Expedition 33 HUGE Plot Holes

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Expedition 33 HUGE Plot Holes

Major spoilers obviously

As a general concept, the story is fine. The father and mother dealt with grief of losing two children and one scarred, and they turn to painting to cope and re-experience those memories by creating them in this fictional world. The mother becomes absorbed in the painting at the expense of the real world, Renoir wants to stop the madness before both she and Alicia (real-world variant) are consumed and lost in the real world too. Verso wants to sacrifice himself to save his sister because that's why he died in the first place, he recognizes this world as fake. Maelle wants to save the painted world, because even though it's fake, there are real emotions and connections here that she feels much stronger than the real world, and she doesn't want all that to go to waste.

The issue is when you start going deeper into the specifics and you realize everything is just handwaved bullshit

Like why didn't the paintress make any attempt to communicate with the people of Lumiere through the Monolith text that she isn't their enemy and that real Renoir is the one responsible for the gommage, and she is just reducing the damage he can do? You would think with 67 years of expeditions sent to destroy her due to a misunderstanding that she would try to communicate with them in some way? Especially considering Maelle (who is much weaker) literally paints her own message on the Monolith during the camp scene.

It's nonsensical how Renoir is doing the Gommage, yet the Paintress conveniently perfectly redirects it to target only this one exact specific age group and only once a year. It's still never explained why or how this works. Or why she doesn't write anything to communicate with Lumiere on the monolith. Or why she doesn't just have painted Renoir tell the expeditioners she is on their side instead of just murdering them and angering/inspiring them further.

The best interpretation is that real Renoir/Paintress don't hate each other, he just wants her out of the painting. Her power is much stronger, so he weakens in a slow and predictable way, weaning her out. And that Painted Renoir wasn't created to protect her, but just as part of her painted family and he blindly protects the paintress out of love from being her husband, rather than being created specifically to protect her, or being rational enough to try to talk to the expeditioners to explain it.

Now, why real Renoir doesn't deliberately target members of her family, or at least even anyone close to them doesn't really make sense. The goal is to get her out of the painting, by making her pained children (the only reason she is there) as miserable as possible. Why killing thousands indiscriminately takes less power than a couple specific targets also makes no sense.

On the other hand, if you say he has no power over targets whatsoever and Aline 100% redirects them exactly to her choosing, then why does she make zero effort to save those Maelle and Verso love from the gommage? She only and exclusively kills that age group regardless of how it affects her painted children.

The whole story is full of holes

But she did convince expedition 60 and Simone. At the point of the game Lumiere explicitly mistrusts the paintress and when painted Verso/Renoir try to tell them that she's not the enemy they think they're traitors and mistrust them, especially later on given that painted renoir is too old.

Dogshit game

All of this was explained

Aline is a retard
You are a retard

why didn't the eagles bring the ring to Mount Doom

so this game is basically elden ring painted world + FFTA escapism with melodrama

Americans are awake I see.

schizos trying their best to defend kusoge story

always the same replies in every thread

at some point you just have to accept it and let go, did you learn nothing from the game?

melodrama

That's a good thing though. That's exactly what all of FF stories prior to X-2 have been about and made it so popular. The melodramatic vibe.

ah yes, my very melodramatic ff1 where I go to cave to kill garland, then go to another cave to kill a litch then go to another cave to kill chaos

ff1

Who the fuck cares. We're talking golden era FF

Retards

Like why didn't the paintress make any attempt to communicate with the people of Lumiere through the Monolith text that she isn't their enemy and that real Renoir is the one responsible for the gommage, and she is just reducing the damage he can do? You would think with 67 years of expeditions sent to destroy her due to a misunderstanding that she would try to communicate with them in some way? Especially considering Maelle (who is much weaker) literally paints her own message on the Monolith during the camp scene.

Aline is not in a right state of mind. And the first and only time she communicated with an expeditioner who reached her it turned out a failure.

You would think with 67 years of expeditions sent to destroy her due to a misunderstanding that she would try to communicate with them in some way?

There was at least one expedition before 33 that discovered the truth about the gommage though

every woman is retarded

every man is sane and is trying to do the best for their safety

what did the french mean by this?

the Paintress conveniently perfectly redirects it to target only this one exact specific age group and only once a year. She only and exclusively kills that age group

No anon, Renoir is trying to wipe everything off the canvas and destroy it completely. Aline is trying to protect as much of it as she can. The decision to make her power to protect the residents tied to their age is a contrivance of the story but it's internally consistent. People of a certain age group aren't wiped out, it's EVERYONE over the age limit that Aline can protect. She gets weaker every year so she can protect fewer and fewer people. She's getting weaker because Renoir is taking the chroma of the ones gommaged and Clea is sealing away the chroma of the ones killed by Nevrons, which leaves Aline less and less to work with.

why she doesn't write anything to communicate with Lumiere on the monolith

The numbers on the monolith are how she is communicating with Lumiere. It's a sign that she is containing Renoir and a warning that her protection is weakening. Their misunderstanding of the message as a threat doesn't make it a plot hole. It's a good conflict.

You would think with 67 years of expeditions sent to destroy her due to a misunderstanding that she would try to communicate with them in some way?

She does communicate with at least one expedition, and Verso tries intervening on her behalf. The expeditioners think that Verso is betraying them. The Paintress boss fight also ends with her spending every turn healing and shielding your party. Your own direct encounter with Aline is her trying to keep you away from her containment of Renoir, and then her switching to keep you as safe as she can when she realizes she's too weak to win the fight.

why does she make zero effort to save those Maelle and Verso love from the gommage?

She is trying to save them all.

It's still never explained why or how this works.

It is all explained. You either skipped content or can't read.

List of plot holes so far, feel free to add your own:

even after 67 fucking years, Aline makes zero attempt to communicate with Lumiere that she is trying to help them rather than destroy them, and that Renoir is their real enemy.

Painted Renoir, Aline's ally (unlike the real one who is against her), makes zero attempt to actually communicate that she isn't the enemy, instead he mass murders the expeditioners and just invigorates them further.

the whole "painting people as invincible" is just total nonsense. Using more chroma to make them so they take more chroma to gommage makes sense, but invincible is just retarded

Renoir doesn't deliberately target members of her family, or at least even anyone close to them doesn't really make sense. Why killing thousands indiscriminately takes less power than a couple specific targets also makes no sense, even if it's easier to gommage older chroma.

On the other hand, if you say he has no power over targets whatsoever and Aline 100% redirects them exactly to her choosing, then why does she make zero effort to save those Maelle and Verso love from the gommage? She only and exclusively kills that age group regardless of how it affects her painted children.

why is the gommage so fucking delayed after the paintress dies? It happens all the way back when they finally reach Lumiere

Trannies still on suicide watch because the game features 0 alphabet subhumans

Hehe

ITT: OP wrong about everything, samefags own thread

clea tells you he can only manage to destroy her oldest creations once in a while and keeps the chroma

You've been replied to a million times you fucking retard.

pee pee poo poo story with nonense lore where people think it's high intellect but it's actually retarded

it's the men pushing nanny state philosophy

it's the women demanding self-determination

they decided to invert reality

Aline has no reason to communicate with anyone, she's there to be with her family and grief not help faggots that dont exist.

Gods don't need to play by mortal rules or answer to their requests they're doing things for their own personal reasons not so it makes sense to mortals

why does it take so long to gommage

Renior is doing them not the paintress did you even play the game? Esque also flys at a retarded pace it wouldn't had taken long for him to get back to Lumiere at all. Are your complaints all just bait or?

Her family isn't even with her faggot. And if she wanted to be happy with her family, she wouldn't kill those they loved, painted or not.

Renior is doing them not the paintress did you even play the game?

Yes, and why does he take so fucking long you utter retard, she's dead and not there to stop him, so why is he waiting all the way conveniently until they are in Lumiere

here are all these plot holes

literally not a single plot hole just anon being too much of a retard to actually think about the implications of his ideas

Every time

no valid explanations just insults and handwaving

Another mad shill kek

l-lmao u-ur mad

my complain - ending of act 2 is too stacked. whole second act I was not really connecting to the story because the game was deliberately keeping it really vague, and there were so many scenes where I thought "well I bet this interaction will make more sense later but right now it's gobbltygook" and then in a span of half an hour they reveal motivation of every character and main chunk of the lore, it all gets scrambled and I have no time to stew on specifics even if they are good. I'm playing act 3 and the story finally feel tragic for real and not just the game implying it constantly without saying anything. I wish it was all revealed earlier and more gradually.

There is, maybe, too much info held back for postgame. The big reveal at the end of act 2 is exciting but the fact that you don't fill in most of the gaps until after the final fight with Renoir and level up to 80+ then scour the map does make the story pace a little uneven.

that one expedition that just started building muscle, pushed passed the barrier by sheer force, SWAM across the ocean, and then the one guy swam BACK WHILE GOMMAGING to try and tell everyone the paintress wasn’t bad

all while not having the lumina converter

Some of the expeditions are vastly superior, wish we could see their journey.

don't understand the fairly straightforward story

reeeee PLOT HOLES

Many such cases

Don't forget that the guy that swam back was 60.

Except everyone is claiming clair 33 is good because it DOESN'T have any melodrama in it like "those icky anime RPGs".

I'm pretty sure expeditions always included volunteers younger than what the gommage would take

But it is funny to imagine a squad of roided out grandparents

The Golden era of FF was 1 to 7

So this is what video games have become.
People talking about """plot""" instead of gameplay or mechanics or anything other interesting.
This is basically an IMDB/Letterboxed discussion thread, where a bunch of people who didn't understand what they just saw complain about how there's something wrong with it.

How fucking tiresome.

Absolutely, especially the earlier expeditions, but the guy that swam back was explicitly 60 as he was gommaged.

The relationship between Real Renior and The Paintress is summarized in Fake Renior's boss theme.
youtube.com/watch?v=AeXdtz05Gqc

That's exactly what all of FF stories prior to X-2

Except 1-3, and possibly 5. The melodrama bullshit didn't happen until 4 and only started getting out of control with 6.

people discussing story in a narrative heavy genre

How fucking horrible. They should instead be discussing how braindead easy and exploitable the combat system is.

I hope Maele gets one of those SFM rigs all the horny boys can animate

clair 33 is good because it DOESN'T have any melodrama in it like "those icky anime RPGs".

No, it doesn't have cringe inducing anime writing and moeshit

This but Lune with a nice bush

you know anon is such a brainlet that he has to copy paste spam his shity understanding of the not difficult to understand story.

AIEEEEEE ALINE WONT COMMUNICATE!!!!

drink bleach