What the fuck is wrong with Bethesda?

Bethesda seems like it's run by really, really out of touch retards.

This, but Obsidian was in free fall back then so this was a rare good call from management.

Nobody cares about NV besides handful of social misfits. Even trash like 76 is more popular than NV

implying Bugthesda gives a shit about TES lore

mad max rip off

no vehicles

wut
not true at all. New Vegas has a way stronger following and it's a single player game that's 8 years older.
it really is as if the vehement anti-New Vegas posters just haven't even played the game.

Todd has a massive ego and to this day hasn't come to terms that the best Fallout game ever made wasn't made by Bethesda.
Can you fucking imagine how massive it would be if he remastered NV instead of Oblivion?

He fucking hates NV because it shows that if anyone else tries the Bethesda formula, they shit all over Bethesda. We're starting to see it more and more with games like Cyberpunk or KCD2, which aren't quite fully open world sandboxes like Bethesda games, but they completely blow Bethesda games out of the water in every department.

Todd only managed to avoid killing himself over FNV mogging FO3 because he had the teensiest bit of emotional distance. If Obsidian had also made the best Elder Scrolls there's no way he would have coped.

They know.
Fallout 76 and Starfield were both laughed at by the collective world.
Fallout 4, whilst selling well, had no staying power and is completely forgotten about.
Their new TES game will bomb hard, and Bethesda will go back to the situation they were in when they released Daggerfall. Daddy Microsoft is gonna say 'hey if the next game doesn't sell dozens of millions, we're closing your ass down'.

Imagine being this mentally ill that you have to spam multiple posts about how some millionaire game developer who hasn't thought about a game since he signed off the paperwork to have it made twenty years ago is actually pulling the strings behind the scenes to orchestrate a smear campaign against it.

How long do you have?

Bethesda has remained pretty similar throughout the years, aside from some writing staff. it's part of the reason they suck ass. One thing that's been consistently fucking bad about all their games is animations, every single Bethesda game has some of the worst animation work you'll see in a AAA studio.

It's very much an old boy's club, Todd just keeping the same people around despite them being incompetent, and it's been catching up to them.

They don't want ESO and 76 to stop making money obviously.
While Obsidian can go on making some more flop titles like Avowed and Outer Worlds 2.

Todd has a massive ego and to this day hasn't come to terms that the best Fallout game ever made wasn't made by Bethesda.

True, Bethesda will never top FO1.

New Vegas has a way stronger following

Yeah by terminally online social misfits. Just because a game has few hundred online schizos who made it their entire personality doesn't mean it's popular.

Their new TES game will bomb hard

Imagine believing this.
It's like saying GTA VI will bomb hard.
I hate both Bethesda and Rockstar, but those games will be massive with normlfags, and there's no point in claiming otherwise.

new vegas is garbage anyway so thank god they didn't accept this offer

What the fuck is wrong with Bethesda?

1. Obsidian collapsed immediately after New Vegas, and became shit
2. Bethesda had ESO on the way, so there was no reason to make a second side game

guys bethesda aren't petty retards

history consistently shows them being petty retards

hell even recently
you think, all these years, and an oblivion remaster that took at best 1 year to make since it's literally just reworking assets, JUST so happened to release when a huge modder project doing the exact same thing is prepping to release? Yeah, just a coincidence, right?
Of course not. They saw the project was getting onto it's last stages, and said 'oh we'll just pay some retards to do our own remaster and launch it before they do, so when they release, nobody will care because they only just barely finished playing oblivion'.

why doesn't obsidian make original titles and then they can make as many sequels as they want

there's already so much stupid shit in TES you might as well have one game be interesting before you time-travel-magic it away

Fallout 1 and 2 are just as bad as 3 and 4.
Your nostalgia just blinds you. They're legitimately really shitty crpgs.

ESO absolutely ruined TES

Let me ask you this.
Do you think Starfield bombed of the empty planets?
Or did it bomb because it was literally completely creatively fucking bankrupt and not a single NPC or quest in the game are memorable in any way, shape and form?

Why do you think switching to a different IP will magically stop that same thing from happening?

they did, they made Avowed and Outer Worlds, all suck ass.
Obsidian has nothing to do with the company they used to be.

ESO absolutely ruined TES

One of THE most successful MMOs in existence.

NTA but the next TES won't bomb.
Not because it'll be good or anything, but because everyone is still on full copium over the TES franchise, mostly helped by Bethesda just re-releasing their games again and again.
We've been hearing it since Skyrim, everytime a Bethesda dumpster fire release

Bethesda won't ruin TES like they did Fallout because it's their beloved franchise

And people are gonna buy the next TES with that weird expectation in mind.

shitty MMO gets made

no new singleplayer release in 14+ years

It ruined TES

Oblivion did more harm to TES than a prequel spinoff that ultimately doesn’t matter

Wonder how much of the ESO lore will leak into the mainline TES like how raw sewage would leak into the water reservoir

no new singleplayer release in 14+ years

Blades, Castles.

FPBP

Most overrated and shilled developer on Anon Babble.
They got 3 chances to prove themselves without Bethesda and they have all been failures, even worse the games get worse each time, so they show zero sign of improvement.

low effort mobile game cash grabs

nice bait

Obsidian really was stupid to bring up "what if" scenarios in a franchise where Daggerfall already had some multiverse stupidity in its ending, only for the god of time to delete it from existence.

Considering how avowed turned out, this was for the best.

New Vegas was greenlit because it's based on the cancelled Fallout 3 so all the narrative material was already there, plus a full decade of revisions so all the writing was done before it was even pitched. Also it was to appease the OG devs and earn Bethesda a nice payout while working on Skyrim, win win. None of the Obsidian devs have worked on an Elder Scrolls title before so it's no wonder Bethesda wouldn't hand over their baby so willingly to people who failed to reach milestones with FNV. It's like Bioware asking From Soft if they could make a Souls game.

Fallout 76 and Starfield were both laughed at by the collective world.

Starfield
-Bethesda's biggest launch ever
-Has had over 16 million players
-Top selling game of Sep 2023
-Top 10 best selling game of 2023
-Third most profitable game on Steam in 2023
-Only new game of 2023 to make it into the top 10 most played games of the year
-Had more play time, and a higher completion rate, then BG3 did by the end of 2023
-Remained on Xbox's mos played games list for over a year after release, not only above Bethesda's other titles, but also competitors like CP2077, and BG3
the only people who "laugh" at starfield are 4chin and Reddit retards constantly going "LE WHAT WENT WRONG!" and "NOW THAT LE DUST HAS SETTLED!" for every game. At worst, most people considered it an OK game.

people to this day discuss New Vegas more than Fallout 3. Cope.
why do you think Bugthesda added Ranger Armor to Fallout 76? And why is the second season of the shitty Amazon show taking place in New Vegas? Even Bugthestard knows people love New Vegas.

To this fucking day I still don't know why Bethesda didn't get the ESO team to make FO76.

b-but it made money!

Still ruined the setting further.

people to this day discuss New Vegas more than Fallout 3. Cope

I never once brought up F3 you delusional NV tranny. Fallout 4 and the amazon show is what people will think when you bring up fallout. Even NV fans don't play it and just rp their own headcanons on twitter

Fair. But let’s not act like Bethesda is out here putting out classics either. They haven’t made anything of actual quality since oblivion. They got lucky with Skyrim because that was zoomers first RPG and they overhyped the fuck out of an extremely average and barebones game. And fallout is going to sell because of the IP regardless. But obsidian also hasn’t been good for a long time either

Not even a good fallout game

I can understand not liking New Vegas. But it's way closer to being Fallout than any of Bethesda's attempts. You can actually go through the base game without killing anyone just like you could in F1 and F2 (kind of lol). F3 and F4 require you to engage in action slop. New Vegas also more fixated on towns and social interactions and characters more than random dungeons. Only zoomers and casuals think Fallout is supposed to be about exploring random buildings and dungeons despite Fallout never being a super dungeon heavy game and New Vegas isn't even big on dungeons at all. You're clearly a brainlet who doesn't know shit about what Fallout is

Doesn't fit the setting

How so? It feels way closer in tone and feel and atmosphere than F3 or F4. That's subjective I suppose. But New Vegas was the last time Fallout actually felt like Fallout.

Or did it bomb because it was literally completely creatively fucking bankrupt and not a single NPC or quest in the game are memorable in any way, shape and form?

Bruh, even Starfield haters have pointed to several quests they found memorable, like the whole galbank ship mission where you have to run out of the exploding ship, or the big space battle between sysDef and the Crimson Fleet, or the clone world quest

Fallout is supposed to be more like Bethesda's games

Spotted the zoomer

Polite reminder that Fallout 3 massively outsold New Vegas.

Fallout 4, whilst selling well, had no staying power and is completely forgotten about.

Fallout 4 is the most played Fallout game to this day, even above NV.

Copium only goes so far.
We are no longer in the days where hype and brand name are enough to sell games. Everything nowadays is streamers and youtubers. People watch and listen and find everything out before touching games, there's no longer that same old 'omg the new x came out everyone's playing it omg' stuff that used to be the case.

GTA is a slightly different case because GTA is normie/kid fueled. Normies and kids don't play ES games.

Doesn't NV have like a shit load of players on steam at several points in time?

the reason i bring up Fallout 3 is because that was Bugthesda's Fallout baby. Fallout New Vegas was a SPIN-OFF.

NV fans don't play it and just rp their own headcanons on twitter

ok schizo

We're starting to see it more and more with games like Cyberpunk or KCD2

Neither of those games are anything like Bethesda games. CP2077 in particular is basically just GTA.

It wasn't a multiverse.
They just all happened at once. There's was no multiverse horseshit in TES until ESO leaked it out of its prolapsed anus.

Check the player charts on steam. F4 is beating NV massively. If NV really was better game and not just massively over hyped by online loosers it would have more players.

yeah because fo4 is a fun game, NV is a good rpg.

i was going write a serious reply to you but then I saw

16 million players

and realized you're just baiting

moving goalposts

You said it was forgotten about.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree, I think TES 6 is gonna be the final nail on the coffin for Bethesda, it'll finally cause anyone who haven't figured it out yet that Bethesda genuinely cannot make good games.
But TES 6 itself is gonna sell well because currently everyone is running on their last reserve of copium with TES.

KCD1 is very very much like Skyrim, and while I havent played the 2nd one I cannot see it any different besides it being more on-rails than 1.

im not the same guy anon.
just calling FO4 a good game apparantly enrages many people on Anon Babble so I like saying it.
I also loved NV and completet DUST and FROST as well.

Coattail riders, their "games" are mods

the game was broken, ridiculed, and has no fanbase, but green number WENT UP!

yeah ok surely after the next update it will actually become popular. It's not like Skyrim has 12 times the players RIGHT NOW.

Sorry, was wrong, its 15 million players
ign.com/articles/starfield-hits-15-million-players-as-patch-adds-achievement-friendly-creations-new-land-vehicle-and-quest-and-more

the game was broken

In fact, it was fairly praised for being a pretty stable game, especially compared to Bethesda's other games.

and has no fanbase

Has enough of a fanbase that its still getting new mods frequently, and mod authors are making pretty good money off of people buying their mods for the game.

All they would have to do is just make Skyrim 2 the desert edition but doubt current Bethesda can even make that

Fallout 3 only has like 200 people in game. Mod support goes a long long way. New Vegas also has crash issues so the fact that it has nearly 2000 players right now with better average reviews than Fallout 4 despite being a spin-off from 2010 is pretty cool. People love New Vegas.

shilling for basedfield

lmao

Tainted Grail is a better elder scrolls-like

CP2077 is basically just GTA

Either didn't play the game or you're being retarded

hurr durr but they both have a city and you drive in them!!

the only way cyberpunk and bethesda games differ is that the cyberpunk protagonist has a background/voice
that is literally fucking it
otherwise, it functions almost exactly like a bethesda game does, minus joinable factions
you go around, do a bunch of questlines for npcs, get loot, build a character within an open world

you're just too stupid to see that the only difference between the open worlds in Cyberpunk and say, Skyrim, is that they look different.

i haven't been on Anon Babble for almost a decade, but when the hell did copies sold become the criteria for if a game is good or not? Back in the olden days, the more normies bought a game, the higher proof it was of its lack of quality.

Most people play FO3 via TTW now.

People love New Vegas.

I am not saying there aren't people who love new vegas. I am saying it's few hundred trannies loving NV versus tens of thousands of people loving F4

You don't even start in a vault,

Gee I guess fallout 2 is also not a fallout game. Fucking retarded zoomer, neck yourself

I can't believe we're still talking about NW, what is this 2014?

2016.

the only way cyberpunk and bethesda games differ is that the cyberpunk protagonist has a background/voice

And the entire immersive "pick up everything, go into every build, everyone has personalized schedules" simulation aspects CP2077 lacks.

you go around, do a bunch of questlines for npcs, get loot, build a character within an open world

90% of RPGs

redditniggers flooded the board a long time ago

Since India was allowed to post on the internet.

realize that the people using that logic are defending starfield and fallout 4
and there's your answer
it's doubly retarded since starfield was on gamepass and only a legitimate mouthbreather would believe it had anywhere near 15m players.

the world of Fallout consists of Vault dwellers and the colour green

Todd?

They didn't want the Elder Scrolls audience trooning out and 41ing themselves before the next game

pick up everything

functionally adds nothing to the game

go into every building

I'll give you this one

everyone has personalized schedules

functionally indifferent from you going inside a club in cyberpunk and there being people inside it doing different things
if the people in skyrim or whatever actually DID things during their schedules, then maybe we could talk, but no, they're just going around and playing animations

So no, the differences you're quoting are basically mild immersion elements. The game, mechanically, is designed and functions virtually the same as a Bethesda game.

it's few hundred trannies loving NV versus tens of thousands of people loving F4

lol come on now Fallout 4 is no Skyrim in terms of player count. Skyrim has an absolutely autistic fanbase of modders, Fallout 4 tries to get to those numbers. Fallout New Vegas' fanbase is firm. Fallout 3 is the game with only a few hundred players.

Skyrim

I don't get how people like skyrim. Sure mods and meme potential, great marketing campaign whatnot but the game itself is boring and repetitive and I couldn't ever for the life of me bring myself to finish it. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I've grown to hate the "pick up everything" meme anyway.
What it amounts to, is you never know which loot is worth picking up, and then game has to add a bunch of crafting mechanics, just to justify all of the shit strewn around.

They wouldn't be able to do it anyway. Obsidian themselves gave up on making their own Elder Scrolls and just released Outer Worlds with Swords instead.

functionally adds nothing to the game

Many people disagree. It adds a sense of tactile immersion in the game world other games don't have because they lack this feature. In fact, the ability to pick up most everything is often cited as one of THE defining elements of the franchise.

functionally indifferent from you going inside a club in cyberpunk and there being people inside it doing different things

This is just horseshit. It becomes immediately ntoiceable when you actually try to follow people throughout the day, and see they actually do things, whereas in CP2077 they largely just stand around in one area all day. It, again, adds to the immersive quality of Bethesda games,

So no, the differences you're quoting are basically mild immersion elements. The game, mechanically, is designed and functions virtually the same as a Bethesda game.

So no, it seems like you're just ignoring massive parts of why people like Bethesda games, and find them unqiue, to try to compare it to CP2077 on such a simple, and basic, level that one could classify most RPGs as being Bethesda like using your standards.

Skyrim was the normie entry point to the franchise, everything that got stripped down which the fans hated attracted the normie crowd who likes oversimplified games.

Bait used to be believable.

You mean like the LoZ timeline set up?

Thank GOD the one decision I can agree with Beth on

They could easily do it with Betehsda's engine and tools. The issue there is Unreal.

everyone has said for years that New Vegas was better than 3 and anyone who was around at the time remembers how much better Vegas was than 3

lmao you might be right if you were talking about literally any other developer but Todd is so involved in his company that Starfield was considered his magnum opus

Good morning sir

Todd does a nice thing and let's failing studio Obsidian create a game using their engine and assets out of respect for the original devs

They release a buggy mess that gets critically panned

Immediately start demanding access to the rest of your IP, and after you tell them no, deliberately try to present themselves as a direct competitor to your products

What a bunch of faggots. I'm glad Todd didn't let it get to him

it's a feature that was very much just added in oblivion (did F3 come out first?) purely as a TECHNOLOGY thing since softbody physics were they hip thing at the time, but Bethesda never really justified it's implementation
it would be fun if the environments were destructible in any way, but they're not, at all, it's one of the most static games I've seen
or if you have to move the objects around to do things like when cooking or crafting, like Arx Fatalis, where you have to physically put things near a fire to cook them, etc, but it doesn't do that either.

It's a shitty gimmick that Bethesda put in to wow morons and never bothered to actually think about.

Hopefully the paki-india war will cull some of the Saarfield posters.

Thank you review bot

Your time is unneeded now, the game has been out for twenty years

sense of immersion

i can lift this fork but I cant even nudge this tiny wooden chair

if anything, it does the opposite

the ability to pick up most everything is often cited as one of THE defining elements of the franchise

oh... you're just retarded. i'm sorry

Yeah but the point was those posters were talking about how obviously Todd Howard has moved on and how he barely even thinks about how New Vegas BTFO FO3 and 4, but that is clearly not true because nobody can even talk about the last 3 fallout games without the air of vegas outshining the other two

FPBP
The only reason people "liked" NV was specifically out of spite. Todd's not going to give their IPs to incompetent developers because of petty artificial praise.

Bethfags are trans. What else is new

The Zelda timeline wasn't originally set up with that in mind, that was Aonuma's doing so he could fit his baby Wind Waker into the series.

NV fags are the trannies, hence NV.

i was going to post this
the shitty physics meme always just pissed me off because YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY INTERACT WITH THE THINGS THAT YOU'D WANT TO
i fireball a fucking room and a million plates go flying but the tables don't even move, let alone break
it looks so fucking stupid
and that's not even going into npcs sitting down and bumping the cutlery and sending it flying
and then proceeding to eat nothing out of the air

it's such a dogshit meme and it pisses me off to think of the average normie sitting there clapping like a seal and drooling all over themselves picking up a dead body and bending it over a counter

I am trans, hence the surgery.

I'm happy for you sister.

Yeah, I was just thinking if you could do things like stack up items and set fire to them, or pick up a piece of junk and club an enemy with it, it might be a cool idea. You really get none of that though. Bethesda's engine is way too clunky.

It's fun once for a few minutes and that's it, it's fun tech but I wouldn't call it a hallmark of the series. Definitely something I expect when I play the games now, though.

it was most fun in the oblivion dupe cheat when you could fill a room with watermelons or something stupid and have them pour out like water, and second most fun in putting a bucket on someone's head so they can't see you

but the sales improve so they can't be blamed

Astroturfed BETHESDA HATES NV shit still existing is so embarassing
F4 utilises a ton of things it introduced, Bethesda sells merch of it, their employees praise it, the new season of the TV show is set there
How the fuck are there still "people" beating the corpse of this horse which has been deceased for a decade

FPBP

they were irrelevant to the game as you said but I had fun with the physics for hours when I first played oblivion.
I still remember "planters" particularly, they had bugged physics and would never stop spinning, great stuff

You are confused. Obsidian troons aren't human.

Fallout 3 Remaster was supposed to come out years ago.

Fallout 4, whilst selling well, had no staying power and is completely forgotten

Normalfags and streamers (Sub-humans) love Fallout 4, what are you talking about?

i don't think it'll bomb but it will definitely underperform if people figure out it's weak unimaginative slop compared to other games coming out at that time

Bethesda games would be better if they were mediocre movie-games with a lot less customization and player freedom

failed game devs trying to leach off better game devs

lol go shit out your outer worlds game pass slop and pretend you arent a fucking failure

Reminder that rhe horizon series world was written by the same man who wrote New Vegas

ESO is not canon

Obsidian is in far greater danger of being closed than Bethesda. Although both are gonna be axed anyway once Microsoft euthanizes the Xbox division.

The Oblivion Remaster got leaked during the FTC lawsuit against Microsoft. It was supposed to come out several years ago.

delusional

TES 6 releasing is a win/win.
If it's at least as good as Skyrim, then most people will be happy. But most likely, it will bomb. This is good. It means everyone is going to lose faith in Bethesda, and they will either have to make a good game, or go bankrupt and allow someone else to fill their spot.

Veilguard was supposed to be a Soulslike at some point in development.

vocaroo.com/1dz8x8VmZlVE

when was the last time you saw ANYONE talk about Fallout 4?
new vegas still gets discussion to this day, and I'm not talking about just Anon Babble

Thank fucking God they refused
We all know how shit Obsidian would have been at making a tes game

KCD1 is very very much like Skyrim

i like how you guys all act like obsidian from like 15yrs ago has anything to do with the fags they got working there now

Success of Oblivion remaster proves what many of us TES fans said when skyrim launched, that Skyrim had less depth in all categories and was objectively inferior to Oblivion.

avowed was great though

How the fuck are there still "people" beating the corpse of this horse which has been deceased for a decade

Same reason people are still beating the

Emil said KISS! which means never write any complexp lots!

Emil said paper airplanes! This is him saying never write complex stories!

Emil said no design docs!

Despite none of these things being accurate. Its much easier to lie, and keep lying, and attacking the lie, then being honest.

They're a garbage megapublisher and their internal development has shit office politics.
Anyone working with them after the mid-2000s was targeted for aggressive hostile takeovers and exploitation, usually by simply preventing them from making an income and not paying them for the work that they were doing.
Good publishers are outliers and practically non-existent in the publicly traded sector.
After the end of 2011 there was a decoupling of the success of a game with its audience and the success of the publisher. After 2012 it became all about bamboozling the shareholders and other paypiggies with imaginary shit like metacritic scores, sales, etc..

But most likely, it will bomb.

The chance of TES 6 bombing is basically zero.

The world is super comfy and you never know when a dragon is gonna attack you. The player freedom means that encounters can transpire in many different ways.

To be fair, Obsidian would've expected to have Bethesda's engine and assets to work with instead of needing to develop their own.

It makes the games way more immersive even if there aren't that many practical uses.

I should specify that I meant bomb in the quality sense. It may be successful, but if everybody who buys it thinks it's hot dogshit, they won't be buying the next Elder Scrolls game.

when was the last time you saw ANYONE talk about Fallout 4?

When the show cane out?

Yes because everything prior to Bethesda was 100% lore accurate. Even vaults as social experiments is a later addition.

Personally, Skyrim came out when I was 14 and I played when I was 18 and never ventured beyond the usual AAA market of GTAs, Call of Duty and western action adventures.

When I played it, the massive world space and detailed areas were all incredible, I never seen a game where I could pick up a sword and throw away at someone, besides that, the factions also complemented the immersion, my first character was a sword and shield basic ass Imperial, so naturally I joined the Companions, and then another completely different storyline started, it wasn't like this game world was about my main quest, it was place where other stuff happened where I could either be there to witness or not, and that was confirmed when the Brynwolf tried to recruit me to the thieves guild and I chose not to, because I'm not thief, I was roleplaying. Then I wanted to find out what these divines were and what the history of this land was, I found the lore and that's a rabbithole of its own.

Say what you will, but Skyrim and early Bethesda games had a way to pull you in their world that few devs could achieve.

These days I played almost everything from almost every genre, and many of them do Skyrim's things better than Skyrim, but it does have its qualities. I tried replaying it and it was boring as shit because there was nothing new to discover and the gameplay mechanics are shallow, but that first playthrough was very immersive and there was a whole world to discover.

If TES 6 manages to actually have gameplay depth, which I doubt it will, along with good writing, which I'm sure it won't have, it could be goat material, but Bethesda is too lazy, I bet their skill trees will still be about percentage increases and their combat will still be floaty garbage.

and yes, I played Morrowind later and it's much better in what Skyrim succeeds at, but it was far less approachable

but if everybody who buys it thinks it's hot dogshit, they won't be buying the next Elder Scrolls game.

Looks at CoD

Looks at Madden

Looks at Battlefield

Looks at Assassins Creed

Looks at basically every long running game franchise

History disagrees.

Obshidian Elder Scrolls

What, they wanted to dump philosophical bullshits on a fantasy game?

when was the last time you saw ANYONE talk about Fallout 4?

Lmao, FO:4 has the most active players

FO:Tactics lore was kino.

"hey guys its us obsidian, the developer behind FALLOUT NEW VEGAS, and heres trailer for our game outer worlds!"

"hey guys its us obsidian, the developer behind FALLOUT NEW VEGAS, and heres trailer for our game avowed!"

"hey guys is us obsidian, the developer behind FALLOUT NEW VEGAS, and heres trailer for our game pillars of eternity!"

So according to you, the Oblivion remaster succeeding proves Starfield was good, actually, since if it was bad no-one would've bought Bethesda's next game. Interesting.

Reminder

The Anon Babble one is funny

TESO is the problem, you don't want whales moving out

Starfield was not an established IP, nor was it a sequel. Normalfags will just assume it was a failed IP, not a failed company.

Look, these games trade on brand recognition among normalfags. Theyll just see "the new Skyrim", and, as long as it isn't an unplayable mess and hits all the major AAA slop beats, it will be hailed as the game of the century irrespective of actual quality.
We've seen this happen all the time with lesser franchises.

Anon Babble has more normalfags and tourists than actual Anon Babbleirgins now

Game developers and managers just like in any software company are constantly worried about job security so seeing another company come in, do their job and maybe even better scares them so they do everything in their power to avoid that. This was just politics. The first Destiny game's last expansion was made at the last second by some random inner team at Bungie who doesn't work on new content and it ended up being the best expansion they had and the main staff were so petty that they did everything in their power to try not to reference it.

Unironically trying to own someone by posting a wiki

Lol, lmao even

FPBP
and fuck troonsidian and their cronies
seeing the stuff they made themselves is enough evidence for me that Todd was right to reject them
both Outer Wilds and Avowed sucked gigantic cocks

Todd is obviously butthurt about NV being a better fallout game than Fallout 3 (And 4)

"players"

Load it up on gamepass for free, play for a couple hours, find out how boring it is and never touch it again.

Games selling more copies means its better

Retard

F4 is newer and more stable to run with modern OS's
I played through F4 once and never felt like playing it again. I've played through NV at least 4 times.

more play time, and a higher completion rate, then BG3 by the end of 2023

Made it into the top 10 most played games of 2023

Remained on Xbox's most played game for over a year, above Bethesda's other games, and BG3, and CP2077

People just play a couple hours then quit, and never touch it again

dont care if it makes you mad. its skyrim with cutscenes and more fall damage.

finally somebody said it AND it the first post

Yes, it was a big highly anticipated release and was available for basically free on gamepass.

xbox's most played game for a year

Well yeah, xbox has no games.

They do now. But didn't when they made NV and The Stick of Truth.

Stick of Truth, as a game, was garbage. The only good part was the writing, which was mainly because an actual South Park author did most of the writing.

Doesn't fit the fallout setting

is closer to the original games

What did this retarded faggot zoomer mean by this?

Everyone except for paying customers, lmao.

Lol, the proportions of that guy on the right. What retard drew that?

Agreed. They shoul say instead:

hey guys its us obsidian, the developer behind TYRANNY, and heres trailer for our game outer worlds

Oblivion was a well loved game already. Also, tons of zoomers who only played Skyrim wanted some new Elder Scrolls to play and weren't willing to play a game with graphics from 2006.

The developer behind TRANNY

they don't make bait like this any more
exquisite

AAHHHHH WHY DIDN'T BETHESDA THROW MONEY AT THE PEOPLE KNOWN FOR NOT FINISHING THEIR GAMES SAVE ME FEARGUS

maybe if I associate thing I want gamers to not like with things my data says they don't like, they won't like it

im trans btw idk if it matters

petty retards

These are the very same people who smeared Mick Gordon’s name and refused to give him credit for his work lol, they are dirty petty

And in that 18 month span they made an "unfinished" game that is much better than what bethesda shat out with FO3

FPNBP
Suck my dick you but hurt bethesda drones

It sucks now, but had they gotten those deals right after FNV they could've kept their shit together longer and Bethesda wouldn't have gone 5-10 years without new entries into their series.

So that's why thousands of Fallout Fans (In particular the New Vegas die-hards) celebrate Fallout Day in Goodsprings every year?

Try better bait.

Avellone says Todd was always in Obsidian's corner, it was the higher-ups at Zenimax who didn't like them.

based
this game was too good for slav cock slurping grognards

And bethesda is any better?

Obsidian aren't very good
I wouldn't give them my series either

Obsidian was fine with people like avellone but even he left because the management was trying to engage in a sexual affair with him

The redpill is all these companies are run by fat incompetent millennials and gen x with the maturity of a child who lost their cool 25 years ago but have a death grip on the major positions in these companies

Source: It was revealed to me in a dream.

skyrim with cutscenes

That alone makes it exponentially worse.

Kinda proving his point there sister.

The popularity and success of New Vegas likely made Bethesda antsy

It would check out, developers are less likely to be people who get upset when someone beats them at their own game.. management types on the other hand..

Trvke, but they can make something much more interesting with Bethesda's IPs than Todd ever could, which is not saying much, given this board's interpretation of Morrowind is better than everything TESO introduced

Jewish hands wrote that post.

Honestly I love Fallout New Vegas, one of the few games I can basically remember every single detail about it even years since I last played it. Getting a take on TES from the Fallout NV devs would be great but I'd be concerned since Obsidian put out a lot of duds here like The Outer Worlds. I really don't know how it turned out. But I mean, Bethesda has been putting out some more sloptastic games as of late so IDK how that would turn out. I'm not really thrilled about TES6 honestly after 76 and Starfield. Oblivion remaster is a nice touch I guess but it's old content with a fresh coat of paint and some censorship here and there.

I mean, did any of you play obsidian games outside of NV? try pillars of eternity and learn what boredom is

Pillars is a pretty good game.

But it's way closer to being Fallout than any of Bethesda's attempts.

Considering the original fallout is a literal failed IP that's a bad thing.

Though New Vegas had some good quests it was a terrible setting

they can make something much more interesting with Bethesda's IPs

Avellone could. I think the only good obsidian games are the ones he is a part of.

could you post it?

Yeah. Obisidian that made FNV, KotOR2 and Alpha Protocol no longer exist.

considering Fallout 1 and 2 were financially successful and have become iconic due to how beloved they were, i think you're an idiot

The brown retarded normalfaggots that have flooded this board probably don't even realize franchises like CoD and Halo got shit on regularly

Why do these retards thinks they are entitled to Todd's beautiful creation engine. One time he permitted Obsifags to make game and their mentally ill fans shitting up Fallout and TES discussion ever since

Heh NV fans don't make the game their entire personality that's why we dress up as NV characters and go to Goodsprings to larp every year

You sure showed him anon

So financially successful that they sold the IP and Black Isle Studios got shut down

how much of a miserable fuck you must be to write something like this

Hit a nerve huh? Don't let me take your enjoyment away anon. Go larp with your sisters if that makes you happy.

My nigga

Yeah, but they used to be pretty good.

because of petty artificial praise.

New Vegas sold almost as much as Fallout 3 did with a fraction of the budget.

Good thing that Todd's output has been so stellar since then.

fippybippy, avellone too, he's made vastly more shit than gold

okay now that our poor selling game that didn't reach our contract agreed metacritic score isn't doing well we have a list of demands...

what the fuck is wrong with bethesda?

laughed at

And were somehow both extremely successful

Fallout 76 and Starfield were "laughed at by the collective world" and were both massive financial successes without being a mainline Fallout game or even better an Elder Scrolls game.

when the hell did copies sold become the criteria for if a game is good or not?

At the end of the day people are spending money on it.

Fallout game ever made

not exactly a high bar

cool your mutie hate.

If everyone on this shithole was asked what the criteria for a game being good or not there's zero chance a good game has ever been made.

Wow what original and philosophically hard-hitting subjects would Avellone and Obsidian do to turn TES on its head, would it possibly be... the Nine Divines are... le bad!??!

Zoomers have no incentive to think on their own.
If the "cool" thing to do was to slurp diarrhea straight from the ass of a pajeet they will unironically do it.

some bullshit about a super sekrit special princess daedric prince

multiverse shit

I liked 3 more than NV.

Black Isle got shut down because Interplay taken over by a bunch of French retards.
They threw everything away to get the license for Universal Movies tie in games.

today we le raid Anon Babble xisters get leady with your ai responses

Forgot to mention is was unplayable at release and they had to spend months fixing it. Not to "make it good", mind you, just to make it minimally playable.
They were handed everything. The engine, all the assets, the tools, everything. And then not only did they barely made an unfinished mod but they also fucked up the whole thing so it's so unstable you can't play it without crashing every 10 minutes. Consoles have all the same well known hardware and they managed to make it unstable on even that.

Fallout 3 / 4 babby zoomer spotted hahahhahaha

Fallout 1 and 2 literally started in the barren desert you fucking dumbfuck. South California (Los Angeles and the New California) and Northern California (San Francisco, Navarro) . Mojave in New Vegas is Southeastern California.

Why is it always the fucking Skyrim kiddies that never played the rest of the franchise that likes to talk big without actually knowing a single lore about the game, let alone the franchise? You know jack shit about the franchise. Shut the fuck up.

This happened with GTAV, Witcher 3, CP2077 and even Elden Ring. It's always the fucking normie newbies coming into the fandom and shitting up the place and the world, spreading their skewed unfounded opinions, when they've never touch anything else from that franchise to know enough.

b-but Skyrim is baest! Everyting else sucks! Donte is guud at gaem!

didn't read the books or terminals btw lol

bro thinks that owning the IP of a good game secures your studio's existence forever

Black Isle got shut down because Interplay taken over by a bunch of French retards.

Black Isle was shut down because their massive financial mismanagement. It didn't change when they became Obsidian either. It's why Avellone left.

rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-interview-chris-avellone-on-pillars-cut-content-game-development-hierarchies-and-more.121588/page-67#post-5594637

rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-interview-chris-avellone-on-pillars-cut-content-game-development-hierarchies-and-more.121588/page-8#post-5590121

being fair that was an obsidian without any of the old talent working on it
Before.

and after

New Vegas isn't better than Fo3 (let alone 4 lmao) no amount of youtube shilling will change that.

They sure have for the past 15 years. Anyone trying to deny that is living in Lalaland

Why would you work with someone who tried to sue you mid development and then tried to sue for the Fallout IP after you bought it?

Says a lot that the Lead Writer and Game Director hate NV fanboys

It wasn't really Black Isles fault, they put so much into Icewind Dale 2 and it just got completely buried by Morrowind

Even back then, Bethesda was accidently shitting on them

Obsidian was fine with people like avellone

It wasn't
People fucking absolutelly roasted obsidian during their kotor2, dungeon siege, nwn2 years. They only got popular around NV thanks to streamer culture becoming a thing, same reason why most of indie garbage that no one wants to play, like valheim had massive boosts

The third and fourth game are objectively awful garbage than only idiots can enjoy. They're simply far, far inferior to nv, and you've have to be a retard or trolling to say otherwise.

I honestly don't think an obsidian TES game would work. The whole deal with TES games is that they're simple as fuck in their actual mechanics, you just play them for the vibe.

inb4 someone actually tries to convince daggerfall or morrowind were complex

hello Flimp

Obsitrannies are still seething over >pic

TES VI will be so good

BASED ABOVE AND BEYOND THE FABRIC OF REALITY
Trannysidian fans go ack themselves in cope
Imagine elder scrolls but trannies
Imagine more fallout troonslop
God we are so fortunate... Thank you Jesus!

It wouldn't have changed at thing. It would've turned out to be the exact same troonslop that it is today.

Yeah. FNV was a flash in a pan moment that they could never match up to.

It'd be a TES game with writing that isn't completely dumb, which they haven't had since Morrowind, and player choice in the narrative, which they've barely had.

TES game with writing that isn't completely dumb

They already tried to do that with Avowed ("Obsidian's Skyrim" was the original idea, just like Outer Worlds' "Obsidian's Fallout"), and in one of those PCGamer interviews they admitted that their narrative style doesn't work in TES games.

Delusional zoomie, KOTOR2 and NWN2 were always considered WRPG classics

They couldn't make an open world game with Unreal, that was the problem. Nothing to do with decent writing with player choice in an open world game because that's Fallout New Vegas.

oh boy, the trannies infesting Anon Babble did not like this

Certified Aryan post

Todd knows all about not diluting the brand so every release becomes a massive event. Look at this shitty Oblivion remaster, a huge success simply because there hasn't been any TES release in like 15 years and people are craving it. If you released some spin off every 2 years the impact wouldn't be the same.

I think the only good obsidian games are the ones he is a part of.

He helped make Avowed

It's not about the engine, it's really just about the story.

Everyone in the replies agrees with him though

more stable to run with modern OS's

I've heard of so many people having to install the same loading screen fix mod or else it would take 30 minutes for the game to load at every loading screen

That's a writer who is lying about the actual reasons. Because New Vegas did exactly this to much acclaim. They spent years trying to do an open world Avowed before they replaced all the leadership and started over. They wouldn't have thrown away all that work if the problem was just "the story isn't particularly good" especially considering that the game that shipped didn't have a story that was particularly good either.

So no budget? No wait, a fraction of no budget.