Pearls before swine

better question: what the fuck is that touchpad on the left for?

more controls binding freedom

I just got a steam deck and holy fuck the track pads are sweet

you slide around on the face.

how do i set that up

Turn off full press, set haptics to full, dial in the activation zone (So you're not sliding to the end), dial in the dead zone.

because you are able to play your games with traditional controllers

No, you can't. Because the right analog is so fucking bad that the game plays for you. None of that is required if trackpads were standard.

what the fuck is that touchpad on the left for?

I've been using the left touchpad as a joystick for years now. Zero force required for movement. My thumbs have grown so weak that whenever I use a traditional controller they start to ache after about 10 minutes.

I've been using the left touchpad as a joystick for years now

how would you play something like metal gear rising

what the fuck is that touchpad on the left for?

I use it as a radial menu in old games that have item hotkeys.
Pic is with SC Controller but I'm pretty sure Steam has that feature too.

I have two. One that refuses to break and another I got for 5 bucks in case no. 1 breaks.

Where the FUCK is it Volvo????

analog stick has degraded into a slimy mess

The 8BitDo replacement sticks are a perfect fit.
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thanks 8bitdo customer support

Use this if you don't want to give them money
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nah it's okay i'll buy it

Ps5 Controller does it better.

The bumpers are cheap and feel bad.
The face buttons and stick were rushed and aren't particularly ergonomic to use.
I don't think the left trackpad is more useful than just having a better stick and Dpad, falling for the symmetry meme was a mistake.
Seems neat.
You really can't.
The trackpad is still not great at the task and the gyro picks up a lot more slack in the "looking around" department.
It's just a shame that referenced spatial tracking on controllers became almost entirely relegated to VR and even the Steam Controller 2 is just going to be another single-body design by the looks of it.
Actually aiming and pointing at things is pretty good with lightgun style aiming, it's just incompatible with the current way that games tend to handle camera controls.

In all ways except physical I am superior

Drifts and strips gears

The DS4 is still better.

did jesus really care about retarded material shit like pearls?

I really liked it too but there were some flaws like, the haptics were really loud, and the casing made it resonate so it sounded like you were holding a tin can. Also, the trackpad was so sensitive that if you just held your finger near it, it would actuate.

I don't think the left trackpad is more useful than just having a better stick and Dpad

bad faith argument like the rest of your post

Still use mine daily.
not for vidya, never for vidya, but it's fine as a keyboard/mouse replacement with my Steamlink.

The trackpad is still not great at the task

Great? No.
Better than analog? Absolutely.
Better than gyro? No.

It's just a shame that referenced spatial tracking on controllers became almost entirely relegated to VR

Hmm, a demo showing the effectiveness of this aiming style would be really interesting. There's probably a lot of interesting things you could do with this.

Better than gyro? No.

are you proficient with gyro? i'm curious about it

No, you wont catch me dead playing games that require controlling a POV with a controller.

third person games are POV retard unless you're legitimately talking about all POV games because dark souls on keyboard seems pretty dogshit

Yes, third person games are dogshit on controller too you retard.

i've bought my first controller at 20 after 10+ years of mouse and keyboard but LOL

They should cut it in half and make it two controllers for each hand.

You do realise camera locking onto enemies exists because of how shit controllers are, right?
That's not a problem on PC you fucking moron.

That's not a problem on PC

and it's not a problem on console either because there's games made for controllers that account for that
there's no analog or directional input on pc whatsoever good luck playing a racing game on mouse and keyboard

I just don't think the trackpad performs very well as a replacement for a stick or a DPad, having tried it in the past.
It sort of works, but it's not the most comfortable and I prefer to use the DS4.
Yes, it is more useful in situations where you wouldn't use a stick or Dpad, but those are kind of rare. If they were going to compromise and include a stick while hinting at a fake Dpad anyway, then they should have just minimized the left trackpad's size instead of making both trackpads identical.

Hmm, a demo showing the effectiveness of this aiming style would be really interesting. There's probably a lot of interesting things you could do with this.

The Portal Sixense demos do this (albeit with the Razer Hydra that never went anywhere due to its cost and motion control fatigue at the time), but as far as I know the support for more modern VR 6DoF controllers in flat games is basically non-existent.
Aside from that the Wiimote still exists, but that controller was also compromised in other ways, so to my knowledge it never really developed good camera controls over the course of its lifespan.

Make it two controllers for each hand

So 4 controllers total?

as a replacement for a stick or a DPad

it's a replacement for mouse you fucking moron
i'm obviously talking to a console faggot i can't expect to see anything except bad faith arguments but good luck playing tf2 on a controller you moron

I liked it, but no vibration, and it only took AA batteries, which inevitably leaked in mine.

and it's not a problem on console either because there's games made for controllers that account for that

It is a problem on consoles because the control scheme is designed for the lowest common denominator, which is why they have target locking and auto aim.

there's no analog or directional input on pc whatsoever good luck playing a racing game on mouse and keyboard

Racing wheels are better than controllers for racing games, which means controllers have even less value. Thanks for bringing that up.
Controllers only exist for mass distribution and portability. They're a compromised input.

dark souls on keyboard seems pretty dogshit,

That's mostly just because the game is designed like shit, just like most PC ports.
They flirted with designing actually functional controls for PC on DaS2, but they ran into a whole slew of problems with that game.

because there's games made for controllers that account for that

Most games make massive compromises for this.
Unless you specifically swap the typical layout, the left trackpad doesn't handle mouse controls in most games, that's what the right trackpad is for.
The left trackpad maybe controls the mouse in some RPGs or RTS games if you map it to specific areas of the screen, but for most games it doesn't.

Best controller. Where is the steam controller v2?

Unless you specifically swap the typical layout, the left trackpad doesn't handle mouse controls in most games

blatant and utter lie as well as completely retarded assumption of inability to change layout somehow it just shows your bad faith yet again this is just not true have you even used it at all?

That's mostly just because the game is designed like shit, just like most PC ports.

let me rephrase this for you

i dont like dark souls and never played it

ok, i do
i also like witcher games and metal gear and zelda

Most games make massive compromises for this.

such as: uh oh
and what is the problem with target locking in dark souls

Racing wheels are better than controllers for racing games

this is debatable and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about
racing games are unplayable on PC and they're fine on controller
bad faith argument and if keyboard is 20% as good as wheel then controller is 80% which is not equivalent and a complete fucking embarrassing logical error to make

They're a compromised input.

as is keyboard and mouse for games made for controller

lipstick on a pig

turn the monitor on

Steam Deck

minus screen

bigger trackpads

Literally everything I've been wishing for since I first got a Steam Controller and hated the lack of real d-pad and right analog stick.

right analog stick

that's just normal gamepad dumbass

Shame about the stick placement, though.

where would you want it? i got used to it in 20 minutes

The D-Pad and stick should swap. Then it's perfect.

Yes, that's what the Steam Controller always should have been. A normal controller with EXTRA features (track pads, back paddles, gyro) instead of a gimped controller with REPLACED features. Whoever thought a trackpad could be a complete replacement for a d-pad was fucking retarded, plus the placement of the stick and buttons makes them fucking SUCK DICK to use. The Steam Deck is what the Steam Controller should have been from the very beginning, and I'm still mad that I can't buy a Steam Deck style controller without the screen and PC parts.

just buy xbox controller

pearls before swine

just buy xbox controller

That doesn't have track pads, back paddles, or gyro you fucking retard.

I had to sell mine, couldn’t tolerate it.
If you’re trying to play very old PC games from across the room, then I can see it being useful and worth getting used to. But if you just want a normal controller, it’s awful. 2D platformers are a complete non starter.

ps5 controller has all of that fuck off

You said Xbox controller, not PS5. And no, the PS5 has only 1 touch pad and it doesn't work the way the Steam Deck's do, it's just a glorified touch button. Also, PS5's stick placement is gay as fuck, almost as bad as the original Steam Controller's stick placement.

Being someone that always plays ranged stealth, preferably sniping, I found the sensitivity to be just what I wanted.

He means the sensitivity of the capacitive touch, not the sensitivity of moving with it.

and what is the problem with target locking in dark souls

It locks your camera, it takes control away from the player. It exists because POV control on analog is garbage. Being in complete control of your character and camera is objectively better.

this is debatable

It's not debatable and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. If you're playing a sim racer, you play with a wheel. If you're playing an arcade racer, keyboard works fine.

racing games are unplayable on PC and they're fine on controller

Tell that to the trackmania community you fucking moron. You're clearly out of your depth here.

bad faith argument

Just because I made a compelling argument you have no retort for doesn't make it bad faith.

as is keyboard and mouse for games made for controller

Yes, exactly, games made for controller. A compromised input.
Keyboard and mouse grants you full POV control while giving you a wide range of actions. Mario 64 would play even better on keyboard and mouse if it had full POV control instead of the compromised camera controls it currently has.

Being in complete control of your character and camera is objectively better.

objectively......because i say so!

proof? give me a number to mr. object i'll call him and ask myself

If you're playing a sim racer you play with a wheel

false, there's much more people playing dirt rally or forza on controllers than on wheel
also it's ad populum argument

Tell that to the trackmania community you fucking moron. You're clearly out of your depth here.

trackmania is a game designed around compromised input and doesn't have mechanics a proper racing game requires such as analog throttle

Just because I made a compelling argument you have no retort for doesn't make it bad faith.

Just because I made a compelling argument you have no retort for doesn't make invisible
you forgot to read

keyboard is 20% as good as wheel then controller is 80% which is not equivalent and a complete fucking embarrassing logical error to make

Keyboard and mouse grants you full POV control while giving you a wide range of actions

except analog triggers, or more than 8 directions, or analog movement, or gyroscope

Mario 64 would play even better on keyboard and mouse

with 8 directional movement? lmao

your assumption that games are inherently better if you can move camera is false, not every game needs a camera or accurate camera movement

Bought one in the firesale and finally started using it in the past half year or so. It's nice once you get kinda used to it.

proof?

Sure, if there are multiple enemies on my screen I simply rotate my camera to face my target. I don't have to detach, I don't have to lock. I'm completely in control of my characters camera and its utility at all times without the game holding my hand because analog is garbage.

there's much more people playing dirt rally or forza on controllers than on wheel

How fucking retarded must you be to think because most people play that way that its the best. I already stated controllers exist because its extremely portable and versatile. That doesn't mean its the best.

trackmania is a game designed around compromised input and doesn't have mechanics a proper racing game requires such as analog throttle

Yes it does you clueless retard.

Just because I made a compelling argument you have no retort for doesn't make invisible

Because only a moron would make such a blunder of an argument. World records on trackmania are pretty much split between controller and keyobard. Some racing telemetry showed the way people actually race on controller is no different to keyboard because even top level players just max out the axis or tap it for the same effect.

except analog triggersor more than 8 directions, or analog movement, or gyroscope

None of these have any real world value. If they did, compfags would be using them in tournaments for an edge. Fact is, 8 directional movement with a modifier for speeds is objectively better than analog movement because it gives you guaranteed control.

with 8 directional movement? lmao

Yes, you fucking moron. Your lack of any reason why it wouldn't work speaks volumes. 3D platforming on keyboard and mouse is better than controller when the player has full control of the POV.

bump

I play Isaac with left trackpad+right trackpad

if there are multiple enemies on my screen

this is not proof that's a strawman, there aren't multiple enemies on your screen, you made that up i never mentioned it, it proves nothing that's just you making up a scenario in your head that's not how proofs work, it doesnt work like that in math or in law interpretation

How fucking retarded must you be to think because most people play that way that its the best

that's your argument

If you're playing a sim racer you play with a wheel

and this is my response

it's ad populum argument

Yes it does you clueless retard.

no it doesnt, it takes 15 seconds to check you are just fucking dumb but feel free to prove me wrong

World records on trackmania are pretty much split between controller and keyobard

trackmania doesnt utilize analog input for throttle control

top level players just max out the axis or tap it for the same effect.

steering axis not acceleration axis because trackmania doesnt have it you fucking moron

i was never talking about trackmania because it's a windows game designed for flawed input device which is keyboard
sim-arcade racing games are unplayable on keyboard and best performing players use either a wheel or a controller
you don't know what youre talking about, you're using a cherry picked game and you don't evne know how it works, this is not my argument youre arguing with a strawman, i said forza and dirt rally
how do you play dirt rally with a keyboard and mouse?

None of these have any real world value

this is false, but i've never played bing bing wahoo because i'm not american so i dont care, i never mentioned mario 64 that's your example so i won't defend it, but you can't prove it's true because there's games that utilize it

hmmmmm looks...supisoucly good

Would free throw my xbone elite controller into the trash if they actually made this fucking thing.

Retards literally cannot accept anything which is slightly different to what they're used to.
There are genuinely "gamers" who will use nothing but generic xbox-shaped controllers ever and think they're actual people who deserve to be taken seriously.

supisoucly

this says a lot about society and human psychology

do we know if it has pads on the back??

yeah slupislupy

this is not proof that's a strawman, there aren't multiple enemies on your screen,

So every third person game has exactly one enemy on your screen at once? You're actually retarded.

that's your argument

Not once have I said because something is popular its the best.

sim-arcade racing games are unplayable on keyboard and best performing players use either a wheel or a controller

You play racers with a wheel. If you aren't, you are objectively a retard.

how do you play dirt rally with a keyboard and mouse?

With an analog keyboard you brain damaged fag. Not a controller.

but you can't prove it's true because there's games that utilize it

I literally posted a webm of 3d platforming when you control the POV you giga retard.

It would have the same 4 as the Steam Deck. Which might be the reason for Valve to be cautious and taking their time. Last time a Microsoft funded patent troll with a crude doodle of an Xbox controller torpedoed the Steam Controller.

What's the best PC controller? I just use an Xbox controller.

same

but the analog stick has degraded into a slimy mess

Mines fine.

Steam Deck

We really are all stuck waiting on a Neptune layout controller.

So every third person game has exactly one enemy on your screen at once? You're actually retarded.

you cant prove a hypothesis by finding variables that satisfy it i.e. there's games for which that isn't true that's basic logic

Not once have I said because something is popular its the best.

well i dont see your point then
controller = bad because wheel is le good? that's non sequitur and irrelevant, controller is good and viable for racing games, i might as well call mouse shit because drawing tablet is arguably better than mouse for osu!
also i see you've completely given up on trackmania argument

If you aren't, you are objectively a retard.

The psychologist's fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when an observer assumes that his or her subjective experience reflects the true nature of an event.
you've done that twice btw
you completely dismissed the existence of semi-arcade games like forza

With an analog keyboard

youre moving goalposts and you know it, analog keyboard are nonstandard and never were, if you want to go by this logic switch 2 joycons function as a mouse

3d platforming

i havent watched that
that looks like quake not a platforming game

my job here is done

I want this so bad
Give it to me NOW valve

Oh, it's one of these kinds of retards
Everytime I see a motherucker playing 3rd person action games on mouse and keyboard I have a laugh to myself
So stuck in your ways. The very idea of ergonomics and comfortable use passes miles above your heads.

Don't underestimate the steam controller. I agree it needs more refinement, but its already able to replace the dpad, joysticks/mouse, and face buttons.
It takes a bit of getting used to and worst of all you need to have steam running to get the full benefits of the controller- which also means not all games can make use of the layout.
Once you've gotten a good config you can use the right touch pad as the mouse and facebuttons. The key is setting up the track pads as face buttons activated by touch with no need to use the touchpad button. use haptics to for physical feedback. then you can add a mode shift to active mouse at the center of the pad.The left pad, I usually use for left joystick or wasd. I use the joystick as a dpad or a radial menu with dpad depending on game.

you cant prove a hypothesis by finding variables that satisfy it i.e. there's games for which that isn't true that's basic logic

Pretty much every single third person action game designed around the limitations of controllers has a camera lock. This exists specifically because controlling the camera, character and utility is shit on a controller. This is specifically due to limitations of a controller.

controller = bad because wheel is le good? that's non sequitur and irrelevant

Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. I'm giving you specific reasons why the controller isn't the best at anything. Controllers are a catch-all, designed specifically for mass adoption and portability. There are severe limitations I've demonstrated directly cause games designed for them to play worse.

that looks like quake not a platforming game

You're a fucking moron.
I get free control of the camera while performing every action. Meanwhile, you're either locked onto one target or constantly adjusting the camera with a shitty analog stick. Controllers are trash, designed for cattle.

How high of a skill level do you think you need to manipulate the camera in an action game? What kind of shit are you doing?
I'm not going to argue that you're wrong because you're not, obviously a mouse is better at quick, accurate camera movements. It's the obvious choice for shooter games because they require that.
But playing a souls game, or anything of a similar vein? Are you under the impression every game requires high level source engine movement tech or something? An analog camera control is far more than sufficient, if you bother to even try to get good with it. And you don't have to hunch over your desk giving yourself scoliosis and carpal tunnel to use a controller. And now with gyro integration you can get mouse like speed and accuracy with the comfort of a controller.
Obviously I still play certain games like mmos, arpgs and shooters with mouse and keyboard, but most things I play with a controller. I played through all of re4 using gyro aiming and it was great, and I got to do it from my couch next to my wife.

How high of a skill level do you think you need to manipulate the camera in an action game?

It's nothing to do with skill, it's about being in control. With a controller, you're fighting the controls, the game provides solutions to problems that "help", but they take away your agency. With keyboard and mouse, there's none of that. I'm in complete control, I don't need help.

I think you might just be bad with controllers then because I never feel like I'm fighting the controls. Not even a little bit.

Please, read the whole fucking post or don't bother responding. Its at the cost of your agency. The game is playing itself for you. You don't feel like you're fighting the controls because its playing itself for you. You disable those solutions, the game plays even worse on controllers. The solutions aren't required on keyboard and mouse.

Idk I play souls games, monster hunter and so on without lock on all the time and don't have any issue, doesn't feel like I'm losing any agency to me
I think it might be a skill issue desu

So, I fucking hate the plus indent on the left pad

I've tried spending hours getting used to it, I just can't. The trackpads are a great mouse replacement, but they absolutely do NOT replace buttons or the d-pad. I assume you're a zoomer who grew up on touch controls on phones, because I can't imagine any other way that you'd be okay with that shit.

Idk I play souls games, monster hunter and so on without lock on all the time

This retardation exists because of people like you.

I don't ever wanna use a controller with a touchpad again. Am I the only one that hated the Steam Controller?

this guy gets it

Why change something that's perfect?

like a pro

can't even access the d-pad while moving

at least pick a controller that supports the grip

Man, you'd hate me. I use everything that feels familiar. Why would I force myself to learn how to use something uncomfy?

are you retarded?

I still regret not buying one of these
It was 80 CAD and I didn't have a use for it at the time but now "I wish my PC were in another room" comes up so often and the only official option is a fucking app

No, I hold the controller as God intended.

To make a great controller you don't need to reinvent the wheel, just to improve it. Removing features to just replace them with something similar that yet is not is stupid

i dont want something new

then buy xbox controller

Gabe, hire this man.

why the controller isn't the best at anything

did i claim otherwise? my claim is that it's better at some things than m+kb

This exists specifically because controlling the camera, character and utility is shit on a controller

why is that a feature? if i dont have to control the camera i can focus on something else like parrying in metal gear rising

I don't like clawgripping very much myself, and will agree with you that it's something we shouldn't have to do, but it's easily solved with back buttons.

Asymmetric sticks are shit. Also lack of gyro, and adaptive triggers. Dualsense edge is the only controller worth buying nowadays but it's retardedly expensive, has no hall/tmr sticks and the rubber grip comes off with time. The USB port on mine is breaking as well, and I don't want to spend 200 bucks for another controller...

My friend got one of these and while they sucked fucking ass for playing fighting games (yes this fucking faggot gave me this controller for fighting games it reminded me of childhood with Matcatz controllers), it worked just fine for other shit. I almost wanted to get one myself but never got around to it.

They are unironically the best trackpads I have ever used. The haptic feedback is fucking magical, I do think it's the absolute best thing you can get aside from a mouse itself.

then buy ps5 controller pig
case in point

hue hue

Asymmetric sticks are shit. Also lack of gyro, and adaptive triggers. Dualsense edge is the only controller worth buying nowadays but it's retardedly expensive, has no hall/tmr sticks and the rubber grip comes off with time. Furthermore, the USB port on mine is half broken, I don't want to spend 200 bucks on another one...

I love this thing and lament the day mine breaks and I'll have to deal with some ebay scalper. The sheer versatility is insane. I use it at my desk, in bed with the steam link, on the tv and the couch. doesn't matter what game I throw at it I can usually crank out a config. Turn the config into a template and use it for a similar game. Touchpad+gyro+paddles+two stage triggers+on the fly conditional remapping. Gabe was really big brained on this. It's a shame it skill checked too many people. I guess you have to be a little autistic to really appreciate how ahead of it's time this was.
for Elden ring I had the left trackpad control the camera, which then had a mode shift where if I pressed a direction it acted like the d-pad. if I pressed the middle it was the regular right joystick. I had it so I could flick the controller in a direction and instantly activate the quick pocket items like the horse. I'm worried that even if I buy more to keep in storage time will still wear away at the rubber or other bits

I just soldered hall sticks into my ds4 for the actual perfect controller (nearly, still no back buttons without the attachment that makes the controller too bulky for my taste)
You can make it usbc as well but I just got the Bluetooth dongle and a charging stand so I never bothered to do that.

wanted to play RE7 with this

the game doesn't support using the trackpad as a mouse

the game doesn't support using the trackpad as a mouse

steam input literally does?

It doesn't support mixed inputs simultaneously, which is the most niggerly thing you can do as a developer. It's the easiest, literally no effort way to let your game support alternate camera controls like track pads and gyro.
I'm looking at you Bethesda, you fucking niggers.

You disable those solutions, the game plays even worse on controllers.

I've done exactly this without issues. Some games work better when you bind the analog stick to mouse if you also want to use gyro, so I end up essentially playing the game with keyboard and mouse style on a controller. Sometimes I still get analog movement and context sensitive buttons and other times the full binding is to mouse and keyboard. You may be able to measure performance from a control method, but the feel is subjective. I personally think the inferior method is better because I like the way it feels and I simply don't care about performance. It works well enough I don't have to think about it or have it feel cumbersome. The limitations I feel are only limitations of myself.

So long as it has analogue triggers and a couple back paddles I'm in.

oh I see. can't you just bind the trackpad to the right joystick?

Sure but then you're aiming like a joystick, which isn't the point. You want trackpad/gyro aiming for that mouse level speed and precision in first person aiming.

I don't usually use the left touchpad as a dpad. It depends on the game, l4d for example, I can use the joystick as a dpad (or radial menu) and it works well. I admit that is not a solution for all games, like fighting games. For 2d games, I haven't had much issues with the left
touch pad, though I'd like to see improvements to the tactile of the pad to help with aligning your fingers.

don't be closed minded. Touchpads are fully capable of replacing joysticks. The fact controller users have to extend the height of their sticks for greater precision is a sign of the joysticks limitations, limitations which are not there with touchpads. btw steam controller touchpads are hardly comparable to your phones touchscreen, especially in ergonomics.

Touchpads are fully capable of replacing joysticks

They don't need to, THOUGH

yeah i gotta admit, it was good but i just felt compelled to find the perfect configuration before playing any game

I forgot to mention, face buttons are absolutely doable. the right touchpad on l4d for me is able to move the mouse, reload, interact, turn flashlight on and off, scope in, and do a 90% turn all with taps. the haptics help a lot too. The issue with the actual face buttons is that I have to move my finger away from the touchpad, meaning I can't aim while doing the same actions. when I used to play on x360, I had to play claw. not anymore.

Still have mine. One of the best built controllers I ever bought. Just couldn't adapt to the flat pad though. The response of the buttons and feedback of the pad was pure bliss.

I disagree. Consider all major fps games on console rely on aimassist. Even simple things like inventory management.

Frankly, I think we need to move towards vr style or joycon style controllers all around. Move away from joystick and go all in on touchpad + gyro. Nintendo totally had a vision with the wii too bad they were limited by the casual audience they wanted.

Anyway, the left touchpad is also pretty good in beamng telling me they can do anything a joystick can but better.

gaystation thumbstick placement

Really hoping this isn't the one.

when the FUCK is gabe gonna release it???

mine is fine for the moment. I hate rubberized analog sticks because solvents from lotions or even hand soap coupled with normal oxidation will break down the material over time causing that. The trackpads will never have that problem. It isn't even supposed to have the analog stick, that was a half measure like the N64 controller - too ahead of its time for retards. New one needs to be modular like the Xbox elite controller but not lacking features, give it rumble, keep the voice coils, good to go.

Thankfully, you aren't in charge of anything. VR sucks and joycons are some of the worst controllers ever made and only fit the hands of children and people who have hands shaped like girls. Touchpad is just yet another gimmick, and the only useful part is the mouse emulation. I see the people in this thread who say touchpads are a net positive talking about how they have to circumvent the dpad necessity to have any practicality. My dude, if you have to do all that, it's not a good controller, you're just making excuses for it.

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