I can't take most post-apocalyptic games seriously because, despite the fact that they may be violent...

Leftists need their ideology to appear in every work of fiction. The time period or setting are irrelevant. Whether it’s 1000 years in the past or 1000 years in the future, the characters will have the dame beliefs as the writers.

Also, women hunted in primitive society, when there was need.

Sure, like when most of the men were killed by a mammoth and the tribe was on the brink of extinction.

Well I'm glad you admitted your view is entirely ideological at the end there.

I see that writing fiction you personally find compelling as a substitute for objective fact is a trend with you.

Go prove.
I forgot to say that fight isn't always barehanded or 1v1. In such scenario the usage of terrains and weapons make both gender more equal performatively.
I just don't get why you have to put incel views to such hypothetical situation. It's totally beyond that.

So you're saying that the more dire a situation is, the less people will give a shit about traditional gender roles and expect women to step up and do a "man's job"? Yes, thank you, that is indeed what history has shown time and again.

go prove a negative

lol

incel views

Alright, thanks for showing that you're not worth talking to. I guess everyone in history up until 20 years ago was an "incel", huh?

a horse-girl from my childhood friends group once challenged me to an arm wrestling match because she thought that years of cleaning out stables made her strong. she was about my height and did lots of sports. she wasn't exactly thin either.
she gave up after 3 rounds of me absolutely crushing her. she was a little angry, but mostly surprised, confused and disappointed. we ended up wrestling on my couch, where she became completely still and silent every time I got on top of her. she gave herself up completely to me just through sheer physical dominance.
you clearly never fought a girl, for whatever reason. probably never even had a sister.

Modern ideology is a product of the decadence of our advanced civilization.

No. It's a product of +300yrs unending botched eugenics, social misengineering and reckless usury. Fix the monetary system and advertisment and 98% of al fake, gay and retarded bullshit disappears within a year and mankind leaps into a perpetual Golden Age.

I don't know what you think you're proving. Women wouldn't be selected as scavengers just because it's a post-apocalypse, they'd only be forced to do a man's job (no need for scare quotes) if something catastrophic happened to the men and it was the last chance at survival. A group at such dire straits would almost certainly not survive.

it makes no sense not to teach it to half your group

It makes sense because you don't need the entire group to be out hunting.
Division of labor can be more efficient. Instead of teaching everyone everything, you specialize.
And yes, in hunter-gatherer groups, specialization tended to be very low. But even in such societies, there was ALWAYS gender based division of labor. And there were good reasons for it.
And i'm not saying women are incapable of hunting.

CrossFit

That is a pure meme.

Reminder that Olympic women's sports teams can't beat teenage boys.

Women wouldn't be selected as scavengers just because it's a post-apocalypse

They absolutely would, and this way they would outcompete other scavenger groups of comparable size who insist on only sending out men. Again, especially if guns enter the equation, the ability to shoot matters more than your size.

no need for scare quotes

They're not "scare quotes" you bleeding git
Sure, you may want to specialise - but then there are tasks where pure physical strength may actually come in handier than with hunting.

this is what's considered "mature entertainment for adults" in 2025

youtube.com/watch?v=fXjrS47snaM

A lot of what you wrote would make sense, provided there are no guns, as firearms essentially level the playing field between men and women in terms of deadliness. In prior ages between guns, a man's physical strength more or less settled conflicts.

Women won't be scavengers or soldiers not because they are weaker than men but because they will be very important baby making factories assusming the society they are a part of wants to survive for more than 30 or so years

Can't wait for an incel to crawl out of his basement when the tendies stop coming, expecting to overpower the first woman he sees on account of his naturally superior strength, only to be perforated by bullets

It's not just about fighting, it's also about covering large distances and carrying supplies back and forth.

I suppose some women could be trained as snipers, but other than that there's no benefit to training one instead of a man.

I think your conception of the post-apocalypse

Completely irrelevant what you think. What lead people out of tribes and tribal culture was organization through strong men. After society falls, what do you think strong men will do? They will fight for leadership, and the strongest tribes will go wander around and subjugate weak tribes. For example, weak tribes with pathetic little men like you, who send their women hunting. You will be killed off faster before you can utter "muh feminism", and your head on a pike will be a reminder to all other weak men and women.

Sure, he'd probably be killed by a group of men who live under a patriarch for his supplies. What's your point.

it's also about covering large distances and carrying supplies back and forth.

Women can carry supplies long distances, as they have done in ages past. The vastly superior upper body strength of men is primarily used for physical altercations (with other men) such as punching.

For society to survive we will all have to fight each other for the death

Yeah okay makes sense

the funniest part about this is that no woman ever believes it - until they have to prove themselves.

as firearms essentially level the playing field between men and women in terms of deadliness.

they really dont

they really dont

Because you say so?

You are living in a fantasy world, anon. The idea that superior strength and endurance is only useful for punching is asinine.

youtube.com/watch?v=2F_3MKYiF_c

M8 your fucking ape society is going to wreck itself in the first hour of the apocalypse

It's fiction, it doesn't have to be realistic. TLOU2 would be your favorite game if it had an anime art style.

How many women do you think are in the list of most deadly soldiers?

shit game with shit story and shit characters

Nah.

I'm not claiming that women can do the same endurance tests, but they can (and have) done plenty of carrying this long distances in the past.

Women body builders get rekt by normal men all the time. Men have special adaptations that allow them to punch harder and grapple better. Women don't have these because they had no evolutionary selection for it.

Even mentally, men will just naturally organize and work as a team with strangers much better.

Even from a reproductive stance its a really bad idea to use women for war. A women can only give birth once a year, and raising children takes at least a decade. It's not nice but men are way more expendable. A tribe that loses half its men will recover much faster then a tribe that loses half its women. Life isn't fair but it's all we got.

Yeah mate, you're backing down just because someone called you an incel.

How many women do you think are in the list of most deadly soldiers?

None, what's your point?

lol....
that so dumb.
hard cringe

I'm not claiming that women can do the same endurance tests

The sentence could end right there. They can't do the same endurance tests because they aren't built for it, simple as that.

You claimed that guns level the playing field. I'll let you put two and two together.

why don't zombies in any media attack other zombies?
they're apparently very good at recognizing real, alive humans from dead humans who are zombies
just throw some green paint over yourself and start walking like you had too much to drunk, and zombies can't recognize you as a treat to bite into

i hate zombie media... when i watch a film, read a manga, play a videogame, i expect worldbuilding to make at least minimum of a sense. zombies don't ever make any sense

What you need to realise is that having imperfect aid is still better than no aid. The army makes a selection. It can afford to demand only the best candidates. Survivors don't make a selection; they are selected. People need to carry their weight. That would be the actual reality of a post-apocalypse. You can't afford to have people sitting around just washing and sewing and cooking.

They can't do the same endurance tests because they aren't built for it, simple as that.

The tests they took for built especially for men. If men took the same test used for horses they would fail.

women are worse at shooting even when it comes to competitions where you just stand and shoot at a target
real battles involve moving around while carrying your equipment, coordinating with others in your group and various other aspects and women are far worse than men at all of those aspects

that is what humanity has been doing since grug chucked his first spear into another men, and it is what we will be doing long after you rot in a shallow grave
your ape society is currently shoving dildos into kids while blowing fellow men to pieces with explosives.

what's funny is that despite thousands of years of technological advancement that mankind has produced to level the playing field for people to make things easier and more efficient than ever before, yet woman still overwhelming avoid working physical or dangerous roles.

See

youtu.be/r_HApmGofeA

why we still debating about who would do better in extreme situations. kek

anon there's a reason 99.99% of the people in combat footage from the Russia Ukraine war are men.

So the difference in ability between men and women is comparable to the difference in ability between men and horses.

You're making my argument for me.

What you need to realise is that having imperfect aid is still better than no aid.

having women with you in a battle is a hindrance, not aid

anon there's a reason 99.99% of the people in combat footage from the Russia Ukraine war are men.

And that reason is Russia conscripts men.

You ever heard of raising children? What about growing and tending crops? Those are rather important jobs that don't involve fighting or scavenging.

So the difference in ability between men and women is comparable to the difference in ability between men and horses.

That was not the point I was making, the difference between men and horses is massive, but I don't think its the same gap between men and women.

imperfect aid is worse than no aid. Some retard fucking up can get an entire group of people killed instantly

And that reason is Russia conscripts men.

yeah they just arbitrarily made that decision and it has nothing to do with the fact that women make terrible soldiers

Guns have existed for centuries and infantrywomen are still almost nonexistent.

When the French Revolution decided to give a gun to every male pleb they almost wrecked everyone else together.
Why haven't we had this with women?

and Ukraine conscripts women? Guess that's why Ukraine is getting gaped

All right, so all the grugs are going to fight each other for "leaership" and then when the bloody survivors emerge from their caves, they're going to be faced by an organised militia or people who may be less individually strong but who realise that cooperation is actually how humanity survived the stone age

Why did feminists have to start this argument? Everyone knows men are stronger than women. They didn't need to try to change people's opinion on that. They could still make the case for women's rights while also acknowledging biological reality.

The army makes a selection. It can afford to demand only the best candidates.

It's absolutely hilarious how you just put your absolutely lack of common knowledge on display without any care in the world. You must either be a woman or a severely mentally ill man.

Okay, but there is a gap, and a significant one. That's why there would be no benefit in training a woman over a man in a survival scenario.

yeah they just arbitrarily made that decision and it has nothing to do with the fact that women make terrible soldiers

The Russian army is terrible, so I don't think this is the point you want to make.

and Ukraine conscripts women? Guess that's why Ukraine is getting gaped

Lol, that is rich. The country that is 3 times larger is struggling to beat a tiny neighbor that it thought it would topple in "3 days". Are you sure this is the point you want to make?

they will never get it. even when it happens right in front of them their reaction is anger and contempt and forgetting the evidence they're wrong as quickly as possible. they can't believe the gap is really that great because they've never experienced it.

hey're going to be faced by an organised militia

my nigger in christ, the bloody grugs ARE the militia, and you will be the one facing them. will your women hunters will be able to protect you from them? what do you think?

The Russian army is terrible, so I don't think this is the point you want to make.

so why isnt ukraine using women in their military
maybe because they also realized that women make terrible soldiers

That's why there would be no benefit in training a woman over a man in a survival scenario.

There is no good reason to overly specialize people in a situation like the apocalypse. If you find yourself in a group of 50-100 people, you would likely find a woman or two with a good head on her shoulders and is good with a gun. You are NOT thinking about "persevering the human race" you are thinking about where you are going to get your next meal.

So your saying that female soldiers are a product of decadence, as is stated in the OP.

Certainly you couldn't be arguing that a country starting from zero would be better off with female soldiers, right?

Are you saying that the strength and endurance tests have absolutely no bearing on whether or not they'll let you in the army? They'll just let anyone in?

Woman playing footbal against men is retarded. It's not even that men are stronger and have better brains and teamwork. Any kid has been playing football since before they started walking. Every free minute in school they were playing football. When it was raining, they were playing football. When the sun was scorching the floor, they were playing football. Thousands and thousands of hours playing football.
Meanwhile any woman, got to her 20s and said: yeah i can play the ball the same as men.

overly specialize

There's nothing remotely "overly specializing" about simply giving men male jobs and women female jobs. Throwing women into the wilderness to get killed is not a good survival strategy.

the bloody grugs ARE the militia

You're the circular firing squad who will kill each other over minor squabbles because you all think you're the strong men who get to lead

yeah Russia is only fighting a tiny neighbour that is not getting any assistence from the EU and America whatsoever

horses are to men as men are to women

that's a lot more insulting to women than whatever you may have been trying to disagree with

we have people at the federal levels of policy writers and heads of medical sciences publicly debating about whether or not a man can give birth like it wasn't considered a biological fact just a few decades ago.
when you think about how far common sense has fallen in the public sphere it's not surprising to see the "women are just as strong as men" argument is still going strong.

Are you saying that you are so clinically retarded that you actually believe the fitness tests of the military are about selecting the best candidates, and not for weeding out the broken ones?

uses his nub to hold on

Weirdly adorable.

Throwing women into the wilderness to get killed is not a good survival strategy.

It is if one women has a better head on her shoulders than the 10 men. You are running into the issue of using population averages to infer trends, then using those trends too narrowly to make decisions when you are dealing with a smaller sample size. When you are dealing with handfuls of people, you have outliers (of the smaller group) that will be more advantageous for the group as a whole.

circular firing squad who will kill each other over minor squabbles

but enough about women

Look at how fucking bad the distribution is

Although the two singular outliers make me curious, I wonder who is

the 35 year old man who's weaker than 80 year old women

and

the one 40 year old woman who's actually stronger than a small majority of men

But yeah, math is math; every man is stronger than every women to an extent that exceptions are rarer than lottery winners

yeah Russia is only fighting a tiny neighbour that is not getting any assistence from the EU and America whatsoever

Ok Ivan, your army of big, strong men will surly take Kyiv in two more weeks.

if one women has a better head on her shoulders

If she had a good head on her shoulders, she wouldn't be making a nuisance of herself and demanding to do jobs she's not built for.

I don't think grip strength is going to be the deciding variable in the apocalypse

You can contrive some situation where it makes sense to use a woman for hunting over the available men, like none of the men can hunt but some of the women can. But that would only last until the men learned to hunt. It's during a situation like an apocalypse, when everyone's survival is most threatened and everyone recognizes that it is rather than being in denial about it, that competence - specialization - both matters most and is deliberately sought the most.

you wouldn't send the person able to create the next generation to do something dangerous that they are less qualified to do than able bodied men. thats why there are "hunter gatherers". women are the latter

Okay, but are there any post-apocalyptic games that don’t have the girlboss scavenger bullshit?

0:10

I've probably seen this gif posted for probably well over a decade now and that reaction is still pure gold.

Semantics. They are selecting candidates who can meet a certain standard, i.e., the most suitable, i.e., the best.

The point I am making here is that the army can select who they are going to send into combat situations. In an apocalypse survival setting, you do not have that luxury. You do not get to leave all the women and children behind overseas while you and the men go scavenging in Fallujah. You cannot afford to be as discriminating as a modern military.

It is if one women has a better head on her shoulders than the 10 men.

In a one-in-a-million situation, you'll see something like that, sure.

Your argument is that no form of strength is "the deciding variable". Your ideology is predicated on strength and endurance being inconsequential.

Good thing to counterargue it we know that women do bench press much more than men
Run faster, too

grip strength is a proxy for overall strength, midwit-kun

Let's go along with this and assume you really got this one in a million woman who's really better than most men (one in a billion if she is straight up better than them)

Is it really worth it to organize your entire society to accomodate this rare outlier that might even not exist, in a context where survival is on the line?

Reminder: Everything after the ending of base-game TLOU1 is NOT canon. It is all a nightmare that Ellie has before she wakes up in bed next to me.

The one that really blows my mind is that women also suck at board games/video games/math/etc.

Like this is the shit that really should be a level playing field because your bone density muscle fiber tension whatever doesn't matter and they STILL flop there too

Why does there need to be a separate chess league for women because the best female chess players in the world who dedicated their whole lives to it are still worse than guys who did it for one year in college? It doesn't make sense but it's true

lol it's the

are you fucking kidding me

of coming to grips with just how insane the strength different is

Let's go along with this and assume you really got this one in a million woman who's really better than most men

That's ridiculous, better at what? The only the matters the most is

-Do they have good decision making capacities?
-Are they able bodied?
-Can they handle a gun?

You take 100 people from the average population, you might end up with 1 or 2 women than are on the same level (or better) than the average young man in those areas.

You are not sending them out to a bench-press competition. You are sending them to gather supplies and potentially fight other humans with fire-arms.

Where did I say that you dumb nigger? I don't get it, do you actually think Ukraine will keep all their land or something? Russia will be fucked if they lose the war, no world leader except Zelensky wants Russia to lose because a fucked country that needs to take drastic measures to survive and also has nukes is not an ideal scenario for anybody.
The West will keep bleeding Russia as much as possible and Russia will win in the end but they will have sustained heavy injuries

have small group of survivors

feminist women who still think it's the pre-apocalypse demand that they be allowed out on scavenger missions

"ok, you can all go on your own, that shouldn't be a problem, right?"

they all get killed 30 feet from camp

send the men to retrieve their supplies

the women who are left aren't poisoned by ideology

beta males fall in line since there are no feminists to simp for

I'd be a great advisor for the leader, holy shit.

I'm saying that your army of big strong MEN is being humiliated by a smaller army that has women in it.

Leave it to romanians to make beating women a national sport shown on television.

You are not sending them out to a bench-press competition. You are sending them to gather supplies

You really are just incapable of understanding the value of strength and endurance, aren't you? There's little need to continue this conversation.

Reminder that Olympic shooting is the only sport segregated because women were outcompeting men
A tribe where 50 people know how to use a gun will lose to a tribe where 100 people know how to use a gun

That's why in the post-apocalyptic setting I'm writing, the virus solely affects women, and it makes them seven feet tall and highly sexually aggressive
The kindest and most noble girls barely restrain their urges to pin down and rape every man they see

*that's being funded by the most powerful country in the world

Whoa.. that's impressive!

Or you could've just said you hate women, chud.

I was gonna post this I love how this instantly every time shuts these fgagots up lol

If I hated women, I'd probably send them out in the wilderness to get raped.

You are sending them to gather supplies and potentially fight other humans with fire-arms.

that's the point, anon.

You really are just incapable of understanding the value of strength and endurance, aren't you?

I'm massively undervaluing it for a reason. In the stone age it was extremely important, in the 21st century apocalypse it's less important. It has some advantages to be sure, but not vital. I'll take one smart woman who can make good decisions over a big strong man who makes worse decisions any day.

Modern militaries are explicitly anti-discriminatory, i.e., they take women when it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for them to do so, because of political reasons. Whatever the rate of women to men is in those, the rates would be millions of times lower in a practical situation with real concerns like the end of the world.

The only time you'd start using women over any available man is when you've basically ran out of men, because even teenage boys perform better than women. Maybe if you've somehow got more guns than you do hands to hold them, giving them to childless post-menopausal women starts making sense. But once you start giving them to other types of women than that, you're either in such deep luxury that survival obviously isn't a concern for you anymore, or you're in such dire straights that even a toddler with a knife would be pushed onto the battlefield if you could coax it to stab someone because if you lose everyone s going to die anyway so may as well go down swinging.

But outside of VERY VERY extreme situations, it's always retarded to use women for combat. Not that people don't do it anyway. The soviets used women for combat. And it was retarded. All they did was die pointlessly, doing retarded things, because they can't think on their feet. I guess they might make useful suicide bombers of kamikaze pilots or something else that doesn't require any kind of situational awareness. And you can get women to do shit like that, since they're subject-oriented, so just convince them that lots of people will be mad at them if they don't and they'll do it. But using them for anything else is like trying to use sub-80iq people for combat: It's just retarded; they do more harm to themselves and those around them than they do good. Never mind all the other issues.

They are using female soldiers.

This is a bullshit argument anyway
I'm of the opinion that the Ukrainian army is doing rather well given the odds but also that the Ukrainian army doesn't actually have any significant number of women/trannies/whatever in it, although every once in a while they'll pose one for the camera because they know that wrings money out of western faggots

All footage of the warzone shows the Ukrainian force overall are the same kind of slavic chud chads you'd expect from the Russians (possibly marginally less chinky)

women acting as scavengers is absurd

You are aware of the fact that women were gatherers in hunter gatherer times right?

BIGOT SANDVICH

That's ridiculous, better at what?

Hunting and fighting
It's not just a matter of physical difference, but i don't want to get into that.

But the point is, cultures aren't set up to select the rare few women who might make it.
They just teach all women to do women jobs and all men to do men jobs.

umm, chuddie? women would gather nuts and berries 10 feet from camp. I bet you feel pretty dumb now, huh?

The first last of us was solid. There weren't really many women scavengers and what all, Ellie was just a rambunctious kid and had spent practically no time on the outside of a safe zone, and the moment she did she got bitten.
Every time you're up against a group it's all men.
I've only seen bits of let's plays for tlou2 and it looks like fucking trash. What modern bullshit the first game had is ramped up to 11 and the theme of the story is retarded high school writing assignment garbo.

I just want to remind everyone that "gender" was a word made up in the 1950s by a jewish pedophile named john money. Your chromosomes determine your sex. There is no such thing as gender and using their terminology only helps them control you.

those rascals

lmao he's just halfheartedly throwing punches out too

Who won?

Gender is a social construct, sex is not.

Ugh this game is so unrealistic. A woman could never fight.

this is absolutely made up, next time you take in some new "fact" you learn doublecheck your sources

Smartest post in the thread

but Russia is winning and it's not my army. idk why retards like you think that just because I think Russia will win I support Russia. Russia would get rekt if the EU got directly involved, assuming no nukes get used. EU citizens will never want that to happen though unless Russia directly attacks them first. And I don't think the EU leaders are retarded enough to actually join the war either

Turns out games are made for fun. So are movies, which is why Mad Max 2 from 1981 still has a "badass" female warrior. Because it's an action movie, not a documentary.

Want a post-apo documentary? Watch Threads, and decide for yourself if it would make for a fun video game.

anon discovers videogames are virtual toys, they are juvenile by nature, doesnt nstter how violent/gritty/erotic they can be, it appeals to childish fantasies

Just enjoy it, or move on

Do people really believe that women wouldn't just become property or prostitutes in a post apocalyptic world?
It's not just women either, outside of small forts where there is a level of order, children would suffer the same fate as well.
It's weird how that's never acknowledge in all these zombie media, just how much rape there would be.
Hell, why do people also shy away from this in fantasy and the like, just how much people becoming property it would be common.
People give Isekai shit for this, but yeah, slavery and rape would be rampant,

the world became more woke in the sequel

I swear TLOU has the worst worldbuilding

and this way they would outcompete other scavenger groups of comparable size

Not long term. Not if your women are getting killed at the same rate as men.
Turns out society needs children.

if you think that gathering only happened 10ft from a camp I'm sorry to say this but your survival skills are so low any post-apocalyptic tribe would leave you behind to die

She's a witch, a traditional feminine role

youtube.com/watch?v=YbBIK8CzCYo

It’s not like Ellie is wrestling people to the ground: she’s shooting them, stabbing them, hiding, making traps. And why wouldn’t Ellie dislike someone calling her a dyke, they’re not living in the wilderness she has lived in settlements her whole life basically and she’s educated. This (probably) isn’t an analysis of the game world and more like a projection of their sociopolitical views

Bigot is one of the gayest words ever. I can never take anyone who uses the word "bigot" seriously nowadays. It makes someone sound like a caricature of a purple haired dyke.

I don't need you to repeat your programming back to me, I need you to go look up John Money.

Chuds would have called this game woke if it released today.

women cant even compete with men in video games and you retards think they could compete with men in real life

Oh good, then the writers will surely admit that the idea of women being as physically capable as men only exists in fiction, right? It's not like they're ideologues or anything.

I need you to go look up John Money.

I'm aware of him. i think his experiments were fucked, but he was right about Gender.

Danica Patrick wasn't an absolute god tier driver but I've heard arguments made that she had an unfair advantage because she was 99 pounds, and that actually matters when every car is a precision tuned 3,300 pound 510 horsepower machine (they're also supposed to be exactly 510 horsepower which surprised me since hobbyist cars can go way higher)

Who the fuck buys this woke slop?

That's a biological male tranny though

I can think of a post apocalyptic game where they acknowledge rape and orphans.

This, I don't agree with everything he did, but he made some good points.

Are the writers pretending this is realistic? You aren't trying to make a false comparison, are you anon?

Cringe as fuck stronk female protagonist

Are an eight foot tall 2,000 year old half-demon witch and genetically engineered alien cyborg really the best examples you can come up with

because women weren't property in stone age tribes
if you spend your time raping your women guess what happens? they become incapable of raising their children
can you afford to set up your tribal society in such a way that not only are women not contributing in any way, but need to be constantly guarded to avoid them killing themselves and/or their children?

think about this for longer than a second you tard

He was criticizing the whole genre. One would assume mad max was included.
I like the movies, but it would be nice to see a more grounded take on the genre.

People give Isekai shit for this, but yeah, slavery and rape would be rampant,

do people really? I think Isekais are boring as fuck, the way they unabashedly portray an actual medieval society like that often is the sole interesting part of it

His pedophile experiment was a failure. The boy he abused killed himself. There are no "good points".

The world would be better off if you killed yourself, your family, and all your friends
in minecraft.

I HATE WOMEN

Technically he cheated. He pulled his hand toward him right at the start, so the woman was forced to extend.

Keep going, anon. Maybe it'll work.

>the 35 year old man who's weaker than 80 year old women

He could be disabled or horribly malnutritioned

Fucking hate this shit. Just stop putting femoids in games. There's no way a dumb girl could beat Dark Souls irl.

Keep going, anon. Maybe it'll work.

Dead career general?

retard is still going thinking the problem with ellie in TLOU2 is the fact she's a girl

kek

You expect me to believe that PEACH can jump bing bing wahoo just as good as Mario?

This isn't the stone age you fucking idiot..it's a dying world filled with people who have lost everything.
I'm talking about actually post apocalyptic shit like Mad Max and The Road.
There is no hope or future.

Remember that scene from the movie Book of Eli where the woman was raped by the biker gang? That's what the post-apocalypse would be like. I saw that scene as a child and it shook me. The only way you're surviving like that as a woman is if men have your back and you're exceptionally athletic.

It's 'a' problem, yes.

lol they're wearing protection as well vs some fat couch potato, this is embarrassing

This anon is officially mindbroken.

If this game was realistic she would have shit her pants and died in the first 5 minutes, unlike every man who would have simply ripped the alien's head off and used it as a fleshlight.

What, you didn't like the video game and TV show, goyim?

Fuck you, you don't know shit.

Just wait until the move comes out instead and THAT will absolutely blow your brains out.

Post another one if you're trans and have a microdick.

zombie game

realistic

Are you retarded by any chance?

Semantics.

i.e., the best.

absolutely, 100% wrong. military takes ANYONE who isn't a crippled retard. and if you ever did service, you would know that. it actually pains me to raid post by utter retards like you, with your overconfidence in things you have no idea about. the military is at absolute liberty to take anyone. a group of survivors is the complete opposite, they cannot take risks and let women do the jobs of men.
your logic is absolutely skewed by propaganda.

we will make this place our home

should we broom around or renovate a little?

nah it's perfect

Druckmann is apparently, since he claims that Abby is realistic.

Also notice how the argument shifted from "strong women are realistic" to "it doesn't matter that strong women aren't realistic". So I'm glad you conceded the point.

To be fair, that's realistic for slums, first world or third world slums are all like that.

Leftists really have lost the argument, huh? There won't be another Democrat in the white house for 100 years after this past decade of their absurdity.

should we broom around

Okay show us what your favella looks like.

I think anyone that thinks men and women are equals needs to watch this video.
youtube.com/watch?v=FkunYtkiiNA
Spoiler alert: the average men not only demonstrate being stronger, but also smarter and humbler.

Except the entire point of the Mad Max series is that THERE IS HOPE you absolute and complete utter idiot

What the fuck is this trannyera tier coping itt, as if we need to even argue if women are as physically capable as men, its fucking obvious, how many more examples do we need? A lot have already been posted. Someone sould also post the reddit posts about girls wrestling their boyfriends and being surprised they could easily crush them.
It's this modern superhero slop propaganda coming out of Hollywood is making retards delusional thinking some chick can hand to hand take 8 dudes.

Why do political brainrot retards talk about realism in videogames so much? The first game had a middle aged Gary Stu killings hundreds of men and zombies in combat. 99% of videogames are not realistic. If your fatass got thrown into a Last of Us-esque scenario, you'd get eaten or infected by the first zombie that saw you.

I never said strong women are realistic, that's some other anon. The point I'm trying to make is that they're fictional characters so it doesn't bother me if a woman is unusually strong in a piece of media. Nobody ever complains that men in games (yes even "gritty hyperrealistic" ones) have unrealistic endurance and pain tolerance so why the double standard for women?

Nobody ever complains that men in games (yes even "gritty hyperrealistic" ones) have unrealistic endurance and pain tolerance

No they don't! Any man(especially me!) would be able to easily tolerate the pain my hero John Wick goes through!

Anon why are you watching this slop?

Because the ideologues who write it claim it is realistic.

why the double standard

"Double standard" implies that two options are equal. Women having unrealistic endurance and strength is easier to notice because it looks ridiculous. This is fine if you're making a purposefully ridiculous game, but not if you consider yourself an auteur telling mature stories like Druckmann does.

well it has X so of course nothing about the story or setting should be realistic!!

so why not have the main character farting fire balls at the zombies

w-w-well that's not real-ACK!!!

Heh! Well spoken, fellow gentlesir!

Because the ideologues who write it claim it is realistic

Why do you give a shit?

don't play games with ugly women

don't see any of this jewish nonsense

God it feels good to be white.

appeal to triviality

Concession heartily accepted.

Nice larp erotica anon you should write fan fics

Nice strawman

No, stop being autistic.
Just follow Christ man is this your social interaction?

Debunk it then, redditor

Everyone loved Ellie in TLOU1 when she was shooting raiders with a bolt-action rifle, jumping on grown men's backs to shank them and going full rambo when she was 13 years old against cannibals, though.
Because the scenes themselves were grounded, she wasn't a little girl overpowering grown men because she's magically strong, she got the jump on them and stabbed them in the throat, often got manhandled, got her shit kicked in.

men are allowed to be unrealistically competent in a videogame because it makes me feel strong

women are not allowed to be unrealistically competent in a videogame because it hurts my feelings

>men are allowed to be unrealistically competent

name some examples

Thirdie thread

orange tard has within 100 days killed the conservative party in 2 of it's closest allies and has the lowest approval rating in history
unless he stops killing the economy the democrats will have congress and the senate for the next 50 years, you know, like they did after the great depression

Uncharted

the main character gets beaten by a skinny woman so that's not a very good argument

Counterpoint: Tomb Raider and everyone loves Lara.

Your race and sex doesn't go out the window, but everyone contributes in what meaningful ways they can, and you are better off in a group because different people have different skills, dispositions, and natural aptitudes. Women are suitable for foraging, trapping, small game, home defense, processing+curing carcasses, and more. Underutilizing your human resources isn't based and redpilled, you're just a retard.
But you're right that talk of bigotry is out of place because no one's going to have the time to even think about starting arguments over it: it's going to be about supplies instead, and the ingroup bias will show itself there. It's better to be racially homogeneous so that these conflicts and tensions escalate as little as possible.

You are NOT thinking about "persevering the human race

sure but you should be thinking about who will cover your ass when you'll become old

why is it that little faggots like you you always assume that every single story that isn't about chad fucking stacy must be made up? is it because you lie a lot and thus trust nothing, or is it because you cannot comprehend friends getting physical?

Only certain games seem to attract mouth droolers who spend their whole day on Anon Babble. I think TLOU2 is a shit game, but 'le realism of women in combat' is the dumbest argument you could make against it

It's better to be racially homogeneous so that these conflicts and tensions escalate as little as possible.

conflicts and tensions are what makes groups homogeneous in the first place. those conflicts immediately weed out undesirables.

why do american women put 0 effort into their appearance? if that was an asian woman she'd have her hair done, makeup, etc.

Everytime i leave my house in america all i see are frumpy, fat women with their thin hair pulled back into an unwashed ponytail like this, some ill-fitting tshirt and baggy pants... so gross.

Thank god i was born gay, if i had to be with an American woman, i think i'd just turn into an incel.

0 effort in their looks, and they all have awful, bitchy, condescending personalitys. or they
re fake-nice until you make them jealous, then their true colors come out. i've lost every female friend i've had over some petty shit, literally my best friend stopped talking to me because her boyfriend called me "Cute for a guy" - stated at my feet and asked her to dress like an E-Girl. and she thought i dressed like an E-boy and was influencing him or something. that's not even the only casre this has happened to me irl..wtf is wrong with women.

It's an interesting concept to me. Women are so sheltered from reality these days that it's so rare to see men and women compete against each other in real life on physical or intelectual merits. We only see that in fiction, and there we're always shown that they're equal or even better than men and they can pull some martial arts shit to defeat a man twice their weight and strenght.

Part of that is probably because Neil is just as brainrotted as the average pol lard, but on the other spectrum, and that obviously leaked into the game.

The harsher reality is that you, anon, and just about everyone else on this board, would also be a slave for the local warlord. Low population subsistence communities are composed of generalists, people who have to do a little bit of everything, bound together by what anthropologists call a Big Man. We'll be tending crops and being conscripted for frontline duty with meager weapons in a ritual act of fealty to our warlord that'll resemble primitive religion. We'll be tied to the land and be at the mercy of what the small warrior elite demand.

You're not going to be the independent road warrior gigachad. You'll be just another sort of wage slave, toiling with your hands, extracting some small sort of authority by believing you have a better lot than the women enslaved just like you. A serf, a peasant, a commoner. Better hope the warlord doesn't have a taste for bussy.

What else do you watch?

What does this have to do with women?

Everytime i leave my house in america all i see are frumpy, fat women with their thin hair pulled back into an unwashed ponytail like this, some ill-fitting tshirt and baggy pants... so gross

all americans are like this not just the women

Based Brucey could shut down Neil's worst ideas in the first one. Neil wanted a lame revenge story there too, I think Tess was supposed to betray Joel or something

Who do you think you are fooling? Also your seething just makes it more obvious sorry faggot

The leader of the main terrorist faction was a black woman. Tess was a tough broad who could take down several men in a gun fight

In every fantasy game you should be splattered the moment a dragon hits you, it shouldn't even matter if you have armor or not you just die regardless if its a man or woman character.

TLOU1

90% of people you encounter are men

pretty sure there's a passing line how it is not safe for girls/women out there

tess was an outlier

TLOU2

LGBT diverse groups everywhere

Very jarring.

you are only proving further that you never got physical with a girl in any capacity

women in the west stopped making effort after men in the west stopped making effort
men used to actually dress up, pay attention to their looks
meanwhile these days most men under 40 don't even have a single fitting suit and barely know how to put on a tie

NTA, your logic boils down to:

a demographic that performs badly in combat, in a world in which it can be propped up by state-of-the-art training and equipment, suddenly performs as good if not better, in a world in which it does not have access to state-of-the-art support systems

Sorry anon literally no one will ever believe you stay seething.

Props to him for not even using his blade leg. Men are getting the job done while the women squabble and make faces. Men's camaraderie is also their curse—they're easily brainwashed by old men, then blown to kingdom come by a drone strike.

I can do 60kg with no training.

You're brown.

So?

Ya. We know.
You're literally preaching to the choir.

btw guys, did you know that a Chinese developer created most of the characters in Tlou? enjoy your fake america game lmaoooooo

You don't understand what you are talking about. Currently, Russia is fighting against entire NATO with all they can offer, literally a third of Russia would roll over entire EU more easily than over Ukraine, and the ukraine is already losing more than ten times more soldiers. EU is a paper tiger who stuck in the past, they have no army.

they're still written by children for children

The purpose of the scene you're referencing isn't to talk about identity politics or bigotry, it's to show early that Ellie doesn't easily forgive

Modern ideology is a product of the decadence of our advanced civilization. It has no real benefits in a survival scenario, and when it appears in one, it just shows that the writer is unwilling to let go of their own ideology, even in service of a dark and realistic setting for adults.

Again, those topics take backstage as they're used as sources of conflict for various groups in the game. The main conflict in the game doesn't even feature any of it

YES SAAR DO REDEEM THE NEEDFUL BITCH WEKTOID NO CHANCE OF FUCKIN ASS OF RUSSIA

fuck these pesky whites i will root for ukranian shitskins, yeah, BROWN POWER BROTHA

Kek, why are all delusional browns like this.

FUCK YEA ANOTHER UNHINGED POLITICAL RAGEBAIT THREAD!

Too long, didn't read. Holy shit stop the yap and summarize this shit in like 3 sentences yapper

Incels like him think that if they just defend women enough online they will finally get laid. The funniest thing about posts like that are that they always reveal the guy posting them has never touched a woman, or even interacted with one.

You're just as much a beneficiary of modern ideology as the foids are.

wrong, even now, women can only succeed if society carves out enough protection for them to be guaranteed work and despite that they still cry about not being catered to.

The tests they took for built especially for men

How exactly are "endurance tests built especially for men"? Why can't you just admit that you live in a false reality created by Hollywood and leftist grifters?

What you need to realise is that having imperfect aid is still better than no aid

Except women are not aid, they are a liability.

Post tap water.

bro you live 24/7 in your moms basement get the fuck outta here with your takes

bigot sandwiches

is that real?

What bothers me is bringing up bigots when talking about a literal non-issue in the post-apocalypse, but not showing another group/tribe/village that are actually full blown bigots (doing things that have been brought up in the thread, like female slavery and such).
You can implement your ideology into fiction as long as you do it in a way that is interesting.

I STOOD UP AND I CLAPPED

haha

I concede, women run businesses are notorious for being well run profit machines.

Name a company that has become more efficient by bringing in women.

amd

40 year old woman who's actually stronger than a small majority of men

Thats my mom. She is freakishly strong for a women. We had a natural disaster when i was in my mid 20's and my mom was putting a lot of my friends to shame, moving rubble and debris.

Danica has won exactly ZERO races out of 191 starts in Nascar, and has had exactly ONE win at the Indy 300 in 2008, and has never won while racing in the Indy 500.
This is THE BEST FEMALE RACING CAR DRIVER IN ALL OF HISTORY, and she has won exactly one fucking race in her entire professional career.

Yeah, no shit her light-weight was a fucking advantage, they had to give her every advantage to even stay on the field.

It's Russians who make these posts Right?

Russians are too busy driving their ladas into minefields, the posts come from the indian subcontinent.

everybody else has a modern ideology, but I don't, I see the world how it truly is (based on vibes and incel memes)

op is a faggot

TLOU wasn't that bad storywise because the source material was basically The Road.
TLOU dlc and TLOU 2 source material is Neil Drukmann on a woke trip hence storywise is dumb and hilarious.

teenagers running around killing gangs of grown ass men

pregnat women in the battle front

female roided beast eating tacos

trans kids in a post-apocalyptyc society

something, something revenge bad mkay?

A woman can put a bullet in your chud head. God made them weaker but Samuel Colt made us equal etc etc

My sister genuinely asked me if she was supposed to use the rear sights when I taught her how to shoot.
She thought you just put the front sight on where you were aiming.

I believe that anon, cope.

Basedjak party rangebanned India, Anon Babble should do the same

Women acting as scavengers or soldiers is almost always absurd

I fucking hate you people. No, if the population of your species gets low enough, you're going to want anyone capable of holding a gun to be with you.

You seem like a mentally unwell genetic deadend. It's seriously time to log off and talk to the opposite sex bro. The vatniks on pol buckbroke your brain.

Chuds and grifters would be the first to go in an apocalypse since they provide nothing of value, unlike women.

What you need to realise is that having imperfect aid is still better than no aid.

but thats completely wrong? Once the US army started demanding physically and cognitively standards, productivity went up while casualties went down, this is a fact.

Every so often I'm reminded this site is populated by a lot of unironic incels

How . . . how do you intend to increase the population?
15 men and 5 women can make a village, in 20 years they'll have 20 to 30 children, then they intermix with a friendly tribe, or they get conquered and their women and children are integrated into the hostile tribe.
Even thinking there would be battles, raids and all this gay scavving shit is retarded; we invented agriculture for a fucking reason, and that's exactly what we'll do if SHTF, and if there are battles, they would be massacres, not fair fights.

Women wouldn't be scavengers

Are you retarded? The base form of humans is HUNTER-GATHERER CULTURES.
MEN ARE HUNTERS
WOMEN ARE GATHERERS
Of course women would scavenge. They'd probably stay close to camp and would be doing less dangerous things like trying to get wild roots, mushrooms, berries, and other plants while men would be hunting or going into dangerous areas in groups.

That's foraging, anon.
Scavving is taking a blow torch to a car frame, it's entering abandoned buildings to look for supplies, it's being the first one to test a drinking water supply.
Black lung, sepsis and welder's flash are surprisingly unproductive to child rearing.

Yeah dude, lets look at every civilization that put women on the front lines
lets also look at pre history and all the tales and depictions of women wngaging in tribal warfare
lets also look at nature where women violently compete with each other for exclusive rights to mate with certain males
then after all that we can look at modern day african tribes where the women go out to hunt we have so many examples bro #grrrrlpower

"Women belong inside" is modern ideology that has nothing to do with how primitive tribes work

Gathering and foraging are synonyms and you're being pedantic. In a post apocalypse there is 0 room for anyone aside from a newborn who sits on their ass and does nothing. If you have a colony you don't need 20 women sitting there cooking or feeding babies. That is work that can be done by a handful of them. The rest will need to go out and actually be productive. Even kids who are 6-7 would be having to do work around the colony and kids as young as 12-14 would probably be gathering with their mothers and then 15-16+ you're out with your father (possibly younger if you're just hunting in a relatively safe area).

I dunno anon. I wouldn't rape a woman in the post apocalypse. I feel like most people wouldn't. I mean yeah the number of rapes would go up because anyone who would rape but fears legal repercussion would not care anymore but most humans don't want to rape people.

These were not apocalyptic times where the max population of a group could be stuffed into the back of a semi truck and is constantly under the threat of predation, infection, or starvation.

They belong inside the commune, retard.
Who do you think planted all the herbs and berries ancient women foraged for? It was us, we did it.
We as a species adapted our habitats to suit us, we did not adapt to suit it. This is why we are such perfect predators, because we strike beyond simple evolutionary pressures to control the pressures themselves.
Once you remove the control over our environment, what do you think takes over? Hopes, dreams, positive affirmations and gender equality?
lol
lmao, even

If there is a community of 20 women, there is a group of a hundred men protecting them.

the idea that modern ideology would in any way survive even a generation

Generation?

Brah, there're theories that humanity would return to a primitive state after a couple of missed meals.

Women acting as scavengers or soldiers is almost always absurd.

Why's that? Anyone can use a gun. I don't see what's so "absurd" about that. I think your entire rant is just an attempt to justify your actual incel views by pretending they're "factual" and "realistic", which is frankly pathetic.

Thanks, now I hate the phrase even more.

You ever watch much war footage?
Commenting from a world's away, in the safety of your home, about the bravery of fictional people.

Define undesirables, because almost any human being can fall prey to mass hysteria or petty bickering escalating to feuds, and the amount of "culling" that can result is excessive, not a part of nature. Human intelligence strenthens the positive but takes everything negative beyond what its natural outcome would have been. Humans may be animals but the standards of animals still won't apply for humans.

This isn't a war. It's survival. Humans are built to survive by any means necessary, and women are human. If the alternative is starving to death or being ripped to shreds by infected zombies, they will be as violent as they need to be and scavenge as much as they need to do to survive.

Didn’t you say earlier that a group of mixed men and women scavengers would perform better than a group of all male scavengers? .

Then you want to keep bringing up guns. Rifles are 7-11 pounds on average. Pistol supplies gear. You’re lugging around 30-40 pounds maybe more For however long the scavenge is. Women are weaker will carry less supplies and ammunition and don’t have men’s endurance and strength. You’re back tracking. A full group of men not only would do immensely better but would also destroy a full group of women guns or not.

I don’t think you are understanding.

Good decision making

If she had this she wouldn’t want to put herself in a disadvantageous position that drags men down.

Are they able bodied

This is irrelevant because an able bodied woman is inferior to any able bodied man.

Can they handle a gun

Ammunition is limited and there are far more factors here than simply pointing and pulling the trigger. Why give a valuable resource to a woman when a man would be better?

Let’s put this another way. Should we give an able-bodied 15 year old with ‘good decision making’ skills a gun, ammo and tell him to go on the frontline? After all a fit 15 year old boy is about on par with a fit 25 year old woman so why not? That’s the equivalent of what you are saying. It’s delusional and nonsensical.

I’ll just state the truth here. In an apocalyptic scenario a woman, even a fit woman, is always going to be most useful pregnant and raising kids. It is LITERALLY something ONLY a woman can do. And it is the most fundamental and important aspect for long term survival as a species. So even if a woman from your fantasies appeared, a total outlier, why the fuck would we throw away her genes by putting her in the line of fire? When a slightly inferior man can do a similar level of work and his death doesn’t mean losing a potential pregnancy?

Regardless of the angle we look at this it’s impossible to justify this outside of an absolute worst case scenario or some delusional comic book superwoman fantasy.

I don't think you understand, at a fundamental level, what war is.
War is mass starvation, it's tens of thousands of people queuing up to the breadlines, it's millions of displaced humans. And that's on the small scale.
You are so sheltered even your conception of horror is inadequate.

do you really think that when faced with starvation women wouldn't be able to carry essential supplies for some reason? You don't seem to understand the gravity of situation or how human comfort goes to the wayside in situations like that presented in the last of us.

Are we still talking about post apocalyptic groups or modern warfare? These are two different topics.

They would carry supplies.
Less supplies.

They really aren't. They are the exact same fucking thing.
Look up tribal politics in Afghanistan.
Look up the great famines in China.
Look up the Holodomor.
Tell me what happened.

They put a lot of effort into ruining their appearance actually, they spend thousands of dollars a year on tattoos and hair dye and piercings to make themselves look as disgusting as possible because they saw it on tiktok or it's fighting the patriarchy or something

And when it's every hand on deck, such as in a post apocalyptic scavenging band, every little bit matters.

looking for a post apocalyptic scenario

ask anon whether or not it's a post apocalypse, state-manufactured scenario, or war

doesn't understand

explain differences, showing chart of different scenarios

he laughs, says it's a good post apocalypse

look inside

wars and manufactured crisises

incel incel incel incel

Mindbroken, holy shit. Sorry women are weaker than men. Denying that fact hasn't and won't get you laid.

You look like this, btw.

Ceasar's Legion in Fallout New Vegas is probably one of the most apt depictions of a post apocalyptic scenario there is.

hurrdurr a bunch of chuds larping in football equipment

Yeah, and they'd still manage to enslave all women and children and mow down all opposition. In a post apocalyptic world, nobody would give a shit about blogger's feelings.

Oh, you're retarded, I get it now.

American womanchild puts on her Disney adult princess dress and styles her hair

the 37-year-old American manchild she's with is wearing pajama pants with holes, snarky reddit t-shirt with old grease stain, and skate shoes/flip flops

they're going to their 8 year anniversary dinner

You have to look to how American women dress for their female friends to know their actual style fagbro, because she's going to match her husband/bf's level of homelessness

1 man vs 1000 women, who would win?
The women you colossal retard.

What is the difference, besides pedantism?
Do women fight on the frontline in Ukraine (in numbers), or do they go on Onlyfans and sell their bodies?
Your entire argument is basically "(some) women would contribute". That doesn't matter, what matters is statistical distribution models over entire populations.
What do people do, IN REAL LIFE, is what I asked you. We know this. We have known this. We study this. All you have to do is take the leap and admit to yourself you might be wrong, and look at the reality of the situation earnestly.

wait he had no training? i thought he did some practice or had some fighting experience in the ring before?

To be fair, being heavier than your opponent is a crazy advantage, even if its fat, so long as he doesnt get gassed, they can't injure him with body blows at all, and he can shrug off most grappling techniques.

It was an unfair fight for the women, they had no chance.

you're retarded, the solution is to just beat or rape the women to keep them in line if they act uppity. Leftism is a mental illness, and illnesses can be cured, with beatings.

Games just need to grow up in general a lot of the market is 30+ and most things are still after school special tier.

There's no better word to describe someone who says stuff like that. The fact that you got actually offended by it proves that I'm right. You ARE an incel.

women are weaker than men

Not when they have a fucking gun.

Ok what if the man has a gun too

Lying retard.

sounds like a coomer-book, no a post-apoc book.

you're right tranny, but not in the way you think you are. Gender is a social construct, in the sense that it doesnt exist at all, and its purely a concept we use to translate the world around us in a simplified manner. You don't have a gender, neither do i, you have a biological sex assigned at conception, that is all. Anything else is larping/mental illness.

NTA, russia IS fighting the eu right now, im amazed, and disappointed, he hasn't nuked brussles in response yet to their constant attempts to undermine russia's nuclear sovereignty and MAD-capabilities.

HEY! That's cheating!

Everyone seethes about the Legion while ignoring everything below the surface.

the last of us, uncharted, gta, nu-god of war and so on, are all made for retards and children. there's about those games worth talking about

Women in front-line combat roles face severe reproductive issues.
ivfminnesota.com/military-women/
Key quote

The results of a survey show that, shockingly, nearly 40 percent of active-duty women report fertility problems.

This is a significantly higher rate than expected for any demographic, considering that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Survey of Family Growth shows that 1 in 8 couples have trouble conceiving (approximately 13 percent).

The harsher reality is that you, anon, and just about everyone else on this board, would also be a slave for the local warlord. Low population subsistence communities are composed of generalists, people who have to do a little bit of everything, bound together by what anthropologists call a Big Man. We'll be tending crops and being conscripted for frontline duty with meager weapons in a ritual act of fealty to our warlord that'll resemble primitive religion. We'll be tied to the land and be at the mercy of what the small warrior elite demand.

You say this like it's a bad thing. I rather die for my chieftan God then kill myself over 40 years for the God of Economy. Either that or I'll try to usurp him, fail and kill myself.