2 selfish bastards fighting over nothing because nothing matters

They may be sentient but they're not free to do whatever they want. Ask painted Verso 2.0
Destroying the canvas is the correct choice.

What does kid soul even mean?

The remnants of kid Verso's soul that are in the canvas, retard.

Sounds like current events.

There is noevidence anyone including the painters are sentient or that the "real" world isn't just another canvas.

forced at the last minute

Too stupid to play an FRPG.
Holy shit.

it's a kids soul because it's a kids soul

Your just repeating yourself.

Where the fuck did you get that, retard?
This isn't inception.

UHHHH WELL EVEN IF OUTSIDE THE CANVAS THEY'RE REAL IT'S STILL A GAME SO THEY'RE NOT REAL

Might as well kill yourself, nothing matter am I right?

It's literally matrix but with AI people

It's Kid Verso's remnants because Verso painted the canvas when he was a kid, the family is inside it because he just died and can't let go. Are you stupid?

american brain

Not free to do whatever they want

Neither are you.

Who's an edgy boy?
You are!
You are!

maelle: let me put things together inside the canvas and i promise you ill leave after that if you promise me to not destroy it
renoir: hmmm thats some fine, ok

all good

They're real but by that point only 3 humans are still alive and everyone else are more or less just NPCs or okay with non-existance. Plus Maelle can just repaint them all in her own canvas if she wants.

no stakes?
maelle stay inside, the family breaks apart, she die, then renoir destroy the canvas.
no family and no canvas world

Soul=remnants=soul=remnants
Your just talking in circles

Does the brain grow around the apple or was it inserted into the brain by force? You'll have to give more detail.

The mom spent 67 years stuck there, his daughter spent 16. The mom should have been too weak to come back for a while and she STILL came back for the final boss.
Renoir gets proven right every step of the way.

No family

Good

You're retarded Anon
I can't help you

She did say that.

That's why Verso was willing to help and it's why Renoir reluctantly left. The thing is that Verso realized in the end she was lying and would never leave, that she would die in there playing pretend family with her pretend brother and pretend version of Gustavo. In the end he was as real as the real Verso and choose to save her at the cost of himself and everyone else. It's tragic and it's horrible but it's fitting and it's probably the best thing for her in the end.

The family breaks apart

Who cares?
they abandoned her

So this masterpiece story is about people in a fake world who don't know what's going on, then the twist is they find out that everything is fake and they are different people than they thought?
People really need to read fiction, game writers can't keep getting away with this.

It's an isekai. They're all real people in the canvas because painter magic™ I don't have to explain shit.

Star Ocean 3 did something similar over 20 years ago and people still complain about it

not really

so are we gonna have another game called the comission 66 and is about writting allegories, and the power to create worlds in books, and is about a family that lost her son in an incursion to burn a house of an oposite faction?

I wouldn't even say that. The fake world people have little time to acknowledge their existence is meaningless and it's really just about the real world people. It's a really terrible story but unfortunately retards eat this garbage up. It gets even worse when you throw in the unexplained writers. It's almost tongue in cheek with its stupidity.

Not even close, retard.

"He saved her"
Except he didn't
She's a god that can create an exact copy of the canvas.
This is just a minor inconvenience for her.

So3 they actually break out of their world and confront them. The epilogue of the game is the characters you spent all of that time with coming to terms that that their existence has meaning. It's much better than this garbage.

His soul appears in like every second location since game begins
You should check yourself for adhd you retarded zoomie

He's not against her creating her own version, he even encouraged her to do so. He's against her dying to do it by clinging onto him. It'll be different if it's a version she made.

That still doesn't explain what it is and why it's important.

These are not his soul. Otherwise Clea, Aline and Renoir's souls would also be in there cuz you meet shadows of them too. They're mostly likely more akin to manifestations of a painter's chromas.

this entire thread

yes, americanoids are awake

He uses painter magic to make canvas
That magic takes away part of his soul and forces it to wagekek in canvas until its destroyed
How it works and whatsoever isn't told in game in any way

aline never painted clea

lmao

"Her own version"
How does even know it's not her own version already.

Otherwise Clea, Aline and Renoir's souls would also be in there

They are there in smaller amounts i presume
They all visited it and canvas can kill

Because you literally see her enter Verso's canvas you fucking retard mouthbreathing cockmongling asslicking semenslurping uncultured swine.

if you learned English then replayed the game you might have a better chance of understanding the most basic parts of the story

But how does HE KNOW RETARD?

BECAUSE THE REMNANTS OF HIS KID SELF ARE THERE AND HE
MADE
THE
FUCKING
CANVAS
LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE KNOWS THAT MONOCO IS A MONKEY OR THAT ESQUIE IS HIS BEST FRIEND, FOR THE FAMILY MONOCO IS A FUCKING DOG NAME
YOU FUCKING RETARD HE HAS LIVED FOR 67 YEARS AT LEAST WATCHING THE REAL PEOPLE IN HIS FAMILY SWOOP IN AN MESS WITH HIS FANFICTION

UHHHHH BUT SOMEONE COULD HAVE MADE A CANVAS WITH THE EXACT SAME SETTING AND MEMORIES THAT ONLY HE KNOWS

HOW, RETARD?
FUCKING
H
O
W

KILL YOURSELF

How do you not know you're not adopted?

Are you retarded? Painted Verso is Aline's creation. He has no canvas cheat codes, even the "memories" he has of being Verso are filtered through Aline's view of her son (see Renoir being a bigger asshole in the painting because that's how she sees him).

HIS MEMORIES ARENT EVEN REAL.
THEY
ARE
IMPLANTED
MEALLE COULD BE TESTING HIM FOR ALL HE KNOWS.

Verso is the opposite of selfish. He wants his sister to live

He is an hypocrite and a liar, did you miss the entire visages area?

How do you know you aren't a test-tube baby and that the people you think are your parents aren't just federally assigned guardians looking after the deep state's investment?

Why doesn't he want someone else's sister to live more? Sounds selfish to me.

She was lying
Alicia is addicted to the canvas like her mother was. She will stay there til her death.

Yea he's a liar but he cares about his family and wants them to just move on from him

Heh, they really shat the bed by trying to be clever. Could have kept it as a simple saving the world story and swept the awards up.

I don't claim to know more than god
I guess that makes me smarter than verso

That would make it boring and people wouldnt discuss it at all.

She needed Verso's help just to wield her paintress powers to ungommage Sciel & Lune. At most she could summon a ghost army albeit for a limited period, by her own admission, yet here you are tying to claim she pulled some genjutusu shit on the sly at the last minute? She's a runt compared to her mother & sister Cleo.

her own admission

She could be doing this thing women love to do called LYING

kino

you could be just fucking RETARDED

Comparing Aline and Maelle's situations is completely disingenuous. Aline is pure escapism. Maelle on the other hand lived two separate lives in two separate worlds and decided that she preferred the one she had in the canvas than the one she had in the "real" world. Probably doesn't help that her canvas family treats her better than her IRL family (Other than Renoir the rest are cunts) and since she got her memories back after 16 years as Maelle they probably feel much more distant and LESS real than her Maelle memories.

To Maelle going back home is almost akin to leaving her "real" world to jump in a canvas where her life is just worse.

but they're not free to do whatever they want.

Expeditioners did such a wild and insane variety of shit over the years they absolutely have a free will

Psst hey anon the devs just cleverly took the saying "pour your soul into it" and made it literal, so Verso poured his tangible soul into his canvas
It's kino

netflix original for elden ring fans

Is Julie the girl Verso murders in Maelle's nightmare? Why did he do it.

Sorry you had to find out this way

Aline let them.

This isn't a chad face he's making there, it's horror. Also Maelle may be able to live out a life herself, but her mother is in there with her, and she's definitely cooked. Kind of a plot hole that the crippled chick doesn't consider this.

Lune SEETHING at Verso's ending was priceless lol

Yeah, she did, anon... Clea found her painted self and trapped her in the tower to paint the white nevrons. Aline even painted a boyfriend for painted Clea, and Clea trapped him underneath the monolith. In dialogue, you can assume that Clea and Simon were "repainted" to be Sophie and Gustave since Simon says, In another life we will be together again, and Sophie has Clea's face.

Clea fighting writers dlc when

She's a plant by Clea to make the expeditioners try and kill the Paintress rather than do the sensible thing. There is a journal. I REALLY don't want for them to make the expedition zero dlc, we already know what happened.

It's even worse if you romanced her.

Devora Wilde voices best girl in another game

How does she do it?

That's for a sequel, hopefully. Clair Obscur should be the name of the franchise and Expedition 33 is the name of this particular story.

What? You can't romance her? only Sciel.

Anon...?

That's what Renoir convinced Verso of, at least. It's unknown if she really was, or just a regular Expeditioner that asked one too many questions when she realized Verso and Renoir were immortal

It is portrayed as casual seks and you know it. Fucking sloots, I'm telling ya.

OH NO NO NO HE DOESN'T KNOW

I wouldn't know I played it in french.

Don't fuck Sciel and Lune will fuck you at max relationship. Dummy.

If you don't go for Sciel you can go for Lune in Act 3

True, we don't know. I'd rather they make new shit and not this dlc though. They fucking might.

Sciel is fine with fucking Verso until Maelle reveals she can repaint Sciel's husband.

what is this shitshow of a story and the constant arguing in this thread jesus

They'd have to come up with some excuse for the new party to level up anyways, because the only reason Expedition 33 gets to do it is thanks to Gustave's Lumina Converter, all previous Expeditioners were Lv. 1 scrubs

Play the game and find out, dumbass.

Stop.

How do you name a painting method for a series that'll probably take place in a book next time around?

why is Clea so tall?

Three people fighting over dolls
That's it

I think it's function is to let them equip more skills than just the equipped pictos.

scrubs

Expedition 60

Because they're The Painters™ and the bad guys are The Writers™
Clair Obscur fits

why not?

Dolls are sentient and alive though. So both endings are a bummer.

That's one aspect of it, yes, (meaning previous Expeditions could only ever equip three Pictos at a time without sharing them between the team and no Luminas) but the other one is to steal nevrons' chroma to power up
youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?t=3786

Clea has a man face

why is she barefoot

It's her house.

no socks?

That's not edge, that's how reality works.

Devs are into feets. Very based.

Good boy!
Gooood booooooy

expecting a game with 33 in the title to be anything good

Alicia wears shoes indoors that's kinda weird

With the polished floors of the manor she's better with more grip

You're weird. Weird and desperate sounding.

That's right you're too cool for us, go brood over there and think about the heat death or the universe or some shit.

Why Clea comes across as emotionless and assholeish?

She can't rely on anyone in her fucking family

She's a dick. Also blatantly bullying her sister in the flashback.

She doesn't see paintings as real beings, Verso did.
From her perspective her entire family is in a fanfiction war, not to mention the writers that burned the house, crippled her sister and killed her brother are still out there.

forget about the paintings. I mean she just seems very assholish in general to her burn victim sister.

I want to FUCK Clea
I want to BREED Clea
I want to make Clea HAPPY

There's nothing cool or uncool about a fundamental fact of the way the universe functions, man. You are weirdly personal about this. Does hearing water is wet make you this angry, too?

Why is Western media so afraid to just allow fantasy to exist decoupled from reality? Ignore politics for a moment. This is worse than rampant nihilism, it shows that the West fundamentally misunderstands what escapism even is.

fuck you bitch brother shouldn't have sacrificed himself to save you

i have a theory about people who think so negatively about clea and it's that they are not the oldest sibling. I feel like as the oldest sibling I understand her completely. She understands her parents and the entire situation pisses her off because she should also be grieving for Verso but she's the only thing partially keeping her family going as is her "responsibility" as the oldest. She makes Verso look after Maelle, she tells Maelle that she should live as she wants in the Endless Tower. She obviously cares about Alicia and everyone else but fuck them too honestly. I dunno I might be putting my own trauma's with family into her.

It was written by the fr*nch. It had no chance of being good

Post the scene where the party meets up with Sciel and Gustav is about to tell his sad story and the sad music starts playing but then it gets immediately cut off as Lune is like "nope".

Escapism is an enemy of totalitarians, anon. If you're playing around with fiction, you're not playing their game IRL, simple as. Game doesn't discourage escapism, really, only the excessive kind.

You're a fucking immobile turtle François! You can't do shit.

lol you just summarized up last 25years of artsy films

anon attacks you at light speed

never mind I got it myself. I found it very funny youtu.be/UML22D2xnm4?t=151

Clea does mention Alicia was a fucking bitch that would spend time in her room instead of playing with Clea and Verso's paintings. So I imagine his favorite sibling sacrificing to save the dumbass smelly NEET sister is pissing her off.

youtu.be/8LbXTwxizBQ?t=308
Is this a reddit interaction? I found it amusing even if it was.

that's why film industry going bankrupt

The painting was going to die regardless, the difference was if she+the people she knew got to live a full real lifetime or not. Cause the moment she dies and is out of the painting, Renoir nukes that painting before Aline goes back. That is IF Alicia didn't let her back in willingly.

yes, they have fragments of their souls too in a lot of different areas
yes, chroma = soul power in this world
yes, you are a retarded illiterate faggot. read the text of the game ur playing

I think it's pretty laid out blatantly. We even have a perfect party of 5. Verso, Simon, Julie, Painted Renoir, Painted Clea

How is it being a bitch playing in your room by yourself not bothering anyone?

•`_´•

Every human in the painting has Chroma, so you're saying that Verso and co just deleted the souls of thousands.

Billions must die.

is that methhead Jesus or Asmongold?

Conjecture. He's liable to just kill himself, or destroy the painting in a rage, or neet himself to death in there, too. Who knows. He loses the reason to destroy the painting if Clea is his only surviving family. Oh, and mother would definitely die first, she's been there for 70 inside years already, so that complicates shit even more.

You'd don't understand anon the world only exits when painter is in them. Once they leave the world ends

yes, thats why the painters slowly die. they use their own chroma to give life to the world

Chroma is more like what shit is made out of, including perfectly sentient people. Like atoms IRL.

Comedic moments are so few and far between that when they do appear they nail 'em

soulslike aesthetic

nier aesthetic

no trannsyslop

was it really that difficult to not include trannies

Except Verso's soul will always be inside, and time moves very differently. Its apparently been centuries since Clea and Francois have seen each other

nobody has taken a note of (((The Composers™))) yet

yes the game does comedy very well

Kid Verso's bit of soul is tired of making the world move. Dude had to paint his older self cumming deep inside Sciel AND Lune crying about it.

We don't know how verso soul works or if it's infinite. He only created the gestrals.

Parents made "hundreds" of canvases too, having to leave bits of themselves behind every time. Slaving away.

Why didnt the parents stop being lazy art bums and get real jobs?

I have been fighting Simon, and I've survived his phase 2 opening attack a grand total of once.
I'm not mad though, the devs went like "let's just to all out and make the hardest uber boss in any jrpg ever".
Unfortunate that you can just cheese him. I won't do it though.

That's definitely my main gripe with the endgame though, it's way too broken. You shouldn't be able to hit for 100 million damage and skip what is essentially supposed to be the hardest challenges in the game. Some of the Endless Tower fights at the end there are also just asking you to one shot one of the chromatics asap. Overall I enjoyed the game more before the damage cap was removed, but I still commend the Devs for making one of the most extensive endgames I've personally played in a jrpg

We can't destroy the canvas it's the last piece of Verso left!!!

repeated tens of times throughout the game

wtf why is these a piece of Verso in the canvas????? Fucking random last minute addition!!!

Media literacy will always be too hard for you but at least try getting some normal literacy

Simon with a 9999 damage cap on, even if you crunch his health down, would be a really difficult boss. The lightspeed slashes always got me, but to your point its cause I passed turns so he could even do anything before nukes went off

Verso changes his mind at the very end even though everyone told him already his soul was in the painting
It is by definition last minute

Any other RPGs with suicidal protagonist?

You faggots keep whining about oneshotting bosses like it isn't the direct result of hours of amassing and mastering pictos and weapons.

You are retarded.
He learns Maelle will waste her life in the canvas so he forces her out.

big true. its literally the point of the battle system is to break it in half. its what the devs wanted. this is an rpg, not an action rpg, zoomies

did you miss the part where the game tells us in multiple ways, both direct and indirect, that Verso almost always lies?

NTA but this ending is weird in general. Renoir will not leave her unmolested for long, especially if the wife dies first. If he and Clea try to force her out, they can, she's a shitty Painter.

He says he just wants to die at the end
Writers added the " I someone know you will die for no reason" to make not retarded.
It didn't work

Obvious GOTY contender.
This game looks absolutely dogshit in screenshots, but is easily 11/10 in motion.

Verso could have sided with renoir but didn't
He wasn't lying

Speak english, retard.
They did say MULTIPLE TIMES that Aline was slowly dying from spending too much time in there. The same shit applies to Maelle, even more with her having little experience painting.

Its stuff you do naturally though, versus say grinding for Ultima on everyone in FF6 and just spamming Ultima through Kefka. Its just that without a damage cap, having like a dozen % damage shit all stack is something that obviously would get out of control.

your team has each individually ascended and have become Neo in the Matrix. you have literally broken your limiters. that dmg limit breaker Picto is pure ludonarrative. taking some turpentine to Simon is the only narratively correct way to end his suffering

Then don't stack it and get your fair fight.
I'm enjoying the plot painter powers being represented in gameplay by removing the damage cap. Give yourself a shitton of defence, land all parries perfectly and get your fucking fair fight.

She who controls the painting, controls the canvas. She is in control, and forcing her out isn't a question if both Clea and Renoir couldn't even get close to achieving that goal and settled for a long victory through attrition.

I really wonder how they're going to explore Painters and Writers and whatever the fuck profession if there's a sequel. I just don't see how the Writers even tricked Alicia in the first place. The only scenario I can think of is that she got PLEASE REDEEM SIR'd through a fake letter addressed to the Dessendre family thinking it was from a royal family member or something and got tricked into lighting candles or some shit.

he saw the mother going insane and didn't want that to happen to Alicia. Fake Verso died to save Alicia, the same way real Verso died. I don't know why this is complicated for you

Aline is old and frail and spent hundreds of years there 67 of which fighting her husband.
16 year old mealle would be just fine

Sure, I like it narratively and thematically, but it's a fact that the game's balance falls apart in act 3.

Aline is a 40 year old professional painter that has survived for longer in other canvases.
Maelle couldn't enter the fucking canvas without being Isekai'd

Your headcannon isn't real.
He was fine until he saw the child

team fortress 2

You're trying to make bad writing make sense. They are still liable to try even if you are right. Plus Renoir "attacked" a world controlled by his more skilled wife and did good. Alicia is crap.

Mealle will get better as she ages then. Experience doesn't mean more vitality

not sure what ur point is. the lying thing also applies to himself, meaning hes always in internal conflict. he has always been unreliable. it wasnt a last minute mcguffin

No? The child is just an opportunity to destroy the canvas.

ayo how old is clea

But it does mean more defence
Like the one time she reincarnated inside a fucking canvas Anon come one.

did good

got trapped under the monolith for 67 years

I am using the logic Clea explained, the person in control of the chroma which by the end of the game is Alicia has full power. Anything we see in the game is the result of 67 years of nevrons making sure no chroma returned.

So at best, they do the same process but Alicia/Maelle now understands what would happen.

devs were stupid not making this game where you play as renoir

So he jumped in the random portal for what exactly?

I loved the game, the moment to moment adventure with the characters was great, but the beginning of the overarching narrative was so much more interesting than the personal family drama it turned into. Gustave > Verso, always, and I wish it would have been a more interesting reveal than Gustave and friends all being a bunch of etch-a-sketch coping mechanisms. I guess I can see why FF8 was a source of operation for the devs because the story we got in the end was equally retarded.

That said it's still a 10/10. What a journey.

Escapismchads won bigly

30+

Yes? Renoir was going to destroy the canvas and verso fought him. The end

New Game++: Renoir's Bizarre Adventure

Her mother mind controlled her.
That won't be a problem anymore

And then Maelle lied to her father to his face, and he saw the fentanyl zombie Aline. He made his choice before seeing the child.

but why is this a bad thing

Why didn't Esquie headbutt the paintress like he did the Burgeon

Why is escapism bad?

It's escapism, can't you see it's not healthy?

Mealle lying had nothing to do with it. Other wise he would have said something to renoir.

rare sighting of a true and real satisfied Anon Babbleigger

whats with the ff8 mentions with this game, tho? i know the devs said that aswell but i dont understand the connection. unlike ff8, theres barely any romance in this game, theres no time travel bullshit, the story makes sense here, theres no laguna flashbacks, theres no card games, and the gameplay systems asked the important question of "but should we?" its nothing like ff8 at all

People really need to read fiction

Two of the most renown works of world literature involve a day in the life of a cuckold and his myriad musings, and a 40 something year European fucking a child during a cross country road trip after wedding and killing her mother. Literature isn't the go-to insult you think, fag, and if you're trying to insinuate that genre fiction ala fantasy and sci-fi are a cut above videogame writing, they're not. You're just spared having to hear their dogshit dialogue read aloud. "Gamers need to read more books," is a sentence consistently uttered by retards who don't actually read good books.

Alicia is still an amateur. I'm sorry specifically talking about a scenario where Aline is dead, and two actually good painters are going against her.

if you died protecting your sister would you want her to live a real life or to be strapped in a VR machine forever?

You misread the scene. Renoir knows he's been lied but deceived himself otherwise. In the moment.

mentally deficient homosexual who actually played suicide squad thinks he's sentient enough to comprehend pure unadulterated kino

what's it like having a mother who not only did hard drugs the entire 9 months you were in the womb, but also breastfed you for 3 years after?

based media enjoyer

I saw it as like your kid going "Dad pleeeeassee buy it for me I promise I won't stay up too late" after seeing the latest fotmslop game at Blockbuster. Dad obviously knows the kid is gonna stay up late playing the game and oversleep for school but buys it for him anyway.

Verso doesn't do anything when maelle lies.
The child is what causes to turn. The only logical conclusion is he was fine with maelle dying until he saw the child

Renoir will not leave her unmolested for long

hot

Escapism seems fine to me, especially when magic is involved and there are basically no consequences.
In which will she be happier? Can I also hook myself up to the VR?

Amateur compared to what, her mother who is the head of the Painters Council or Clea who everyone states is the most skilled?

basically no consequences

You die, your family watches you wither away, your brother's killers are still on the loose AND your family might need your help.

Why'd he jump into the portal nigger?

Both. It's a nonsensical ending. Verso's is clean by comparison, everything is settled.

escapism is bad for us regular people where reality is absolute. for magic people in these fantasy settings then it is no longer escapism, it is just a choice. Why would Alicia choose to be a cripple in one reality when she can live a normal life in another? To her the experience of life is the same in either plane of existence, just in one she's fucked up.

Anyway this shit is just the same as FFTA. It's all to satisfy the idea of you to themselves. It's just another form of control.

You die, your family watches you wither away, your brother's killers are still on the loose AND your family might need your help.

NONE of that is my problem, ESPECIALLY if my family kinda sucks

He saw the child before entering the portal nigger

no consequences

They are going insane and coping when they should be more focused on killing the Wr*ter niggers that killed Verso

Yeah. Except death. We don't know if she can manage a decent lifetime for herself.

for us

go back to redd*t, faggot

Again
not my problem
fuck em

Is maelle a femcel?

He fucking did not.

if you truly love someone or something, you let it go. thats the moral of the story, my dudes

That moral seems dumb. I think it was invented by people who want what you love for themselves. Grifters...

So that's what Elsa meant when she sang that song...

How isn't it your problem? Alicia likes Verso, she should want to help her family get revenge.

OK I was mistaken but it doesn't change that he doesn't inform renoire about maelle lying. He was going to jump in the portal regardless

I actually rewatched it because I doubted my memory for a sec. You double nigger.

the fuck does building a snowman gotta do with loss?

Maelle is meant to be a shit painter and the pariah of the family even before she got deformed

Verso literally spells out his reasoning out in the next scene. Quit it with the headcanon.

i saw this as Verso literally trying to get into the real world and being shady about it, but then realizing he cant, and finally coming to his conclusion to end it all

"Oh Dear, dear Clea... It saddens me to see your family in such poor state. These writers truly are evil. How about a little drink, let me help you in your revenge. Everything in life should be balanced. La Vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid but my Love burns harder than the sun itself."

What good will revenge do? Bring peace of mind to my asshole family? Oh well. I'd much rather enjoy awesome fantasy land.

Everyone in this thread is weird except me.

I really liked this scene for Sciel bros. She doesn't say anything outside of her one thing to Renoir but the entire time she's noticing that Verso is doing some contemplating internally. When Verso makes his choice in his ending she walks into the portal fully accepting her fate and shows Verso that she is content with his choice. Meanwhile Lune is fucking FUMING outside the portal and waits for oblivion because she can't do shit about it.

it is kind of a dumb phrasing but its more about not trying to capture what you love and to let them/it exist as they want to, not how you want them to, due to obsession or filling a void

Nigger, Verso should know exactly where that portal is going.

That's what I thought he was trying to do when he jumped in the portal, although it was already mentioned that the painting can't go in the real world. I don't get why the portal lead to child Verso or how painted Verso knew the portal lead to child Verso

It's the core of the canvas, they just had 3 painters fight it out.

Why are you obsessed with the family? You think Alicia doesn't want revenge for herself and for Verso? She's fucking around in the painting because she doesn't have the ability to do what she really wants to do. Getting kicked out of the painting will make her real life better.
Either way AFAIK we don't know what powers Painters and Writers have in the real world or how they train those powers. Maybe Alicias experience in the painting made her stronger irl

Alicia blames herself and her sister does too.
I don't think that will change

this is random, petty, and rentfree, but its hilarious to me that this game had a better Clive than Clive's game, and that yoship justified his non-ending by saying it would bring lots of discussions, but there was nothing to discuss because they didnt show or tell anything. meanwhile, this game has two separate and opposing endings that each have their own clear vision but are obscure enough to naturally bring discussion. Clive truly was the clear and obscure we made along the way

Bet you feel proud of that clear and obscure wording.

You think Alicia doesn't want revenge for herself and for Verso?

No but I don't care.

She's fucking around in the painting because she doesn't have the ability to do what she really wants to do.

Uhh seems like having an awesome fantasy life is what she should really wanty to do.

Getting kicked out of the painting will make her real life better.

Why? So she can be a slightly more satisfied disfigured cripple? Just let her have awesome fantasy time in the painting. She'll get over it. You can't get revenge for every family member killed. I'm not wasting my life looking for the driver who ran over my cat so I can get revenge.

Rejected a life wearing an eyepatch

Women™

Aline is the strongest painter of them all, she's already fucking dying so she jumps back in to try and save the painting.

Renoir knows she was lying, he just ends up leaving it as is. Can't save someone from themselves.

not because of literal limitations

We don't know anything about Versos death other than he died while trying to save Alicia in a fire that the Writers started right? We would need more details to discuss that.
Verso probably died because Alicia was weak and couldn't save herself, that should be motivation for Alicia to get stronger so she can save herself next time shit happens.
Her sister and mother will probably always blame her for the death though yeah

No, but she will only ever be satisfied by the Gustavedick

that should be motivation for Alicia to get stronger so she can save herself next time shit happens

Why
She has an awesome fantasy life
She no longer has to deal with the pain of reality
Especially because she's... you know... a cripple

There are literal limitations though. You can't do magic, you can't survive without oxygen, you can't survive a black hole. The nature of your limitations are different that's all.

tfw hearing Monoco's theme for the first time

holy fuck

I hope they add a "honor" mode type of difficulty that's basically expert but disabled some busted pictos and keeps the 9999 damage limit. Obviously it'd also limit enemy health pools to be more manageable.

she's just mute, has some burnt skin and a missing eye, she will get over it. idk why you think her life is awesome, her ending looked shit to me

catch me in the writer's guild during the sequel

>I'm not a toast in the canvas and the fake people like me here

Get back in the wheelchair cripple.

The child isn't visible at all in that scene, it's a portal to the outside world that shows Aline suffering, that's the only reason he enters it. I assume he figures the portal would allow him to either a) get out or b) enter the "soul" of the painting and end it for good.

Sciel had a hard life. She's had her husband die in an accident and tried to kill herself while also accidentally killing her unborn child. She accepted her fate long ago.

"Death is a friend"

but I still commend the Devs for making one of the most extensive endgames I've personally played in a jrpg

It's the game the devs wanted to play. Nobody wants a shit endgame.

It's called NG+ and instead of all that gay shit it gives enemies more health.

I'm sure NG+ can also be broken with pictos & gradient combos.

Nobody wants a shit endgame.

Then why the one shot or be shottan bullshit

What I really liked was that the Monolith was visible on from so many points of the map, always being the clear centerpoint of the journey visually.

It really reminded me of Xenoblade 1 with the Mechonis (and XBC2 with the World Tree, to a lesser extend).

If you're getting oneshotted at the post game you have to be retarded.
Even Simon phase 2 needs 3 hits to fully kill the party

she will get over being a cripple

as opposed to her awesome fantasy life where she is not a cripple

what part of awesome and fantasy do you not understand? literally what positives are there in her real life?

It's real.
She gets an eyepatch.

it's real

That's a negative, fiction sounds cooler than real and how they sound is the only difference

She gets an eyepatch.

What if she just puts one on in the fantasy world?

she's just mute, has some burnt skin and a missing eye

Let's not forget the part where every one of the breaths hurt because of the fire damage. She's in constant pain.

This isn't just about optics and that Chad is never going to fuck her crippled, crispy ass. Her life will be perpetual suffering.

You can't just put an eyepatch on, Anon.
You have to earn it by losing an eye.

E33's target audience can't visualize anything in their brain