Explain why skill based matchmaking is bad versus engagement based matchmaking

I want to play a game against randoms, not in a system that is designed around 50% winrates, engagement farming, micro-transaction farming etc.

Modern FPS is such a joke. The only enjoyable games are old ones. My friends and I haven't played a modern FPS since 2018 or so and they keep getting worse.
That new Bungie game had fucking mouse aim assist. It's so over.

I personally think everyone accepts it because they're too stupid to see the problem. Let's say you play a game and you're given B rank, and you're just stuck in B rank forever. You'll never get to play against people of A rank. That means everyone in B rank just has to accept that they're inferior.
Are people really that content with their worthless lives? Maybe they are, but it contradicts what I see on this website, which is hostility. Nobody seems content at all. It's more likely that they don't see how soulless modern multiplayer is.

You are in B rank for ever.

You are only in B rank for ever if you don't team up and farm the ranks. Its that easy, just be competent enough to act as support.

You are only in B rank for ever if you don't team up and farm the ranks. Its that easy

It's that easy, is it? If it's so easy, then why are only 1% of people professional gamers. I'd like to hear the NPC explanation on that one.

I want neither, give me a server list.

There is no such thing as forced 50/50. You do well, and the game puts you against people it thinks you should have a 50% winrate against until you hit ~50%. It does not go "time to make him lose". Retard.

B-BUT THEY KEEP GIVING ME UNWINNABLE GAMES!

And they give you just as many games you can't lose. Retard.

NOOOOOO, THEY JUST WANT TO FORCE ME TO KEEP PLAYING! THAT'S WHY THEY DENY ME THE RANK I DESERVE!

Bro if people better than you can get to a higher rank just fucking around and doing stupid shit, it's just a skill issue?

Go to bed, teammateslosecon. You're literally in the lowest skill bracket and complain about the devs keeping you down 24/7 on Anon Babble.

no matter how good or bad you are at the game you are statistically going to fall/rise towards a 50% winrate no matter what when the game gives you players of equal skill.
it's not some crazy conspiracy or advanced algorithm, you just aren't meant to win more than 50% of your games when you're matched against opponents of equal skill.

If nobody has any more stupid shit to say, I'll be in this other tab filtering 99% of the board, because that's the amount of shit on this board that isn't worth reading. The rest is the posts I made.
I look forward to more NPC Nigger bullshit. They actually reply to me with their stupid shit.

Most people don't give a shit enough about digital ranks and the amount of money you can get from being a Pro outside of say Korea/China is basically jackshit.

yup

the amount of money you can get from being a Pro outside of say Korea/China is basically jackshit.

I don't believe that at all. Can you prove there's no money? I think they would make money without even winning tournaments, because they would be paid by their organisation.

both bad

You play ASSFAGGOTS, you have no human rights

I have a 72% winrate on Battlefield.

Ideally it should be this but not applicable for every type of game since it breaks the game's pacing the lower the team count gets and would literally end 1v1 games if leaves aren't counted as losses.

just look at the winnings, it's very much nothing compared to minimum wages. You might get some tech-sponsorships but that's about it.

Thanks for not posting proof. I'm filtering this thread now. The vast majority of the board is auto filtered. I did not have a second thread. Please have your NPC Nigger discussions with each other. I personally think segregation is good, but clearly everyone disagrees, or they'd stay in the filtered section.

you'd be correct if it wasn't blatantly obvious when the game puts you in bot games

Why not just look it up? You can use jewgle can't you?

I deserve to win more than others because I just do, okay?

wtf dude why do you care so much about winning? It's just a game haha.

Lmao what a bad and uneducated post. Typical of a jaded retard playing Dota that thinks being put into a lobby where you're guranteed to either get shit stomped or effortlessly win against retards is a good thing.

The game bounces between giving you unwinnable matches and unloseable matches, neither of which are enjoyable.

If a game has SBMM, I ain't playing.

They're the same shit.
This. As long as I'm playing with people who are playing for roughly the same reasons I am and with whom I can build up a rapport, I can have fun.
In matchmaking just about everyone starts off in an adversarial relationship and the cost-cutting of corporate servers means that everyone is stuck in teams that are too small for people to just have fun, yet too large for any average player to really swing it. 5v5 and 6v6 games are shit.
Provided everyone can at least play the game, the greatest determining factor in winning is in how well your team can communicate and play together and that's never considered in matchmaking ranking, so it will always be random.
The most you can do is try to trick your teammates into playing as a team and that falls apart if one or more of them just don't want to.
It's a full-time job where you have to play with awful people in a psychologically exploitative game, all while your job is essentially at the mercy of the videogame company and event hosters not doing something retarded.

Server ecosystem based games are better in every concevable way.
Matchmaking as a whole exsists to trap players in a skinnerbox.

Explain why skill based matchmaking is bad versus engagement based matchmaking.

Every matchmaking system online sucks dick because you play with people who you don't know. This isn't a problem in a 1v1 game, but a team game is complete fucking retarded. You don't play football or any team sport with people you don't know. Literally nobody does that because it sucks dick.

im playing pokemon unite and there is 10 active player at a time and you already know who lose or win in the loading screen because these people are another level of retard

This picture should end every thread about matchmaking, this garbage has been a disaster for multiplayer games and I'd give everything to go back to the times of fucking around on my favorite wolf:ET servers.

This doesn't work for normal people. If it did Overwatch would be the greatest game to you it literally has this system with Custom games/Casual/Comp

To this day I still cannot grasp how this shitty genre became so popular among average plebs. This is the single worst possible game mode to play as random teams, if one of you sucks dick or simply has a bad day, rest of your team is held hostage for a minimum of 20 minutes and you get punished if you leave on your own.
Is this because there is ALWAYS someone else on the team they can blame?

why does everyone look down on league players?

it's more like feeling like god when the retard end in the opposite team and you end up 36/0/0 the game

It's gotten so bad that nowadays the most fun shooters are in fucking Roblox of all things

League.

Game for kool-aid drinkers.

Overwatch doesn't have dedicated servers, therefor it cannot foster actual communities who actually play the game the way they want. The temporance inforced by the custom games system will kneecap all emmergent communties.

I just wanna circlejerk with a bunch of retards playing the same game with the same people everyday

You can do a thing called making friends you know? They'll even play games with you.

I'm not joining your grooming discord server.

eSports and RankedFaggotry is everything ruining online games, and MOBAs are the pustulating tumor that spawned it.

I'm not joining your TF2 Furry pound grooming server either faggot. Sorry I don't chose to be friends with stupid niggers who can't even grasp what they want or are talking about.

Its the cheaters that ruin online FPS gaming though. No match without a cheater.

No ones asking you too. That's the cool part of server ecosytems. Pretty much every Discord server is also it's weird insulated culture of termanlly online wierdos, who also happen to be transexual furries.
You don't have to deal with weird ass communities and just pick a more normal server to play on. That was how TF2 worked until Valve burried community servers in menus within menus to promote their own shitty unmoderrated match making system.

Yeah bro just play on a normal TF2 server

Take your pick of even weirder power tripping servers where the mods micspam all day then ban other people for daring to talk while laughing at the hacker in the lobby killing everyone because it's their friend.

Please spam me more with buying premium for only $14.99 a month and you get admin commands so you can ban and kick people for killing you!

Yeah I'm good bro thanks, I don't want to play on your grooming servers.

Lamo what servers are you finding?
Just go on Uncletopia or Zesty's servers already instead of LARPing up a situation that's never happened on anything other than an obviously non-vanilla server.

Ok faggot, nobody is forcing you to play fy_iceworld. Go find a server with the ruleset you prefer, unless the mere concept of people enjoying a game in a different way makes your blood boil.

Uncletopia

Isn't that a TF2 youtuber that unironically groomed boys? Grim

I play 1vs1 and FFA game, not my problem, Team-cringe player

Keeps saying won't use discord because of grooming despite discord never being mentioned

Literally tries to tell me to play on Uncle Danes grooming TF2 server

LOOOOOL

It's one of those topics where the only thing Anon Babble knows how to do is repeat secondhand opinions like brain damaged parrots.
League is fun. It gives an experience that can't quite be replicated outside of MOBAs, but you're not allowed to say that because it isn't the most popular opinion on the board.
This place has become so contrarian it's looped back around to being no different from being a reddit-tier hivemind.

Why can't you find friends to play games with the rule sets you wanna play if you're interested in playing with the same circle of people? Seems like you're the one getting their panties in a twist at a valid suggestion.

Quantifying "engagement" and building a system around it is quite possibly the most anti-fun dry soulless corporate thing you can put on a videogame.

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Community servers act as a public space, there is a core of a consistant playerbase, but also a flow of newcomers and semi-regulars.
It's like going out to some third space and meeting new people vs. going to a friend's house.

If only there was a way to find like minded communities that play the same games as you like a normal person.

You mean like a server browser?

engage in shitty pseudo-socialization with cringy faggots just to play some fucking games

vs.

just play some fucking games on public servers tailored to your tastes

I pity the zoomers who can't imagine a world without using shitcord servers for everything

I mean like a friend group but that seems like a foreign concept to you.
Just whatever reason you can make up to circumvent making friends. What kind of gamer would you even define yourself as?

The lockdowns really did mindrape an entire generation into thinking that being a insular weirdo that never interacts with people outside their friend group is normal.

Teammates =/= Friends
If I wanted to interact with someone outside of the context of a match I'd join a Discord server, but all I want is to have a fun match with acquaintances.

I'm interacting with you right now. You can't even answer a simple question and instead insult me.
I don't think it's my brain that's broken.
Great, that's what generic matchmaking is for, you get a full server with no bots unless you're playing Marvel slop.

Cars and telegrams mindraped entire generations into thinking that being an insular weirdo who occasionally goes to specific places to interact with a friend group is normal.
There's nothing wrong with only incidentally interacting with people.
You can't even live in a castle alone these days without someone inviting a vampire hunter to come over to the local hamlet in his truck.

Match making

No bots

And you play TF2?

sbmm is great but ruined by smurfing faggots

Why would I play a game with a community of only 3rd worlders who can't afford real games and autistic pedophiles? Maybe in 2008-2012 when normal people played it.

Avoiding the point.

I'll just chalk this up as an argument won.

Have you ever considered that maybe you're just bad at improving at games. I have risen in rank many times in fight games, moba, different types of shooters, card games and probably more genres I'm not thinking of. Though it helps that when I start playing a game I never played before seriously, I don't engage in delusions like you where I tell myself I am not responsible for my own wins and loses. Like seriously anon, consider that if this is a consistent problem for you across multiple games, you might just be bad at improving. Is that really too wild a thought for you to accept? You think that highly of yourself?

Both are absolutely atrocious. If I'm better than other players I want to feel better as well. Instead I'm put in a match with absolute no lives that I can't possibly compete with because I can't play a game for 12 hours a day. It feels like there are skill brackets and if you get too good you go from the top of one to the bottom of the higher skill bracket.

It's fine for ranked but you find that shit even in casual matchmaking nowadays.

TF2

Full of bots

Yeah it is congrats no one will contest that. Even community servers are full of them to try to bait people into playing on them. It's been like that since retards figured out they could make money from collecting chests..

Because games are meant to be fun

So you want to be put only in games with shitters so that you can feel like the no lifers you are crying about.
Just play against bots.

So you don't actually play TF2 but you want to imagine up all kinds of things to try and prove why community servers are bad?
Looks like my argument is still won.

zoomzooms will never know how it feels to join a server, not a queue...

being put into a lobby where you're guranteed to either get shit stomped or effortlessly win against retards

That's SBMM pretty much. One game starts with 0-10 for our team. The new game starts 10-0. In one it doesn't matter what you do, you cannot win, no point getting mentally invested in the match. But the same goes for the second game, it also doesn't matter what you do, your team just somehow plays much better and wins anyway.

It's pretty common knowledge TF2 community servers are full of fake players and bots as well as children being groomed with admin powers that abuse them

d they give you just as many games you can't lose. Retard.

So youre saying that 50% of my games are autolosses? Sounds like a 50/50 system.

I heard it on the internet!

Mabye your eGirl (36 year old male) discord friends don't actually know as much as they let on?

Hearing things about the internet on the internet can't be true

Oops! it's legitimately retarded. Maybe you can find a community support group for down syndrome LOL!

Yeah, I guess your discord group already deals with you, so mind dropping me a link?

You didn't play enough back in the WC3 days then because most games didn't go like that.
Most of them ended in 5 minutes because 1 new player joined against seasoned players, got immediately stomped, and then 2 deaths later people just left the game.
People wanting to just win every game is exactly why they don't want SBMM and activision basically proved it in a study where they secretly turned SBMM matchmaking off for a select number of players. Turns out the bottom 90% of players just quit the game while the top 10% feasted (and in theory would do so until nothing was left)

What's a discord? Could you link me to the site, you keep talking about it. Seems really important to you and that you really wanna talk about it and bring it up constantly like you're obsessed.

Matchmaking inherently causes players to become reclusive by breaking up teams after each match. You cannot form a meaningful rapport with a group of 5 other retards in a single match, and yet every game insists on throwing you back into the queue every time a match is finished, unlike dedicated servers which allow you to play with the same group as many times as you wish and form connections and relations freely.

that wouldnt work in a game like league of leagends

You can also make friends with them and que with them while getting matched against different people instead of stomping the same retards over and over.

But there would still be players stronger and equal to me. What you're talking about IS ranked matchmaking and I had plenty of games were I was king of the noobs and it's not fun as well. All I want is when I'm in the top 20% of players there should be on average only 20% higher skill than I am.

I like how the constant "forced 50/50" theories, with no proof having ever been found, suggest that matchmaking actually works pretty well in finding fairly even matches. People like to frame it as them arbitrarily getting held back by retards, without really pausing to consider how many retards on the other team were free farm in the games they won.

Plenty of proof has been found? Companies like Blizzard literally came out and said it's real in Overwatch. You can also see the fucking game matching you with people who are ranks lower than the people on the other team. It's more so to keep losers winning and not winners losing.