some guys dressing as romans who torture and rape innocent people
an egocentric billionaire who doesn’t believe in democracy or taxes and sees the apocalypse as a business opportunity
a robot programmed by the guy who tried to kill you who wishes to bring total anarchy to New Vegas, resulting in total chaos, riots and murders
or
just a regular ass government that needs a change of leadership
Somehow this is still a debate 15 years later.
Fuck NCRiggers
I too agree that the robot is the objectively correct choice
Liberal democracy is evil and you're evil if you support it.
House is the sole reason Vegas is still standing, NCR is the reason for widespread corruption and weaking of the region to the point where faggots in skirts and baseball gear can capture and hold territory.
Imagine putting your trust in a goverment that can't even deal with bunch of LARPERs with knives and sticks.
Why do trannys think yesman is anarchy? The securitrons are capable of independent operation, threat assessment, maintaining public order, protecting the innocent, neutralizing threats, escalation, deescalation, etc, etc. they’re cops without egos that will uphold whatever laws (you) program them to, as well as an army if outside threats become a serious concern.
Everyone else is out for personal aggrandizement and yesman is the only option that places any value on improving the quality of life for everyone.
just a regular ass government that needs a change of leadership
with food shortages, oligarchs and a war on drugs. and for some reason they're too void of competence to find a single engineer in all of new vegas capable of working on helios one. instead they get a guy who's obviously a retard to run the show. so none of the people from sloane who worked with excavators and explosives. none of the wealthy people from the strip who might have a decent education or rare skills. no just some retard.
The way I see yesman is that you have to murder a guy to get that option. Murderers are bad people. Bad people do bad things. You initiated the use of force. So why wouldn't you do it again? New vegas devs seem to know how a factory might be run and how a desert town might get water, but they don't know shit about anarchy.
You don’t have to murder anyone.
You need somebody for diplomacy to develop long term plans for the region so trade and living conditions stay at high level.
You can't just brueforce this with muscle alone, in the yesman ending it is implied that the courier isn't as heavily invested as house was.
Tyrannicide isn’t murder. It’s a public duty.
A regular ass government that needs a change of leadership AND your constant baby-sitting to get anything done.
You should really learn to read. The yesman ending has New Vegas become its own independent state/faction. It’s a little vague on what exactly its focus is, because it’s basically write your own ending, you strange entity with maxed out everything and a robot army.
You have to murder house.
Sorry about your abusive parents anon. You should see a talk therapist about that. You definitely have defences blocking you from healthy expression about them.
That's a video game stat grind logic vs world building logic problem though.
The courier is no match for House on an intelectual level, and the robot army and yesman only do what they are told.
>just a regular ass government that needs a change of leadership
you've left out very important context
just a copy of the regular ass government that oversaw the total destruction of the entire planet
You don’t have to murder house to take control of yesman.
House is quite open about how all he cares about is getting to space and views everyone else alive as a tool for that effect.
Best thing for NCR is losing to House.
The current leadership needs kicking out.
As says, the NCR is at the start of the road that leads to one of the shitty governments that blew the world up in the first place.
bootlicker.
House is quite open about how all he cares about is getting to space
That's not ture at all, he just uses that as an example of how fast he can get to the old world tech level with the right means.
ncr path is literally about being a cuck
with the right means
Yeah, slave labor under the lash of his robot army.
Every Western government runs by that same framework. Always just needs a bit of a push to go in the right direction. Problem is, we are only allowed to elect the same useless faggots constantly. Even when we elect a supposedly 'based' politician, he does the same pointless shit as everyone else. Necessary change of leadership never comes. And these are the forms of government that the NCR is trying to emulate.
Proofs for that slave claim?
Robots are more efficient than humans for these tasks.
The points where he talks about human colonization of other planets.
Just like the NCR with their correctional facilities and chain gangs then. Except they don't have extensive knowledge of automation and cool robots like House does.
why do the mentally ill always project their mental illness on to others?
Yes you do. Even if somehow he survives being exposed as a several hundred year old man who, you're still stealing his property which is a violation of the non aggression principle core to the anarchist philosophy.
Just get in talk therapy. I didn't do anything to you so you've no rational reason to attack me. You need someone to help you direct your anger to the people who actually hurt you. The people who beat you into submission. The people who trained you to hold your anger or face punishment.
House violated the nap by making you perform a dangerous task without informing you of the danger or what you were carrying. Truth is, game was rigged from the start.
Dont forget the strong independent women and their simps
Nah
House + Think Tank for immortality tech.
Sounds like you’ve already had enough therapy for the both of us and at least one other person.
Anywho
yeah okay you don’t have to murder him but you do have to open up his casket so that’ll like definitely maybe kill him and you’re like stealing and stuff
Listen, I know he speaks well, but what he’s essentially describing is robot enforced/maintained Stalinist Russia, where people are just resources to be allocated as “needed,” and resources allocated away from them if there is “better use” for them somewhere else, and like Stalinist Russia, subject to complete collapse when its glorious leader kicks the bucket. House is confident he can survive indefinitely and you can almost effortlessly prove him wrong.
just a regular ass government
this is why I destroy them
He didn't make anyone do anything in that contract. The guy in primm makes it clear that it was sketchy. Crazy courier chose uncertainty voluntarily. Like when people at work ignore health and safety guidelines. If you want to cut corners it's your funeral.
Oh sorry anon, you're actually perfect and don't need any therapy at all. You're the bestest ever as well. You can do anything you want. Reach for the stars queen.
some guys dressing as romans who torture and rape innocent people
Those tribes weren’t innocent, and they’re still doing better than the NCR
an egocentric billionaire who doesn’t believe in democracy or taxes and sees the apocalypse as a business opportunity
Gotta love how the showtards will say shit like this but never play the game
a robot programmed by the guy who tried to kill you who wishes to bring total anarchy
He doesn’t wish to do anything since he’s programmed to do whatever people ask retard, and Benny just wanted to become the new House.
they're too void of competence to find a single engineer in all of new vegas capable of working on helios one
They found a guy who could theoretically work on it.
Didn't they notice the old lady who owns a scrapyard? She was in visual range of the guard post.
Wow, got you so mad you couldn’t read the rest of the post.
Mindcucked NCRfags will defend paying taxes after the end of the world
But really, do you have to pretend to be retarded in order to get replies? A life of insincerity leads nowhere good.
What therapy can do for you is teach you to be comfortable with being mad. It's a healthy emotion that abusers force us to suppress through ridicule and physical violence. Just like what you're doing here. You're mirroring your abusers like when homos rape children.
Distances in the game are obviously different from distances in the "real world". There are a few entries that mention something taking weeks, while in the game you can cross the whole map in a single day.
The comic (All Roads) also mentions the distance from Primm to Goodsprings, I think.
Don't blame OP for knowing which buttons he has to push to engagement out of Anon Babble.
You just sound overly sensitive.
It’s always conveniently bait after everyone calls them out as a retard isn’t it?
Because when it's a choice between Californians and globalhomo, liberals choose globalhomo.
And you sound like you have no problems. You're completely perfect and never need help with anything. You've got donuts of steel.
>an egocentric billionaire who doesn’t believe in democracy
believe in democracy
Did you at least look out the windows when Mr House told you to do that.
muh democracy
Democracy leads to hitler
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I did different playthroughs for all of these factions. I am not attached to any particular one of them. It's a game, it's fun, and I'm going to play all of it and enjoy all of it.
what part of War Never Changes do you guys not grasp?
the actual ideology is irrelevant. The NCR replicating the American Republic is no different from House's proposed autocracy or Caesar's dreams to remaking the west coast into a facsimile of the Roman Empire in the grand scheme of things.
Neoconservativism, not even once.
Yes, they are. It's not much of a debate though it's more like they copy/paste the same talking points at each other. They have been doing this every day for almost 15 years.
just a regular ass government that needs a change of leadership
the actual leadership of the NCR are the rich, the leader and the democracy offers no meaningful change
NCR is now confirmed worst path since Bethesda canon is now in effect. Hope you enjoyed saving Hoover Dam when it is confirmed it all gets blown up.
But anon, regular ass governments are what caused the nuclear war in the first place, and there are still unlaunched nukes lying around. Like mr house said (the only objectively good choice for an ending), you want to see the fate of democracy, look out the window
wannabe tough guys, also rape
gubmint bad corpos good ancap brainlets
retards who actually think they'd be amazing leaders irl if not for the pesky fact nobody wants anything do to with them
boring realistic option, also moralism
NCR never had a chance to win on its own merits.
I wonder if Housecucks realize he's basically Elon Musk + Walt Disney
Believes in taxes
Enjoy your tariffs cuck
china nuking america (a republic) makes democracy bad
Because like all AIs, Yes Man is a retard that needs to be tardwrangled, and even with a very good karma gigachad Courier that has 10 in all SPECIAL stats, 100 in all skills, etc., the stability of the Mojave is entirely reliant on the Courier doing everything themselves, and there is still some chaos, as shown by the slides at the end.
food shortages
Source: Hildern (who is repeatedly shown to be unreliable), Hanlon (whose entire quest is about him carrying out misinformation), and O'Hanrahan (who is from a middle-class farming family that had a few bad harvests in recent years). Meanwhile, Camp McCarran has an excess of vegetables and water and the Mojave isn't exporting water or food to California, only electricity.
The NCR is repeatedly shown to be far more sympathetic than the pre-WW3 USA, so even though it is making some of the same mistakes, it can still be reformed. Even the show indirectly acknowledged this by having it be blown up by Vault-Tec coming back from the dead instead of the NCR's actual problems.
Meanwhile, the Legion want to avoid the pre-WW3 USA's mistakes (imperialism, neglecting infrastructure, and having an energy crisis) by LARPing as Romans (who were imperialists that eventually had an energy crisis) and destroying productive capacity.
Democratic politicians at least have to pretend to not be useless faggots every few years. Meanwhile, dictatorships just rub it in their populations' faces.
Based and same.
Source: Hildern (who is repeatedly shown to be unreliable)
In terms of what? Being a sopiopath who woulnt give a fuck what happens to people as long as he gets what he wants? His a scientist, not a social worker.
Hanlon (whose entire quest is about him carrying out misinformation)
Misinformation to the different NCR outposts, the guy has 0 reasons to lie about this to the player.
O'Hanrahan (who is from a middle-class farming family that had a few bad harvests in recent years).
So now we cant even rely on people who work the land, great to know.
Meanwhile, Camp McCarran has an excess of vegetables and water and the Mojave isn't exporting water or food to California, only electricity.
Their right next to the biggest farm in the Mojave and theres a giant metal tube pumping water to them, what does this have to do with food shortages of an ever expanding empire with no real solution outside of getting even bigger?
Somehow this is still a debate 15 years later.
Because this is a measure of writing for (c)RPG game. It still riles up discussion after all those years.
In terms of what? Being a sopiopath who woulnt give a fuck what happens to people as long as he gets what he wants? His a scientist, not a social worker.
His quest about the contaminated water has him relying on a computer to give the sharecroppers the right amount of water and blaming the sharecroppers instead of investigating why they were underperforming. If the Courier lets the vault survivors die and saves the crops, then he says that the problem must have resolved itself. This means that he is probably also relying on a flawed computer model for his prediction of food shortages in a decade, like how Limits To Growth claimed that the world would run out of everything, but it didn't.
If the Courier deleted the data, then he says that thousands of people could die. The NCR had a population of 700,000 people in Fallout 2.
Misinformation to the different NCR outposts, the guy has 0 reasons to lie about this to the player.
Hanlon does lie initially, before the Courier tells him what they know.
So now we cant even rely on people who work the land, great to know.
A 40-acre farm in a place as vast as California having string of bad harvests does not mean that the NCR is going to run out of food in a decade. O'Hanrahan is the most reliable of the three.
Their right next to the biggest farm in the Mojave and theres a giant metal tube pumping water to them, what does this have to do with food shortages of an ever expanding empire with no real solution outside of getting even bigger?
If the NCR actually had shortages of food and water, then the Mojave would be exporting the excess food and water to the NCR's core territories, and more characters would mention it instead of just talking about the NCR's taxes and inflation. The war is also seen as an unpopular foreign adventure.
>some guys dressing as romans who torture and rape innocent people
Retarded fucking liberal.
just a regular ass government
So genocidal incompetent maniacs?
>just a regular ass government that needs a change of leadership
Have you ever wondered why? Or why that never changes?
no I just like stupid games
I like the boomers.
I had an amazing argument with a guy larping as Kreia from kotor II justifying why an independent vegas is the best option like 10 years ago. They would constantly bust my balls over every justification I would give. I still think it's the best option if you have a character built for it and do a lot of quests to help out the boroughs of Vegas. The communal farming method we see in Westside could be spread to the other neighborhoods to make them more self sufficient. Boomers could provide long range security and train an army for New Vegas with liaisons. The Lucky 38 could be opened with you as the owner. The Kings could be outfitted with better gear from the Gun Runners to keep order in Freeside and the robot army could be kept on layaway in case of an NCR or Legion invasion.
War never changes... apart from that time that it did change a lot.
Hitler turned Germany into an economic superpower. Nazi Germany's economy definitely wasn't a basket case.
After the Courier ensured New Vegas remain free, the Followers found that Independent New Vegas was even more unstable and violent than before. Old Mormon Fort became excessively burdened by the influx of patients, struggling to provide even the most basic of services.
War... War never changes... but the exchange rates of the Deutschmark from 1929 to 1941 decreased by 0.06% leading to rise of inflation and an tariff on imported goods... Anyways to make a long story short War Never Changes TM (register of Bethesda softworks and Take Two Interactive all rights reserved)
an egocentric billionaire who doesn’t believe in democracy or taxes and sees the apocalypse as a business opportunity
Based. Also he does believe in taxes, you fucking retard.
Mr. House or Player Run are the only good choices.
The NCR is retarded if you explore and read stuff.
I still think it's the best option
if you have a character built for it
No shit? What if everyone was a good, helpful neighbour and focused on rebuilding, too? Wouldn't that be wonderful?
You're a fucking retard bro, never think for yourself again
The War Never changes line is about people waging war, not the economical changes or things leading up to it.
Aight so don't roleplay in the roleplaying game got it
so Fallout: Dust is canon now right?
If you wanna play armchair psychologist you behave like a classic cluster B manipulator.
I play videogames for mundane, boring stuff
Do you play eurotruck simulators too?
China?
Based
The legion suffers from a great lack of content
They realized nobody would ever want to side with the evil faction and gave up. It's by far the lowest achieved ending.
I feel some loyalty to the NCR since you are basically directly responsible for their existence in the first to games
so I only send them back to California
That's retarded. With a few changes, the Legion can be a compelling evil faction while still showing their flaws beyond just being evil. But the developers are liberals, so they are incapable of doing that.
you have to go back
fpbp
based and moneypilled. the mojave is a shithole, why not cash out while you can?
I sound like I don’t get upset over anonymous discourse.
Considering where democracy got us and what taxes *actually* pay for Mr House did nothing wrong
Sounds like you fucked up your run
Too edgy
what's the earliest I can get this weapon? I image from Knight Torres or from the Khan Armorer
China is a democracy you ignoramus.
Thanks for breaking into my house and reading my notes so you could post all my reasons. Fucking retard holy shit.
What do you want, a medal?
good posts. This Courier has a solid grasp on morality. He also understands the virtues of cooperation, voluntary hierarchy and long-term planning. He will go to space while the retards he attempted to talk sense into will remain in a radioactive desert, playing with shiny bottle caps.
Regular ass government is how the apocalypse happened in this setting.
No, it’s about both the reasons and the means
Because they paid attention to the ending cards for the Yesman endings?
I don’t need recognition for being better than you.
You mean the ones that establish the courier stabilizes the region and makes it into a respected faction/state/region?
It doesn't matter who wins this conflict anyways, Vault Tec apparently still exists and just nukes civilizations that get too big cause they just froze a bunch of their own personnel and are going to retake the planet at an undetermined point in the future.
the only reason New Vegas exists is that House shot down almost all of the nukes that were going to destroy it, and the only reason he didn't shoot down them all is that he didn't get the platinum chip in time.
so one faction is, in fact, better than the others.
What? The only retard here is you. Even the show had to do a deus ex Vault-Tec to get rid of the NCR.
Yet you seem desperate to assert it.
Not all response is desperate.
You don't even know what that means
believe in democracy or taxes
Get a load of this sucker..
using braindead bethesda writers as authority
Sometimes retards don't know they're retarded. I'm not even going to try to convince you.
Find a vet ranger at camp golf, i think some spawn early there and kill one
bla bla bla
The legion aren't 'winning' against the NCR you fucking tard, the only reason the NCR doesn't bitter springs massacre the entirety of the sports gear melee-only tard squad is because they're already busy holding the land they have and dealing with everything else in the wasteland, like fiends, mutants, the few generic raider gangs, defending caravans, and oh I don't know, having the only sense of a genuine human-led and staffed functioning government in the fucking wasteland of all things.
You can jerk off House all you want, but if you actually have a problem with the NCR based purely on the grounds of muh old-world bureaucracy then why don't you have the same problems with House, who manages to unite a bunch of cannibal degenerate tribals under the old-world philosophy of capitalism which famously worked wonders in the world before the apocalypse, where the ground standard economic factor is based around fucking bottle caps. At least the NCR has dollars.
why is it called new vegas if it's still technically old vegas?
The issue with house is its all big pragmatic plans that rely on either his continued existence or finding people to continue them the same way he would. For even if he is the objectivist he sees himself as, there is no guarantee any followers will be too.
Hence the comparison to Stalin. As ol’ Joe seemed to honestly believe one day he’d step down and there would be no need to replace him, as he would have fathered a nation with no need for a central authority. But he died before that happened, in a pool of his own piss, surrounded by the people he trusted most, after erasing dozens who didn’t.
At least the NCR has dollars.
you'd have to be a braindead retard to consider this a positive.
the NCR switched to fiat currency because they had to abandon the gold standard because they couldn't defend their trade routes. The switch plummeted the federation into hyperinflation, which allowed Brahmin Barons to basically seize the government.
Bottle caps > toilet paper with a president's face on it.
wasn't that the plot of fallout 2, the enclave us government still exists and wants to wipe out all new life
Oh and hey, while we're here, let's make sure we note that House isn't just a self-absorbed retarded sociopath, his entire house of cards is built on cardboard. The 3 (just 3!) tribes he managed to unite under slot machines are 1. a literal cannibal murderer den, 2. a degenerate sex mafia pit, and 3. literally planning a semi-successful plot to take down House and take control of the Strip until the Courier got protagonist syndrome.
So by all metrics, House manages to control like... 2 streets, and hasn't even managed to bring order to fucking Freeside with all his securitrons, his only human underlings are all acting against his wishes, and his master plan is a bunch of fucking mailmen, a plan that *literally fails* by the way, since the Courier got shot in the first place. He can't plan for shit. Meanwhile pre-TV show retcon horseshit, the NCR managed to beat back enough of the wasteland to at least hold an entire US state.
Cuz it won’t run by the mob
The NCR is so stretched-thin because it's an unpopular foreign adventure. They're sending a small amount of cannon fodder with service rifles and two weeks of training, while all of the competent soldiers are in California.
The whole point of NV was to retcon the Brotherhood so they would be bad guys again and NCR the patriots. Obsidian was so ass fucking pained that 3 did so well that they hard coded bitching into the game, crying like little fucking kids
this comparison is disingenuous. Stalin was an upjumped thug, House is a genius who saved Vegas and will live forever.
but he isn't immortal! You can kill him!
sure. Go ahead, destroy everything your betters have built. Kill House and persist in the doomed world you have created. Me, I'm going to space because I'm not a nigger who would rather plummet the world into darkness than respect a Great Man and his vision.
And for the record i'm a Yes Man fag because I can roleplay my courier any way I want and he is a super-genius who kills House, tells the NCR to fuck off and takes over Vegas. But to be a Legionfag you have to be turbo-retarded, and to be a Housefag you have to be stupid enough to fall for the mental grand-standing of a barely functioning corpse piloting a fucking TV. He is a narcissist whose entire philosophy and plan ultimately fails by the time the game has started. It is quite possibly the most cucked choice; even legionfags are better, because at least those retards can more or less understand the Legion only wins with plot interference from the protagonist. House never had a fucking chance.
In reality, minus the Courier, the NCR is ultimately the best choice for the Wasteland until hack writers shoehorn Vault Tec into a recycled Enclave plot and re-nukes civilization, because muh apocalypse. Face of New Vegas and everything good about fallout BTW
The legion aren't 'winning' against the NCR you fucking tard
The biggest evidence for this is the fact that Caesar lost the first battle of hoover dam. They lost against the NCRs most forward and undermanned force.
All three of the "good" west coast factions are being retconned. The NCR is becoming a corrupt imperialistic republic, the BOS are even more isolationist than in the first two games, and the Followers are now pathetic, while they were able to infiltrate the Cathedral and get disguises in the first game.
They aren't bad guys in NV but they are technofetishist jerks who enslave you if you try to do a favor for them (Deliver ED-E before meeting/taking Veronica as a companion).
nope that's the only option that appears for independent