Last character you played as must beat Kira, can they do it?

merely being immune to the death note does not count as a win, your character must actually stop Light, else it's a win for Kira

destroying earth/japan/whatever and taking Light as collateral damage does not count as a win, it must be a conscious and targeted move at Light

your character can have outside help from their allies unless said ally is some sort of god capable of instantly pointing Kira's identity, because then there is no merit for your character

Well? Can they do it?

You're still doing this shit? Don't you have any hobbies or whatever? And you always go "erm nope" to almost every single post like a retard. Just fuck off and go get laid or something nigga.

Joker

This is just another wednesday for the phantoms

Do you still resent me just because I said that your favorite character can't solve the Kira case?
Winner.

I don't participate in these threads, I've only seen them from time to time and you just look like an idiot with too much time on his hands. Seriously, go play some video games or something, dumb faggot.

What was the last game you played?

Closer matchup than you'd think.
On one hand Ryu's name is a bit too well known for a ninja, on the other Kira has no reason to attack him before he makes a move.
And Ryu has access to a large network, there's ninja clans all over Japan that can track down Kira. Even killing Ryu wouldn't save Kira, since it would be basically impossible to name every ninja that would go after his ass.

There's also the fact Ryu is basically immortal and has access to magic shit, so he could not only protect himself against the Death Note, but also easily kill Ryuk and/or whatever powers the Note itself.

Could someone please! Tell me what the hell is going on?

Okay but how is a ninja going to tackle this case? The entire point of the death note is that it leaves no evidence behind. I don't see how ninjas could do anything other than off-load the investigation to a more capable detective.

It's Ninja Gaiden, they'd probably have some shit like "there's a strange magical imprint left on his death" or whatever. The series messes around with mysticism shit a lot

Rean Schwarzer and Class VII

Haha... they'll have their work cut out for them.

Ninja clans are known to be information gatherers, in the first game (reboot) you infiltrate a closed-off dictature that leaks basically no information to the outside world.
Granted, if the challenge is just Ryu vs. Kira, he has high chances of losing since Ryu is rarely the one gathering the information in the games. But as a leader of his own clan and with the help of other clans, I don't see Kira getting out of this one.

can see people through walls if they are a target and is good at finding out who his target is within a mission. Biggest superpower: does not have a name, as names are for friends.

my mmo character

he's ultra powerfull in canon by now but not an int based character and i'm also retarded so i guess...no :/

she's immune to the death note but i don't know if she can find him
maybe she can use Yorha tech to find him

But what information are they going to gather? Ninjas are primitive. They're useless here.
The Death Note doesn't leave magical traces, the person just dies.

baba solos easily

He can only see targets pointed by ICA, and Kira is more of an elusive target.

duhduhduhdeath note don't leave magical traces duh person just-

Shut up BITCH, my hero RYU WINS WITH EASE and RAPES BLIGHT YAGAYMEE before he even BLINKS.
FAGGOT.

Light could never learn the identity of the Paintress and she would kill him via grommage

You win
Realistically they struggled to find way more basic information in the game, but if we consider what a scanner unit like 9S is capable of on paper they should be able to do it.

I actually don't know.
I would have to assume the "Canon" WoL from FFXIV could realistically interprate how the Death Note works, but their skill set is more focused on "I'm going to fight this 200ft tall monster and not die" rather than detective work.

I doubt the Death Note could kill them since their life force is tied to Aether.

martyr from Beyond Citadel

Realistically she's too dumb and likely wouldn't give a shit by herself, and we have no idea of the Edelweiss's investigative/surveillance ability. But what happens if Light writes down the name of someone with thousands of clones? Does it just kill the active one, all of them, does he need to specify the clone number?

who is she

nisioisin.fandom.com/wiki/Kyouko_Okitegami

I was actually gonna propose Harry.
I really want to agree that Harry could do it, but I don't think he could unless Shivers applied to Tokyo instead of Revachol, or he got insanely lucky with a schizo/Esprit de Corps(since Light is a cop's son) moment after thinking about the heart attack phenomeon.

smarter + luck shit

easy

Miku will win. World is hers afterall.

OP what the fuck are you on about, 2008 was almost 20 years ago. Go watch newer Chinese cartoons

Yeah, I disagree with 90% of the list. The Kira case is one of the most difficult thought exercises in the history of fiction. The only reason it was even possible in Death Note is because L attacked Light's pride through the TV stunt and forced him to forfeit essential information (his location) that allowed the investigation to formally start. It is such an unlikely scenario that almost no detective in that picture would have any chance to even consider it, let alone replicate it. Also L has better execution as a detective than most of the detectives in that pic, even if on paper he has less solved cases or whatever.

The only realistic way to have a chance in the Kira case is with magic.

Kira doesn't stand a chance

The protagonists of Zenless Zone Zero would probably be able to.
They have a lot of connections with both the police, super secret FBI-type task force, and criminal underworld. Additionally, their connections to the above are secret (at least the police + underworld). They also do not use either their faces or their names when working as proxies.

I also need some context because for someone who claims to be autistically into this you aren't setting enough ground rules. At what point in the Kira case does this challenge occur? A good portion of your top left quadrant would only be able to solve the case if they already met Light (Columbo, Raphael Ambrosius Costeau, Mulder + Scully Layton, probably others) and would have 0 reason or in some cases jurisdiction to go to Japan.
How does 'magic' work in this setting? Is it the Deathnote world or is it the setting of the last game I played? If I pick Metroid is Samus suddenly on 21st century Earth?

You are a shitty game master.

The only realistic way to have a chance in the Kira case is with magic.

In that case I propose the most retarded solution available, accusing that "find Kira" is the Dragonborn's objective and he doesn't have anyone with Shinigami Eyes actively guarding him.

I disagree.
In order to solve the Kira case a would-be detective needs the following:

1) The resources/access to information to monitor all of the international news.
2) The ability to work anonymously
3) The resources/manpower to do surveillance

I think that Batman could solve the Kira case pretty easily and Sherlock Holmes probably could as well. MIB aren't fantastic detectives but they meet all three criteria and have alien tech that could probably just read minds or some shit to let them win as well.
Mulder + Scully would be able to do it if they have Skinner and/or Cancer Man supporting their investigation. Given how big a threat Kira poses to the bad guys in the show, I could see them allying with (or at least not burrying/interfereing with) the X-Files which I think would give them all they need to solve the case. Only problem is how public their names are so as soon as Light feels threatened he just kills them.

The picture is not mine, it's been going around for over one decade. I disagree with almost all of it like I said in >At what point in the Kira case does this challenge occur?
At the start, but L/M/N do not exist, in fact no other capable detective exists other than your character and their allies, otherwise any character could win by waiting for a third party to solve the case.

How does 'magic' work in this setting?

Your character can use magic. There can be common sense implementations in the DN universe like allowing anti-demon magic to target Ryuk. What you can't do is assume that the Death Note leaves "magic traces" when it kills someone, this is a gimmick that people try every single thread because then they assume people like Geralt can just "track the magic" (in fact someone tried that in this very thread)

Is it the Deathnote world or is it the setting of the last game I played?

Your character and whichever allies and structures can be useful to them are isekaid to the Death Note world

If I pick Metroid is Samus suddenly on 21st century Earth?

Yes

You are a shitty game master.

If I laid that many rules people wouldn't even open the thread

Frisk/Chara

Probably. Save point hax should make it easy mode and the death note wouldn't work on monsters.

Also yeah L took a huge gamble with assuming Kira had a similarly immature mentality as him. It's why I thought Harry might be a good choice since he shares some traits like delusions of grandeur and justice sometimes, in addition to his psychic magpie bullshit to give him starting leads.
But again it really depends on his starting circumstances. If he spawns in Slovakia with no government ID or whatever he needs insane luck.

I don't know about capeshit how smart is he?

I'd say that Kira and Death Note mechanics carry over to the character's setting, with Light having the most similar position possible to the one in his own setting. If there is no Japan, he is a foreigner from a friendly country.

I don't think they have anywhere near the mental capacity to actually flush Light out
like OP says, just being immune to the death note isn't enough, you need someone with serious intelligence and/or magical means of gathering information, and on top of that being immune to dying helps a lot

Something like say, the main character from any of the D&D/Pathfinder based games, if they're a wizard, could do it, on account of being superhumanly smart, having access to scrying and easy resurrection

It's more that they have infinite retries and retain their knowledge each time. Plus they'd have Alphys in their corner for spying and stuff

Literally the smartest person on the planet
But also has an incredibly public identity
But also, it's cape comics, he's come back from death a couple times and has like a billion contingencies in case he dies
He's also familiar with magic, even if he's unable to use it
You lucked out anon, he would solve the case, or at least, an AI duplicate he made of his mind would if killed

shinigami eyes

AHEM.

issue is here that Light would himself start to figure out the mechanics of their infinite retries, him being able to figure out mechanics of obtuse magical instruments is you know, his entire deal

Smartest person on the planet

Richards is a fool. DOOM is the smartest and mightiest person on the planet.

"solved" the new gen madness case, which is harder than the kira case

gigalomania

owari da kira

Every government and agency in the world have the capacity to do that. And in Death Note they all fold within weeks. It's just impossible. Trying to solve this mathematically is useless because there is nothing to distinguish Kira from other people. If you had an AI powered by a quantum computer that tracked internet traffic, international news and people from a database, it wouldn't be able to solve the case (assuming Kira took basic anonymity precautions on the internet, and considering Light knows how to hack the police he should be able to do that).

To solve this with strict logic (no magic) what you actually need is:

1) Extraordinary profiling abilities, capable of intuiting the Kira's emotional profile from the list of victims.
2) Outstanding social abilities, being able to manipulate, deceive, provoke reactions and get really deep into Kira's head
3) Access to a database of every person in the world, and the manpower to cross people out based on minute variables like occupation, the career of their parents, etc
4) Anonymity (obviously)
5) A shitton of luck and a truckload of high functioning autism

Sherlock Holmes could totally do it IF the government cooperated and gave him 3)

Batman can't do it, he's a retard that gets carried by his technology. He can't do 2).

pretty sure Doom would die before Richards to the hands of the death note unless he made a deal with Hel

Shinigami Eyes might just on account of TES metaphysical bullshit come back with "Akatosh"

they assume people like Geralt can just "track the magic"

Why can't they? Why is the Death Note not magic? If I'm playing a CRPG where 'detect magic item' or something similar is a spell, why would it work on a +3 flaming mace but not on the DN?
How motivated is my character to stop Kira? Dante/Vergil could 100% catch and stop Kira eventually given that the DN would not be able to kill them and, if either of them actually gave a shit would they would be able to track him down using various demon connections/powers/contacts.
If a client hired Dante to catch Kira he would be able to do it 100% unless you're going to pull out some bullshit like 'the demon realm and the Shinigami realm would be different things and none of the demons would know what a Shinigami is'.

Richards is tapping Sue every night, Doom gets a sad handjob by a Doombot
Tell me who's smarter

He wouldn't have the UT determination power so he wouldn't know when the loops happen. He'd just be flabbergasted at how his whole scheme is being unraveled with ease by a child and he doesn't seem the sort to entertain time travel despite having a magic murder book

Does the death note work on people that are already undead/non human in this scenario.

Bearer of The Curse

Beats Kira without ever knowing that he did.

well detect magic in most CRPG's only lets you detect stuff you're capable of seeing with your eyes
also if we're talking D&D based anything, the Death Note is an artifact, and those explicitly bypass a LOT of detection methods, you need seriously high level spells to figure out something is an artifact, and even high level ones to figure out where they are, and most CRPG's don't include those super high level divinations

Didn't Doom btfo RR by being the only one capable of saving their kid, naming her, and she basically views Doom as awesome?

Why can't they? Why is the Death Note not magic?

Because in the canon material it is not magic, people die "without a trace". And you can bring as much from your setting as you want, but you can't change the Death Note setting.

It would also trivialize the challenge for any character that wields magic, because wherever there is magic there's also magic tracking.

If I'm playing a CRPG where 'detect magic item' or something similar is a spell, why would it work on a +3 flaming mace but not on the DN?

The death note is not a magic item in the death note universe. In that universe magic does not even exist, therefore the death note is not a magical item, it's more of an artifact or a natural object

How motivated is my character to stop Kira?

Extremely motivated it's their #1 priority

Dante/Vergil could 100% catch and stop Kira eventually given that the DN would not be able to kill them and, if either of them actually gave a shit would they would be able to track him down using various demon connections/powers/contacts

I can see it but I can also see Light dealing with this in many ways if he can see it coming at least a few days in advance

He's solved trickier cases than that

gg ez

that one is special because it's one of the few times he gets one over RR
but remember that ending is notable, you don't remember all the times RR gets one over Doom because that is the default, when they intellectually spar, 9 out of 10 times, Doom loses out, so you remember then 1 time he comes out on top

This pattern of deaths reminds me of a puzzle...

no idea how but these bozos could probably do it

got one over on Doom

Doombot, doesn't count.

Say you have any ability that reflects any kind of attack and you go around publically saying you're going to defeat Kira. If he writes your name would it reflect back and kill him? If so I can think of a few characters that could do it.

see
there's usually differences between tracking magical items and like you said artifacts
There's also the bit of issue that a fair number of characters just flat out have the means to see Ryuk hanging out with Light which is a pretty big giveaway

In fairness that one time is pretty fucking critical in the nature of it compared to those other times.

Seeing Ryuk is not that big of an advantage. You'd need to hang around Light's neighborhood in the few times he is out of his house. For that to happen you'd need to have solved 99% of the case already. But yes I'll concede that if your character can get that close, they'll win instantly because they'll see Ryuk.

destroying earth/japan/whatever and taking Light as collateral damage does not count as a win, it must be a conscious and targeted move at Light

I mean last guy I played as was a Psychic Space Empire with virus bombs. That's the most targeted move I can make.

York being in bottom right is totally wrong.
The originator of this image said he put York there because he introduces his full name upon first meeting everyone. However, York is a split personality for Zach.
The Death Note EXPLICITLY notes that you cannot use the Death Note to kill someone in such a way that it kills other people unless you write their names down too. So Kira would be unable to kill York unless he also knew about Zach, which is pretty doubtful to happen considering York's face physically changes when he becomes Zach, and you need to know someone's face to kill them with the Death Note.

plenty of world domination style schemes have been blocked
those only seem mundane in the light of cape comics having one every week, but I'd not say stopping those is not pretty fucking critical

by the very nature of cape comics, villains need to win once, heroes need to win every time, so naturally villains get defeated far more

Also there's the entirely other direction to go in, in that every single time Richards ends up as a villain in an elseworld, he's far more dangerous and successful than Doom

the executioner librarian

I guess I would come out of retirement for one last job for the Bureau.

TECHNICALLY we don't know if the death note works on non-humans. The first rule states that "The human whose name is written on this note shall die", which according to strict logic does not exclude non-humans. There's also no sentient non-humans in the death note universe to even test this rule.

Logically speaking, the death note just summons the shinigami king's power to unlive something. And the shinigami king chose not to unlive fellow shinigami, but I don't see why he would care about your favorite character.

WITH THAT SAID, whenever I bring up this aspect, people fling shit at me and say I am tryharding in favor of the death note universe. And personally I have never seen the "immunity to the death note" variable making a difference in the end result. So sure, if your character is undead or non-human they're immune.

Still 0irahus, and like I said last time, Little Jate just can't pull it off despite his rather decent intelligence. He might suspect Light of being Kira if he slips up and does something stupid like he did in the manga occasionally, but the chance is absolutely miniscule and it's more likely Light plays him like a fucking fiddle with all sorts of misdirection due to abusing his total naivety.

I know I just mean world domination schemes are a dime a dozen in capeshit and there have been stories where Doom won in that way too. With the other there's no shrugging it off. Reed couldn't save his own kid while Doom did

Yeah, agreed. I thought about it some more and it basically only matters in the context that a character decides to get their name publically known or gets within eyeshot of Misa. Which they'd need to be really stupid to do anyway.

I honestly don't care about the rest, I'm just happy Columbo is at his rightful place.

there's the additional factor that a lot of those high level wizard types do have the means of observing a lot of places near instantly and looking around for supernatural stuff

going the reverse way of, track every Shinigami, see which one of them is fucking around with mortals, is genuinely a means by which more powerful magical characters would solve this case

it's kinda funny that death note COULD have solved this by Light, just to see if it worked that way, writing the name of a dolphin in it
And it would have been entirely in character for him in his megalomania to try it out

Reed would solve the case, but then he'd immediately take the Death Note and use it to become a worse Kira than Light ever was. Do not trust Reed with sources of mystic or cosmic power - he will always, ALWAYS abuse them.

World of Warcraft player character

Kira will run out of pages in the Death Note trying to kill a being that literally transcends death itself. Death is a minor inconvenience to the player in WoW (and really any MMO).

only alt-universe Reed would go nuts with it, main universe Reed probably rings up Strange with a "the fuck I do with this thing"

How do you even become a worse Kira than Light was? I've thought about this and forcing all of humanity to behave or die is just about the worst thing you can do, you're making people afraid of doing pretty much anything

The Librarian can probably solve the case just by total fucking accident without even being aware of Kira for certain since if they give out their name and Light writes it in the Death Note, there's a non-zero chance that a good portion of the Hours cause Light's house to go up in flames or something for attacking a member of the Watchman's Tree.

Monk couldn't

The scooby doo gang could

Explain.

Anyways...
Prophet of Regret from Halo Wars
We glass japan
The End.

I guess but what playable protagonist can do that?

The Lamb

Yeah, probably. Cannot be permanently killed, works for much a stronger supernatural entity who could point him in the right direction, eventually becomes a god in his own right and reshaping reality as he sees fit.
Only way Kira can win is by killing off his entire cult, but he can also indoctrinate more.

scooby doo gang has levels of plot armor only gag characters could have, the universe would bend itself in a pretzel to create a scenario in which it's possible for them to accidentally stumble upon Light right as he's busy having a god complex moment and actually listen in on his rambling

Sam heard of the Death Note before through some over convoluted anecdote that is never touched upon.
Max pinpoints Kira's location and whereabouts out of dumb luck and identifies Yagami based on their shared mannerism and a very obvious cartoonish clue Yagami overlook like his maniacal laugh.

depends on if you accept them only as playable in the game, or what their epilogues have them end up as
Because from cRPG's alone, you have several people who end up as epic level wizards or actual gods

Only as playable in the game otherwise what is the point

Rogue Trader

Does taking ownership of the Earth, turning it into a police state where no one can own anything, and launching brutal investigations on every individual present on its surface count as collateral damage? Would definitely have the manpower, since he has more people alive on his colonies than exist on Earth.

Harry would definitely succeed in the most schizo ass backwards way possible

The real question is can any of them do it?

Joseph could cheese it with Hermit Purple but technically he doesn't have that ability when he is a protagonist, but I guess he could support Jotaro. What about the rest?

gay ass nigga telvanni mage with 100+ levels in magical skilsl and enchanting

Hmmm, yes.

even so, the Pathfinder WotR protagonist, to take a cRPG protagonist can ingame be THE chosen one by the Supreme Goddess of death, creator of all psychopomps and gain levels of hierarchy where they would not just technically but factually be Ryuk's boss

I could see them tagging along L
And L makes the arrest

Now, let's find out who Kira really is

Light Yagami!!

I would had become the God of this new world if weren't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog

*Scooby Doo and L share a scooby snack as Light is taken away

I command you to kys lol

yes this was a game few know of

have the power to people from far away without leaving any evidence

still get caught

Light was a fucking retard, L was the genius making him his prime suspect almost immediately

How is he going to give the command without meeting Kira in person

Light wasn't a retard, he was prideful and willingly gave away his anonymity to lure L closer because he wanted to kill him personally. It's not stupidity if he is 100% aware of the risk, consequences and futility of what he was doing.

Actually I'm gonna flip this.

light vs. the imperium's invasion of earth

I think he might be able to stop it if he uses the 23 day action control thing to go up the chain of command and give himself more info on the Rogue Trader's retinue. I think that's the only way, but he might also screw himself if contacting his targets exposes him in any way.

If Ryuk counts as a stand then they all have a good chance thanks to 'Gravity'. If they are allowed help, then both Josakes could do it easily, regardless of if Ryuk counts as a stand.
Kira v Kira would be much more interesting.

It'd probably just lead to Light getting BLAM'd regardless even for an entirely unrelated reason

Superman

Job is done by the end of the day

Truth, Justice and the American way prevails once again

How the fuck does Yoshikage Kira have a chance against Light? They are on a completely different level, it's not even funny. Yoshikage could barely grab a sandwich from a high schooler. He spent the entirety of part 4 being bailed out by his ever-evolving stand.

just got done playing Columbo: The Game

yeah i think im good lmao

Young Joseph is such a fucking trickster, I have no doubt he could pull it off.

Yeah, he'd need to go through an intermediary at all times and have Misa around to kill anyone that enters his general vicinity. And he's still fucked if they decide to mass purge an entire region before he gets somewhere cushy via action controls.

I am pretty sure Joseph could even if it was by complete accident and luck

Last I played was a medieval fantasy game.
Without internet, television or mass media Light is severely limited in his powers since he needs their face and would be confined to a single town where everyone knows each other personally not through seeing pictures published.
At that point it is just a case of checking motives and a few house searches.

being bailed out by his ever-evolving stand.

That, and not getting caught. There are no stand users in Light's world, so they would both be able to kill without getting caught. Anyway, it's less if he could catch light, and more they would naturally end up in conflict, and it would be interesting to see how it would play out.

I don't think people understand how much of a genius L is. It's really only comparable to the original Sherlock Holmes specifically written by Arthur Conan Doyle. He runs leaps around Batman in terms of execution and actively fools the readers.

For example. If asked, I think >95% of the fanbase would say that Light and L were "friends". But L never considered Light a friend. He just pretended to do that because he wanted to see how Light would react to the concept of companionship. This was confirmed in an interview with the author. The entire scene where L washes Light's feet and says he was his only friend was all acting, and barely any people in the fandom even suspect this.

(Yoshikage) Kira wouldn't give a shit about Light.

Light wouldn't even know about Kira's existence. If he did, I don't think he would care. If he cared, he would 100% be able to solve the case within an afternoon, it's just a different ballpark. I mean for fucks sake Rohan solved it in 1 hour while looking at an album.

to be fair, Batman is supposed to be an L tier genius, the issue is mostly that L is written by someone with enough intelligence of their own to understand how smart people operate
Meanwhile Batman is written by a committee of retards

Last Character

Technically allows for TTRPG characters by wording of the question. I'll go with my last Played 5e Character, an immortal Lizardfolk Lich with a resting intelligence of 28.
Human teenager Light simply does not have a good enough wisdom score (16 if being incredibly generous to the kid, more likely 12 or less) , meaning he virtually fails most if his Wisdom saves (DC 28) against an attempt to scry "Kira" (+5, meaning only succeeding a save 5% of the time)
The lich planeshifts to an Exterior plane, followed by a Gate directly to the location in the Scry. Light is erased by a cantrip.

How could Ledouche know Kira's identity?

I can imagine you haven't seen your penis since you were five, at the oldest

Light without mass media is barely a threat.

having a Group of Friends makes you fat

Now there's an interesting assertion, but likely disproven by you.

It's really only comparable to the original Sherlock Holmes specifically written by Arthur Conan Doyle.

Absolutely not, have you actually read any of his work? The "deduction" gimmick which opens nearly every story only works because Doyle doesn't mention any of the necessary bodily data until the explanation. Knox's fourth was directly addressing the "swamp adder". Hell, by the time he makes up a school of far eastern martial art that he was trained as an expert practitioner of in secret, he's almost completely shed all the technical flaws described in Study in Scarlet and for all intents and purposes became the Victorian equivalent of Batman.

Geass

You will tell me the truth to any question I ask

Are you Kira or associated with him in any way

Kira reveals himself

Shoot him.

He could also just lure Kira with a broadcast like L did only instead decide to do a geass broadcast and make it so they either die or that Kira and his accomplices come forth to a sight where they can be dealt with.

the actual funniest thing is that House MD is better at being what people think Sherlock Holmes is, than the OG

Correct. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of characters that are written to be L tier, but how many achieve that in execution? I can only think of a few:

Sherlock Holmes from Arthur Conan Doyle

Akiyama from Liar Game (he is possibly better than L)

Possibly end of list.
I read all of his works. He operates in the same way as L in how he approaches suspects by pulling bullshit from thin air, but the way he deals with the suspects is very similar to L in that he gets into their head and fucks with them until they fold. It's not "fair" to the reader in the sense that it doesn't give you the same opportunity of solving the puzzle, but these stories never propose to do that, if you want to do that you might as well play Ace Attorney

(Yoshikage) Kira wouldn't give a shit about Light.

Not until Light is after him.

Light wouldn't even know about Kira's existence

I think he would find out while researching other criminals. Even if it's unlikely, just assume that he does.

If he did, I don't think he would care

I think he very much would. Even if he wouldn't be normally, assume Ryuk goads him into pursuing Kira.

he would 100% be able to solve the case within an afternoon

How would Light deal with Bites The Dust?

Rohan

That isn't half the same thing.

Last character you played as must beat Kira

Why? Light has suffered enough. Let me guess, you think Naruhina is consensual? You thought Digimon Adventure was never coming back? Go back to Anon Babble.

How would Light deal with Bites the Dust?

Oh so he can use his stand? Well it takes Kira a few minutes of extreme distress to develop this ability. Assuming he starts with it, he still needs some adrenaline to use it. If you kill him instantly (like with a heart attack) he can't use it.

one thing I'm confused about is the "If you write "dies from disease" and specify which disease but not a time of death, if the progression of the disease takes more than 24 days, the 23-Day rules will not take effect and the human will die at an appropriate time depending on the disease" rule, if you're able to be cured of the disease would the mean you beat the death note, since it just states you die *of* said disease

The Oblivion Protagonist would get outwitted by Charlie from It's Always Sunny

Papa Poirot.

An easy way of finding people on L's level in vidya or other game medium is looking at any system that has an explicit "Maximum stat a human can achieve" limit, and looking for characters in that system stated at or above said limit.

House is inspired in Sherlock Holmes so no I don't think that would be the "funniest thing", it would be expected that a derivative work would eventually outpace the original. With that said, like all other Holmes copycats, I don't think House is better than the OG under any department, be it detective performance or characterization.

Light keeps writing "Alex Yiik" into the death note and wondering why it doesn't work

Cool character, awful execution, Agatha Christie is a retard. Ten Little Niggers has one of the best premises of all time, but it's so disappointing in action that it's almost a crime.

Agatha Christie's a retard but the guy who believed infairies because he was fooled by cardboard cutouts is one of the greatest genius authors of all time, right.

hey autism-kun is liar game really as good as dn? i want a good mystery

it depends on what L tier is, actually having it be a detective is genuinely hard to think of characters written at that level by someone competent
However if it's more generic reasoning and scheming, Dune does a pretty good job at creating a world of intelligent schemers written by an intelligent person, with only the smartest coming out on top

They could catch Kira.

Correct.
Liar Game has low lows and astronomical highs. At its peak it is maybe the greatest "detective" story of all time and a must-read if you enjoy the genre. But it's not really a detective story or a mystery story, it's more of a cat and mouse story where the MC outsmarts other people in certain games of logic.

It is very comparable to Kaiji. But what bothers me with Kaiji is that most of its screentime is dedicated to board games like mahjong or poker. Liar Game prefers more practical games like musical chairs. Yes motherfucker that's right, musical chairs is like 5D chess, it is the best high IQ game of all time.

If you try to get into it beware that the very first game (where they have to steal money from each other) is kinda mediocre. But from the second game forth it's kino. In fact the second game (Minority Rule) is my favorite one because of how Akiyama solved it, but that's a very unpopular opinion in the liar game community, most people prefer musical chairs or that one airport game

How the fuck would part 4 jojo squad deal with this?

but the way he deals with the suspects is very similar to L in that he gets into their head and fucks with them until they fold.

What, no? That's Columbo. Half the time he doesn't even encounter them until the climax, and usually when he does it's by lying in wait with the authorities or a plan of execution. On at least one occasion I can think of off the top of my head- A Case of Identity, a read that's such a waste of your time that the solution is in fucking the name- he *never intervenes in any way* with the expectation that Mr. Windibank will just inevitably be given the death sentence for something, at some point in the future, probably maybe I guess.

Liar game is even more of a "trick" manga than death note is. It's about min maxing little puzzle games, the mystery is basically just a set-piece and not actually that plot relevant and if you're really stoked about the mystery the ending will be heartbreaking. You can see that the author had a lot of fun coming up with the tricks, but sometimes it feels almost self-indulgent with how what happening is kind of just lame and retarded. It does have maybe the funniest character in all of manga though, so it might be worth it just for that.

It's fun and pretty good, but will not scratch the same itch that Death Note does. The "stakes" also require a lot of suspension of disbelief. Every character could solve all their issues by just moving to Texas and shooting anyone who dares come on their property unannounced, in that way it's very Japanese.

It has a legendarily bad ending.

death note is fiction, it's completely unrealistic (although very convincing)

liar game is pure math, logic and game theory, it's what you learn in college and what corporations and politicians do IRL

Akiyama winning 4-player Minority Rule by revealing his vote is pure braingasm if you learned game theory in college, holy fuck

It would just somehow work itself out.

Could MacGyver beat Kira?

I'd argue the Payday gang could potentially discover who Kira really is by stealing the Death Note from the Kira Task Force's HQ.
Since outside help is allowed, they've got two hackers who could get into any secure database or stronghold. They've also got connections to the criminal underworld, the government, and their boss is also the US President. They're also well aware of the supernatural, since one of their last heists involves hijacking an ancient Mayan bodysnatching device.
Considering they've managed to steal from the White House, the FBI headquarters, military strongholds, and prisons either by sneaking in or assaulting them, the Task Force HQ might as well be a piece of cake to them. The hard part is definitely figuring out who Kira is, but since the gang were able to discover the identify of a guarded FBI mole, I'd reckon they could find Kira's location first by stealing and hacking the Task Force and police databases to deduce the possible location of Kira.

Basically the disease rules are outlined as follows

1 just write "dies of disease": any plausible fatal disease will work

2 write "dies of disease at this time": it becomes a disease that will be fatal in that time

3 write "dies of specific disease": they will get the disease and die at an appropriate time

4 write "dies of specific disease at a specific time"

A: If the disease takes over 23 days to progress and the time frame is over 23 days, it becomes case 3

B: If the disease takes under 23 days and the time frame is over 23 days, it breaks 23 day rule and thus becomes a heart attack

C: If the time written does not give the disease time to progress, it becomes a heart attack

We can reasonably assume treatments simply won't work.

Liar game is supposed to amaze you with the execution of the "tricks" to the point you stop caring about the overarching story. I didn't even care about the ending because that little manga had given me so much dopamine it could have ended in any way.

Let's put it like this: death note has a more convincing story, but the "tricks" are unrealistic and rely on the characters being stupid. Liar game has a less convincing story, but the tricks are 100% solid.

if you're able to get cured of the disease

You can't get cured. This is like saying "can I survive the death note if kira writes 'dies from a car accident' but I manage to dodge the incoming car that was going to hit me". You can't dodge it, you can't get cured, you're destined to die in the way that was written.

Only read Oriental Express. Half of it is just Poirot interviewing each character in succession. Awfully boring story telling. And even then half of the case he just stumbles through rather than actually deducing anything. I can only conclude from that that Poirot is a hack.

That's how every single story from Agatha Christie is.

I wouldn't say it's boring. They were fun to read. The characters were endearing, especially Poirot with his european mannerisms.

But the mystery is dogshit. It's 90% interpersonal drama.

Besides fingerprints, what other identifying information concerning the notebook would incriminate Light? Assuming we're somewhere in the middle of the series before the big first half climax. Seeing Raye's name there would likely be the biggest offender considering he relayed to everyone that he was in direct contact with Light but you'd need to dig deeper to actually incriminate him.

For starters Joseph with Hermit Purple can help. Remember the entire reason why he came to Japan was to get the identity of the electric guitar guy? I don't know why they didn't get him to help with Kira, it's probably the 5000000th araki brainfart of the franchise, whatever

Light wiped his fingerprints from the death note before handing it to Ryuk

The death note in the task force HQ is useless

Damn, Pretty good try though. I guess finding a loophole in the deathnote would end up killing the person anyway like what happened to Minoru when he tried to sell it,

Though I wonder if you're able to command people through using it, like how Kira was with those prisoners, Write someones name down, command them to do what you want then have them die, or does it not work like that

Yes you can command people that's one of the most basic applications of the death note. You can micromanage someone's actions for 23 days. Did you even watch until Raye Penber?

Verso

Will probably shout his name and demand Kira write it in the death note

truth be told last time I really watched it was 2012

another TECHNICALLY if you use the og Japanese writing it uses ningen which could also translation into person so if you can qualify as a person it might still take effect

TECHNICALLY aren't the original rules in english and the japanese version is a translation?

Oh shit it was nevermind then.

If a tranny gets a legal name change
Do you kill it by writing it's birth name or the new legal one?

how could shuichi (jobber) intuit the mechanics of the death note but not kyoko?

The thing about manipulating actions is that it has to be something that the person is both capable of doing and would be reasonable for them to do.
Within those parameters the most absurd it gets is the bus stunt but Light specifically wrote that with some vague language and if it seems implausible it's a one-off. Like while Light can exercise a good amount of control with the prisoner messages he can't get one to write "L is suspicious of the Japanese police" because that isn't a reasonable thing for the prisoner to write. He encodes the "L, did you know" message by having the prisoners write something that you'd reasonably expect someone fearing death to write.

Yeah, the tricks are the main selling point. That on the other hand can backfire if you get the trick early and have to watch chapters and chapters of buildup to something you already got and there's no surprise. Game theory is kind of a cliche topic for science youtube by now so a lot of people will not be as wowed by some of the tricks anymore if you're at all interested in science content. There's still some gems in there almost guaranteed.

||What really impressed me about Liar game was how they handled the stakes of the games towards the end and called the whole premise into question. If you have a big enough debt, it's no longer the debtor who is in a weak position but the creditor. That's some real shit and maybe the coolest trick in the whole thing.||

fully geared endgame Samus from Prime 3

Yeah, probably. Scans could tell the cause of death of any victims. The federation aurora units would deus ex machina calculate the culprit is in Japan from some context clues like L did. X-ray visor and scans would point out the death note in his pocket and maybe even make Ryuk visible.
After that, the helmet protects her from him knowing her face as she's gunning for him.

This is never canonically touched upon but I think it has to be the legal name, otherwise Light would fail to kill anyone that's married and this would be noticed.

Samus Aran is a famous bounty hunter. Light would recognize her and kill her instantly if she got anywhere near him.

Alfred, reprogram my Detective Mode Forensic scanner to install the Shinigami vision protocol

now fly me over some anti deathnote spray

lv 50

Probably one of the sirens just tracks him down and Zer0 assassinates him, or some other silly comical method of finding him

kira sees fear toxin batman

writes in his death note "batman"

it just works

The source material is intentionally vague about what makes for a "real name" because there's no reasonable way to define this, it operates on common sense. "Legal name" works for 99.9% of situations. If you start imagining a fictional character that is not born under any government, then who knows, the only certainty is that the death note will figure a name out for you.

Alfred, figure out who Kira is to me with computer sorcery and give me his exact coordinates so I can beat him down and get the credit. You have 5 minutes.

Kek this is why Batman has no chance. Everyone assumes Light would bash his head writing "Bruce Wayne" over and over, but that's not how Light functions. He would write every possibility, and Batman would probably be his first try before he even figures his identity as "Bruce Wayne".

If Sherlock Holmes isn't too famous for OP despite The Strand even publishing his face on a serial basis, that argument's probably not gonna fly.

Also since Scooby isn't human he is immune to the Death Note. ANYTHING not specifically human is immune.

We can give your character the benefit of starting anonymous, after all they're being isekaid into the death note world

If you go by that logic then it means that using a third party is fine and doesn't break the "you can't cause another person's death" so you could write, "Serial animal abuser Bob Petmurderer shoots the dog Scooby Doo then himself."

Scans could tell the cause of death of any victims.

Not really, she would see death by cardiac arrest or whatever other method was chosen for death. As for everything else it's a maybe. I don't know how much the aurora units would know about the death realm

TES IV: Oblivion

100% Reflect Spell

Simple as.

through an elaborate quest combining the supernatural buffed gadgets of Scarecrow hallucinogen, Joker virus, Rhas Al Ghul Immortality sauce (not even used), Batman has an NDE but comes back from the dead as a Jokerized Batman who just sees himself as THE BAT

he has psychologically lost it having much baggage after killing many aliens with the Justice League and becoming Batmurder of alien space

through this fortuitous BatWank Batman thus survives being killed by the Death Note writing in his true spiritual name

OP here and holy shit anon you're a genius. I never realized until now that being immune to the death note just means Light can order everyone susceptible to it to kill you. Immunityfags just got BTFO this makes them even more vulnerable because now Light can kill them without even knowing their face or name

batman becomes a shinigami and becomes the Bat Who Wanks

after raping the Joker, Hush discovers Kira's secret identity and folds under Batman after crying about being rich and poorly written

every Supervillain in Gotham pays Batman to save them from Kira

Kino

I don't understand the deal with her at the end
she calls light and he tells her she knows what to do, why did he make her write more names in the note before killing her?
and how did mikami writing her name fuck up light?

Reimu

b-but the rule say-

Don't care, Reimu wins every time

nevermind on the second question. I remember now

At least explain her bullshit power that justifies it.

"Agent 47, your target is Light Yagami, a high school student. Our client asked to reveal himself to you in order to assist you with this contract. His alias is 'Ryuzaki' and he will meet you at the Shinfuku trainstation. Be careful Agent 47 as other agencies have rejected Ryuzaki's offer or failed catastrophically"

you play as light trying not to be murdered by anonymous bald bar code super soldier clones by prompting pansy ass weak NPCs of innocent bystanders and mobs to protect you by signing their deaths as contracts for your survival

pirate guy from sea of theives.

yeaah uuhh... probably not

Reimu floats away from the deathnote, preventing the deathnote from killing her. Reimu wins.

Light could outsmart 47 directly he wouldn't need to sacrifice people

Pros:

Trained in stealth missions

Access to a global network of spies and information gatherers

Familiar with magical items

Eagle vision lets him discern friend from foe

Makes his own luck

Cons:

Not really that concerned with hiding his name or face

Kind of easily manipulated

From the 18th century

No, but he has more stuff in his favor than I expected when I started thinking about it

diablo 2 sorceress

She's smart, so maybe? Will getting close to light update the quest log?

Michael from GTA V? Yeah I think little Raito's fucked. Michael's not L, he's kill Raito just for being a dickhead hanging out with his son.

Honestly the funniest possibility

Reimu can just go to the shinigani realm and beat up the Shinigami King, who will point her in Ryuuk's direction

I just can't extend my suspension of belief into thinking it's even possible to notice that someone was killing all of these people with mind powers. People would just say it's a hoax or a curse.

Literally has no name therefore cannot be killed by the Death Note.

It's over.

But everyone believed it was a hoax or a curse or whatever. L is the only one who thought it could be a single person doing it. And honestly thats one of his most believable deductions. He just observed that the killings had several patterns. They happened in the off times of a wagie/student, they were always people whose names and face had been on TV, and so on.

Of course, Light was going out of his way to create a pattern because he wanted people to notice it and cult him.

Some of them didn't even correlate. I recall him connecting the bus incident to the other deaths, and it was not a criminal or anything. Freak accidents happen all the time.

You're misremembering. L never heard of the bus incident. It was Raye's wife that got obsessed with it because, well, it happened with her husband shortly before he fucking died of a heart attack.

In fact, I think the pattern's observable enough that it flips around to the other extreme. If Death Note started publication five years later, we'd be wondering why the internet hadn't narrowed it down to the same demographic by lunchtime.

can literally kill anybody he wants from the comfort of his own home with literally nothing that can be used to link it back to him, additionally, can magically manipulate people into doing most reasonably possible things he could want before they die

was paranoid enough about getting caught that he started preparations to throw off leads before people even knew about the kira phenomenon

literally on the back foot the entire fucking run of the series due to his own incompetence despite that

only manages to stave off detection for a time due to a combination of additional nonsense magic shit, having devoted followers who would literally die for him and also having magical killing powers, ryuk being willing to play ball and help him out for a while, and having an ungodly amount of luck

STILL FUCKING LOSES

I'm convinced that literally any video game character could beat Light, because despite being touted as a genius, he is functionally retarded. No matter how far he gets, eventually he will get the retard ball long enough to send somebody who is investigating the kira case a message like "Hey did you know that Kira's name starts with "L" and ends with "Ight Yagami?"

I could only think of Anon Babble posters being the type to think it was a person if something like this happened irl. People will do mental gymnastics to not believe in anything paranormal even when evidence is screaming at them in the face.

Not being caught was only his priority in the first 2 chapters

After the TV humiliation Light's life objective became killing L personally

I don't understand how retards still don't get that. All the information L obtains is Light purposefully doxing himself to attract L. And the same goes for the information Light gets on L. It's a cat and mouse game where they give away a bit of information more and more until someone can do a checkmate.

YES

All the information L obtains is Light purposefully doxing himself to attract L

That sounds like being retarded to me.

entire game is about figuring out people's identities

I think I got this

I was playing Minecraft, so... If Kira writes Steve... Does Jack Black dies?

Light would just randomly break down and lose all control

Lame. Was funny until there.

He literally does that though lmao

Yeah, the vast majority of these are "I like this character so they'd win!" logic.

Almost nobody on that list could solve the case. You'd almost be completely unable to solve the case unless Light considered you a rival, and even then you have to be willing to do extremely dangerous and unethical things.

If you do it anonymously then Kira won't consider you a rival and he'll keep killing anonymously.

At the very best you might be able to narrow him down to Japan but that's where the case goes cold.

Yes, when utterly cornered without any way out.

Someone just going "He's Kira!" wouldn't break him, L does that a dozen times before Light kills him and he handles each time perfectly. He faces down his own father saying that without breaking.

He would need to be near Light.
The issue with Deathnote is that Light could have gotten away with everything had he not be such a huge retard. He almost doxxed himself.

Anon Babble is full of a bunch of numbskulls that doesn't realize that brain is the true factor here and not brawn, and even brain can get you so far if you're famous. If you're Sherlock Holmes, you may the brain to figure it out but you're still dead because Light knows your name and face.

WoW character

respawn

check combat log to see what killed me and the source

get distracted in hunt for Kira by mining nodes respawning

get ganked and camped

It's hit or miss really

Light would outsmart and kill most the characters on the left before they could solve it. This is Light slander

There is this one story where the Riddler stops being retarded and beats everyone but what starts as a neat idea devolves into actual anime tier plot armor bullshit.
That version of Riddler could beat Light Yagami, get his deathnote and become an actual Godlike figure and succeed over L, the JLA and even fucking Darkseid.

People with huge egos are that petty.
Remember what happened between Empress and Skidrow?

Kirby.
I will not elaborate.

Oblivion

My character has never spoken his name to anyone.
Additionally, he has a quest marker pointing him to Kira's location.

I think Light is fucked.

and even brain can get you so far if you're famous

Actually I would say being famous is a requirement for even having a chance at the case. The only way to get Kira is making him interested in you to the point he forfeits information. Light could have ignored L's broadcast if not for him being the chief of interpol, because aside from L I don't think he ever killed people that taunted him

V1 from Ultrakill

lmao he just murders all the humans

Would the deathnote work on a robot? I can only see Connor finding out the case if he's immune to it, the sheer amount of the left like Wright, Layton, Sholmes, etc. would die because they're public figures.

The real problem is the whole Japan area setup isn't a thing most characters can pull off, and even then Kira has to bite the bait because he's a "god" not doing it would basically be saying he's not real and it was just coincidence.