i laugh at this

so he died when he was a child? and everyone's just okay using a kid soul to power this painting?

He died as an adult. The kid is a fragment of his soul that he imparted to the canvas when he was a child.

No, he died as an adult, is just that the piece of his soul takes the form of a kid in the paint world.

Verso is correct, and either way the Canvas is doomed. Why resurrect everyone if they/their children are just going to die in 60-70 years once Alicia dies and Renoir/Clea destroy the Canvas anyway?

what was all this writers stuff and war outside even all about

If that's all you took from it, then this game reall6 was too kino for you.

But to be capable of those things, the virtual inhabitants would have to have an existence independent from me and the virtual world.

By what logic? You are bound to this existence and you are capable of love.

Sequel/franchise bait.

It bothers me that the painted people and the painters are the same species, that a Human can create a Human from scratch

Nigga humans always made other humans from scratch, that how reproduction works.

Christians have contributed 1,000,000 times more to the arts than Athiests have.

Yeah this is just lie

Why resurrect everyone if they'll get to live full, happy lives?

Truly a question for the ages

absolutely inspired anon

It's flavor text. Like Yu-Gi-Oh cards without effects.
It gives you some insight into the world outside of the canvas, to which the player's knowledge is kept very limited.

I don’t believe my soul is bound to my current existence.

Your disease is terminal, we can't save you but we can give you a decent quality of life until the end

Nah senpai just shoot me now

How am I supposed to sympathize with real Renoir when tis fag genocided thousands of people during decades?

Their children and grandchildren won't. But of course a brownoid can't understand this line of thinking.

The children won't. Their grandchildren won't. With no possibility, no power to change their fate.

all she had to do is exercise an once of self control in canvas usage and she could had it all

Proof or it didn't happen.

Maelle was living her Final Fantasy

Literally not a guarantee. You're talking like Renoir put C4 on the canvas that's rigged to detonate through a death switch on Maelle.

The copium is off the charts

well, in Renoir's eyes they weren't people. you can make an argument in favour of Renoir. he voluntarily spent almost 70 years trapped under the monolith just to get his wife back.

Really. She could've just left and come to visit now and then. Like real Verso did.

Nigga humans always made other humans from scratch, that how reproduction works.

That’s not from scratch, reproduction depends on gametes, a sperm and an egg cell.

Yeah this is just lie

What Atheist work could even match the beauty of the works of Michelangelo?

I struggle to think of any scenario where neither Renoir, Clea, or the Writers if they win destroy the Canvas.

Verso was right
Both Aline and Maelle were acting like fucking drug addicts and would not stop of their own accord
As soon as Verso saw the damage it was doing to (real) Aline, he knew what he had to do
Masterful final gambit by Renoir to show him, desu

I'm really happy that they never did girlboss garbage. I thought the game would be pozzed but it was anything but

If Aline dies before Maelle Renoir has no real reason to destroy the Canvas anymore.

Muh lineage

Is there anything more cucked than spending your life preparing the world for someone else to enjoy?

He didn't though. It's a painting. A drug thaylt sedated his wife, and threatens to sedate his daughter too.
He's losing his family to tragedy, and he can't stop it. Renoir's quote is something I'll never forget, and I'm going to mess it up.

I treat you like the shadow of the worst day of our lives will come for you too!

He's terrified. All that he loves, he can lose. And he's losing it. I don't think he's evil, he's choosing his family over a painting. Everyone else is choosing the painting over the family.

he voluntarily spent almost 70 years trapped under the monolith just to get his wife back.

Which is about a year and a half of real world time. Was Clea squirting juice boxes into her parents' mouths every morning to keep them alive?

sadly this was not an option. Renoir would have destroyed the canvas the second Maelle left. that is because his wife, the paintress, would not stop going back into the canvas to escape her grief. or at least that is what Renoir believes. since Renoir just wants his entire family back in the real world, he has to destroy the canvas to prevent his wife from fleeing reality.

He'll destroy it out of grief and spite.
If he doesn't, Clea definitely will.

buy an ad, nigger, and kill yourself

That’s not from scratch, reproduction depends on gametes, a sperm and an egg cell.

And a canvas capable of having sentient life painted within it requires a fragment of a human soul, it seems.

Clea won't. She literally doesn't give a shit. She only cared because her parents were not helping her fight writers. If that's not an issue (Or they can't cuz they are dead) the canvas will literally gather dust.

That’s not from scratch, reproduction depends on gametes, a sperm and an egg cell.

That's not from scratch, painting depends on canvas, chroma and clair obscur

What Atheist work could even match the beauty of the works of Michelangelo?

Pick any Greek sculpture, it's better than anything Michelangelo ever made

I think it works like Stasis. Your physical body is frozen while your soul travels into the canvas.
And to bolster my point, that's what all the shadows are. Remnants of their souls. Little pieces of them they left behind.
I could be talking out of my ass, but that's the way I took it.

He's a dumdum if he thinks destroying the last thing she has left of her dead son will make her get over his death and not just make things worse.

what was the symbolic meaning of sophie, emma, AND clea having the exact same face/character model?

Greeks weren’t Atheists

well it seemed to have worked in the ending

it's the metahuman budget symbolism

I was extremely confused the first time Emma walked in. I don't think it's intentional.

Clea won't. She literally doesn't give a shit.

You are misreading her character very badly then.

it can't really get any worse than your wife being a vegetable, trapped in a fantasy world. even if she killed herself after Renoir destroyed the canvas, he would probably be better off in the long run

It becomes unhealthy when she spends years in there. Grief is fine, but grieving for years isn't.
At some point she needs to move past the initial shock of it.
She's going to carry that weight, and so is Renoir. But she can't grieve like THIS.

Prove it
Just knowing they weren't christkikes is enough anyway

Worse. They were pagans.

given the situation it seems necessary, she refuses to leave and actually deal with her grief
I do wonder how viable having someone take the painting away for a while so she has absolutely no way of accessing would be but that sort of thing is outside the scope of the story

Dumb fuck. Socrates was forced to commit suicide because he held aetheist beliefs.

The credits show that they used the same motion capture actor for Gustave, Renoir and Verso.
I'm assuming there is a similar thing going on there.

Three 'Clea's

Only one outfit

This isn't fair, Anon Babbleros...

NTA;
A perfect utopia cannot exist. If something is 'perfect' in your eyes then that world would have to bend to your will, there would be no free choices. It'd be the equivalent of lucid dreaming.
Can you truly love something that is literally made to love you? Sure, you can be content with it. But that's all.

I do wonder how viable having someone take the painting away...

Clea tried that but apparently that did not work. she hid the painting so her mother would not be able to get back into the canvas, once she was expelled from it. yet she manages to get back into the canvas almost immediately for the fight against real Renoir

Official girl ranking list just dropped

Clea > Sophie > Sciel > Lune > Emma >>> Dogshit > Maelle

You're just pulling stuff out of your ass now.
Looks like I hit a nerve there, christkike.

maelle was nice before being alicia again

I do wonder how viable having someone take the painting away for a while so she has absolutely no way of accessing would be but that sort of thing is outside the scope of the story

Realistically they could've done this. Even the daughters hiding it is reasonable. They could even hide it and tell her it was destroyed.
I suppose the get out for this is, that as the most senior painter in the world, nobody would have the authority to say no if she demanded access.

it's to reflect the knowledge that it's canonically possible to sleep with three sophies at the same time.

THANK YOU.
Finally someone understands Maelle's ending and exactly why it's so awful.
When Maelle keeps the canvas, she's not keeping it as a human who lives in that world. She's keeping it as a goddamn 4th dimensional entity who controls all time and space.
It's not real, and she knows that. She's going to break down just like her mother did. The parallel between Maelle and The Paintress is what Renoir is terrified of.

Break the Cycle

That depends entirely on what you consider to be perfect. Obviously, all-submissive flesh automatons are not that to most people.

my twinfus...

it would be triplettefus but my HDR won't let me screencap a clear image of clea, and all of the google images of her are the bossfight

You forgot Golgra........

She's keeping it as a goddamn 4th dimensional entity who controls all time and space.

Pure headcanon

I’m assembling a team to kill Wriggers, are you in?

No jewish oversight.

NTA, but she did paint a child version of her brother and she did paint over fake verso who did not want to live anymore. the entire atmosphere in her ending feels extremely fake and unnatural. i don't think she is living her life as a normal girl there

She can paint anything she wants outside, while also mourning with her family properly and you know, having a healthy mind

Why settle for ONE world (created by a child) when you can have multiple that you can make for yourself?

lol

The painting people would say the same. That’s no proof at all. It’s actually an incredibly weak argument and I’m not sure why you bothered because you’re obviously not really thinking it through or very deeply about it.

those were false accusations. Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle were Monotheists.

Wtf are you talking about? You literally see Maelle un-goomage both Lune and Sciel. She ressurects Gustave.
Are you fucking kidding me?

That doesn't mean she controls time and space.

outside the scope of the story

scope of the story

story

WRITER DETECTED

lmao

Verso's soul is painting the babies

Did her daughter have such bad shaders in real life too?

religious

midwit

incredibly retarded argument based on nothing, certainly not the scripture he apparently holds in high regard but hasn’t read

It all tracks.

The writers did nothing wrong, Verso could have been a huge asshole for all we know.

honestly if writers have super natural powers like painters, i'd pick their side. it's a lot easier to just write

You died lol

then it is to paint

the symbolic representation of your opponent's inferiority juxtaposed against the futility of conflict in the impressionist style

Renoir Is Right About Everything is my new MAGA hat
The story boils down to red pill blue pill moment. Ultimate for the theme of the game the good ending is Verso’s ending. Because it is the ultimate goal of the entire game, to end the nightmare and move on from grief.
Maelle’s ending makes the emotional appeal to you. That the fake world had aspects of it that felt real, or was so fake that you couldn’t tell whether people inside were just a figment of imagination. And the promise of “happiness” which is all an illusion slowly killing Maelle.
If you picked reality, congrats. You understood your assignment. If you picked fantasy, you have fallen for the fake world. You are not based.

She can paint the fucking canvas. It's all in her control. She can remove you from existence with a swipe of her hand, or create an entirely new person.
Maelle is God in this Canvas. There is nothing she can not un-make or make. The extent of her power is what is so creepy about her ending.
She doesn't need to "destroy" she can simply remove you.
It's terrifying what she becomes. It's a gentle ruler, but she's still a ruler. And all exist on her whim.

True, but we don't know exactly how their magic powers work.

noooo you have to deal with le reality you cannot live in a perfect fantasy you must suffer because... reasons!!!

Verso is a redditor and so are every faggot defending his ending.

Maelle’s a fucking facially scarred mute invalid what’s she gonna do in the real world anyway

If you picked fantasy, you have fallen for the fake world.

Or substituted a fucked reality with one not so fucked. Reality is a matter of perspective.

Source on the real world time span? Not saying you’re wrong, I just didn’t hear anything that described how long a year in a painting lasts.

if I had to guess writers creations are far more rigid, a story with a start and an end, it can be grand and amazing but it is finite and set
though I would assume they can do things painters can't and vice versa

Because it is the ultimate goal of the entire game

Expect, it wasn't the goal for the game for about... THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

Hone her skills and paint something amazing.

So...how are they able to make literal worlds and be akin to gods in how they do it. But have victorian tier technology in the real world?

Renoir Is Right About Everything

He's right about most things. Destroying the canvas is an overreaction even if his reasons are correct.

Maelle’s a fucking facially scarred mute invalid what’s she gonna do in the real world anyway

Touch the skies or some shit. Didn't you play the optional dungeons?

Only on Anon Babble you see schizos trying to defend maelle's ending.
It is kinda fitting

Maellefags unironically want this...

Because it is the ultimate goal of the entire game, to end the nightmare and move on from grief.

The ultimate goal of the game is to save the people of Lumiere. That is why the characters, except Verso, do what they do.

magic

After the fake ending when you wake up as real Alicia I think it says "4 months ago" or something, but I may be misremembering.

Because they can't manifest shit in the real world apparently
Which raises tons of questions about how this "war" is fought.
Do they just outright shoot writers in the face and call it a day?

will you wear the swimsuit too?
He wears one if your team has swimsuits equipped too

The writers guild is where all the tech is being amassed

No, you're not thinking enough about it, verso is right. Maelle (and her mom) is just sick and the whole family haven't even mourned their griefs. She's just an addict. She knows it herself, that's why she knows her father would destroy the canvas.

Most importantly, Maelle can just paint ANYTHING she wants HERSELF. Why would you even want to get stuck in a kid's painting forever (meaning until you die because you fucked up staying too long)?

You need to think more about every piece of information.

Clair Obscur game utilizing the art of Jack Kirby with the meta commentary of him losing the rights to his characters and becoming disillusioned with his own art

FUARK

anyone who thinks that there is one correct answer to the ending has not understood the philosophical dilemma at all.

Give birth to my children

What happens when Everyone Maelle loved in the painted world eventually dies? She gonna keep them immortal like how Aline kept Verso Immortal?

wouldn't be surprised if it's just typical artist bickering taken to the extreme

rival art group firebombs a house

Renoir is Trump

nothing is real

okay thanks for saving me from playing this dumbass game. thank god I only played an hour yesterday

Oh im sure there is no correct answer as is the french way of doing ambiguous endings.
However there is an answer that fits better with your moral compass, which is why we have these endless debates.

It was all a dream

Verso was right to burn it all down, fuck being forced to live as some teens puppets till she croaks

Nier automata already made a gimmick of "you destroy the credits to save the characters and prevent the nihilistic narrative from happening"

You never played this game

Retard-kun, he encouraged her to make other canvases and indulge herself. She was just too addicted to this canvas specifically and Gustave and Verso to come up for air so she would kill herself with it, especially with her painter powers being so underdeveloped.

Little zoomer can't help but spoil himself, how shocking (that you made it to one hour of game, I mean more than 2 minutes of cutscenes must be excruciatingly painful for you).

Yoooo imagine if the writers and painters came together to craft something epic?
That shit would be bussin yo.

back to your 2x speed binge scrolling

And what's stopping Renoir from coming back to the painting and doing the shit he did with Aline but now with Alicia? Hell Clea can drag her out of the painting since she was more powerful than Alicia and was able to paint over her mother's creations. Alicia's ending is doomed either way.

Anal.

what's stopping Renoir from coming back to the painting

he has to keep changing his wife's diapers in the real world now

There really is no dilemma from the moment that one acknowledges that Verso's Canvas is doomed anyway, and that the Dessendres have other Canvases to maintain, other Canvases to create in the future.
Even if you pull the "it's genocide" card, it just winds down to a numbers game.

She literally can resurrect the dead expeditioners to fight a war for her. Do you not notice the final stair of Verso at the piano. He is in pain and miserable because he is force to keep living a puppet life controlled by Maelle, the new paintress.

Why would she play something new when she already has everything she wants? She would just repaint the same picture anyway.

umm why would you play your favorite video game when you have the ability to make a game for yourself!!

cope
yes the movie slop cutscenes are extremely painful actually. jesus christ. Just give me a paragraph I can read in a few seconds instead of a 10 minute cutscene of bad voice acting and graphics.
christ I miss the good old days when cutscenes were impactful FMVs and rare.
I was so fucking hopeful too at the start

1) He is tired
2) He already got beaten once and he had more chroma, what would be the point?
3) He inhaled 300kg of copium in the hopes that his daughter would come back voluntarily

The only one who could maybe take maelle's out would be clea, but she can't be bothered

Cool, I’m ng+ing so I’ll keep that scene in mind. I was hoping there was some scale said somewhere.

but I know I’m real because I’m experiencing

Proof?

That has nothing to do with time and space.

Renoir and Clea will pull up and pull Alicia out of the canvas after some time.

retarded take

the dilemma isn't just about all the people in the canvas dying, it's also about Alicia's life having no purpose in the real world and this canvas being the last thing she has of her brother.

Bro, they are painters, ARTISTS. They don't just make ONE painting. Except Verso because he just did it once for his parents as a kid, before moving on to music.

You have no imagination, that's insane. Let me ask you something. When you jerk off, do you do it using the SAME video every time? the same category? the same actress?
100% no.

close to 70 years trying to save the mother who was having a breakdown

your youngest daughter jumps in and now wants to live there too

all whilst your eldest daughter is having to fight the writers guild alone

It's too tiresome and he also trusted her to not overdose on staying

Because staying too long in any one painting in a single stretch will kill you. It does it faster to weaker painters, but it was happening to Aline, the leader of the painter's guild and as far as we know the most talented painter of the setting. Maelle as a 16 year old girl mourning her brother twice over does not have the self control to leave when things get bad for her, as she show in her ending, so the best thing for her is to take the choice away and hope that by the next time she faces the same choice in the future she has the maturity to save herself

Clea didn't bother with the mother outside making nevrons and she was actually a hindrance since she kept their father from helping her fight writers
Clea genuinely does not give a shit about Alicia or what she does, it's part of why Alicia doesn't care about going back. Only her father still cares about her, but it isn't enough to offset being a mute burn victim 24/7

How does time pass in the real world while they're in the painting?
Surely Renoir and Aline haven't been physically stuck there for 67 years

No. The goal is to stop the paintress from painting. End the cycle. Just that you didn’t know what the true price is for breaking the cycle. (If you thought stopping the paintress will stop the magic countdown then that is on you) Through and through your sole mission is to reach an end, a conclusion. Just that half way through you realize the conclusion is not what you have headcannoned. Again. Renoir was right about everything, you just can’t handle the truth.

it's also about Alicia's life having no purpose in the real world and this canvas being the last thing she has of her brother.

She's a Paintress. She can have any purpose she wants, even scarred and missing her voice, as long as she accepts reality and parts with the dead as she should.
It's obscene to keep a slavering, tired remnant of your brother's soul as a child as a memento. She needs to let go, for her sake as well as Verso's.

You retard didn't beat the endless tower huh?

They aren't forced to make several paintings. It's never even stated that they HAVE to paint, they just can.
Her life is absolute dogshit and she would eventually just kill herself anyway. Might as well overdose and be happy for a bit.

It seems to be 1 hour = 1 year.

Citation needed

Men in the family

One dies to save the daughter, another spends 67 years coaxing the mother to get out of her vr session and then the daughter shows begging to live there

Only daughter worth something is ciele who is single handily fighting off another organisation on her own

These two sluts are unironically the cause of all the issues with this family and lumiere as a whole

Clea genuinely does not give a shit about Alicia

nobody in the game does it actually display that. Clea just appears as cold because all she can think about is hunting the Writers. it's her own way of grieving over her brother's death. she is not processing her brother's death and is instead occupying herself with her crusade.

Based on absolutely nothing.

That doesn't seem right, otherwise clea would have waited for renoir to finish

Damn the game is redpilled on foid nonsense it seems

Clea sent Painted Verso to take care of Alicia. She was the only one who cared about her.

TRVKE
clea even calls her useless and a waste when she tries to offer helping her out in the real world

All the men in this game suffers a fucking lot due to women it seems

Literally adding more time for the dead to be alive in a space where she can create anything.
Bye retard.

You having to be trolling at this point, nobody is that fucking dumb. She does not have to live in the real world forever and never go into a canvas. Verso even encourages her to make more canvases and "never settle for a life she doesn't choose" She just has to stop back into the real world sometimes for the health benefits and then fuck off again. She just is unwilling to go heal in the real world because her attachment to this specific world is too strong so she has to be forced out of this specific world so that she can live for a long time an have many adventures instead of ending her life with this one specific one she thinks she'll like the best because she suffers from being a grieving teenage girl.

She can't create anything. The only thing we've seen her "create" is people that previously existed. She has done no original creations.

They aren't forced to make several paintings. It's never even stated that they HAVE to paint, they just can.

I'm sorry bro but you're just being a retard, and I don't even mean it badly.
It's not about "HAVING TO" make something. It's about creating any world you would want for yourself (or anyone else).
If you can't get that, you're as ill as Maelle is, and there is no point discussing anything about it with you.

Also it doesn't matter how physically ill she is outside as long as she can paint (and probably other sappy things too).

woman does something stupid

instead of letting them suffer consequences, intervene based on emotion

reminder that it wasn't women who gave themselves the right to vote

gaming journalism dies

kino is made

pottery

It's not real

Quick, define real for me.

This is Verso's only painting because he never wanted to be a painter. He hated painting and wanted to be a musician.

Gustave

Denied having kids

Verso 2.0

Forced to live as a puppet to some hag who thinks he's her family

Momoko

never gets to resurrect his kid

Renoire 2.0

Forced to defend a psychotic old lady to keep his fake daughter alive

Literally no one won

So all the people in the painted world actually existed in the real world?

Monoco did ressurect his kid though

idk how Religious people can think the painted world is not real.
A godlike figure creates a world and the life in it and decides when the the living will die. That is pretty much God in Abrahamic Religions. If you don't think the painted world is real you don't think we are real either

No. But they all existed in the painted world before Maelle brought them back.

You do that in a sidequest? Must have missed it happy for the lad

She has the same painter eyes like her mother in her own ending. Do you not understand what painters can do? That’s why you have the game to begin with.
If she is powerless, the ending shot does not need to feature her face because it would suggest the restoration of Gustave and everyone dead was a mechanism beyond Maelle’s control. The fact that Maelle’s face had the paint smear on her eyes is to demonstrate to you that she is the new paintress of the world and her ending is her own doing. Verso even urged her to unpaint him as he lays dying.
You obviously have been lurking the fucking board without playing through both endings. Fuck off.

Its his relationship quest, you go to the river, fight golgra and ressurect noco

Monoco revives Noko as part of his relationship level 6 quest, and Noko is actually Monoco's mentor/father figure, but has died and been reborn more recently than Monoco, who is by the way a painted representation of the family dog

It's his relationship quest.

All the men... suffers a fucking lot due to women it seems

kek i stopped doing that after level 4 and getting the 2nd gradient skill

yeah, it's present in act 3. it's a mixed bag result

Should I get it on PC or PS5?

its actually quite sad when you go and talk with him at the village after

You missed on the best gradient skill though, Monoco's fucking big bell.

She already lives in the perfect fucking world she loves. Why does she HAVE to create another? It doesn't make any sense, and goes against her will. It's nothing but autistic savior complex and inability to understand her real feelings. You don't want her to be happy, you want her to accept your idea of what is supposedly the greater good (that will inevitably make her suffer more).

Are you retarded? If so, PS5

She has the same painter eyes like her mother in her own ending

That's how all painters look while in the painting. We se the same on Renoir and Clea.

because it would suggest the restoration of Gustave and everyone dead was a mechanism beyond Maelle’s control

Why would it do that? We saw her bring back Lune and Sciel.

demonstrate to you that she is the new paintress of the world

Being the "paintress of the world" means nothing. Aline didn't do anything except create people.

verso comes across as the usual suicidal clone trope except he never gets his shit together to find new meaning
if my adoring sister figure was a deity you would bet your ass i'd be doing wild shit instead of moping like a high schooler

PC
You clearly are.

Why would you get it on PS5 if you have a PC that can handle it. I'm a PS5 owner and I just plug in my controller for this game.

Esquie deserved so much better...

Level 3 gradient is worth for at least Verso who can then self revive, Sciel, who can do insane damage based basically on how long the fight has gone, and Monoco who just breaks the enemy, regardless of how full their bar is

Being paintress means nothing in that world

aline, the paintress paints people into existence and gives them the breathe of life

You just contradicted yourself in one sentence retard.

Being the "paintress" is a meaningless title. They just call Aline the paintress because she paint the numbers. It is not an official title given to whoever controls the canvas.

You say that, Franfran waiting how many centuries for Clea? (70 years ago, Aline created the people when adult verso died, but that means maybe millennia passed since the children visited the canvas).
Even though she supposedly visited the canvas 2 or 3 times since Verso's death

game made me feel something so its goty for me

The very first painting she ever experiences is actually the very best one that is most perfect for her and she knows that as an emotionally distressed teenager

This world being her favorite makes it okay for her to die as a teenager rather than having decades of adventures across other canvases

You must be 18 to post here

This is just Gridman without the anime cringe desu.

You dumb fuck go play the game instead of displaying your retardation here
Aline paints life, Renoir paints death.
Aline created all the fake lives and Renoir kills them and uses his power to paint in monsters to destroy Expeditioners so he can slowly drive Aline out of a canvas without life. The Axons were painted by Renoir. If you have played the game you’d know he summons them in the final fight.
Every single one of your retarded points have been btfo by actual in game lore.

could they have not at least given her a glass eye?

not that anon, how are the painting people real if they never existed outside of the painting?

How are you real if all of your existence is nothing but electrical goo parsed by your brain, which itself is just electrical goo describing and experiencing itself?

Nothing you said here has anything to do with our discussion.
So I have no idea why you typed all this.

I just took maele and lune with sciele as a buff bot. Lune alone with her prismatic explosion (one thta uses all 4 stains) single handidly just shits on everything rarely use gradients unless the t2 maele one to revive. Gonna try them out in NG+ see what all the fuss about verso solo build is

You missed the point, retard. Renoir/The Curator wants the expeditions to succeed and kick his wife back to the real world. Aline and her painted version of Renoir kill expeditions to buy the canvas every second of time before Renoir eventually wins.

You're not as smart as you think you are, and that's a hard place for one to find themselves in.

all of your existence is nothing but electrical goo parsed by your brain, which itself is just electrical goo describing and experiencing itself?

I don’t believe that, as I said before in this thread, I believe the fundamental existence of Human beings are their souls. I don’t believe non-living atoms can create consciousness

The countdown only started when Renoir invaded. Who knows how long Aline was in the painting before then? But that shit wasn't even her painting it was Verso's painting from when he was a child. And it clear that Clea also helped paint that shit since they painted Esquie and Francois together. Then it's revealed that this is Verso's only painting because he never liked to paint. He just wanted to play Piano.

You lost the argument and here comes the “nothing you said matters”
Here is a recap of how you got your ass handed to you:
The proposition is Maelle’s ending is a bad ending because she is living and being in charge of a make believe world that Renoir warned of.
I said painters are literal gods in the canvas as revealed in Maelle’s ending and you said being a paintress (a title for someone who can paint in the canvas with their power) is meaningless.
The whole time you keep trying to say “none of them have power” yet the game has demonstrated and explained to you what their powers are.
You just don’t know cuz you didn’t play the fucking game and you’re just taking in quips of what everyone is saying trying to insert yourself into a conversation without any facts.
When you’re shown to be a fucking larper who hasn’t played the game here comes the “it has nothing to do with what we’re talking about why are you typing this”

Why the fuck are you here when you can be playing the game? Is your life really this empty? Seek help.

I said painters are literal gods in the canvas as revealed in Maelle’s ending and you said being a paintress (a title for someone who can paint in the canvas with their power) is meaningless.

You said that Maelle had replaced Aline as the "paintress of the world" I said that the "paintress" title is a meaningless one that doesn't mean anything. Maelle is a painter and she is in the world. But we have no idea if she is activley using her painter powers or not

none of them have power

I never said this. All I said was that Maelle specifically never created anything from scratch.

Maelle specifically never created anything from scratch.

Who do you think this child is supposed to be?

We don't know. We know that she was taking care of a bunch of orphans in the prologue.

Not him, but that's one of Gustave's apprentices.

everyone who lived during era xyz is a zealous worshipper of xyz

My nigger... would you want your accomplishments to be credited to [current year] globohomo turbofaggotry in a century or millenia from now on?

It's one of Gustave's apprentices you fucking mong

Lune owes me sex

Samefagging will not make your headcannon true.
This is child Verso painted by her.

My assumption is that the painting cannot spawn actual new life that wasn't drawn by the painter. So when they were stuck in the gommage cycle, the canvas was recycling people because it literally cannot create what wasn't imagined by the painter.

pagans

The semitic canon is fanfiction of greek/minoan/egyptian/persian mythology and mathematical/geometrical metaphysics. The so-called "New Testament" was penned in (Koine) Greek by a semite expat, whilst the "Old Testament" is literally retconned gibberish.

Who's Elizier Ben-Jehuda and what's "Hebrew"?

Every living thing is "selfish" in the sense that it acts to preserve its own survival and reproduction, often prioritizing its needs over others. This drive—whether instinctual, genetic, or behavioral—ensures the continuation of its lineage, making self-interest a fundamental part of life’s evolutionary strategy. Even acts that appear altruistic can often be traced back to benefits for the individual or their genetic relatives.

Renoir must be so fucking annoyed at the end.
First his bitchmade wife gets lost grieving and then his daughter is about to do the same exact thing.
Also I with they never swapped Gustave for Verso, he was a much better character.
Fucking women amirite

oh god don't tell me the story really is just some fucking "the illusion of choice - 33 more years of final fantasy tactics discourse" shit

it wasn't a dream, they were real for me

never played final slop so I can't deny or confirm

Literally a worthless move because Simon just steals all those shields. And no other fight is hard to enough to require high level Gradiant attacks.

The fuck are you on about. Monocos giant bell completely fills an enemies break bar it has nothing to do with shields.

I'm fucking illiterate. I thought that you meant that his level 2 was the best.

Maelle prefers this brother figure

Holy based?

Monoco's 1 GP attack that puts him into almighty is better because you can do:
Duallist Storm > Almighty form gradient
Every turn, and you can use Sciel to make it do double damage every time too

She'll probably wear that or an eyepatch as she grows up assuming she doesn't kill herself IRL. There's still her voice and crispy face skin and surgery back then probably wasn't the best. The doctors probably would've done something retarded to her like bloodletting or some shit.

no actual scholars believe this but my crackpot pagan youtube grifter said it so it must be true

Billy carson getting buck broken really made you fellas seethe huh? Don't you have some emerald tablets to buy?

Forget this fucking family drama, where are the porn Painters and Writers? I need games about their worlds and adventures.

Nice headcanon yourself.

Writers are probably more stronger 2bh imagine any fanfic you wrote being enacted shit is insane

Maelle's ending is based simply because her family are effectively evil demiurges creating suffering for funsies, and no matter how much suffering the consequences of Maelle's ending would cause them, it will still be only a fraction of what they deserve.

Also there is no information in the game who writers are, but in all likelihood they do exactly same shit as painters but with, uuuhhhh, writing.

Time to fight
Fight to win
Fight again
Fight for the win
youtube.com/watch?v=VB72zMi1eLU

their world's conflict is just bleach's rape monk vs shunsui lmao

E33 is this generation's "escapism bad" aesop alright.

cuh riiiiinge marche hater
It didnt need that at fucking all

Yeah we're all middle schoolers ripped away from our homes and families and thrust into a foreign world (fake or not) but at least Doned can walk and other kids don't make fun of my hair

is retarded EVEN in the theoretical context that there was absolutely no danger. There is no scenario where Marche is in the wrong.

Clea doesn't give a fuck about Alicia. In fact she'd probably be happy she's out of the way now. She was super happy when Alicia got painted into the canvas by Aline and became Maelle because it made her go away for a while.

You haven't done the tower, have you?

Dunno why they gave the 9999+ damage picto at the end of act 2.

Just made the ending a joke if you did any side stuff which of course you would because you just learnt flying. I skipped the entire final boss and dialogue in the final choose your ending fight.

Really baffling decision. I didn't even mean to do it.

After seeing the Maelle ending I'm convinced he was right.

Verso doesn't play the piano

Paint powers activate!

He plays the piano peacefully after this

Yeah... no thanks.

I did. She gives a bit of advice but that's nothing considerable.

I skipped the entire final boss and dialogue in the final choose your ending fight.

Even if you don't do any act 3 side content, you'll still not hear anything past the first line, because Verso and especially Maelle both just do too much damage.

youtube.com/watch?v=CeWsWvpF15U

NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO COME LIVE IN A CAVE WITH A BUNCH OF STINKY UNWASHED NEGROES THAT'S THE REAL WORLD YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOOOOOOOO CYPHER

Not if they were limited to 9999, do you even read the posts you reply to?

Contrived bullshit writing to keep both endings bittersweet. There's no conceivable scenario in my mind where she brings everyone back and Gustave and co don't convince her to go home once they realize staying would kill her.

When are we getting a WEG about Larry Desendre, the long lost bastard of Renoir who paints pornographic worlds for cash

She simply wouldn't create a Gustave that would tell her to go home.

the balancing is whack in this game. im already wiping bosses in like two or three turns starting act 2. didnt even minmax shit

There's no conceivable scenario in my mind where

If she can age Verso to be an old man, she can convince Gustav to be her father/brother

It gets better towards the end of Act 2 because your damage stays at 9999 while boss hp keeps going up
And then it all goes out the window

I didn't make some broken build from the internet, I didn't grind to 99, I didn't level a weapon at all, but I still literally one-shot Renoir and Maelle. It kinda sucked, because the fight against painted Renoir was so hype

you guys need to fix your tastes and play a real jrpg

Mein Neger, look the flashy black mirror right infront of you: it's a bajillion little lights flickering on and off, conjuring as many worlds as you care to visit with it.
Look around you: the world may aswell be an infinite sea of eyes, blinking and squinting, conjuring up just as many worlds as you care to acknowledge.

Likewise, just as you are an amalgamation of a bajillion little critters ane motive forces that's ostensibly governed by a single mind, so is the world an amalgamation of a bajillion critters and motive forces -- you one among them -- that's ostensibly governed by a single mind.

You are but one perspective of an incomprehensible (but very much perceptible and experiential) thing, that's quintessentially cataloging itself through you.

where are the porn Painters and Writers?

They have probably all died

Create a glorious absolute 200% fantasies fulfillment porn reality

Immerse yourself in it

Expire

Maelle's desire to stay in the canvas is fucking nothing compared to what kind of motivation you can get with a proper job.

Gustave would force Maelle to live in a broken body

Why do you think so little of Gustave?

Gustave would force Maelle to live

Yes, retard. That's exactly what he would do as her Father-Brother

You need to read some fucking Descartes my dude.
There's a lot of proof of reality.
Avicenna's spheres and floating man are good thought experiments too

Maelle is living. In the canvas.

Marche did everything wrong

The only reason why Maelle wouldn't erase Verso after he asked her just how she erased painted Maelle, is that her ending would be too good for the author's liking if she did. So her motivation and previously established precedents were discarded to make it worse. At this moment the quality of writing completely shits itself to oblivion. You don't get to do something like this and claim it's anything but absolute bottom of the barrel atrocious writing.

There should be action spinoff with gigachads from Expedition 60.

And I'm sure he'll just stand by and watch as she grows more deformed and grotesque by the day because of it. Retard.

she grows more deformed and grotesque

You mean like how she is outside the canvas?

worlds can carry on after the original maker dies

inhabitants are truly alive so they can just keep on living and thriving

get to fuck and die happily and watch your ink mutts live happily ever after

how is this even escapism when you're basically raising and dying for your silly terrarium full of ants? cool and cute and very fuckable ants in this case?

and what's stopping you from doing it in a healthy way, dropping in and out to check stuff and not coom yourself to death?

Or you just didn't realize that she would lose herself in this life completely. Happened to her mom, for 67 years. And now happened to her.

Maelle is dying in the canvas, like her mother was before her. Only she's doing it faster because her strength as a painter is much lower.

Only she's doing it faster because her strength as a painter is much lower

Headcanon.

Act 1 is kino

Ending of Act 2 ruined the game

Is just me?

damage to your body is only good when it happens beyond your consent (fire bombed, aging) because it builds character

Why Dogshit Steel is here?
Go away

"DEI" was never real, it was just a scare tactic to force voters to vote red and used as a cudgel by extremists to make problems where there are freedoms, such as expression and speech. If a dev wants to be multi ethnic about their characters, the only people who end up bringing attention to it are the same mind washed, scared piglets looking for someone to save them because they themselves do not have the capacity. It's a projection of insecurity. Half the games this board talks about are subhuman chink games or glorified gambling.

why doesn't the girl traumatized by the death of her brother kill her brother again?

must be bad writing

lmao

casually namedrops random e-grifter

appeals to "authority"

How about you read the fanfiction you've subscribed to and compare it to the source materials? Surely you're not a monolingual mutt who adopted "religion" as a sportsball substitute, right?

ywnbaw

Ending of Act 2 ruined the game

Is just me?

It didn't completely ruin it for me but it did drastically lower the stakes and made the whole countdown thing insanely arbitrary. Why were they always exactly a year apart? Why not put something useful on the monolith like a message or even a giant arrow pointing down would have been better.

I just didn't understand why the real Renoir was erasing the only people who could stop his wife.
Weren't there smarter ways to create a sense of urgency, if that was really his motivation?

After you kill the paintress and flashback to before Alicia goes into the painting she specifically says she's worried about the amount of time her parents have spent there and Clea mentions that they in particular are powerful enough to take an extended trip like that.

so is this the star ocean 3 debacle again?

Renoir was gradually erasing the canvas. This manifested in the gommage. He didn't care either way about the people in Lumiere. If he could he would have erased them all at once.

intentional by the writers

That's right, she isn't actually a bad person it's those damn Writers. That's why i'm team Clea

The only time someone made it to Aline she convinced them to go and try kill Renoir instead.

Painted Renoir could just go to Lumiere and explain everything.
Instead, he just kept killing expeditioners and reinforcing their false beliefs

He could stop his wife, it would just take longer. The nevrons Clea made trap Chroma in the body of their victims so it is not released for Aline to use, making her weaker and weaker and weaker, less able to protect the inhabitants of the world. Eventually he would have erased everything, Edition 33 just made it happen sooner.

So... What's the point of Expedition 0? And what's the point to delete random people if the mother only cares about the fake family? Why can he only erase people of a certain age, once a year? Why doesn't he erase other creatures too?

nooo she must leave because I THINK that would be the best for her!

The only time

Expedition 60 also made it. And they also realized the truth and attempted to go after Renoir.

Why fake Renoir was not helping the expedition instead kill them?

So he was in love with the painted Clea I assume and not the real one

another "escapism is....le bad!" story

Thanks for saving me time and money guys

Verso is willing to indulge her and defeat Renoir

Then he sees what is happening to Aline and realizes the truth

He is then proven right in the Maelle ending where the paining is already taking it's toll on her

What's the point of Expedition 0?

The same as all the others. Stop the gommage.

And what's the point to delete random people if the mother only cares about the fake family?

She obviously cared about the people of Lumiere. That's why she was warning them with the number.

Why can he only erase people of a certain age, once a year?

Because Aline is stopping him from doing more, but she is losing power.

Killing them returns their chroma to Aline, rather than risk them being killed by Nevrons, which cause the chroma to be locked in their corpses.

Whats the next big game?

if you mean in the beginning parts, that's PAINTED Renoir, who is working for the paintress to stop expeditioners.

Expeditions want to kill the paintress which would mean the death of him and his painted family, not to mention all the other citizens of Lumiere who at least had a little time left

He tried that before. You can find journals of expeditions that worked with painted Renoir and painted Verso.

So what will the live action be about?

I am suspicious of anyone who actually thinks the people in the painted worlds have like equal rights to real people in the real earth

probably something completely unrelated. and maelle will be black

I'm suspicious of anyone who thinks that just because someone is created it means they are worth less.

Will there be more fire in the live action then?

As much as I liked Maelle throughout the game, picking her ending was not the good one at all

Play the piano verso. Now.

You'd have to be delusional to not believe in let's say "hierarchy of reality".
I actually would not choose fictional people over factual

Nothing because it's not happening.

Dessendre family movie that ends with the fire killing Verso.

What's the point of Expedition 0?

The same as all the others. Stop the gommage

Wrong. They didn't know about the gommage to begin with. They were there to search and rescue any survivors they could find.

Maelle is dead. Alicia is just larping as her.

How can they be fictional if they exists?

Decartes

Mein Neger, "reality" has been pondered since time immemorial -- the closest mankind has come to an answer is the realization that there's none, atleast none remotely as conclusive as your snark implies. The statement:

There's a lot of proof of reality.

just showcases your that you

1) don't understand the argument

My reply does not challenge "reality".

2) don't understand Decartes or the mind experiments you've cited

Try Indra's Web or the bajillion other conceptions of the experiential domain and incomprehensible "godhead", you have millenias worth of human contemplation to pick from.

I know that I’m a conscious person with a soul and thoughts of my own.

How did you come to that conclusion? Because you read the words of others, learned the language of others, watched the reaction of others, listened to the tales of others and the beliefs of others. Self is the greatest illusion of all.

That reminds me, when they say the Writers.. are they referencing the game writers or some kind of "Writers" in game who have writing powers?

Maelle has to save her mom from the evil wizard who locked her in a tower inside a painting.
Evil wizard is her father of course, who represent the patriarchy

Clea was right, she cannot tell the difference.
That scene was like a punch in the gut.

They didn't know about the gommage to begin with

Surely there would be at least a few people above the age of 100.

I think you need to recheck the idea what "existing" means
Painted people do not exist outside the paintings
Fictional characters only exist inside fiction

french women get the blade

Painted people do not exist outside the paintings

But they exist inside it.

Yeah. Real Clea comes in, zombifies painted Clea, then appears before Simon posing as painted Clea, giving him powers. Being an expeditioner he went after Aline but Aline showed him the truth so he went after Renoir and lost.

Why is everyone saying copeso's ending is the good ending?
It's fucking 1905. Alicia has 4-5 years tops before fucking WWI forces her to poverty and dying in the streets of Paris.
Inside the painting, at least she has a good 60 years on her

yeah, but so what?
Garfield exists inside Garfield strips
Would you exchange your life for the survival of a Garfield strip?

It's a faction in the game.

They aren't living in our world, there are magic painters and writers and their decemeber has 33 days

The game is mirror projecting your life on you
You live a pretend life on your computer and ignore your real life just like her

Garfield exists inside Garfield strips

But I can't talk to Garfield. He doesn't have thoughts outside what his writer writes for him. He can't take actions outside of what is drawn for him.
The people inside the painting are acting independently of anyone else.

Fuck Alicia. I'll marry Maelle though

I chose versos ending

You're person A, you lose your memory, live a new life with a new identity as person B.
One day you remember everything, are you person A person B or a amalgamation of person A and B?
You should be able to answer this easily if you are above 80iq

It does not matter how sophisticated or how much fidelity the fictional reality has, it is still fictional
You are trying to make the case that you are willing to believe fiction for fact AS LONG AS it feels REAL ENOUGH FOR YOU?

You are like one step away from being scammed by a very good liar.

because any world she creates will not be a world that contains the essence of her lost brother. they immerse themselves into Verso's painting because it contains a part of him within it, it is his creation and therefore an extension of his soul.

NTA, you've just reduced the argument to semantics and handwaved the domain and frame of reference.

What's conditions have to be met in order for you to acknowledge an existence? There exist critters who are capable of perceiving infinitely more colours, sounds and smells than you can hope to give names to... does your inability to (consciously) perceive them (and their influence on this world) render them non-existent?

It's not just memory. Maelle's chroma is gone, erased by the gommage.

it is still fictional

Why?

You are like one step away from being scammed by a very good liar.

You are one step away from saying designer babies doesn't have any rights because they were created.

Omelette du gommage

Alicia's face is an omelette du gommage

The war with the Writers is real enough.
She's safer inside the painting

The chroma isn't erased. Renoir has it.

Wtf omelettemind

Just like Sciel's and Lune's amirite?

maelle's ultimate attack is simply the fucking gommage

Damn

Get back in the fucking wheelchair.

That just means Alicia doesn't have it. Hence she's not really Maelle. Verso was right.

not voulez vous coucher avec moi

Never trust frogs with making pure kino

She not Maelle or Alicia, she's both

Varso is the only true and also moral ending, he just wants to let himself and his soul who is the creator of the canvas rest along with all the people from Lumiere. i would prefer her ending if it didn't kill her at the end thus killing the world as well but all it does is just prolonging the end nothing more while still tormenting Varsos soul and herself as well

Plane of existence
If I were blind and could not see the real world, I would still have plenty of ways reaffirming the plane of reality with my other senses.
The paintings are not a different sensation, they are a wholy fictional plane of existence
There is no level of perception that gets you past that barrier, unless you are of the other plane of existence
Nobody has come back from death, nobody has come back to reality from heaven. Either because it does not exist (there can only be one level of reality) or we cannot perceive it (then we do not matter)

She tells Verso in this scene that she prefers Maelle. Meaning she sees herself more as Maelle than she sees herself as Alicia

What does Clea think about erasing the painting? I feel like she's only sane person in the family

So I'm going to be able to play as Sophie in the DLC right?

So The Renoir we fought at the monolith was the one created by the mother or by the real Renoir?

Everyone dies in the end anon.
Either 60 years in fantasy, or 60 years in reality.

Verso was a-okay with saving the canvas until Renoir showed him what's happening to Aline and figured he should be the good brother

if you mean at the end of act 2, that is still the painted Renoir from the Paintress.

Clea

sane

My nigga....did you even play the game?

Alicia is in self-denial, that's the whole crux of her character. Every scene in Act 3 shows she's nor Maelle. Maelle would never have pulled the shit she pulls. It's even punctuated with different facial expressions and vocal intonation.

Because they didnt know how to properly balance the game

Post game and side content should be different things. Side content being the optional boss fights before the end, and post game being the absolute overpowered shit like Simon. Act 3 side content should have been balanced around 9999 damage max and actually put some thought in the design of the enemies to not be just dodge slop and do a lot of damage, but actually interact with the RPG mechanics
Simon boss fight had a right idea: he steals your shields. Sadly, the boss fight is so overpowered that even if you balance your characters around having no shields (lots of HP, buffs, etc), he does WAY too much damage and his attacks are WAY too precise, so theres no other way to properly fight simon except either parry and learn EVERY SINGLE ATTACK or just abuse Maelle and one shot him.
Imagine a side content bosses that uses the shield mechanic but keep the numbers grounded. Another boss could delete and absorb your buffs. The flying serpent deleted your AP, that was great. Another one will always burn you or will not let you heal, etc.
Sadly this wasnt the case. It was all just big damage numbers and stack pictos over the other rather than prioritize.

Oh and the max number of luminas should have been 100 before the game ended, and after that let it be more, so the player has to carefully alocate pictos and design a strategy.

Mother, the whole painted family was created by her

Tomorrow is here

The copies are by the Paintress.
The Cope Dessendres.

copeNoir dies protecting her

copelea gets imprisoned in a mansion

copelicia commits suicide by self

copeso betrays everyone

She's the one to tell Alicia to stop Verso's soul from painting.
It's why we know Verso's Canvas is ultimately doomed. No matter if Alicia leaves, or stays, or gets pulled out, or dies. Clea destroys the Canvas.

She's a woman. They nailed this aspect of her womanhood very, very accurately. So don't despise her, just take it as a warning from art to reality.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one mixing those words up

yup

If youre over 32, you didnt beat the game

I did not beat the tower, the post

She's the only one with her priorities straight.

Correct. You, on the other hand, lost the game.

It's so cool that the game's endings rely on you thinking good writing is when characters never ever change or learn or grow. Verso wanted to die at the start of the game? Welp, he also want to die at the end of the game. Who cares what happened the entire time in-between?

NTA but tower is too long and boring

So the fake one alright.
Thanks The fake one wanted ti to continue while the reral one wanted it to end If I understand it correctly

I picked Verso's ending. I also constantly refreshed Anon Babble when it was down.

It's very French. You can smell the despair of their civilization from the pixels.

There is no good or bad in either ending. You just have to choose which person to force into enduring endless suffering for the sake of another's happiness. Making Verso suffer for eternity knowing his existence destroys a family in the "real" world is necessary to make all the efforts of Lumiere and the expeditions worth it to save their people and take back the lives stolen from them.
Forcing Alicia out of the painting and into a miserable life where everyone hates her for being a talentless disfigured freak, while also destroying all of Lumiere forever, is necessary for the sake of Aline and Renoir to have a chance to save what's left of their family. It also means painting Verso can be free of his torment.

But I think more importantly, the endings are about what art means to you. Do you believe that art is so fundamental and significant to human existence that you could accept yourself as being happier with the artificial, the world where humanity has freedom to create their own happiness? Or do you believe art is a mere reflection of reality that should never be a substitute of it, and becoming attached to art is wrong as the only thing that matters in the end is reality and all the misery that comes with it.

True and that's what i'm saying as well, but the fact is that Alicia will still suffer in the canvas while also making Verso suffer as well, while if she leaves Verso will pass on and she will just suffer in reality

Speedreader.
Verso clearly was torn the whole time, having to hide ther whole thing. His growth come being fully commiteed to fight Alicia, without hiding anything, embracing fully the consequences.

Little Prince, Les Miserables, Count Of Monte Cristo.

Wtf is wrong with these frogs?

It's so cool that the game's endings rely on you thinking good writing is when characters never ever change or learn or grow.

I think you missed Verso's ending.

The biggest mistake I did was accidentally hitting my Anon Babble bookmark and seeing that Anon Babble wasn't down anymore

torn

who cares? He didn't change at all.

Either because it does not exist (there can only be one level of reality) or we cannot perceive it

Aha.

(then we do not matter)

Very odd and fatalistic inference.

Verso wanted to die at the start of the game? Welp, he also want to die at the end of the game. Who cares what happened the entire time in-between?

That's because Verso is the villain. Along with the rest of hid rotten family.

Retard

There is no good or bad in either ending.

Massive cope trying to rationalize the poor writing. Maelle's ending is obviously depicted as bad while Verso's is depicted as good. Ignore the mass genocide that is implied in Verso's.

I think some of you need to rewatch all cutscenes of the game

Their civilization is coming to a close. They, as a people, will cease to exist within 100 years and their sole legacy will be a dead language that's occasionally used by elevens in their VNs.

"it is good"

"ignore the mass genocide"

You are either religious or not
You cannot really be in-between

Verso helping Maelle defeat finalRenoir? Uhhhhh that's just like... a moment of doubt and hesitancy right before he changes his mind at the literal last moment. Totally consistent btw.

seething anglo that the french are still winning

Ignore the mass genocide that is implied in Verso's.

You shouldn't account lumiere at all really, they get erased in the end no matter what, it's just a question of when

the sloppa is very real it makes you smell like shit, but other sloppa enthusiasts can't smell it. But goddamn you sloppa lovers, get away from me you reek.

Things your closest friends say? Ignore them, they're meaningless.

But anon, Le Comte de Monte Cristo had a good ending. Anyway, what do you expect from a people that killed their royalty and nobility? Instead of imprisoning the fat fucks and using them as living examples for posterity, they simply washed the ground with blood. What a waste.

Are you autistic?

Verso in act2 wanted to destroy the canvas because escapism is wrong.
Verso in act3 wanted to destroy the canvas because Alicia will die.

They are not the same

youtube.com/watch?v=_r2iKZ1NWTU
This is such a good boss battle theme.
I will never forget it, a shame that I was too powerful so I only died twice to it.

Maelle being a massive hypocrite in her ending? Yeah she totally decided to 180 on her stance regarding autonomy, but that's consistent somehow.

When this started I legit got stunned irl by how hard it went, and got hit by Renoir's opening attack

Rosbif, the French language will never cease to exist. There are too many negroes that speak butchered flavours of said language due to the French obsession with such people of colour.

Verso is just trying to find a way to justify destroying everything and everyone just so he fulfill his selfish desire to die. every other reason he names to destroy the canvas is a lie.

Gridman had very natural dialogues and the sense of humor very reminiscent of this game, there was really nothing "cringy" there.

gets her memories back

starts clinging to verso and getting touchy with him

instantly erases her painted self so verso has no one left but her

cheeky slut

Post yfw you realised that Monoco and Noco were the Dessendre family pets

I was prepared to be disappointed by "it was all a dream" twist when i saw them, but then the paintings blew my mind.

My question is.. What's the deal with the fact that Verso died on 33 December? Writers doing?

that is directed at fake Verso, not Maelle. it's Monoco telling him to stop being a miserable little shit and start enjoying life again.

dude 33 lmao

Post yfw when you realized they are painted specifically to love Veruso.

Didn't the thread at all. Don't care about low IQ debate.
Just here to state that the Maelle ending is indeed canon and anyone picking the faggot ending is filled with melanin.

it's Monoco telling him to stop being a miserable little shit and start enjoying life again.

Yep, that's why he starts begging Maelle to let him die

Clea will just pull her out the canvas by her hair.

What are you talking about? The last remaining bit of real Verso's soul is being a slave to painting. Painted Verso doesn't want to see the last remaining bit of his real self to be a slave to something he didn't even care doing that much. Sure, he wasn't ready to let go of Alicia but that's understandable given the circumstances. You can't sit around and wallow in grief for eternity. People die and you have to move on. That's why Verso wanted things to end.

Just here to state that the Maelle ending is indeed canon and anyone picking the faggot ending is filled with melanin.

I picked Maelle's first and instantly regretted it. It's selfish and Maelle turns into an obsessive control freak. That's actual nigger tier behavior.

The 33 is literally 33 developers. It's memes throughout the entire game. You get achievements for leveling in 3, you get attribute points in 3, it's expedition 33.
Don't burn your brain too much

It doesn't matter tho, Alicia will still suffer in canvas along with Verso while after she dies the canvas will be destoryed anyways, so it's just a matter of wether you want both Verso and Alicia to suffer in the canvas or just Alicia to suffer in the real world, seems like a pretty easy choice

retard coping

Verso is a cunt. easy choice. let them suffer both.

Wtf is wrong with these frogs?

It's not exactly French revolution, it's them accepting and internalizing French revolution as the Good Thing after dust has settled, instead of acknowledging that it was a catastrophic act of self-harm that costed them world hegemony and they generally shat themselves with it. It's a disease that is always with them now. You should be able to recall the last Olympics where they were again mocking Marie Antoinette, a woman who did absolutely nothing wrong but was humiliated and murdered by revered French national heroes for being a wife to a head of state who also did nothing wrong, other than being a head of state.

Those people are cursed. As old and powerful their culture is, it is poisoned and it will remain poisoned for as long as they are like this.

No, it's Verso asking why Monoco would help him doom the painting and Monoco basically conceding that Verso should get to die, even if that also kills Monoco (and everyone else)

wat? she thinks all the painting shit is retarded make believe.

Just one shot everything? It was easy

destroy the canvas

everything about the painter family is immediately resolved

lmao what? That's like if I had a drug addiction, you threw away a couple of my pills, and then I instantly healed. I can't even describe a single personality trait of Aline other than her mourning her dead son, who gives a fuck about her

it's boring because it is easy and you can oneshot everything, retard-kun

What does it mean how Verso sees nobody when the charm boss tries to charm him?

You're comparing addiction to grief. It's not the same thing

monarchist cuckold

Based pedo! Licky lick Maelle's cunny.

Oh really? "Every one of us" deserving a new beginning must mean just being deleted from reality.

You are either religious or not

Ok.

You cannot really be in-between

You mean to say that you conflate faith/spirituality with religion?

I'd say in terms of religious practice there is a spectrum (of comprehension), from lowest to greatest:

atheism ("Nothing". Unadultered "RNG". Plain, abstract language -- dissolution of experience and meaning.)

monotheism (One "God". "RNG" through the whims of a singular stand-in, an egregore created by few. Language as tool of tribal governance.)

polytheism (Many "Gods". Balance and natural/social order through benelovent egregores, manifested by many. Language as tool of civilizational curation.)

henotheism (All "Gods". Egregores as emanations of something greater. Language as a tool of mediation, rehabilitation and guidance.)

pantheism (All. The 'Common Denominator' or 'creative, generative principle'. Language as a tool of inquiry beyond the veil of human experience.)

Still then: faith/spirituality transcend it. If in a millenia from now globohomo managed to boil down all religion into a single universal cult running on a single piece of scripture that reads "OBEY!" in bold letters, over and over again in bold letters, you'd still find faithful/spiritual people who'd manage to salvage it and provide guidance and purpose to others -- you wouldn't credit globohomo, its cult or that debtcattle-manual for their great deeds.

People were mentioning FFTactics. Is it the one with Ramza in it, or a different one I don't know of?

retard

being attracted to 16 year olds is pedophilia now

this worls is trully fucked

used to be the best wine makers, stolen by Spain

used to be the best country to study in, stolen by Japan

used to be the best military, stolen by America

used to be the best writers, stolen by England

used to be the lingua franca of commerce, stolen by English (or Chinese soon)

used to be the best fashion designers, stolen by Italy

used to be the most hated country in Europe, stolen by Russia

used to be the best bakers, stolen by Japan again

They are slowly gommaging as a culture

a head of state who also did nothing wrong, other than being a head of state.

He is the reason why America exists. He bankrupted the country to give birth to America. Americans don't seem to remember King Louis was the monarch who helped them fight for independence. And what do the rebels do in return? Nothing.